Just look up AUG cracking, it's common enough to be worried about. 2020 - present seem to be most affected, and all Steyr does is send a replacement, which will presumably crack sooner or later also.
There are date code 2023 stocks breaking, so it's not just "COVID" era. And until steyr brings back a flat top receiver I couldn't give a rats ass about them. Honestly i hope they go out of business.
I think there were a few issues with stocks cracking in the US around the time rona started fricking with supply chains
probably understaffed and overworked due to the demand in guns shooting way up at the same time
Frick would I know, I'm talking about the U.S market specifically, I'm not autistic enough to find out if other counties have issues. I'm pretty sure Steyr has a state side supplier and they are fricking up the stocks.
I know this might be difficult to understand, but the Australian army isn't getting new production AUGs.
Steyr decided to cheap out on the plastic they use to manufacture their stocks during Covid due to shortages, so new production AUGs can shatter their stocks just from shooting.
There are date code 2023 stocks breaking, so it's not just "COVID" era. And until steyr brings back a flat top receiver I couldn't give a rats ass about them. Honestly i hope they go out of business.
Nope, post covid stocks don't break. post proofs if you think otherwise.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Feb/Mar 2023 stock, 5 shots in.
3 months ago
Anonymous
thats unacceptable
3 months ago
Anonymous
2023 date code clear as day. I don't "think", I know that recent production is still cracking. You being in denial and fangirling isn't helping anyone. Kys you fricking loser.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Forgot file for
2023 date code clear as day. I don't "think", I know that recent production is still cracking. You being in denial and fangirling isn't helping anyone. Kys you fricking loser.
lolwut, the plastic it cracked to shit around the fricking locking bolt that holds everything together. how the frick is that even operable? that OG l85 'things fall off it' tier broken.
it's a pretty weak point of argument to say >oh, this gun sucks ass? >you just have to spend yet more money on it because the OEM design is total dogshit, checkmate nerds
it's the worst trigger on a cartridge firing longarm I've ever experienced. It is terrible, far worse than other bullpup options, more akin to my Brown Bess than anything modern. >verification not required
Was it the NATO version? I have one that only accepts the proprietary magazines, and the pull really isnt all that bad. Its pretty short, and has a pretty short reset. My only complaint is that its hard to find the wall
3 months ago
Anonymous
>My only complaint is that its hard to find the wall
You can adjust the pre-travel out of it by loosening the screw that holds the transfer bars against the trigger shoe and gently pushing the bars back against the sear. Don't forget to snug the screw back down afterwards.
while zoomspeak is Black person ridden. the fanum tax concept is basically a rebranding of the dad tax. but instead of a father, it is some fat Black person taking a "tax" off of his roommate's doorslop order. originality is obsolete. we are to grow content with remixes until something groundbreaking is invented within our lifetimes. i hope my post is of nourishment for your lexicon. have a good day anon
>this firefight outcome surely will be determined by the crispness of the trigger
You are a flat range larping homosexual who doesnt go outside and are probably afraid to scratch your rifle if this is a major consideration you have in firearms.
>talking about firefights >accusing other people of being larpers
literal projection. guns are for fun. your heckin epic revolution isn't going to happen in your lifetime, the only person you're ever going to shoot is yourself, in which case the manageable length of your tactical gay bullpup might actually come in handy, and your toe won't even be able to tell how much the trigger sucks.
>guns are for fun >half of any bullpup threads or bullpup mentions & responses are "Your bullpup is suboptimal! It has a poopoo trigger! A 10.5 AR is 100× better for all reasons & situations!" [Posts recalled_batch_of_aug_chassis.jpg] >inb4 "nah, anons don't really act like that 'round here, you're taking it too seriously."
The AR is an 18.5 inch BRN 180 (It's a piece of shit, it only runs if i overgas it with my suppressor) and the suppressor is a custom fabricated form 1 i made, 9 inch OAL.
In the OP image, the AR is 3' 10-1/2", and the aug is 2' 3-3/4"
...with no muzzle device attached to the brn. again, youre being disingenuous. the aug is shorter but if youre going to make the argument, do it with integrity
Im not even trying to make a point im literally just stating the lengths of the two guns. If i put the flash hider back on the BRN it would be even longer so i dont even see what youre getting at here
If i wanted to do a more reasonable comparison to make a point id either compare the aug to another 16" rifle or id compare it to something like a mk18
>same length for transportation, but longer barrel and better ergonomics
Really underscores why most armies left the bullpup concept behind decades ago. But they do look nice, if nothing else
>same length for transportation, but longer barrel and better ergonomics
Really underscores why most armies left the bullpup concept behind decades ago. But they do look nice, if nothing else
Folding stock AR pattern rifles being the new wave is realistically invalidating bullpups even further.
I'll still love them though.
It'll definitely be shorter when folded but still longer deployed. But good ARs have been working on 10.5 for a while now, and that still applies to the AR-18 folding stock wave.
So they're only shorter folded but only have the best accuracy deployed...
I'll give that, at least when it comes to AUGs, I don't think they can go 10.5" or shorter due to their piston system.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>So they're only shorter folded but only have the best accuracy deployed...
Literally the best of both worlds, unless you are fighting over the grain elevator in stalingrad or something
3 months ago
Anonymous
So bullpups are the best of both worlds?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think they can go 10.5" or shorter due to their piston system
I mean that is specifically a big reason why ARs are remaining dominant, when you want a compact package that's still accurate out to a few hundred yards, they can very reliably do so these days.
It'll definitely be shorter when folded but still longer deployed. But good ARs have been working on 10.5 for a while now, and that still applies to the AR-18 folding stock wave.
The AR barely functions, without the suppressor it hardly has enough ass to eject brass without stove piping. It only runs reliably with my insanely overgassed custom made suppressor on the standard gas setting (With the can on the suppressed gas setting, it doesnt even cycle)
The stock aug trigger isnt even that bad either, it doesnt have much of a distinct wall but the travel and the reset are pretty short, you get used to it quickly. The aug has not had a single malfunction yet, and i doubt it will because theyre overgassed by default and stay very clean with the short stroke gas system.
This is a BRN180, its not an AR15. Brownells handles problems like this for free under warranty, except when you send it to them theyll tell you that a spring inside of the bolt carrier "acts as gas rings" on the bolt (The bolt on a short stroke gas piston system does not interact with gas at all)
I could probably fix it by drilling the gas port on the barrel slightly larger but im not going to bother, it works fine with the suppressor and its just going to live on it anyway
The aug and the BRN180 both utilize the same exact operating system
You seem irrationally angry about augs, maybe you should calm down anon
For context, by the way, the rifle was not ejecting properly before i sent it to brownells. They then told me that my problem was something that made literally no sense, and sent me back the rifle. It still has the same exact ejection issue (unless i use a suppressor to overgas the rifle)
>the AR will function
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It’s pretty cool looking especially in this pic but idk if a really want a israelitepup. I’d like a VHS-2 but I just can’t justify a more expensive and shittier gun than my AR15s. Then again I do own a beryl but I enjoy shooting AKs much more than ARs.
you've never shot a tavor homosexual, they get 1-2 MOA with basic .223 Remington freedom bucket shit ammo
and yeah they're gassy, it's so they plow through sand and don't jam up in the desert. not good if you want to run your gun suppressed, unless you get the X95 in .300blackout
t. owns an X95 and knows what he's talking about unlike SOME homosexual ITT
not the anon you are talking about, but the X95's were notorious for having accuracy issues until IMI stopped adding that barrel bushing to the rifle.
