> don't attack cities > Attack if you have an advanatage of men, don't if you do not > Bluff. A lot.
Whew, groundbreaking stuff. Still better than the Book of Five Rings because at least he didn't write literal grunts to indicate rapidity of attack.
Because over 6000 NATO soldiers were killed in missile strike yesterday in Donbass oblast of Russia. Looks like they need training of war so they can perform up to the standards of Russia, kek..
Funny enough I think he died attacking a city because while he said it will be a disaster you sometimes have to go for the cities. He's good for asymmetrical warfare such as when you are a rebel but the big boys have less to gain from him.
This. Most of his rules are extremely obvious shit that somehow manages to astound brain dead morons. Wow it's good to keep our enemies unaware of our capabilities? Truly only an enlightened being could think of this.
This. Most of his rules are extremely obvious shit that somehow manages to astound brain dead morons. Wow it's good to keep our enemies unaware of our capabilities? Truly only an enlightened being could think of this.
>5k years of warfare and he hasn't been disproven wrong.
Thats because he is writing about BASIC STUFF! >if you are weak, DONT ATTACK! >if you are strong, ATTACK! >if you are weak but cant run away from fight OUTSMART YOUR OPPONENT XD!
He literally doesnt have any actual combat tips like flanking, terrain advantage, how to properly siege.
The book is garbage.
Not even trolling
Because he only mentioned the most obvious things.It has never actually helped anyone in warfare either since anyone above 60 IQ can figure out all of it in a few minutes.
I never understood why art of war gets hyped so much, especially considering its historical context and purpose which completely undermine its value for any career soldier
There's a popular theory that Art of War is basically, and unironically, the ancient chinese equivalent of a pamphlet labeled "War for dummies" that was meant for bureaucrats and politicians to read as a basic primer of what their generals were doing and why so as not to get in their way.
His book is literally Warfare For Dummies. It was written specifically to try and get the goddamn aristocracy to stop getting all their men killed doing moronic shit, because they really liked going to war and taking personal command of their campaigns while having absolutely zero education on the matter. They would frequently forget to even supply their troops with enough food to make it through the projected length of the operation, let alone however long it'd be once they were inevitably delayed.
The fake steel tests thing was nowhere near as bad as you might think though.
tl:dr - Metallurgist woman receives orders from Navy to test the steel being used in subs in -100 degree temperatures. Metallurgist decides that these temperatures do not occur anywhere on Earth anyway and rubber stamps that shit because the Navy brass is moronic. 30 years go by without any problems. Her successor is being trained to replace her and noticed the tests are being faked. Rats her out, she does 2.5 years in prison.
Let's see how well Russian followed the art of war then >War is a grave afair of state >It is a place of life and death, a road to survival and extinction >A matter to be pondered carefully
I think they fricked up on the very first passage.
I won't recite everything but >Heaven is ying and yang >Cold and hot >The cycle of the seasons
Let's see how they did >Invades in the worst of the bring mud and long cold nights on Feb 22
Notice how it's titled The Art of War, not The Rules of War, because war is too complex to be algorithmic. This is to say, he was always right but it doesn't mean his book can accurately predict the winner in every possible war ever. I don't even understand what else you could mean by that post, my petit homosexual.
>This is to say, he was always right but it doesn't mean his book can accurately predict the winner
Or to phrase it in Tzu: >>This is to say, he was always right but it doesn't mean he was always right >you know the number of your enemy by counting tge campfires at night and dividing by 11 over 3.
Because his books are more about how any commander should manage his troops and how to decide when to attack, ideally if you followed it you used to win most of the time.
What are we even arguing about? That only using The Art of War you can predict the victorious faction in any war ever? It's about field commander tactics, not about what a general or admiral should/could do. I don't get what your point is, nobody ever said Sun Tzu was wrong. Your whole OP is a lie and probably bait.
That's just wrong though. It's aimed towards kings and generals as well, for example he talks about the ways a ruler can hinder his army by political meddling
it would be better to compare say the ancient franks to modern france, for ancient china was smaller than modern china and is now composed of more ethnic groups than it once was.
>5k years of warfare and he hasn't been disproven wrong.
Thats because he is writing about BASIC STUFF! >if you are weak, DONT ATTACK! >if you are strong, ATTACK! >if you are weak but cant run away from fight OUTSMART YOUR OPPONENT XD!
He literally doesnt have any actual combat tips like flanking, terrain advantage, how to properly siege.
