Why is it 50 times funnier than anything you'll hear from a professional comedian? The timing of >There's humanity out there >What's he emitting?
is immaculate.
It started as funny, then when they destroyed a submarine, it became hilarious.
But now its just sad by now, its like bullying. Sure russia once was a superpower, but everyone know they are not one anymore. It honestly feels like ukraine is the bigger power of the two by now
Dude, they use those landing ships for logistics. And Ukraine needs to hammer the black sea fleet to ensure they can export grain and other goods and they badly need the money. And their customers badly need the grain.
They have remote controlled exploding speedboats made in a giant 3D printer with jetski engines, which is living the dream if you ask me (and no one will) that every 12 year old wants
...but I would have thought the warships of the world's 2nd greatest military would have better defenses against /speedboats/ kek
Maybe I don't have to worry too much about Canada after all, since while we do have a navy, it's ancient stuff, like submarine brought from UK that they were getting rid of...
I'm from Australia, so I'm in no position to judge anyone's navy, it'd be easier to pass a fat chick through a waterslide than to make them ever happy
But if the future is remote controlled speedboats that blow up. I'm kind of ok with this, we just drive around crashing into enemy speedboats and sort out our differences that way
The Russians use those landing ships to store and transport supplies to Crimea, especially with repeated closures on the Crimean bridge. Destroying them absolutely puts greater pressure on Russia's naval logistics.
>transport supplies to Crimea,
not Crimea my friend, the southern landbridge
those ships are pretty much the only thing keeping those troops supplied with the railways under Ukrainian fire control, once they are gone its only a matter of time before the Russians either pull out or get overrun
>with the railways under Ukrainian fire control
Fricking wrong. Tokmak railway is still too far for normal ukie artillery to shell it. Only pzh2000 with special ammo and HIMARS can reach there. Pzh2000 would need to be danger close to the front to shell it and ukies don't have enough ammo for HIMARS to shell railway day after day.
M777 has a range of 24km using conventional rounds and goes out significantly further using base bleed ammunition, the Tokmak junction is very much within range of all their western artillery systems
Even if they did have to rely on the Pzh (70km range with the same ammo) that b***h is more than fast enough to get in and out once an hour without getting shwacked and once an hour with an accurate gun is all you need to keep a railway non functional
Not only does it deprive Russia of transport infrastructure that would be useful when the bridge is taken out, it also deprives them of amphibious capability in a pot4ential assault on Odessa which although unlikely still pressures Ukraine to keep troops in the city so as not to be caught off-guard. In eliminating Russia's capacity entirely, this frees up defences to be used elsewhere in the conflict.
And yes, they are being used as logistic transports currently, in addition to the above, regardless of what you believe.
Ukraine's summer offensive was also to cut off Russian rail lines in Zaporistia, which it failed to do which is a big deal. If they had cut that off, Russian lines may have collapsed. There's a ticking timer as Russia is planning to build a new rail line outside of artillery range.
Deeply involved, moron. There are tens of thousands of Naval Infantry in Ukraine right now supplementing their light infantry. The NI Guards have been so badly hammered that they've reconstituted multiple times. And without a naval presence, an attack on Crimea would be a fait accompli for Ukraine.
Dont worry, if you are russian you will get mobilized any day now since the "election" is over and putin can get back to soviet meat-wave tactics
Either way, russia is being bled out by more than blood. enjoy your new chinese overlords
Not as badly as russia. Russia accidentally confirmed Ukraine's statistics by confirming at least one of the numbers, the number of severely injured in 2022.
It seems pretty certain now that 400k+ russians have died and over a million seriously wounded.
Who are you trying to convince? Ukrainians have put up solid resistance all through this war. If they hadn't, Russia would have won.
Russia can't win this war by defeating Ukraine on the battlefield and it can't convince the West to end support.
freedom isn't free. that's why russians have had shit leaders for 400 years straight, because they have never dared to fight for a better country to live in
if Ukraine and EU continues what it is doing today, russia will lose this war 100%
before the war russia had a gdp of about 10% of EU, and economy is what will decide this as it has decided every major war in human history
russia is fricked, and putin knows this but has no choice in this conflict anymore, just like hitler he will keep going or lose control of an angry population. so the tactic is to double down until a bullet finds him
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Who are you trying to convince? Ukrainians have put up solid resistance all through this war. If they hadn't, Russia would have won.
Russia can't win this war by defeating Ukraine on the battlefield and it can't convince the West to end support.
Damn that terrorist attack really was real and not false flag when shills are so underproductive lately. I mean, no mass shilling and spamming after getting sevastopol bombed again and best they can do is just quietly whimper about muh draft. Seems they don't know what to do without getting new directions from higher ups. Wagner rebellion all over again.
>We
Drop the act vlad >Russia can afford to bleed like that
no it cant, you need AT MINIMUM 3 to 1 advantage when you are invading otherwise you are fricked
If US couldn't take AFGH, then russia sure as hell cant take UA
Btw, every month I donate 200 EUR to the UA's war effort, and its people like you I think of when I hit send. Are you doing equally much to support russia?
