>what if we took a M240 >and ignored the lessons of peer wars and doubled the already heavy ammunition's weight so zoomers can larp about gwot like dad
ew
The aging of the PrepHole userbase has irrecoverably damaged the site. Now we get embittered guys like you who feel old but they don't want to feel old so they impotently lash out at the youngsters on a thread about an experimental machine gun. have a nice day homosexual.
Machine gun's role of providing fire is dependent on ammo weight. 7.62 is already too heavy for a 2 man team to carry enough ammo for a by the book assault. It takes 3 men broken-backed under the weight to manage. That's with 2-3 M240s in a platoon.
Double the ammo weight and you're basically halving the firepower of a standard western heavy weapons squad in an epoch when they need to be adding more drones and HE to it.
It's a neat gun but there's no getting around how it's an Afghanistan larp.
Exactly. .277 fury mogs 300WM it's already a 1200yd cartridge so this isn't the 338NM niche. This will finally replace god awful .50 cal with a useable gun with much less weight ammo (polymer case). And roles that 50cal used to be used for will be replaced by 30mm. Fifty is a dead round since everything armored is protected against it and it's heavy af for anti personnel use.
50cal is more than serviceable, new projectiles (SLAP/SLAP-T) have generally helped it keep pace it's just really showing its age. .338 can do the same job better, we've made massive strides in ballistics, metallurgy, and chemistry since 1918.
It's swapping from something that works and will probably keep working just fine to something that is quantitatively better in every area except cost.
>without whining like a little b***h
are you joking?
the M60 was infamously heavy and no one wanted it down at the squad level, they only used it because the US couldnt make a belt-fed M16 work and broke up their weapons platoons and spread out their M60s among squads to make up the shortfall
they called it the pig because it was heavy and the M249 was prioritized once it was available because it freed up a ton of weight in rifle squads
>they called it the pig because it was heavy
it wasn't just because of its weight but also because it got dirty as frick unbelievably quick, so it had to require more maintenance than the M16s to keep it running
im sorry eventually all things become outmoded and need to be replaced, much like yourself.
dont be a moron and stand in the way of technological progress like the old morons on the ordnance board.
No shit, but zoomers have nothing to do with it. Id be surprised if its even millennials involved in pushing the current overmatch fad. Still, the KAC LMG is soft adopted by ranger battalion so its got a leg in for adoption by other parts of the army.
no cap, optics and drone spotting may vindicate a heavier ammo fr fr bussin
Machine gun's role of providing fire is dependent on ammo weight. 7.62 is already too heavy for a 2 man team to carry enough ammo for a by the book assault. It takes 3 men broken-backed under the weight to manage. That's with 2-3 M240s in a platoon.
Double the ammo weight and you're basically halving the firepower of a standard western heavy weapons squad in an epoch when they need to be adding more drones and HE to it.
It's a neat gun but there's no getting around how it's an Afghanistan larp.
MGs and grenade launchers are the only infantry weapons that actually kill people
Give everyone else a small and light 5.7x28 PDW and have them carry belts of .338.
>2 MGs >2 assistant gunners >1 drone operator >1 grenadier (Standalone long barrel GL plus PDW) >4 grunts to carry MG belts, grenades and an extra drone or two.
>MGs and grenade launchers are the only infantry weapons that actually kill people
I know what you're trying to say here, but it's still moronic when I have an entire folder of shit like picrel, from that one war, and that's only accounting for the shit that's been filmed.
A sizeable number of those some 300,000+ casualties/KIA (depending on your sources) is most fricking definitely a result of rifle fire, and surely the inverse is true for Ukrainian total losses, too.
And a not-insignificant amount are surely coming in at ranges where lethality or effect wouldn't have been guaranteed with a damn 5.7 PDW.
No, rifles won't ever be the primary means of death on the battlefield. But they sure as frick aren't killing *0* people, nor are they killing an insignificant amount, either.
You best be genuinely moronic or autistic or something.
I too hate zoomers but what the actual frick are you sperging about. What the frick do zoomers have to do with this at all. The gun is lighter than a 240 so who gives a frick?
This thing is already so long and pike like. They should have just dropped the buttstock.
They have not just one but two side charging handles where the debris can enter the gun. Just use a cord or rear mounted charging handle. Yet another gun where the top cover interferes with the mounting of optics.
