2034 is a perfect year for a possible war between Turkey and Greece. How could it play out? What should Turkey do, and what might Greece do?
https://www.populationpyramid.net/greece/2034/
https://www.populationpyramid.net/turkey/2034/
Should the TSK just drive them off the islands along Turkey's coasts, and leave it at that? After all, the whole thing stems from Greece's decision to forgo the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne and the 1947 Paris Treaty which stipulated the islands' unarmed statuses.
It's likely Greece will try to hit the Turkish mainland, so should Turkey respond in kind? What areas of mainland Greece are likely to be targeted?
Pls roaches, PLEASE unmask yourself for the absolute subhumans you are. I cannot wait for t*rks in europe justify t*rkish agression, warcrimes and assorted nastiness. You will do every true european one big favour.
Oh and btw. article 5 counts against other NATO members as well, deal with it.
Sure, let's say "Article 5" applies and it's called on against a NATO member, then what?
Who's coming to fight, and what do they do?
>The UK at a minimum would be involved regardless of the NATO status of Turkey, Greece, or the UK itself simply based on the Cyprus situation.
The UK has the second-largest Turkish Cypriot diaspora behind Turkey.
Britain has been on Cyprus since 1961. Turkey took Northern Cyprus in 1974. Why do you think it will be different this time around?
>Who's coming to fight
America
>and what do they do?
Completely demilitarize the aggressor with overwhelming airpower, then regime change.
>America
>Completely demilitarize the aggressor with overwhelming airpower, then regime change.
Sounds delusional. The US has been *in* Turkey since 1951 through its military bases. Turkey took Northern Cyprus *under* the US' watch
The chance of the US going to war with Turkey for Greece of all people in the 2030s sounds unrealistic.
Does Russia and Iran just sit back and watch while the US implements a puppet regime?
What areas does the US strike? And what happens to trade and refugees during this period?
>Attack Greek islands with an earthquake weapon and then seethe when NATO steals it.
Turkey is the second-largest military in NATO, so you're saying Turkey will take it following earthquakes?
>The French hate roaches so much they wouldn't need NATO to do a sequel to 1798
Elaborate on the details instead of the namedropping.
>Turkey is the second-largest military in NATO, so you're saying Turkey will take it following earthquakes?
In the Arma 3 timeline, Turkey is one of the nations in CSAT, an eastern counter to NATO comprising China and Iran, among others. In 2035 they help local forces wipe out the NATO garrison on a formerly Greek island (Altis) and then deploy their own ground forces to directly counter NATO's counterattack once the locals start getting their shit pushed in. The earthquake generator is a secret CSAT superweapon that either gets stolen by NATO SOF or is successfully spirited off the island, depending on which ending you got.
Turkey and China in a coalition?... You need to stop playing video games made by people who have no clue what they're talking about.
It started development in 2011 and released in 2013. Moreover, Turkey's shenanigans over the last several years up until a few weeks ago seemed to indicate they were gradually shifting ties away from the west.
>It started development in 2011 and released in 2013. Moreover, Turkey's shenanigans over the last several years up until a few weeks ago seemed to indicate they were gradually shifting ties away from the west.
Turkey was hardcore in the West's camp up until 2016. Turkey shot down a Russian jet in 2015 for violating its airspace, and got no support. Instead the US refused to sell Patriot air defenses, and even pulled out their own. Then in 2016 the coup attempt happened. Between that, the support for PKK/YPG, and the arms embargoes, Turkey learned to walk its own path.
The 2015 incident was only a year after Russia took Crimea, and started the Donbas war. NATO still refused to support Turkey against Russia. In 2016, Turkey even proposed patrols in the Black Sea, and once again NATO refused.
Meanwhile, European states sold $400M in weapons to Russia since 2014 despite sanctions (with 78% of that coming from France and Germany), and aside from Poland and the UK, refused to sell weapons to Ukraine outright before 2022's war breaking out.
https://telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/22/exclusive-france-germany-evaded-arms-embargo-sell-weapons-russia/
Germany even refused to allow defensive equipment like drone jammers to Ukraine.
https://uawire.org/germany-blocks-delivery-of-anti-drone-jamming-guns-to-ukraine
When Ukraine first used the Bayraktar TB2 against Russian-backed forces to save Ukrainian troops from their shelling, Germany and France openly condemned it
https://dw.com/en/germany-france-condemn-ukraine-escalation-call-for-restraint/a-57095476
France built the Taishan Nuclear Powerplant and the Wuhan Virology Lab in China. Germany sold dozens, perhaps hundreds, of engines to China to power its warships and submarines despite a 1980 embargo enacted following the Tienanmen Square Massacre, and only just recently paused sales. They were and still are deep inside China and Russia's asses.
(You)
>1989 embargo enacted following the Tienanmen Square Massacre
^Spellcheck.
Meanwhile, Turkey built factories for the TAI Anka and Bayraktar TB2 in Ukraine. And were even in talks with Ukraine to build frigates.
Russia's invasion was timed to prevent these factories from becoming operational. They feared that the drones would make a future Russian invasion even later that year extremely difficult.