>Artillery shells?
almost out, buying from north korea >Cruise missiles?
almost out, forced to use S300, buying from iran >GDP?
picrel >What....
200 EUR, pure and crisp
Why don't you bless us all with your superior strategic knowledge and explain how exactly the Russians will supply those troops without the throughput offered by those landing ships being fed into the isolated rail section via berdyansk?
Did you miss the part where the rail lines are now cut or are you one of those morons who is somehow unaware of the difference in throughput between rail and road?
OK let me walk you through it
As you are probably not aware, the east/west railway line out of Donetsk city (why this is the only line running along Ukraine's southern coast is a question you would need to ask the Soviets) has been cut just west of Donetsk city since before the start of the war, as the Ukrainians have held positions keeping that stretch of railway within artillery range ever since Russia's initial invasion in 2014 and the Russians have been completely unable to dislodge them.
This was always a problem, but not a critical one since there is also a line heading out of Rostov-on-don, across the Kerch strait and through Crimea by which the troops on the southern landbridge could still be resupplied.
Unfortunately for the Russians, this is no longer the case because while Ukraine's great southern counter offensive might not have gotten them to the black sea it DID get them to a little town called Robotnye, which just so happens to be within artillery range of the Tokmak rail junction.
This means that the rail line servicing the southern land bridge is now cut on both ends, leaving the section between Tokmak and Donetsk city almost completely cut off from rail based resupply, with the only option the Russians have left for the delivery of supply at the necessary scale being the port of Berdyansk
Hopefully, that should be enough for you to figure out why those landing ships were in the area, and why the Ukrainians are targeting them so aggressively
>with the railways under Ukrainian fire control
Fricking wrong. Tokmak railway is still too far for normal ukie artillery to shell it. Only pzh2000 with special ammo and HIMARS can reach there. Pzh2000 would need to be danger close to the front to shell it and ukies don't have enough ammo for HIMARS to shell railway day after day.
M777 has a range of 24km using conventional rounds and goes out significantly further using base bleed ammunition, the Tokmak junction is very much within range of all their western artillery systems
Even if they did have to rely on the Pzh (70km range with the same ammo) that b***h is more than fast enough to get in and out once an hour without getting shwacked and once an hour with an accurate gun is all you need to keep a railway non functional
you don't have the first fricking clue about the weapons systems involved here and how far out they can reach
You're right, by accident i wrongly checked distance and i doubled it, my bad. But still, in long time i didn't heard anything about ukies shelling tokmak and even russian sources don't mention logistic issues on southern front. it seems either ukies don't have enough artillery rounds to shell tokmak because of all ammunition shortages or it's just too dangeours to keep artillery in that little pocket around robotyne.
The Russians don't tend to report their logistical issues and the ukies keep quiet about everything except designated propaganda slop for the masses, that's why you aren't hearing about it
>The Russians don't tend to report their logistical issues
Uh huh, excluding all zigger soldiers tho like to complain about everything that happened to them on telegram.
1 month ago
Anonymous
those guys don't really provide a whole lot of insight into theatre wide supply issues, though they sure are funny to watch
also bear in mind that these are the official figures and as this war has repeatedly demonstrated western militaries consistently and deliberately underplay how capable their systems actually are
we've seen the ukies driving patriot batteries up to the front lines and you doubt that they would risk towed artillery to keep a vital russian supply line out of action?
fair, but the M777 makes a good yardstick in my opinion due to its relatively short range
If they can hit it with an M777, then they can hit it with anything
so we've now moved to the point of just straight up denying reality?
Or are you one of those wacky conspiracy theorists claiming that those AWACS were shot down by F16?
Even if they did fire from as far away as Orkhiv, one excalibre round (40 km pinpoint range) per track, per day, is about all they need to keep the rail line closed.
Seems wasteful to use a guided shell on a stationary target, base bleed shells fired from the right guns can make that distance just as easily for a fraction of the price
Not exactly. Russian military is moronic but one of exceptions is their Railway Troops who are pretty good when it comes to repairing railways. ukies would need more firepower than 1 shell per day to keep it closed.
I'm no expert but from watching crews replace old tracks in peacetime, that weren't blown to shit along with the ground underneath, it's not exactly a quick process.
are you aware that what you just said was total bullshit? the ukies are in the tree lines south of the town, not north of it
all of Robotnye and a good chunk of the surrounding countryside is under Ukrainian control and has been since the counter offensive "failed"
as a bonus, the M777 has the shortest range of their western made big guns and is therefore the only piece they wouldn't be able to use if they were firing from positions north of the town and even then that is only if they are using conventional shells, base bleed shells can still easily make that distance with range to spare
> Still no passport
Literally everything you have to say is worthless
I wouldn't even bother giving you a (you) but it's clear there's one or two morons in the thread who somehow haven't picked up in the fact that nobody would drag a meaningless debate on this long unless they were getting paid.
I'm going to email my representatives again to send ukes tomahawks and tell them I don't care where they use them.
hopefully they'll blow up lots of Russian "civilians".
