5.7 is superior to 4.6 but the gemans wiener blocked it from supplanting 9mm
The MP7 is superior to the P90 according to SOF(traditional ergonomics)
So why not make a MP7 in 5.7?
5.7 is superior to 4.6 but the gemans cock blocked it from supplanting 9mm
>So why not make a MP7 in 5.7?
HK
petty on their part
yeah
>So why not make a MP7 in 5.7?
That's what PSA is doing
God I hope the final version looks better lol
Like all the proportions are a little bit off and the whole thing is too small compared to an MP7, like the whole gun almost looks like it's at 80% scale vs the real thing
Also
>$1000 msrp
>supposed to come out at some point in "early 2025"
I just hope the 40rd Rock mags make it to market before then, because I want them for my Ruger LC Charger
Early prototype always look like low poly models.
Yeah for sure which is why I opened with hoping the final version looks better. I understand that they basically 3d printed a chassis for the Rock
I'm concerned that they aren't going to fix the proportions of the gun, though. It's just noticeably smaller than an actual MP7 is, and anyone who's had hands on one (for most people, myself included, this usually means a rental range), it's surprising how big the thing is when you first pick one up. With the stock kicked the whole way out it's just a bit smaller than a mk18. Their plan for the pic rails is also a novel solution and it's cool that that's going to attach over top of mlok
slots for maximum O P T I O N S, but again the proportions are all funky and those rails are super close together, even close than the real deal which also has super limited real estate.
Don't get me wrong, I hope the x57 ends up being a solid gun, I share a lot of people's excitement for it etc, and fully plan to pick one up at some point, but so far the "mp7 at home" style builds people are doing with Ruger LC Chargers are more compelling to me than what PSA showed off at SHOT. I have one of these guns and like it a lot, it's one of my favorite guns to shoot suppressed. Not counting tax stamp, laser, light and optic (meaning just the gun and collapsible stock) I'm into that Ruger less than PSA's claimed target price for the x57. They also have a year to iterate and improve it from the visibly rough prototype. From what I've seen so far it's just clearly not a $1k gun, especially since the Rock is on sale for like $300 every other week.
The 40rd mags are exciting though, since several other 5.7 guns on the market work with Rock mags and nobody seems to want to make anything bigger than 20-rounders and 2 companies make extensions for them, which cost more than the mags do.
Did they partner with Kel-tec to make that fricking thing?
Right now it's pretty much a shell around their 5.7 pistol to the point you could see slide serrations in the charging port. It's presumably going to go through a bunch of iterations, they just put it out there to drum up some attention.
That looks like a soldering iron trying to look tacticool
>gang of nogs breaks in
>you pull this out
>they don't even flinch because it looks like a hot glue gun
>you shoot them
>they don't even flinch because 5.7
No
Because you can't and won't own full auto guns so the value of such a weapon designed to quickly burst down humans at relatively close range is severely limited for you
you need to be 18 or older to post here
>5.7 is superior to 4.6
Fricking moron, 4.6 has better ballistics from a shorter barrel and doesn't have a moronic neck or require lubed cases.
>4.6 has better ballistics from a shorter barrel
are you implying 5.7 out of the 7 inch barrel has inferior ballistics? may I see the data
>moronic neck or require lubed cases
wtf does that even mean in the real world
>It's a dry lacquer coating, and it's not even required on all 5.7 guns.
>wtf does that even mean in the real world
I'm not the guy you asked but it means that FN and Fiocchi (the only guys who know how to make the coated brass) can overcharge for their brass thats prone to cracking (it cracks so often that handloaders hate the round, rather than reusing brass you have to buy new brass).
>Looking at 5.7 wildcats
>everyone says to use 4.6 as the parent instead because it's a much stronger case, extracts easier, case head less likely to blow out primer pockets and tear off rims
Too bad hk went with a meme bullet diameter
>moronic neck
What?
>lubed cases
It's a dry lacquer coating, and it's not even required on all 5.7 guns.
>moronic neck
Not sure what you mean here.
>require lubed cases.
That's a function of the P90's blowback action.
An MP7 in 5.7 wouldn't need it.