I’m surprised other mfgs aren’t making side-loading belt feds ever since FN made the EVOLYS. Seems like such a more elegant solution. Full length, unbroken rail on top, probably easier to reload as well.
And I’m still mad new MGs are not constant recoil.. it’s like they’re going out of their way to make inferior MGs when they can engineer what is essentially a physics glitch into their gun
The Chinese society doesn't value individual lives, just look at how they react in those gory car crash videos. They don't give a frick. Each Chinese vet crippled by bad knees and bad back problems from lugging too much weight can be replaced by 19 bugmen that look exactly like him.
True, but it was more the point that China can somehow shit out a 50cal machine gun that is sub 25kg loaded with a tripod yet the USA is still lugging around M2's that are nearing 50kg. I know I know 'who is lugging it around' but then you get the fact that the military has asked for lighter M2 ammo because even the lightest M2 ammo (which isn't used) isn't light enough. Makes me wonder why they don't reduce the weight of the whole thing if they're wanting the M2 to be a light weight system (which is why I upgraded it to M2A1 instead of going with the planned replacement which was like 30kg).
Lightweight 12.7mm HMGs aren't guaranteed to be stable in the field all because they have a tripod. Compare a DShK and an M2 firing and look at how much more stable and repeatable the recoil on the M2 looks versus the DShK. Imagine the difference in spread downrange between them, for suppression and precision purposes.
>what if we took a M240
>and ignored the lessons of peer wars and doubled the already heavy ammunition's weight so zoomers can larp about gwot like dad
ew
The aging of the PrepHole userbase has irrecoverably damaged the site. Now we get embittered guys like you who feel old but they don't want to feel old so they impotently lash out at the youngsters on a thread about an experimental machine gun. have a nice day homosexual.
LSAT was better, fite me.
Dudes get their first twinge of joint pain and immediately rejoice that they can finally say "dont get old, kid" to people 5 years younger than them
Don't get old, kid. /huffs cig, downs whiskey, and spins a revolver in a sepia-toned detective's office
no cap, optics and drone spotting may vindicate a heavier ammo fr fr bussin
if a .338 GPMG doesn't get your dick hard, you're not the target demo
Machine gun's role of providing fire is dependent on ammo weight. 7.62 is already too heavy for a 2 man team to carry enough ammo for a by the book assault. It takes 3 men broken-backed under the weight to manage. That's with 2-3 M240s in a platoon.
Double the ammo weight and you're basically halving the firepower of a standard western heavy weapons squad in an epoch when they need to be adding more drones and HE to it.
It's a neat gun but there's no getting around how it's an Afghanistan larp.
this is not supposed to replace 7.62, it's supposed to replace .50 bmg
Exactly. .277 fury mogs 300WM it's already a 1200yd cartridge so this isn't the 338NM niche. This will finally replace god awful .50 cal with a useable gun with much less weight ammo (polymer case). And roles that 50cal used to be used for will be replaced by 30mm. Fifty is a dead round since everything armored is protected against it and it's heavy af for anti personnel use.
50cal is more than serviceable, new projectiles (SLAP/SLAP-T) have generally helped it keep pace it's just really showing its age. .338 can do the same job better, we've made massive strides in ballistics, metallurgy, and chemistry since 1918.
It's swapping from something that works and will probably keep working just fine to something that is quantitatively better in every area except cost.
Yards, Nungs and ARVN could carry an M60 without whining like a little b***h
Why can't you?
they lost
>without whining like a little b***h
are you joking?
the M60 was infamously heavy and no one wanted it down at the squad level, they only used it because the US couldnt make a belt-fed M16 work and broke up their weapons platoons and spread out their M60s among squads to make up the shortfall
they called it the pig because it was heavy and the M249 was prioritized once it was available because it freed up a ton of weight in rifle squads
>they called it the pig because it was heavy
it wasn't just because of its weight but also because it got dirty as frick unbelievably quick, so it had to require more maintenance than the M16s to keep it running
>M60 was heavy
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>why it was called the pig
Because it fricking ate ammo and got fricking filthy.
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
the truth is funny like that
If the M60 was so heavy and it was a problem why did they replace it with heavier 240?
im sorry eventually all things become outmoded and need to be replaced, much like yourself.
dont be a moron and stand in the way of technological progress like the old morons on the ordnance board.
You are old and in the way
When I turn 30 I'm going to do what you should have done and blow my brains out so I don't wind up so miserable, ever seething homosexual like you.