Out of the box for a long time they were way more inaccurate than the SAR.
they all come with the barrel bushing at the forend dingus and it has nothing to do with their accuracy, it's too flexible to affect any part of the barrel
jfc some of you tards just parrot shit you heard some gay say and treat it as the gospel
Woah it's as if it's a speed street sweeper for cqb.
Luckily for civilians in America, we got resolutions to most of the tavors issues and I have seen some theories about how ammunition type greatly affects your results (heavier gr like 77 is 2-2.5moa) which is further improved when you remove the frontal plastic ring on the handguard. Heat causes this polymer piece to heat and frick with the barrel.
I will agree with you I do wish we had adjustable gas systems but the .300blk conversion kits DID have them. Just get a manticore arms gasketed port cover + gasket sealant under the top rail = 0 tavor face bukkake. The tavor is a fricking dope gun that has some issues, also guzzle trig n bow and curved buttpad is 100% worth it.
The VHS is a hard gun to like, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. However seeing as you're already willing to overlook the AKs drawbacks maybe you can overlook the VHS's shortcomings too and come to enjoy it in the same light
https://i.imgur.com/Q0cwfj9.jpg
Bullpup is bretty comfy for civi use. Almost every complaint I see is from people who have training scars from only using ARs for 10 years
I'd say 95% of bullpup hate is from children that have never held a gun period and endlessly regurgitate opinions their favorite youtuber told them, 4% people that only have experience with conventional layouts who are allergic to trying new things, and 1% dissatisfied bullpup customers. Also sick doormat
>opinions their favorite youtuber told them
Are there actually any stridently anti-bullpup guntubers? I feel like they're all open-minded or open-walleted enough to at least give the AUG or the 'pup of the month the time of day.
None that I can think of but their fans will take any criticisms they laid against a particular gun (not just bullpups but any firearm) and blow them way out of proportion. I'm certain you remember when people couldn't stop parroting that one Hop video where he said taking cover with a bullpup will rough up your knuckles. Or how some were parading GT's ice and mud tests around like they were the be all end all tests that showed what guns were good and what were not. The concept of nuance is foreign to such lot, either a gun is the greatest thing since sliced bread or its a garbage fire
>taking cover with a bullpup will rough up your knuckles
AUG comes with multiple built-in knuckle guards >Or how some were parading GT's ice and mud tests around like they were the be all end all tests that showed what guns were good and what were not
Another common AUG "W"
I get your point, though.
Technically youre right, frick you
heres the inner workings of the can on that BRN180
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Friend of mine just bought an HK MR556, was really caught off guard when that fricking thing couldnt fit pmags. I guess its the same deal with the FS2000?
Lmao and you’re blaming the upper for not working in suppressed setting…
no machining, just handwork, welding, and some off the shelf parts and materials from mcmastercarr. The upper actually ONLY works with this suppressor on. On the standard gas setting without the can the ejection is very weak. On the suppressed gas setting with the can the gun doesnt even cycle. On the unsuppressed gas setting with the can theres just enough ass for it to cycle reliably with strong ejection. This fricking thing doesnt even have an expansion chamber
ignore the poortex optic. I don't usually keep an optic on this thing, I took it off another rifle to see how stupid it looks on this thing a while back and never took it off.
Based, do you like it anon? I was considering getting one over the aug but ended up jumping the gun. If i waited until my tax return i might have gotten the FS2000 instead
I do like it. It is kind of clunky and the fore-end feels like you're grabbing a 4x4, but aside from that it is a fun gun.
I wish I hadn't been such a fricking moron when I bought it. The guy I bought it from had two BNIB completely unfired in original packaging, one black and one green. I offered to buy both if he gave me a little discount and he said he wouldn't budge. He wanted $2500 for the black and $2750 for the green. I should have just purchased both and not been a israelite as both are worth a decent amount more than that now.
I really need to shoot it more than I do/have.
I also don't have anything against AUGs, I was just being dramatic for the sake of the thread.
Hypothetically, if FN started making them again and they only cost $1750 or so, they might be worth it over an AUG depending on your priorities, but with them being discontinued and commanding collectors' prices now, nitpicky details like the pinned muzzle device and only taking USGI mags make it a total non-starter for anyone who doesn't *specifically* want an FS2000
I agree. I don't use my FS2000 for much except a few range days to show to newguns that only know vidya.
I would have no hesitations about beating the shit out of an AUG, because parts are readily available and the entire gun can still be replaced for not too much.
I made that stock, anon. It's welded together from steel pipe and roundstock i bent up at work. It's a folding stock, but it isnt collapsible
Heres an older pic from before i taped a cheek pad onto it
Technically youre right, frick you
heres the inner workings of the can on that BRN180
Hypothetically, if FN started making them again and they only cost $1750 or so, they might be worth it over an AUG depending on your priorities, but with them being discontinued and commanding collectors' prices now, nitpicky details like the pinned muzzle device and only taking USGI mags make it a total non-starter for anyone who doesn't *specifically* want an FS2000
Friend of mine just bought an HK MR556, was really caught off guard when that fricking thing couldnt fit pmags. I guess its the same deal with the FS2000?
>I guess its the same deal with the FS2000?
It has a rubber gasket in the magwell that keeps out dust, mud, etc. at the cost of also making magazine changes a chore and keeping out any AR15 mag you'd actually use in the current year; technically you can remove it, but I'm not versed enough in FN lore to know if you can do it non-destructively.
A friend knows a friend with an FS2000 who supposedly modified his magwell for PMags, but im not sure how true that story really is. Im sure it's possible but if it's like what you say id imagine its to the detriment of the gun. Aug is proprietary mags anyway so its not that big of a deal to be stuck with USGI mags in comparison
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Aug is proprietary mags anyway
The NATO stock is technically worse than the waffle mag stock but it does exist.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I know that the nato stock doesnt have the bolt catch, doesn't it also have an even worse trigger or something? Ive always just heard the NATO version is an objective downgrade
3 months ago
Anonymous
The trigger is measurably worse (but my nephew who got a NATO AUG hasn't asked me about trigger upgrades, so I assume it's still fine), it can't be converted to wrong-handed ejection (if that matters to you), and its geometry is just barely different enough to make it incompatible with some aftermarket parts, like the GHW FLEx swivel
I wouldn't tell you not to get a NATO if mag compatibility were the only thing keeping you from trying an AUG, but the standard version has enough benefits that I wouldn't recommend it if you were open to buying a bunch of new magazines.
as a lawyer, I adjudicate this wager as nulll and void as the original conditions of it was based upon the condition that the stock was adjustable, which evidence indicates was not true.
teach me the secrets of eastern WA coyote hunting.
everywhere I want to go is closed half the god damn year for Elk breeding and I am too anti social to go knock on peoples doors to ask if I can hunt their property.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Pretty much nobody in rural eastern Washington gives a shit if you shoot yotes on their property as long as you ask em. Unless they're tryna do the shooting themselves. At least that's how it was growing up for me in the little farm town I was in.
