>2023
>czechs are manufacturing modern self defense black powder breechloaders
Thoughts? I think that they're pretty cute and could pack a serious punch.
>2023. >czechs are manufacturing modern self defense black powder breechloaders
>2023
>czechs are manufacturing modern self defense black powder breechloaders
Thoughts? I think that they're pretty cute and could pack a serious punch.
Link to this particular gun: https://www.detonics.com/en/product/gladiator-450-hd-d4w-professional-143
Doesn't this have something to do with the Czechs having rather unique gun laws by Euro-standards, so these things don't require paperwork to own?
Yeah, Czechs can own and carry normal guns but need a license, these need no license to own and carry.
>these need no license to own and carry.
Im not so sure - you can own a black powder gun without any license, only ID, but it has to be a copy of gun made before 1885.
Different laws in czechia
I think it's up to state law. I remember some felooner getting nabbed for hunting with a modern BP rifle in Florida.
Poles also can conceal carry a silenced gun with just a gun permit
yeah but I can get a gunpowder pistol like this without any permits
>for personal defense in both civil and professional spheres.
Yes, this is what war fighters and law enforcement have been missing, a two shot black powder pistol.
Kind of unrelated, but I've been wanting a modern style semi auto black powder rifle. I just think black powder mixed with modern aesthetics is neat.
>semi auto
>black powder
you get maybe 10 shots before you end up with a bolt action
Maybe make it a .75 cal semi auto stopping rifle, you would only need 5 or 6 shots max for what ever you have to stop. After 1 or 2 mags you could strip it for cleaning.
This makes me wish there were even pump/bolt action black powder guns with magazines. Could be done up as a comfy fudd gun.
There are though you nogunz moron
wasn't this basically every gun like, between 1860 and 1890
literally any gun can be this if you just load them with black powder. You can do that you know, It's not illegal.
A friendly reminder that lever action rifles exist
It's overpriced shit designed to part lazy and/or moronic fricks with their money.
If you aren't a lazy moron, you can get a CCW permit, a Makarov and around 250 rounds of 9x18 for the price of this dumb toy.
t. Czech
Fellow Czech here... It's maddening how expensive all ammo that's not 9x19 is. I don't want to use a meme caliber, sadly.
9x18 is like what, 25-30% more expensive than 9x19 right now?
I was just posting that as an example of a cheap carry gun, getting a secondhand Glock or CZ75 is basically gonna cost the same, without the ammo.
Everything but 9x19 is so expensive... I always wanted a revolver but 38spec is so expensive. And I don't know whether moonclipping 9mm revolvers are a meme or not.
9mm revolvers are fine.
you won't get the feel of shoving those long boys into the chamber one by one, but neither will the classic revolver user get the feel of dumping a whole bunch of rounds into the cylinder at once so I'd say it's a wash.
any recommendations for a carry 9mm 'volver?
if you're going to shoot 9x19 just get a CZ
if you're going to shoot a revolver get .357 magnum
[citation very much needed]
I don't think your weak european wrists can handle .454 Casull so I didn't suggest it
Not him but those are enjoyable and reasonable calibres
what's wrong with 9mm revolvers though? Cheaper ammo, kino moonclips
You have literally no way to load the gun without moon clips. And unlike magazines, moon clips are incredibly easy to lose or damage.
You know what else can use "kino moonclips"? Many .357 magnum revolvers. Except they can also be loaded with individual cartridges or with a speedloaded so you're not reliant on the moonclips.
357 costs twice as much lad
revolvers are swag but they lose 100% of their swag if you chamber them in non-cool cartridges like 9x19
you also shoot less than half as much of it in a typical range session
start reloading if you want to shoot revolvers, otherwise buy a CZ-75B or a P-07 or whatever
I looked into reloading but the gear looks expensive, I'd have to shoot a mad amount to make that money back, no?
it's not about making money it's about making the funny fireballs
also the only thing you really need is a way to clean cases, a very simple press, a precise scale, the actual dies, and like...
a primer thing that puts primers into cases? I wouldn't do that by hand
Ok? Spend twice as much on ammo (maybe less, not sure what 38spl pricing is like for you) or stick with an autoloader to have your cheap ammo and a gun that you can actually reliably fricking load without relying on a flimsy disc. Moonclips are a borderline disposable part that should be looked at as a more carry friendly alternative to speedloaders, not something necessary for the gun to function. They're too easy to damage and any damage renders a gun that relies on them with no other loading option entirely useless.
A hand press costs almost nothing.
Hm you're right, the presses are fairly cheap... Do you reload your ammo? One important thing, how many times can you really reload a casing before it's unusable?
it depends on the case
low pressure revolver cartridges can be used basically indefinitely
high pressure revolver cartridges might actually have a lifespan you can reach
and the gun you're shooting make a big difference as well, you will never reuse anything that comes out of an HK G3 for example
That's neat. Reloaded 38 special might end up cheaper than brand new 9mm in that case (over the long run ofc)
if you can get a pile of dirt cheap primers and powder and then cast your own bullets, yes
but bullet casting is a whole THING
>cast your own bullets
I wouldn't get that deep into the autism just yet
assault x-bows and now this?
felonbros, we eating good tonight
This is neat. It's not a breechloader, that's a godddamn muzzle loader! And you just put a snap cap in the breech. Shame it's so expensive, I'll rather own yet another glock, but still a nice toy.