SEP 2021
-Russian media panics about Bayraktar Akinci
>https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2021/09/05/russia-sees-a-real-threat-from-turkeys-new-akinci-drone/
NOV 2021:
-Plans announced to build plant in Ukraine to produce TB2 drones and Akinci engines
>https://uawire.org/turkey-to-build-plant-and-service-center-for-bayraktar-drones
>https://savunmasanayist.com/ukraynadan-akinciya-30-adet-yeni-motor/
>https://en.topwar.ru/188843-ukraina-prodolzhit-osnaschat-tureckie-udarnye-bespilotniki-bayraktar-akinci-turbovintovymi-dvigateljami-ai-450t.html
DEC 2021
-Russia complains about Turkish-made drones
>https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-03/ukraine-buys-more-armed-drones-from-turkey-than-disclosed-and-angers-russia
>https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2021/12/03/Putin-criticizes-Ukraine-s-use-of-Turkish-drones-in-Erdogan-call-
-Plans revealed to produce TAI Anka drones in Ukraine
>https://dailysabah.com/business/defense/ukraine-turkey-to-jointly-produce-new-gen-armed-drones
>https://perild.com/2021/12/12/anka-heavy-drones-production-will-be-launched-in-ukraine-arestovich/
JAN 2022
-Confirmation on production of TB2 drones in Ukraine
>https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-defense/3384936-ukrainian-mps-visit-turkish-plant-producing-bayraktar-tb2-drones.html
>https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2022/02/04/turkey-and-ukraine-to-coproduce-tb2-drones/
-Speculation about Ukraine being first export customer of Bayraktar Akinci
>https://www.defenseworld.net/2022/01/24/is-ukraine-the-first-export-customer-of-akinci-attack-drone.html
Wasn't Cyprus under a communist regime during that time ? Weren't they also under an arms embargo from us and nato and also were sperging out against the greeks not to help them cause they were le ebin right wingers ?
Are you saying the US planned or incited the 1974 partition of Cyprus?
Dunno, maybe ? It caused greece to leave nato and then the us forced them back in the 80s due to their massive fleet and geographical location, also losing an ally to the soviets would make the alliance look bad.
The French hate roaches so much they wouldn't need NATO to do a sequel to 1798
The French (Clemenceau) are the first to blamed for not balkanizing this fricking roach state a hundred years ago.
Sounds like a lot of seething going on. I have a feeling Turkey has very little to worry about.
In 2034, half of Greece's population will be over 50, while 2/3 of Turkey's population will be under 50. Can Greece pay pensions and fight a war at the same time?
If anything I see this going the way the last one did, with Greece being pushed out of NATO.... for breaking two historic treaties on demilitarization.
https://www.nytimes.com/1980/10/21/archives/greece-rejoins-the-military-wing-of-nato-after-sixyear-absence-way.html
You should comfort your sick president, Onur. A good old οttoman catamite treatment will do.
Didn't know Erdogan was in charge in 1974.
>The French (Clemenceau) are the first to blamed for not balkanizing this fricking roach state a hundred years ago.
But they did, then the French and Italians quit and ran. Then the Armenians and Greeks got their reality check and have been crying ever since.
Crusaders are the reason for Byzantium's fall in the first place, not Turks who took over 3 centuries later. Greece making alliances with the Franks to save their ass is just history repeating itself. They seemed to have learned nothing from history.
Lausanne Treaty: 1923
Montreux Treaty: 1936
Paris Treaty: 1947
Also turkey wasn't a signatory in the Paris Treaty, correct ?
Didn't the montreux treaty allow again the militirazation of the islands and the straights ?
>while 2/3 of Turkey's population will be under 50.
Yes, and the young ones will be Kurds.
Good luck roaches.
>Yes, and the young ones will be Kurds.
That's cool because the Prime Minister of Turkey who led the liberation of Northern Cyprus was also Kurdish.
You have a deluded vision of Kurdish–Turkish relations. That's why you'll keep losing because you're too high on COPIUM. Russia, Greece and France are on their deathbed. Either get with the program, or die with them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BClent_Ecevit
Yeah and in 2034 half your population will be kurds, good luck with that upcoming civil war, roach
Wow you are very upset, did a turk shit in your cereal this morning or something?
whoever hits first loses, since the other party can call for article 5 of NATO. so unless nato ceases to exist in 2034:
>first scenario
Turkey gets fricked
>second scenraio
Greece gets fricked
>Greece gets fricked
EU says "No."
What now?
if greece started a offensive war the EU would sure as shit not say "no".
realistically greece would build up forces and the EU would probably cripple their economy before it could come to a war.
Wow. You really have no clue about geopolitics do you? LMAO
I have a ball, perhaps you'd like to bounce it? moron.
That is if they do not manage to muddy the waters enough to make it impossible to say who struck the first.
Imagine dying for greece
you are seeing this from the wrong perspective:
>imagine risking your life to kill roaches
sound better this way, no?
Perhaps
>2034 is a perfect year for a possible war between Turkey and Greece. How could it play out? What should Turkey do, and what might Greece do?
The UK at a minimum would be involved regardless of the NATO status of Turkey, Greece, or the UK itself simply based on the Cyprus situation.
This would directly involve the US shortly after through geopolitical BS
Death to Turkroaches
Death to you too my friend 🙂
Attack Greek islands with an earthquake weapon and then seethe when NATO steals it.
Die and/or be deathmarched back to Turkmenistan.
1615 kek ekteleó
thats a really short land border. and the terrain is awful.
Imagine the reaction would 1000 times harsher than the situation for ukraine
Westerners love Greece
>Westerners love Greece
Really? I never got that impression, they sure do hate Turkey though so you are probably right about the reaction.
Occupy the server rooms and trash Them
>1 Kurdish grandfather
>h-he's a Kurd
Nah.
More COPIUM.
Not a greek and not caring bro, but I think demography will have a role with Kurdistan, Erdo-man even stated some time ago that Turkish Turks have to make more babies.
NATO be damned, Europeans should unite to drive these barbarians back into Asia.