Nice anon, have you experimented with other baffle stacks? Also just fixing the gas block is infinitely a simpler fix then making correctly over pressured suppressors
That's half of the necessary barrel length to get decent performance out of your shitty varmint caliber. You'd think 5.56gays would be the biggest proponents of bullpups because it finally allows them to have the long ass barrels necessary to shoot that caliber and actually have it be somewhat viable. But you're just desperately holding onto a platform like gay little fanboys. Just accept that the AR sucks and you have no need to use the same rifle as everyone else. It opens a lot of doors for better performing equipment.
>You'd think 5.56gays would be the biggest proponents of bullpups because it finally allows them to have the long ass barrels necessary to shoot that caliber and actually have it be somewhat viable.
They're also the biggest proponent of "just blindly copy whatever the US military is doing".
that guy is moronic. if you dissasemlbe the steyr the ejection port has a plate that needs swapping. but the charging handle and everything else remains the same. so eating brass to the face is the ONE thing you don't have to do with the 'ambidextrous' styer.
Who cares, most of you just buy an ultralight drop in trigger for your AR and complain about how the milspec trigger doesn't meet your needs on the flat range
>does nothing particularly good nor bad besides being compact
You say that like "being SMG-sized while being capable out to 300 yards" isn't the raison d'etre of assault rifles in general
I'd argue it's hardly SMG sized when it's still a very thick and relatively dense gun, overall length, sure. I guess for my use case, I don't see much of an advantage for something this compact over a standard configuration 14.5 or even 16" barrel rifle like my SCAR or AR-15. It's still a cool gun and very reliable, I just prefer the other two more.
What build is that? What year?
And how did you that og carry handle scope on a new production aug?
A3 M1, they occasionally release the A3SF scopes for the M1 which just mounts to the receiver holes where the rail normally does. It's a cool optic but a meme. Obscenely tight eyebox.
Trigger linkage. I have trigger packs and lightning bows and all that shit but the best I have gotten this tavor is slightly better than a basic sw mp trigger. The additional components just frick up having a nice trigger
i did, i own a FAMAS
good gun, i still don't know why people talk shit about bullpup triggers, maybe it's because they only used the AUG and not the rest.
imo, it's a very niche type of weapons made for people that want this kind of stuff, sure you can fit a longer barrel in a tinier gun but then you need to take a look at the rest, especially the aftermarket parts, i still recommend people to try one if they have the chance since they are fun to handle tho.
>i still don't know why people talk shit about bullpup triggers
Because match AR triggers that go off if a butterfly farts on them too hard are the "default" rifle trigger now and milspec triggers from the 80s just won't cut it anymore.
Is there any combination of upper, handguard, barrel, accessories, whatever that won't make an abortion out of this?
https://reapweaponries.com/product/scy/
Turning a gun that is not a bullpup into a bullpup is just a bad idea. The FM15 upper is the closest thing to Aug controls you can get on an AR, but it doesn’t allow you to lock the bolt back with the charging handle like you can on an AUG or HK roller gun. Massive oversight that completely ruins the FM15 for me.
In all fairness, you can make the gun VERY small. Even if it's not even slightly ergonomic, it's still a sub-20" SBR with 30 rounds on tap. I bet control manipulations aren't even that bad when you can handle it like a pistol to access the admittedly poorly placed controls.
Besides that, the AR bullpup allows you to use exotic cartridges that will never exist for factory bullpups. You will NEVER see an AUG in .458 SOCOM, or an MDR in .224 Valkyrie without spending thousands on custom parts, but that's trivial work and $500 worth of mass-produced parts on an AR upper.
The challenge is that the charging handle and bolt catch are on the same side of the gun. Locking the bolt open requires you to either be capable of reaching the bolt catch with your fingers or placing the gun on a table so that you can pull the charging handle back and press the bolt catch at the same time. With an ambi lower it might not be so bad, but unsure how the SCY handles that
Just so you know anon an sa80 conversion lower is coming out for the brn 180
A bullpup with a reciprocating rear mounted charging handle is just an objectively bad idea
CQB gays already do this with normal AR15s because it’s the only way to get a traditional rifle adequately short. Doing it with a bullpup gives you the same ballistics but in an insanely compact package
>sub 10.3” AR-15
Just get .300 blacked if you want it shorter. There’s no point in cucking the rifle and the cartridge that badly
3 months ago
Anonymous
My dude, you need to take a step back for a second and look at what short barrelled 5.56 guns are for - they are REPLACING 9mm subguns. 5.56 blows 9mm way out of the water in basically every regard, that's what short 5.56 guns are so popular. It's not "replacing" a standard 14.5 or 16" barrel rifle.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And .300 blacked does the same job of replacing 9mm sub guns better than 5.56 does without beating your gun to death
3 months ago
Anonymous
There are use cases for both. The MP5SD is absolutely superceded in all respects by a suppressed short barrel 300 blk. But subsonic super sneaky isn't the use case most of the time.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The MP5SD is absolutely superceded in all respects by a suppressed short barrel 300 blk
Took us nearly half a century but we finally got there.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Well like many things it took enough special operations groups around the globe to b***h loud enough about 5.56 for it to happen.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Took us nearly half a century
not really
3 months ago
Anonymous
Those guns are both loud as frick, how is that "superseded in all aspects"?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Supersonic .300 blackout exists and in a 9” barrel has similar energy to 5.56 out of a 14.5”
I still think 5.56 is better overall, but if you’re going that short, you should go for something designed for shorter barrels
NTA but all of that is why the MBLR-15 is so interesting to me. Something like 90% of AR-15 parts are supposed to be compatible including the bolt and barrel
This is the exact configuration I’m referring to is a terrible idea. It’s one thing if your gun doesn’t work well with lefties, but if you shoot this left handed it will literally tear your face up with the charging handle
Augs are banned from import by name. Receivers that arnt finished and legally
not guns are made in Austria, shipped over the pond, then finished out Steyr US. FN USA has been making for the US Aug for awhile now.
I wish someone other than Springfield imported the VHS. I like mine but it seems like everyone shits on it due to the moronic name and the association with Springfield.
Please just call it a VHS. Hellion is such a bad name. I have no idea what Springfield was smoking.
