For an actual, sane, reasonable solution to the problem that Fabrique Nationale created with the 5.7x28, why is the answer not a continuation of John Moses Browning's own Fabrique Nationale manufactured pistol? The 25 Automatic colt pistol MAGNUM
we're talking TAPERED CASE, UNLUBRICATED, RIMLESS ammo. 25 caliber. they already make rifle bullets in the caliber so this isn't even some fantasy my dude. that's a 110 grain bullet. you could be slinging 110 grain projectiles at like 1100 feet per second out of a gun that holds 25 bullets in a double stack magazine but instead we are prolonging the curse of the luger, or even worse, the shit hocked off on us by companies that suck. like 30 super carry or 5.7x29.
This is what superior performance looks like.
Why bother lengthening it that much when you could just load it to higher pressure? It's a 25k cartridge. Load it to 50k instead and just make it a tiny bit longer to stop morons blowing up old guns with it.
BOTH.
That would give a figure a lot higher than 1100.
Because it's semi-rimmed and .251, not .257.
If you're going to hop up an old cartridge you may as well go all the way and actually make it good, not just slightly less shit.
Would be based. And not for purposes of having 20+ capacity in a mid sized gun. I'd like to have more guns the size of picrel with ammo that has enough energy to actually be worth a frick
tiny guns will always be shitty because they are hard to aim properly. power isn't the problem.
>they are hard to aim
Unironically a skill issue. I practice with that little .25& i can easily hit soda cans at 15yd
>Unironically a skill issue.
You're not wrong. It's a a high learning curve and you're an outlier when it comes to people willing to learn. And it's gonna get even harder when you're doubling the velocity and upping the bullet weight too.
its going to shoot like 9mm and children can handle 9mm. even out of a gun like this it would be tolerable, not fun, but tolerable.
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5.7x28 was designed to be an armor piercing accurate SMG round for NATO. The handgun thing was secondary, because it just had to have some sort of working side arm to meet paper military requirements. So your stupid proposal does nothing anon. A bigger slower higher recoil bullet is exactly the opposite of what they were after.
Yeah 5.7 is a mediocre handgun round, but your idea is a shit SMG round.
5.7 doesn't even penetrate level iii pistol armor out of a pistol, something that 22tcm (which even it is cheaper than 5.7 ironically) does. Technically, 9mm is a better performing SMG round than 5.7 (an all around garbage round).
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>For an actual, sane, reasonable solution to the problem that Fabrique Nationale created with the 5.7x28
What problem did they create with the 5.7? It's a fine cartridge that works measurably better than .22 WMR. Why would anyone with the facilities and skill go to the trouble of making a new pistol cartridge with marginally different performance to the many pistol cartridges already in common use just to satisfy the autistic screeching of a neet on a Korean basket weaving bulletin board? What is the ROI on that?
>What problem did they create with the 5.7?
They really needed a worse .221 fireball.
>Why would anyone with the facilities and skill go to the trouble of making a new pistol cartridge with marginally different performance to the many pistol cartridges already in common use just to satisfy the autistic screeching of a neet on a Korean basket weaving bulletin board?
you might as well design a cartridge that actually does the job people are using it for. you can buy three .22 wmr cartridges for the cost of one 5.7 cartridge and everything that makes the 5.7 cartridge expensive to design and manufacture are design considerations for fully automatic short barreled rifles firing armor piercing overpressure cartridges unavailable to civilians. 22 wmr is ballistically indistinguishable from civilian 5.7 ammunition anyways
>22 wmr is ballistically indistinguishable from civilian 5.7 ammunition anyways
22 WMR out of a 16" barrel is indistinguishable from 5.7 out of a 4.5" barrel.
just use 7.62 tok
Can we meme Keltec into making a gun in 7.62 Tokarev? What about a hipoint in the caliber? Anything would be cool.
A 7.62x25 Sub2000 would be great.
>high point carbine in 7.62 tokarev
>start robbing gas stations wearing Jordans and a Ushanka
that has the same rim size as 9mm which defeats the entire purpose of this exercise
Would you people frick off?
You too, frick off. Do you know how many times 5.7 has ACTUALLY defeated soft armor in an ACTUAL firefight? Zero. Zero recorded incidents. Has not happened.
You know what penetrates soft armor better than 5.7? 223.
I've given this a lot of thought over the last year, 110gr in a .22magnum length case is just not optimal. What would be optimal are these dimensions:
>.300 rim
Identical to .22mag
>.298 base
>~1.3 case length
>~1.6 OAL
Which sets the correct taper for;
>~.285 neck
and
>.257 bullet diameter
Hey presto, you have brass which fits in handgun grips, fits in rimfire rifle receivers, and most importantly is as long as you could possibly want it. So if people want to wildcat shorter versions in .257, .224, .204, and .172, in order to take advantage of cheap/plentiful bullets, they can easily do so. You could make a centerfire bolt kit for the CZ457, finish a .224 wildcat to 1.350 length, rechamber, and have an absolute gem of an efficient, rimless, long-reaching varminting cartridge.
You have correct taper throughout the case for slight toe-in stacking and easy extraction, all the length you could want, and probably the most efficient and cheap multi-purpose PCC/PDW/pistol cartridge.
110gr spitzer .25 caliber rifle bullets are long as shit, they're not going to stabilize effectively out of a short pistol barrel. A ".25 Super" is a good idea but you'd need to use 25 caliber pistol bullets.