The book is garbage.
Not even trolling
Absolutely trolling, he has an entire chapter dedicated to talking about terrain.
More than that, there is a philosophical core to the book that seems obvious but is often forgotten:
Find the goal of the war and the quickest, most efficient way to achieve it.
Don't spend years to besiege cities when you can crush an army in the field
Don't fight at all when threatening or bluffing will work better
Don't let pride, politics or personal ambition interfere with military matters
Etc
Because he only mentioned the most obvious things.It has never actually helped anyone in warfare either since anyone above 60 IQ can figure out all of it in a few minutes.
I never understood why art of war gets hyped so much, especially considering its historical context and purpose which completely undermine its value for any career soldier
>dude, book it's obvious to anyone after 5k years of it being written
funny how this slav shitfest proves the book is still needed.
I never understood why art of war gets hyped so much, especially considering its historical context and purpose which completely undermine its value for any career soldier
same reason meditations gets hyped. it's short so every moronic baby reads it, is mostly common sense so every moronic baby affirms it, and all moronic babies want to feel wise for reading ancient wisdom.
It's funny how much that book gets shit on as if it wasn't novel for its time. morons act like it came out yesterday with their "no shit you shouldn't do that". People made obvious mistakes in war countless times in history and will continue to do so in the future.
They weren't fat. You are fat. They killed men at arm's length, in battles of unimaginable savagery. You go to the wine bar. They were men. You are gay.
How people respond to Sun Tzu is the ultimate shit test. Everybody think they're too smart for it, yet history is littered with corpses who found out in their final moments that they were in fact not smart enough. Because reading it and deeming it obvious is not the same as internalizing and acting upon it.
Chopping off heads will always work, in the age of swords, in the age of spaceships.
For me, it's the anime/manga version.
> don't attack cities
> Attack if you have an advanatage of men, don't if you do not
> Bluff. A lot.
Whew, groundbreaking stuff. Still better than the Book of Five Rings because at least he didn't write literal grunts to indicate rapidity of attack.
funny because his book would be useful right now to NATO, lmao.
elaborate
Because over 6000 NATO soldiers were killed in missile strike yesterday in Donbass oblast of Russia. Looks like they need training of war so they can perform up to the standards of Russia, kek..
i literally cant tell wether posts like this are genuine or parody anymore.
If you deny reality it will not bring your soldiers back troony
we are growing more soldiers in biolab vats right now sweetie
The Book fo Five Rings is directed more to the individual fighter. Micro isn't macro.
Funny enough I think he died attacking a city because while he said it will be a disaster you sometimes have to go for the cities. He's good for asymmetrical warfare such as when you are a rebel but the big boys have less to gain from him.
This. Most of his rules are extremely obvious shit that somehow manages to astound brain dead morons. Wow it's good to keep our enemies unaware of our capabilities? Truly only an enlightened being could think of this.
There's a popular theory that Art of War is basically, and unironically, the ancient chinese equivalent of a pamphlet labeled "War for dummies" that was meant for bureaucrats and politicians to read as a basic primer of what their generals were doing and why so as not to get in their way.
>don't be an idiot
Is a pretty good doctrine.
His book is literally Warfare For Dummies. It was written specifically to try and get the goddamn aristocracy to stop getting all their men killed doing moronic shit, because they really liked going to war and taking personal command of their campaigns while having absolutely zero education on the matter. They would frequently forget to even supply their troops with enough food to make it through the projected length of the operation, let alone however long it'd be once they were inevitably delayed.
>be marvelous 600 pound creation
>no tendies
>know thyself
>implying Amerimutts arent doing much better keeping everyone up to the highest ranks ignorant about themself
The fake steel tests thing was nowhere near as bad as you might think though.
tl:dr - Metallurgist woman receives orders from Navy to test the steel being used in subs in -100 degree temperatures. Metallurgist decides that these temperatures do not occur anywhere on Earth anyway and rubber stamps that shit because the Navy brass is moronic. 30 years go by without any problems. Her successor is being trained to replace her and noticed the tests are being faked. Rats her out, she does 2.5 years in prison.
But they weren't planning to only use the subs on earth anon...
There goes the Europa campaign.
>successor is being trained to replace her and noticed the tests are being faked. Rats her out
Good. b***hes be lyin' hoes.
Clearly the tests don’t matter as the subs have operated with anyone issues for almost 30 years.
moron, it's the principle of the matter. Do your job properly.