2020 dated stocked aug with 1k rounds on it, no cracks, appears styer has a bad mold they need to replace since 2021-2022, post covid issues shouldn't make anyone fear getting an aug, mine is by far my favorite 5.56 rifle and shoots pmc xm193 around 1 m.o.a
>AUG trigger
To be honest I'd give no fricks if we could just have full fun otherwise it's been meh.
Also no more brother wars, just bring in the frickin STM 556 Steyr!
>from the wiki >"The A2 variant came to be as the result of a significant upgrade in the early 2000s by Heckler & Koch and remains in service as of 2023. The A3 variant was first issued in 2018 with several new improvements."
huh, well I'll be dipped.
>SA80 that isn't ugly, has acceptable performance, and isn't a boat anchor
Is it weird that that turns me off? For collectors I imagine the shit factor of the L85 would be a selling point.
Aw m8 I fricked around modis guys, the insas is a piece of shit rifle. Don't even get me started.
Half the Indians refuse to use it, it stays in the armoury, they made small batch procurements of sensible rifles, now they're starting to get AKs in, there are 10 configurations of the insas and all but two were dropped.
India works very closely with isreali defence and India basically wanted a galil type arrangement to standardise. And they took a lot of very isreali features like the funky gas regulator to facilitate unit level rifle grenadiers. Three round burst and low rate of fire were sensible choices.
The insas ergos are bad but not awful, obvious comparison is to AKM
Probably one of the only ones thats easily shoulder fireable.
Limited use case but If I were looking for an urban enviroment AMR thats the one Id like to have.
it's probably a lack of material or being solid enough in the stock
tavor is literally a a brick that internally explodes in the case of catastrophic malfunction, it's so thick it physically can't break apart
VHS also needed to be robust enough to not crumble while supporting an easily swappable ejection pattern and adjustable buttstock (god knows why you'd want to extend the buttstock on it though, you'd have to be a fricking giant for that length of pull to be too close).
I would but my state is gay and i cant get any of them.
Im hoping the new desert tech rifle fixes everything that people disliked about the mdr. Wolverine is the gayest name they could come up with though.
Sounds like theyre using the same system from the srs/hti so hopefully that helps with the accuracy issues.
I cant tell if all the accessories from the mdr will work but im sure theyre going to have a micron and forend ect.
Steyr is great for COIN opps, if you're mechanised or motor infantry the barrel length really does matter. In 2024 body armour is widespread so sidearms are dead weight.
Downsides?
Weight, poor balance, poor triggers. But all relative concerns as you'll find worse conventional rifles still in service.
One thing I will say though, short barrel means a lot of concussion for the operator and that can seriously impact performance. But here's the split, the second you've got a can on a steyr you've got a conventional length rifle again and that's really where the balance for the shooter improves. Having the weight so far back matters if you've got half a pound of can up front.
The smart way to think about this is that a bullpup with a can is as long as an AR without a can, plus you can take the can off for the drive
My AR doesn't start cracking from normal use.
Do augs? Doesn't actually sound like a common issue, just one that may have happened that people parrot
Just look up AUG cracking, it's common enough to be worried about. 2020 - present seem to be most affected, and all Steyr does is send a replacement, which will presumably crack sooner or later also.
So just don’t have a Covid era AUG, not hard
t.1997 and 2014 AUG enjoyer
There are date code 2023 stocks breaking, so it's not just "COVID" era. And until steyr brings back a flat top receiver I couldn't give a rats ass about them. Honestly i hope they go out of business.
Yeah but does a meatbag sent to die in the trenches need to worry about living long enough for that?
I have used the 'AUG' for 18 years now in the Australian Army and I have not heard of a single stock cracking
I think there were a few issues with stocks cracking in the US around the time rona started fricking with supply chains
probably understaffed and overworked due to the demand in guns shooting way up at the same time
Frick would I know, I'm talking about the U.S market specifically, I'm not autistic enough to find out if other counties have issues. I'm pretty sure Steyr has a state side supplier and they are fricking up the stocks.
I know this might be difficult to understand, but the Australian army isn't getting new production AUGs.
Steyr decided to cheap out on the plastic they use to manufacture their stocks during Covid due to shortages, so new production AUGs can shatter their stocks just from shooting.
Nope, post covid stocks don't break. post proofs if you think otherwise.
Feb/Mar 2023 stock, 5 shots in.
thats unacceptable
2023 date code clear as day. I don't "think", I know that recent production is still cracking. You being in denial and fangirling isn't helping anyone. Kys you fricking loser.
Forgot file for
. Now what do you say?
yikes
lolwut, the plastic it cracked to shit around the fricking locking bolt that holds everything together. how the frick is that even operable? that OG l85 'things fall off it' tier broken.
That wood block is bussin' on god frfr
>US made AUG
lmao
Lmao steyr is lazy lmao you gonna come up with something original lmao
>common enough to be worried about
it's common among spergs on rebbit
yes
Augs are junk
no, literally a bad mold from covid times doesn't mean all augs are bad, thats like saying every ar-15 is a BCA/PSA poverty shitter
Augs stocks after the covid dates have been cracking too
>My AR doesn't start cracking from normal use.
Nor does my AUG.
Nobody cares about your specific aug, homosexual.
Nobody cares about your generic AR, homosexual
He said normal use, you don't shoot fool so of course your shit wouldn't crack.
what stops them from just moving the receiver foward on an AR platform?
Trigger be skibidi toilet
>he didn't get the phantom tax trigger upgrade
>phantom tax
its FANUM TAX boomer
it's a pretty weak point of argument to say
>oh, this gun sucks ass?
>you just have to spend yet more money on it because the OEM design is total dogshit, checkmate nerds
You don’t even need to, the stock trigger isn’t anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be.
it's the worst trigger on a cartridge firing longarm I've ever experienced. It is terrible, far worse than other bullpup options, more akin to my Brown Bess than anything modern.
>verification not required
Was it the NATO version? I have one that only accepts the proprietary magazines, and the pull really isnt all that bad. Its pretty short, and has a pretty short reset. My only complaint is that its hard to find the wall
>My only complaint is that its hard to find the wall
You can adjust the pre-travel out of it by loosening the screw that holds the transfer bars against the trigger shoe and gently pushing the bars back against the sear. Don't forget to snug the screw back down afterwards.
I want to roast nu-zoomers in boiling vat of acid for coming up with this Black person speak
while zoomspeak is Black person ridden. the fanum tax concept is basically a rebranding of the dad tax. but instead of a father, it is some fat Black person taking a "tax" off of his roommate's doorslop order. originality is obsolete. we are to grow content with remixes until something groundbreaking is invented within our lifetimes. i hope my post is of nourishment for your lexicon. have a good day anon
oh yeah I forgot to include, fanum tax belongs to generation alpha, not generation zee
>this firefight outcome surely will be determined by the crispness of the trigger
You are a flat range larping homosexual who doesnt go outside and are probably afraid to scratch your rifle if this is a major consideration you have in firearms.