No shit, but zoomers have nothing to do with it. Id be surprised if its even millennials involved in pushing the current overmatch fad. Still, the KAC LMG is soft adopted by ranger battalion so its got a leg in for adoption by other parts of the army.
MGs and grenade launchers are the only infantry weapons that actually kill people
Give everyone else a small and light 5.7x28 PDW and have them carry belts of .338.
>2 MGs
>2 assistant gunners
>1 drone operator
>1 grenadier (Standalone long barrel GL plus PDW)
>4 grunts to carry MG belts, grenades and an extra drone or two.
>MGs and grenade launchers are the only infantry weapons that actually kill people
I know what you're trying to say here, but it's still moronic when I have an entire folder of shit like picrel, from that one war, and that's only accounting for the shit that's been filmed.
A sizeable number of those some 300,000+ casualties/KIA (depending on your sources) is most fricking definitely a result of rifle fire, and surely the inverse is true for Ukrainian total losses, too.
And a not-insignificant amount are surely coming in at ranges where lethality or effect wouldn't have been guaranteed with a damn 5.7 PDW.
No, rifles won't ever be the primary means of death on the battlefield. But they sure as frick aren't killing *0* people, nor are they killing an insignificant amount, either.
You best be genuinely moronic or autistic or something.
3% or something like that, most is from arty
I too hate zoomers but what the actual frick are you sperging about. What the frick do zoomers have to do with this at all. The gun is lighter than a 240 so who gives a frick?
It isn't actually lighter unless you substantially reduce your round count, that is the marketing game being played with these .,338 MG
>mfw the gpmg is not a lmg
fricking boomer fudds go lift and stop b***hing
t. carried a 240
who will buy these? special forces?
Looks like a belt fed sniper rifle.
hey look, the perfect weapon for Afghanistan, right after we pulled out of Afghanistan
it gives you the power near m2 browning but with a weight that can be carried by 1 guy not 3 dudes with a tripod mounted machine gun
That weapon is sexually arousing
This thing still uses a roller lock mechanism. Why not a multilug rotating bolt?
Then you need a whole ass gas system. Roller lock is actually pretty good for Machine Guns see MG42, MG3, HK21 ect.
This thing is already so long and pike like. They should have just dropped the buttstock.
They have not just one but two side charging handles where the debris can enter the gun. Just use a cord or rear mounted charging handle. Yet another gun where the top cover interferes with the mounting of optics.
I’m surprised other mfgs aren’t making side-loading belt feds ever since FN made the EVOLYS. Seems like such a more elegant solution. Full length, unbroken rail on top, probably easier to reload as well.
And I’m still mad new MGs are not constant recoil.. it’s like they’re going out of their way to make inferior MGs when they can engineer what is essentially a physics glitch into their gun
>they want it at 10kg empty
>meanwhile the Chinks are fielding a 50cal that is 17kg empty (24kg loaded and with tripod)
makes me wonder.
The Chinese society doesn't value individual lives, just look at how they react in those gory car crash videos. They don't give a frick. Each Chinese vet crippled by bad knees and bad back problems from lugging too much weight can be replaced by 19 bugmen that look exactly like him.
True, but it was more the point that China can somehow shit out a 50cal machine gun that is sub 25kg loaded with a tripod yet the USA is still lugging around M2's that are nearing 50kg. I know I know 'who is lugging it around' but then you get the fact that the military has asked for lighter M2 ammo because even the lightest M2 ammo (which isn't used) isn't light enough. Makes me wonder why they don't reduce the weight of the whole thing if they're wanting the M2 to be a light weight system (which is why I upgraded it to M2A1 instead of going with the planned replacement which was like 30kg).
>Makes me wonder why they don't reduce the weight of the whole thing
because when the reduced weight of the M85 made it prone to breaking
Oh yeah, I see what you mean now.
Lightweight 12.7mm HMGs aren't guaranteed to be stable in the field all because they have a tripod. Compare a DShK and an M2 firing and look at how much more stable and repeatable the recoil on the M2 looks versus the DShK. Imagine the difference in spread downrange between them, for suppression and precision purposes.
Lighter .50 cal ammo is a desire for shipping a gorillion rounds overseas, not for soldiers lugging around their service load.
Close. It was specifically solicited to lighten the load on helis carrying several thousand rounds on their GAU-19s/-21s.
Why is it so fricking long. It looks nearly 5ft long when it's fully assembled.