Let's see how well Russian followed the art of war then
>War is a grave afair of state
>It is a place of life and death, a road to survival and extinction
>A matter to be pondered carefully
I think they fricked up on the very first passage.
I won't recite everything but
>Heaven is ying and yang
>Cold and hot
>The cycle of the seasons
Let's see how they did
>Invades in the worst of the bring mud and long cold nights on Feb 22
reddit gold for you sir.
>don't fight inna river
Yeah, real genius shit, we.
Notice how it's titled The Art of War, not The Rules of War, because war is too complex to be algorithmic. This is to say, he was always right but it doesn't mean his book can accurately predict the winner in every possible war ever. I don't even understand what else you could mean by that post, my petit homosexual.
>This is to say, he was always right but it doesn't mean his book can accurately predict the winner
Or to phrase it in Tzu:
>>This is to say, he was always right but it doesn't mean he was always right
>you know the number of your enemy by counting tge campfires at night and dividing by 11 over 3.
Because his books are more about how any commander should manage his troops and how to decide when to attack, ideally if you followed it you used to win most of the time.
What are we even arguing about? That only using The Art of War you can predict the victorious faction in any war ever? It's about field commander tactics, not about what a general or admiral should/could do. I don't get what your point is, nobody ever said Sun Tzu was wrong. Your whole OP is a lie and probably bait.
That's just wrong though. It's aimed towards kings and generals as well, for example he talks about the ways a ruler can hinder his army by political meddling
The he was right. Now that we all agree, what's next?
Why read when you can listen to the audio book?
Back when China actually was based. The Han dynasty was a mistake.
ancient china:modern china
roman empire:romania
it would be better to compare say the ancient franks to modern france, for ancient china was smaller than modern china and is now composed of more ethnic groups than it once was.
>5k years of warfare and he hasn't been disproven wrong.
Thats because he is writing about BASIC STUFF!
>if you are weak, DONT ATTACK!
>if you are strong, ATTACK!
>if you are weak but cant run away from fight OUTSMART YOUR OPPONENT XD!
He literally doesnt have any actual combat tips like flanking, terrain advantage, how to properly siege.
The book is garbage.
Not even trolling
Absolutely trolling, he has an entire chapter dedicated to talking about terrain.
More than that, there is a philosophical core to the book that seems obvious but is often forgotten:
Find the goal of the war and the quickest, most efficient way to achieve it.
Don't spend years to besiege cities when you can crush an army in the field
Don't fight at all when threatening or bluffing will work better
Don't let pride, politics or personal ambition interfere with military matters
Etc
the entire book is the length of a chapter. what are you on about
Because he only mentioned the most obvious things.It has never actually helped anyone in warfare either since anyone above 60 IQ can figure out all of it in a few minutes.
>dude, book it's obvious to anyone after 5k years of it being written
funny how this slav shitfest proves the book is still needed.
you don't know a single fact about the war that's going on right now.
another polturd cope.
I only need to see slavs being Black folk and doing slav Black person shit.
cope.
not a lot of facts I'm seeing, just baseless things you could say about any war + slav.
polturd cope.
I never understood why art of war gets hyped so much, especially considering its historical context and purpose which completely undermine its value for any career soldier
same reason meditations gets hyped. it's short so every moronic baby reads it, is mostly common sense so every moronic baby affirms it, and all moronic babies want to feel wise for reading ancient wisdom.
It's funny how much that book gets shit on as if it wasn't novel for its time. morons act like it came out yesterday with their "no shit you shouldn't do that". People made obvious mistakes in war countless times in history and will continue to do so in the future.
>disproven wrong.
Did you mean to say this?
Or are you moronic?
when you write vague shit it's hard to disprove it
Oh look another fat moron I’m supposed to worship
They weren't fat. You are fat. They killed men at arm's length, in battles of unimaginable savagery. You go to the wine bar. They were men. You are gay.
>t. Fat chink
dont all you morons have corona right now
Wtf is a wine bar you mental and physical midget
unironically an ESL, assuming they didn't just use google translate kek.
Only amerihomosexuals find wine bars gay
“My dad really knows his war stuff”
-Son Tzu
He’s never been wrong
>If you want to win you must not lose
whatever
How people respond to Sun Tzu is the ultimate shit test. Everybody think they're too smart for it, yet history is littered with corpses who found out in their final moments that they were in fact not smart enough. Because reading it and deeming it obvious is not the same as internalizing and acting upon it.