Are you Implying that Geissele triggers are not used by the military? Fricking dipshit
>talking about firefights
>accusing other people of being larpers
literal projection. guns are for fun. your heckin epic revolution isn't going to happen in your lifetime, the only person you're ever going to shoot is yourself, in which case the manageable length of your tactical gay bullpup might actually come in handy, and your toe won't even be able to tell how much the trigger sucks.
>guns are for fun
>half of any bullpup threads or bullpup mentions & responses are "Your bullpup is suboptimal! It has a poopoo trigger! A 10.5 AR is 100× better for all reasons & situations!" [Posts recalled_batch_of_aug_chassis.jpg]
>inb4 "nah, anons don't really act like that 'round here, you're taking it too seriously."
ar babies and their trigger c**ts lol
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I GOTTA HAVE A 4oz TRIGGER OR I CANT SHOOT I CAN"T SHOOT ACK
you should have no problem carrying a vp70 then
>Puts a frickhueg can on his AR
>Compares it with a 16" aug with stock flash hider
>Guys look how much shorter the aug is!!!1!
The AR is an 18.5 inch BRN 180 (It's a piece of shit, it only runs if i overgas it with my suppressor) and the suppressor is a custom fabricated form 1 i made, 9 inch OAL.
In the OP image, the AR is 3' 10-1/2", and the aug is 2' 3-3/4"
...with no muzzle device attached to the brn. again, youre being disingenuous. the aug is shorter but if youre going to make the argument, do it with integrity
>you're being disingenuous comparing a 18" gun with no muzzle device and the stock folded to a 16" bullpup
>"nice strawman"
the duality of bullpup contrarians
Im not even trying to make a point im literally just stating the lengths of the two guns. If i put the flash hider back on the BRN it would be even longer so i dont even see what youre getting at here
If i wanted to do a more reasonable comparison to make a point id either compare the aug to another 16" rifle or id compare it to something like a mk18
Just so you know anon an sa80 conversion lower is coming out for the brn 180
>same length for transportation, but longer barrel and better ergonomics
Really underscores why most armies left the bullpup concept behind decades ago. But they do look nice, if nothing else
Folding stock AR pattern rifles being the new wave is realistically invalidating bullpups even further.
I'll still love them though.
Can a 14.5" AR with folding stock really become shorter than a 14.5" AUG or DT micron?
Don't know about the DT but compared to the AUG it should be a few inches shorter when folded, ya.
So they're only shorter folded but only have the best accuracy deployed...
I'll give that, at least when it comes to AUGs, I don't think they can go 10.5" or shorter due to their piston system.
>So they're only shorter folded but only have the best accuracy deployed...
Literally the best of both worlds, unless you are fighting over the grain elevator in stalingrad or something
So bullpups are the best of both worlds?
>I don't think they can go 10.5" or shorter due to their piston system
I mean that is specifically a big reason why ARs are remaining dominant, when you want a compact package that's still accurate out to a few hundred yards, they can very reliably do so these days.
It'll definitely be shorter when folded but still longer deployed. But good ARs have been working on 10.5 for a while now, and that still applies to the AR-18 folding stock wave.
The AR will function and it's trigger doesn't feel like I'm dragging plastic bottles through asphalt.
The AR barely functions, without the suppressor it hardly has enough ass to eject brass without stove piping. It only runs reliably with my insanely overgassed custom made suppressor on the standard gas setting (With the can on the suppressed gas setting, it doesnt even cycle)
The stock aug trigger isnt even that bad either, it doesnt have much of a distinct wall but the travel and the reset are pretty short, you get used to it quickly. The aug has not had a single malfunction yet, and i doubt it will because theyre overgassed by default and stay very clean with the short stroke gas system.
Then fix your fricking gas block. It's easy to do and won't cost a 10th of pissing money away on the worst bullpup on the market.
This is a BRN180, its not an AR15. Brownells handles problems like this for free under warranty, except when you send it to them theyll tell you that a spring inside of the bolt carrier "acts as gas rings" on the bolt (The bolt on a short stroke gas piston system does not interact with gas at all)
I could probably fix it by drilling the gas port on the barrel slightly larger but im not going to bother, it works fine with the suppressor and its just going to live on it anyway
The aug and the BRN180 both utilize the same exact operating system
You seem irrationally angry about augs, maybe you should calm down anon
For context, by the way, the rifle was not ejecting properly before i sent it to brownells. They then told me that my problem was something that made literally no sense, and sent me back the rifle. It still has the same exact ejection issue (unless i use a suppressor to overgas the rifle)
>dragging plastic bottles through asphalt
Tell me you've never shot an AUG without saying you've never shot an AUG.
>the AR will function
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>has never pulled an aug trigger
it's on par with any other combat trigger and can easily be made better
Its on par with a nerf gun trigger
I have taken the bullpup pill, I have a tavor
It’s pretty cool looking especially in this pic but idk if a really want a israelitepup. I’d like a VHS-2 but I just can’t justify a more expensive and shittier gun than my AR15s. Then again I do own a beryl but I enjoy shooting AKs much more than ARs.
The Tavor is inaccurate and wildly overgassed. Just get an AUG like a relatively normal person.
I don’t want an Aug though I think they are gay.
You're gay.
Why don't you two just kiss and accept your differences?
lol the old "tavor is inaccurate" meme
you've never shot a tavor homosexual, they get 1-2 MOA with basic .223 Remington freedom bucket shit ammo
and yeah they're gassy, it's so they plow through sand and don't jam up in the desert. not good if you want to run your gun suppressed, unless you get the X95 in .300blackout
t. owns an X95 and knows what he's talking about unlike SOME homosexual ITT
>1-2moa
Post x95
>SARMARanon
not the anon you are talking about, but the X95's were notorious for having accuracy issues until IMI stopped adding that barrel bushing to the rifle.
Out of the box for a long time they were way more inaccurate than the SAR.
they all come with the barrel bushing at the forend dingus and it has nothing to do with their accuracy, it's too flexible to affect any part of the barrel
jfc some of you tards just parrot shit you heard some gay say and treat it as the gospel
>1-2 moa with remshit
remshit isnt 1-2 moa in anything
Woah it's as if it's a speed street sweeper for cqb.
Luckily for civilians in America, we got resolutions to most of the tavors issues and I have seen some theories about how ammunition type greatly affects your results (heavier gr like 77 is 2-2.5moa) which is further improved when you remove the frontal plastic ring on the handguard. Heat causes this polymer piece to heat and frick with the barrel.
I will agree with you I do wish we had adjustable gas systems but the .300blk conversion kits DID have them. Just get a manticore arms gasketed port cover + gasket sealant under the top rail = 0 tavor face bukkake. The tavor is a fricking dope gun that has some issues, also guzzle trig n bow and curved buttpad is 100% worth it.