>That's a function of the P90's blowback action.
i would imagine it is instead because of the fricking weird mag system
You have an active imagination, since the problem with unlubed cartridges is chamber binding.
okay
>4.6 has better ballistics from a shorter barrel
Really? I remember reading that the reason HK never finalized the UCP is because of shit performance of the 4.6 out of the pistol, but that didn’t stop FN
>but that didn’t stop FN
... from admitting that the 5.7 underperforms on the pistol. Just because they don't admit it doesn't mean its not true.
nobody cares about your handgun round for recoilets.
possibly the most boomerish moronic post I've seen on /k/ since the new year
Cope marisa
Made me realize I’ve never seen a video of someone getting killed by an mp7 despite pretty wide range use by special forces
As I typed this I remembered the video of a US Marshall shooting some guy like 20 times with one. Why did I post this comment?
>Made me realize I’ve never seen a video of someone getting killed by an mp7
Here you go
This is the only video I'm aware of. He shoots the guy 8 times in about 1.5 seconds. Suspect is unresponsive on scene and they declared him dead at the hospital.
I'm not really sure the MP7 is ACTUALLY better ergonoically but I do think it looks cooler and think that an mp7 chambered in 5.7 would be a very cool gun that will never happen because HK are gays.
>I forgot link like a fricking moron
Lmao
Why they gotta lit up Yellawolf like that?
>getting killed by an mp7 despite pretty wide range use by special forces
you've never seen someone getting killed by special forces.
In real life no. In video yes hundreds of times
>In video yes hundreds of times
are you seriously so moronic to think SF films their operations and then disperses them to the public?
you can’t be serious
please link videos where you can see special forces killing people, let alone ones close enough that you can ID their guns.
There was literally just a dump of jsoc footage this week
videos just like this
You can even ID an hk416(?)
>please link videos where you can see special forces killing people
How did you possibly miss that entire thread from less than a day ago???
Got a webm/link?
The police mp7 shooting?
He linked it here
MP7 is not superior to P90, even if they used 5.7. The weight distribution is really weird since the additional vertical grip is way too close to the trigger on a pistol-style grip which makes it very akward to handle with two hands, while the P90's bullpup design and intially odd looking ergonomics are actually much more convenient, especially when you put a suppressor on both guns (because why in the world are you not using a suppressor on a PDW?)
Also, a transparent 50 round mag directly on top of the gun is excellent, not only the high capacity but also instantly seeing your ammunition without having to move the gun is perfect. The MP7 is not that much easier to reload than a P90 with how curved the mag is.
One small thing
The mag of the mp7 is only curved when chambered in 4.6. If it was chambered in 5.7, the mag would be perfectly straight.
Pride > Autism
HK has big ego.
Why not just learn to use a handgun at that point? The bullpup at least gives you extra barrel length for your shitty low mass round. Just buy the PSA monstrosity and shut up.
Dat muzzle brake pitting
Prob cause the Germans are butthurt that FN made the superior cartridge (esp for 7” barrel use) and will not admit it by rechambering for 5.7.
5.7 and 4.6 are both meh though. Gimme an MP7 chambered in 22APG or 5.56 MARS
>5.7 is truly less trash than 4.6 although still trash
>SOF vastly prefer subsonic 9mm, .45, or .300 over it
>despite being even more trash than 5.7 SOF still use MP7s due to the combination of decent ergos, low recoil, and form factor
you arent wrong, but the real answer is why not make the MP7 in 9mm. Only reason why they used MP7s was because there wrent any non hot trash delayed recoil 9mms(or other pistol cartridges) of similar size on the market. The limited success of the MP7 isnt an advertisement for the desirability of PDW style cartridges its a reminder that really small shoulder fired firearms are a useful niche.
>MP7 in 9mm
Probably because the MP7 is a gas piston design and it won't work with 9mm.
ok autist, maybe you cant use the exact same mechanism of action but an MP7 sized delayed blowback 9mm would eat the MP7s lunch
>an MP7 sized delayed blowback 9mm would eat the MP7s lunch
The literally replaced an MP7-sized delayed blowback 9mm gun with the MP7 you fricking idiot
That's why there's clones of it being sold like hotcakes today and the mp7 is unobtainium only sold by tommy built tacticucked
>after nearly a half-century the roaches finally got ahold of old HK tooling and figured out enough kinks to make MP5 clones worth a frick for a decent price (as long as you replace the extractors with ones from HK and are down to do a little troubleshooting)
>the MUCH newer gun that HK has never sold tooling licenses for and in general keeps an extremely tight lid on only has one guy finally making clones of it
Yes? We have literally decades of bullshit abortions that have finally culminated in decent roach MP5s being affordable. It'll happen with MP7s too, and Tommybuilt's clones and the sheer amount of interest in PSA's prototypes are probably the beginning of a very long process toward people eventually getting those guns.
the PSA prototypes aren't even MP7s, they're just PSA realizing that the form factor is sexy as frick
I didn't say they were MP7s, anon.