>you need to do XYZ and use specific ammo to mitigate the Tavor's known issues
yeah
>to moronic to remove a plastic ring and put on some sealant
yeah
Hey homosexual what do AR15 owners do?
>New everything till muh personalized
only internet spergs do that. Most people just leave there ARs factory aside putting on optics or grips.
Cap-enese baitgay
The VHS is a hard gun to like, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. However seeing as you're already willing to overlook the AKs drawbacks maybe you can overlook the VHS's shortcomings too and come to enjoy it in the same light
I'd say 95% of bullpup hate is from children that have never held a gun period and endlessly regurgitate opinions their favorite youtuber told them, 4% people that only have experience with conventional layouts who are allergic to trying new things, and 1% dissatisfied bullpup customers. Also sick doormat
>I'd say 95% of bullpup hate is from
You forgot to include left-handed people
>$300 extra plus tax and tip for the leftie bolt
Well lefties aren't really people so they weren't included
>opinions their favorite youtuber told them
Are there actually any stridently anti-bullpup guntubers? I feel like they're all open-minded or open-walleted enough to at least give the AUG or the 'pup of the month the time of day.
None that I can think of but their fans will take any criticisms they laid against a particular gun (not just bullpups but any firearm) and blow them way out of proportion. I'm certain you remember when people couldn't stop parroting that one Hop video where he said taking cover with a bullpup will rough up your knuckles. Or how some were parading GT's ice and mud tests around like they were the be all end all tests that showed what guns were good and what were not. The concept of nuance is foreign to such lot, either a gun is the greatest thing since sliced bread or its a garbage fire
>taking cover with a bullpup will rough up your knuckles
AUG comes with multiple built-in knuckle guards
>Or how some were parading GT's ice and mud tests around like they were the be all end all tests that showed what guns were good and what were not
Another common AUG "W"
I get your point, though.
would cop if they made one in .300 BO
Sick range, wish we had a steel range like that where I'm at.
😀
just waiting on PSA to release the JAKL bullpup lower.
This looks like such aids
Lmao and you’re blaming the upper for not working in suppressed setting…
>I’m proud of you for actually building something
no machining, just handwork, welding, and some off the shelf parts and materials from mcmastercarr. The upper actually ONLY works with this suppressor on. On the standard gas setting without the can the ejection is very weak. On the suppressed gas setting with the can the gun doesnt even cycle. On the unsuppressed gas setting with the can theres just enough ass for it to cycle reliably with strong ejection. This fricking thing doesnt even have an expansion chamber
>moron has shit taste
Many such cases.
Why wait
https://a3tactical.com/triad-bullpup-chassis-for-psa-jakl-upper-receiver/
Bullpup is bretty comfy for civi use. Almost every complaint I see is from people who have training scars from only using ARs for 10 years
completely agree. The balance is awesome too, i can walk around with my aug one handed all day long comfortably. Its like holding a big heavy pistol
Ergonomics are gay and the trigger is shit. The improved ballistics are cool and everything but I'll just shoot more than one time.
have you ever fired an aug before, anon?
The X95 ergos are identical to AR ergos and the trigger feels like an AR trigger. This is exactly what I was talking about.
I love bullpups.
I would never own an AUG because im not a homosexual.
This post brought to you by FS2000 gang
post your fs2000
ignore the poortex optic. I don't usually keep an optic on this thing, I took it off another rifle to see how stupid it looks on this thing a while back and never took it off.
Based, do you like it anon? I was considering getting one over the aug but ended up jumping the gun. If i waited until my tax return i might have gotten the FS2000 instead
I do like it. It is kind of clunky and the fore-end feels like you're grabbing a 4x4, but aside from that it is a fun gun.
I wish I hadn't been such a fricking moron when I bought it. The guy I bought it from had two BNIB completely unfired in original packaging, one black and one green. I offered to buy both if he gave me a little discount and he said he wouldn't budge. He wanted $2500 for the black and $2750 for the green. I should have just purchased both and not been a israelite as both are worth a decent amount more than that now.
I really need to shoot it more than I do/have.
I also don't have anything against AUGs, I was just being dramatic for the sake of the thread.
Hypothetically, if FN started making them again and they only cost $1750 or so, they might be worth it over an AUG depending on your priorities, but with them being discontinued and commanding collectors' prices now, nitpicky details like the pinned muzzle device and only taking USGI mags make it a total non-starter for anyone who doesn't *specifically* want an FS2000
I agree. I don't use my FS2000 for much except a few range days to show to newguns that only know vidya.
I would have no hesitations about beating the shit out of an AUG, because parts are readily available and the entire gun can still be replaced for not too much.
love me some tactical tuna
This, bullpups are shit not because of the inherent idea of them but because the best one (f2000) isn't sold anymore
FS2k is just an AUG with extra steps.
AUG sucks dick. Sold mine within a month of owning it even after putting in upgrades.
What did you not like about it?
Why do AUGgays act like troons?
Act?
I'll bet you ten bucks that stock is adjusted as far back as it can go.
I made that stock, anon. It's welded together from steel pipe and roundstock i bent up at work. It's a folding stock, but it isnt collapsible
Heres an older pic from before i taped a cheek pad onto it
thats a weird way of saying that you owe that anon $10.
Technically youre right, frick you
heres the inner workings of the can on that BRN180
Friend of mine just bought an HK MR556, was really caught off guard when that fricking thing couldnt fit pmags. I guess its the same deal with the FS2000?
>I guess its the same deal with the FS2000?
It has a rubber gasket in the magwell that keeps out dust, mud, etc. at the cost of also making magazine changes a chore and keeping out any AR15 mag you'd actually use in the current year; technically you can remove it, but I'm not versed enough in FN lore to know if you can do it non-destructively.
A friend knows a friend with an FS2000 who supposedly modified his magwell for PMags, but im not sure how true that story really is. Im sure it's possible but if it's like what you say id imagine its to the detriment of the gun. Aug is proprietary mags anyway so its not that big of a deal to be stuck with USGI mags in comparison
>Aug is proprietary mags anyway
The NATO stock is technically worse than the waffle mag stock but it does exist.
I know that the nato stock doesnt have the bolt catch, doesn't it also have an even worse trigger or something? Ive always just heard the NATO version is an objective downgrade
The trigger is measurably worse (but my nephew who got a NATO AUG hasn't asked me about trigger upgrades, so I assume it's still fine), it can't be converted to wrong-handed ejection (if that matters to you), and its geometry is just barely different enough to make it incompatible with some aftermarket parts, like the GHW FLEx swivel
I wouldn't tell you not to get a NATO if mag compatibility were the only thing keeping you from trying an AUG, but the standard version has enough benefits that I wouldn't recommend it if you were open to buying a bunch of new magazines.
as a lawyer, I adjudicate this wager as nulll and void as the original conditions of it was based upon the condition that the stock was adjustable, which evidence indicates was not true.
Are you in Eastern Washington? Might just be sperging but the shop pictured looks awfully familiar to me.
teach me the secrets of eastern WA coyote hunting.
everywhere I want to go is closed half the god damn year for Elk breeding and I am too anti social to go knock on peoples doors to ask if I can hunt their property.
Pretty much nobody in rural eastern Washington gives a shit if you shoot yotes on their property as long as you ask em. Unless they're tryna do the shooting themselves. At least that's how it was growing up for me in the little farm town I was in.
Nice anon, have you experimented with other baffle stacks? Also just fixing the gas block is infinitely a simpler fix then making correctly over pressured suppressors
Im going to build my next one pretty soon, provided i can actually FILE MY FRICKING FORM 1, ATF, YOU FRICKING Black folk
>ackshually a conventional layout rifle is just as short as a bullpup if you take the suppressor off and fold the stock and and and
Frick off.
Nice strawman, you seething moron.
>10" barrel on an AR
That's half of the necessary barrel length to get decent performance out of your shitty varmint caliber. You'd think 5.56gays would be the biggest proponents of bullpups because it finally allows them to have the long ass barrels necessary to shoot that caliber and actually have it be somewhat viable. But you're just desperately holding onto a platform like gay little fanboys. Just accept that the AR sucks and you have no need to use the same rifle as everyone else. It opens a lot of doors for better performing equipment.
>You'd think 5.56gays would be the biggest proponents of bullpups because it finally allows them to have the long ass barrels necessary to shoot that caliber and actually have it be somewhat viable.
They're also the biggest proponent of "just blindly copy whatever the US military is doing".
This dummy is still living in 1960. 77gr is what you use in a SBR.
I'm sorry buddy I hate bullpups normally but that AR is going to dog shit at ranges the Aug will hit fine at.
>cannot be shot ambiguously without disassembling the rifle.
>catastrophic failures destroy the users face.
>does not look American!
>ambiguously
that guy is moronic. if you dissasemlbe the steyr the ejection port has a plate that needs swapping. but the charging handle and everything else remains the same. so eating brass to the face is the ONE thing you don't have to do with the 'ambidextrous' styer.
Are you having a stroke?
>trigger bad
Who cares, most of you just buy an ultralight drop in trigger for your AR and complain about how the milspec trigger doesn't meet your needs on the flat range
Train more
AUG is a strictly "okay" gun and does nothing particularly good nor bad besides being compact. Steyr release the A3 M2 already you FRICKS.
What build is that? What year?
And how did you that og carry handle scope on a new production aug?
>does nothing particularly good nor bad besides being compact
You say that like "being SMG-sized while being capable out to 300 yards" isn't the raison d'etre of assault rifles in general
I'd argue it's hardly SMG sized when it's still a very thick and relatively dense gun, overall length, sure. I guess for my use case, I don't see much of an advantage for something this compact over a standard configuration 14.5 or even 16" barrel rifle like my SCAR or AR-15. It's still a cool gun and very reliable, I just prefer the other two more.
A3 M1, they occasionally release the A3SF scopes for the M1 which just mounts to the receiver holes where the rail normally does. It's a cool optic but a meme. Obscenely tight eyebox.
>A3 M1
Is that it?
https://atlanticfirearms.com/steyr-aug-a3-m1-green-extended-rail
Yes, that is an A3M1.
Trigger linkage. I have trigger packs and lightning bows and all that shit but the best I have gotten this tavor is slightly better than a basic sw mp trigger. The additional components just frick up having a nice trigger
i did, i own a FAMAS
good gun, i still don't know why people talk shit about bullpup triggers, maybe it's because they only used the AUG and not the rest.
imo, it's a very niche type of weapons made for people that want this kind of stuff, sure you can fit a longer barrel in a tinier gun but then you need to take a look at the rest, especially the aftermarket parts, i still recommend people to try one if they have the chance since they are fun to handle tho.
>i still don't know why people talk shit about bullpup triggers
Because match AR triggers that go off if a butterfly farts on them too hard are the "default" rifle trigger now and milspec triggers from the 80s just won't cut it anymore.
make sense
>left: meant for men (male)
>right: meant for people wearing rainbow thigh-highs who married their male friend for tax reasons
Is there any combination of upper, handguard, barrel, accessories, whatever that won't make an abortion out of this?
https://reapweaponries.com/product/scy/
no
Turning a gun that is not a bullpup into a bullpup is just a bad idea. The FM15 upper is the closest thing to Aug controls you can get on an AR, but it doesn’t allow you to lock the bolt back with the charging handle like you can on an AUG or HK roller gun. Massive oversight that completely ruins the FM15 for me.
In all fairness, you can make the gun VERY small. Even if it's not even slightly ergonomic, it's still a sub-20" SBR with 30 rounds on tap. I bet control manipulations aren't even that bad when you can handle it like a pistol to access the admittedly poorly placed controls.
Besides that, the AR bullpup allows you to use exotic cartridges that will never exist for factory bullpups. You will NEVER see an AUG in .458 SOCOM, or an MDR in .224 Valkyrie without spending thousands on custom parts, but that's trivial work and $500 worth of mass-produced parts on an AR upper.
The challenge is that the charging handle and bolt catch are on the same side of the gun. Locking the bolt open requires you to either be capable of reaching the bolt catch with your fingers or placing the gun on a table so that you can pull the charging handle back and press the bolt catch at the same time. With an ambi lower it might not be so bad, but unsure how the SCY handles that
A bullpup with a reciprocating rear mounted charging handle is just an objectively bad idea
>9½" .223
Why.jpg
This shit is moronic.
CQB gays already do this with normal AR15s because it’s the only way to get a traditional rifle adequately short. Doing it with a bullpup gives you the same ballistics but in an insanely compact package
>sub 10.3” AR-15
Just get .300 blacked if you want it shorter. There’s no point in cucking the rifle and the cartridge that badly
My dude, you need to take a step back for a second and look at what short barrelled 5.56 guns are for - they are REPLACING 9mm subguns. 5.56 blows 9mm way out of the water in basically every regard, that's what short 5.56 guns are so popular. It's not "replacing" a standard 14.5 or 16" barrel rifle.
And .300 blacked does the same job of replacing 9mm sub guns better than 5.56 does without beating your gun to death
There are use cases for both. The MP5SD is absolutely superceded in all respects by a suppressed short barrel 300 blk. But subsonic super sneaky isn't the use case most of the time.
>The MP5SD is absolutely superceded in all respects by a suppressed short barrel 300 blk
Took us nearly half a century but we finally got there.
Well like many things it took enough special operations groups around the globe to b***h loud enough about 5.56 for it to happen.
>Took us nearly half a century
not really
Those guns are both loud as frick, how is that "superseded in all aspects"?