They look like a child's drawing of an MP7. The scale is way off, none of the proportions are right. But hopefully the fact that it seems to have generated maybe the most buzz of anything at shot show aside from the new Holosun MFAL shows some of these other companies how much money they're leaving on the table. For that matter hopefully the chink MFAL is also a kick in the ass for other laser manufacturers but unfortunately they generally price their units so high because they need to justify overcharging the DoD.
>after nearly a half-century the roaches finally got ahold of old HK tooling and figured out enough kinks to make MP5 clones worth a frick
should we tell him?
Tell me what? That you think the roach MP5s are bad? Having had trigger time on both an AP5m and an SP5k, the roach guns are definitely rougher around the edges and my buddy had to swap the extractor for an HK part, but it ran 100% and tbh internally they lack a lot of the civilian cucking HK does to the SP5.
Meanwhile I've put over 3k rounds through my PTR MP5 clone without a single hiccup
Cool man.
My buddy's roach gun was $850 + a $30 HK extractor and we put 1500rds through it in one range day with no issues.
Think bigger.
22 APG (picrel), 5.56 MARS, or 221 fireball - all are about the same size - in a hybrid case, chambered In an mp7 with metal (thin) grips, max cartridge OAL, and angled grip to facilitate long cartridges, and you got yourself an mp7-sized assault rifle. Such a gun would shit all over 5.56 SBRs
>you couldn’t make a gas piston 9mm
Siggers rise up
It's not "We can't." it's "Why would anybody bother?"
Direct blowback is cheap and reliable while gas operated is expensive and ever so slightly less reliable. 9mm doesn't need Gas Operated and doesn't benefit from it.
Gas operated advantage is that it scales better for larger rounds. You could use Blowback for .30 cal but you end up with the Maxim Gun.
>9mm MP7
So...the MP5?
>decades older design
>worse ergos
>completely different layout/size
youre moronic
Ok fine have another delayed blowback 9mm gun lol
The point is,
is acting like the reason the MP7 is usedis because nobody has made a similar 9mm weapon. That's fricking moronic, several such weapons exist and the MP7 remains in the rotation.
>delayed blowback
Pretty sure that's a rotating-bolt short recoil action, though.
Yeah well I'm pretty sure you have autism, buddy.
meant rotating-barrel, not bolt
>delayed blowback
>short recoil
>why choose only 1 (one) when you can just write both
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>neither can penetrate super scary Soviet paratrooper body armor, literally the one thing they were designed to do
I want an mp7 in 5.7, and wouldn't mind the psa one.
However the round is intended in a spray weapon with high rate of fire. In semi auto you lose most of the advantages and an actual pistol even smaller and more compact is better.
Special ops like them because it is about as light as you can go and still reliably fight an armed target. And often they carry lots of other stuff, and may be running or swimming long distances in and out. Not because it is the best thing to engage with. It consumes ammo fast, needs large bursts for effectiveness and is for short range. As soon as the element of surprise is lost it becomes a liability.
>However the round is intended in a spray weapon with high rate of fire. In semi auto you lose most of the advantages and an actual pistol even smaller and more compact is better.
Now, obviously I would never ever do this and nobody here would ever do this, but the new PSA MP7 at home is built on their Rock 5.7, which is literally a 5.7 Dagger, which is literally a gen 3 Glock.
Meaning, theoretically, drop in auto sears for it should be a pretty trivial task for anybody with access to a mill or even a 3d printer. It wouldn't surprise me to see some SOTs in the wild making full fun x57s within a year of release.
isn't PSA working on that
You just know the guys who argue about 5.7 effectiveness are the same ones who say theres NO difference between 9mm, .45 and 10mm
Lol I love when you homosexuals lump in 10mm in there as if anyone EVER makes that argument, rather than the much more common (and statistically backed-up) argument that 9mm, .40s&w, and .45aarp show no difference in effectiveness in real-world DGUs despite their different properties.