Supersonic .300 blackout exists and in a 9” barrel has similar energy to 5.56 out of a 14.5”
I still think 5.56 is better overall, but if you’re going that short, you should go for something designed for shorter barrels
NTA but all of that is why the MBLR-15 is so interesting to me. Something like 90% of AR-15 parts are supposed to be compatible including the bolt and barrel
>Turning a gun that is not a bullpup into a bullpup is just a bad idea
lol
This is the exact configuration I’m referring to is a terrible idea. It’s one thing if your gun doesn’t work well with lefties, but if you shoot this left handed it will literally tear your face up with the charging handle
the don't shoot it left handed
Someone make a PS90 or F2000 clone already
Neither has any modern military, have you tried telling them they're wrong? Lmao. Lol.
So you're telling me a gaggle of morons knows what weapons are best? And you want to emulate them? Surely you jest
2500€ in the country where they are made
2,5k FRICKING EURO
yes I am buying anything else than an AUG if the money is tight
how cheap are they where you guys are from?
$1600 but I don't know how expensive or cheap that is when converted into euros
I am not sure, but AUGs are also made in US like Glock?
Or are they import only?
on the other hand, our beer and cars are also cheaper in other countries
what is wrong with us
Augs are banned from import by name. Receivers that arnt finished and legally
not guns are made in Austria, shipped over the pond, then finished out Steyr US. FN USA has been making for the US Aug for awhile now.
bullpoops are cool
I'm currently saving up for a Hellion (formerly known as VHS). I got a chance to try one at the range and now I'm obsessed with having my own.
is it impossible to get the VHS top rail thing?
Top rail thing?
I wish someone other than Springfield imported the VHS. I like mine but it seems like everyone shits on it due to the moronic name and the association with Springfield.
Please just call it a VHS. Hellion is such a bad name. I have no idea what Springfield was smoking.
2020 dated stocked aug with 1k rounds on it, no cracks, appears styer has a bad mold they need to replace since 2021-2022, post covid issues shouldn't make anyone fear getting an aug, mine is by far my favorite 5.56 rifle and shoots pmc xm193 around 1 m.o.a
also trigger gays are cringe, aug trigger is no worse than a milspec ar trigger or a shitty k-var ak trigger , is it great? no, useable very much so
That's some pure fricking cope right there
my dick is shorter than average but can still piss the same range, does this mean i am a bullpup?
All dicks are bullpups. The balls are rearward
>AUG trigger
To be honest I'd give no fricks if we could just have full fun otherwise it's been meh.
Also no more brother wars, just bring in the frickin STM 556 Steyr!
>STM 556 Steyr
Kek thats vaporware made out of literal leftovers that will never be produced again in big numbers.
t. good friends with someone that works at steyr austria
Does your father also work at Nintendo?
they're cool until they jam
is that uncomfortable?
i have the regular one and its nice
I really just want to *try* a VHS first but I don't know of a range near me that simply has one to rent.
Range USA had them here in IL before pizza the hut stuck his undersized chode in everything
If you're down in San Antonio the Range USA has one for rental. Though if you're in town I could just lend you mine
I'll buy a bullpup once H&K makes one.
>I'll buy a bullpup once H&K makes one.
>from the wiki
>"The A2 variant came to be as the result of a significant upgrade in the early 2000s by Heckler & Koch and remains in service as of 2023. The A3 variant was first issued in 2018 with several new improvements."
huh, well I'll be dipped.
AKB-23 is SA80 At home
That is so fricking cursed
>SA80 that isn't ugly, has acceptable performance, and isn't a boat anchor
Is it weird that that turns me off? For collectors I imagine the shit factor of the L85 would be a selling point.
You're not alone, that's why I'm so fascinated by the INSAS and I'd love the opportunity to try one just to see how bad it is
Aw m8 I fricked around modis guys, the insas is a piece of shit rifle. Don't even get me started.
Half the Indians refuse to use it, it stays in the armoury, they made small batch procurements of sensible rifles, now they're starting to get AKs in, there are 10 configurations of the insas and all but two were dropped.
India works very closely with isreali defence and India basically wanted a galil type arrangement to standardise. And they took a lot of very isreali features like the funky gas regulator to facilitate unit level rifle grenadiers. Three round burst and low rate of fire were sensible choices.
The insas ergos are bad but not awful, obvious comparison is to AKM
No one is going to invest enough to make clones, that thing is close as I’ll ever get to service rifle of my people
if bullpups were so good you wouldn't have to spam and shitpost these cope threads
i want to get the p90 but honestly, removing the mag on it looks cursed. that or this thing.
Despite how cool the Lynx is, I'm still not quite sure what kind of niche it's supposed to fill that other AMRs don't already.
Probably one of the only ones thats easily shoulder fireable.
Limited use case but If I were looking for an urban enviroment AMR thats the one Id like to have.
I guess the barrel being fully collapsible also makes it extremely easier to carry than other ones, especially in doors.
Please delete this post, Arid has accessories their trying to sell.
How has literally every other bullpup avoided this fate?
it's probably a lack of material or being solid enough in the stock
tavor is literally a a brick that internally explodes in the case of catastrophic malfunction, it's so thick it physically can't break apart
I imagine the VHS is the same with it's fat ass
VHS also needed to be robust enough to not crumble while supporting an easily swappable ejection pattern and adjustable buttstock (god knows why you'd want to extend the buttstock on it though, you'd have to be a fricking giant for that length of pull to be too close).
Bullpups are for homosexuals. have a nice day.
I would but my state is gay and i cant get any of them.
Im hoping the new desert tech rifle fixes everything that people disliked about the mdr. Wolverine is the gayest name they could come up with though.
Given their track record the QC will still be god awful
Watch them go through the same process of unfricking the gun before putting out yet another rifle. I'll wait for all the usual suspects to review this
Sounds like theyre using the same system from the srs/hti so hopefully that helps with the accuracy issues.
I cant tell if all the accessories from the mdr will work but im sure theyre going to have a micron and forend ect.
I'm sure the 556 versions will be fine since the SE 556 mdrxs are fine. I'm sure if there's teething issues it will be on the 308 version
Steyr is great for COIN opps, if you're mechanised or motor infantry the barrel length really does matter. In 2024 body armour is widespread so sidearms are dead weight.
Downsides?
Weight, poor balance, poor triggers. But all relative concerns as you'll find worse conventional rifles still in service.
One thing I will say though, short barrel means a lot of concussion for the operator and that can seriously impact performance. But here's the split, the second you've got a can on a steyr you've got a conventional length rifle again and that's really where the balance for the shooter improves. Having the weight so far back matters if you've got half a pound of can up front.
The smart way to think about this is that a bullpup with a can is as long as an AR without a can, plus you can take the can off for the drive
Oh and let's say you've got long arms. Bulpup becomes awkward. More awkward than it world normally be.
>Long arms
lol, Who has arms longer than the length of pull on the VHS?
>2024
>Was in a military where the service rifle was a famous bullpup
>Literally everyone creamed their pants when we switched to an AR