>I don't know what that was
so you are trying to claim a position of superior military knowledge despite somehow having never heard of an AWACS?
or that first ever AWACS to be shot down in history was a russian airframe downed over the black sea by Ukraine?
Did you emerge from crysostasis and immediately navigate to this thread or something? what was it like living in the 1940's?
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OK let me walk you through it
As you are probably not aware, the east/west railway line out of Donetsk city (why this is the only line running along Ukraine's southern coast is a question you would need to ask the Soviets) has been cut just west of Donetsk city since before the start of the war, as the Ukrainians have held positions keeping that stretch of railway within artillery range ever since Russia's initial invasion in 2014 and the Russians have been completely unable to dislodge them.
This was always a problem, but not a critical one since there is also a line heading out of Rostov-on-don, across the Kerch strait and through Crimea by which the troops on the southern landbridge could still be resupplied.
Unfortunately for the Russians, this is no longer the case because while Ukraine's great southern counter offensive might not have gotten them to the black sea it DID get them to a little town called Robotnye, which just so happens to be within artillery range of the Tokmak rail junction.
This means that the rail line servicing the southern land bridge is now cut on both ends, leaving the section between Tokmak and Donetsk city almost completely cut off from rail based resupply, with the only option the Russians have left for the delivery of supply at the necessary scale being the port of Berdyansk
Hopefully, that should be enough for you to figure out why those landing ships were in the area, and why the Ukrainians are targeting them so aggressively
and maybe consider reading the whole thread before running your pretty little mouth next time
that stuff you don't care about is the reason we know a patriot was on the front lines
nothing else in the current ukie inventory has the range and precision to hit an airborne target at that distance
Nobody said they were destroyed. They were damaged but there's no footage to claim they were destroyed beyond repair.
I mean that's true for now. We only have the amateur footage which shows explosions, and they comment they think it hit the ships. We need to wait until satalite footage shows the extent of the damage. But in the past cruise misiles have fricked up ships hard.
Was it loaded with artillery shells like usual? Might have set off secondaries.
No, I'm still here for the total zigger death on the fields of Ukraine and then continuing on to kill at least half of Russia's population with starvation and purges.
But I'm a moderate
The west (or at least america) doesn’t want Ukraine to win, they merely want to be sure Ukraine doesn’t lose.
The west has no vision for what to do with Russia. They have no plan for Russian or the region and it leaves them reactive, it’s part of why Putin had enjoyed repeated regional successes in the past. He finally stepped just a hair over the line but I honestly think if he’d just taken the area that is currently occupied the west might have done nothing at all.
This is only beginning to change, but really, America and much of the west doesn’t want Putin out. They’re almost as scared of the 90s again as he is, and ditto with Libya and Syria. Libya they succeeded in their play but at what cost? And Syria was plunged into chaos for no gain and huge domestic unrest in Europe. They installed Yeltsin in Russia for a reason, because a strongman thug in charge of a large military and nuclear arsenals better than civil war, chaos, Islamists and warlordism feuding over military stockpiles and nukes. We all talk about the brutality of grozny but can you imagine if Chechen Islamists were free to send small arms, RPGs and actual military vehicles across the world? Or god forbid if some moron like Medvedev or Islamist got their hands on nukes? That’s at least how the US sees it
A stable adversary is better than an unstable one. And so Putin will be bled and then when Russia goes back to its corner the west will probably shift gears, slowly, back towards attempting to use liberalism and market forces to slowly shift them into a liberal democracy in the fringes of the west.
Those 2 ships were hauling roughly 1200 tons of artillery shells and drones.
That's about 80 rail cars.
Ships allow you to haul more faster. Take out the hauling ships that can unload with their own cranes, everything has to go through rail. Rail can be severed constantly very easy.
The entire modern world is built on steel ships. If we had wood ships we couldn't haul as much and most of the world would die.
This is why America is obsessed with air, space and naval ships. It's just basic reality. Rail cars, trucks, airplanes nothing can replace the cost, speed and weight a boat could do. They effectively just deprived the Russians of 2,000,000 lbs a week of mostly artillery shells
YOU are not ukrainian, you can stop this moronic charade now.
i mean, do you really wake up in the morning and do this and believe that it will work? why aren't there any other ukrainians to corroborate your claims? there's plenty of actual ukrainians on here.
subhumans like you can't get it into your heads that you're not as smart as you think you are, you're not being sneaky. you're like a baby telling me you didn't eat all the cookies with your face smeared in chocolate, that's you.
then prove it?
no other ukrainians have corroborated your claims, and this is not a new phenomenon.
this tactic just doesn't work vanya, it's i get second-hand embarrassment watching you double down, are you suffering from a mental affliction that doesn't allow you to be self-aware? i liken you to a kid who thinks he's hiding by putting a pillow in front of his face, you realize we can still see you, right?
>I-IMAGINE IF IT WAS TRUE THO
and if it was you'd prove it, plenty of unique photographs you could've made that wouldn't dox you or reveal sensitive data, there's multiple other ukrainian fighters on here who do this semi-regularly.
>P-PLEASE BE SCARED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY >H-HYPOTHETICALLY I COULD BE AND W-WHAT THEN HUH?
do you notice how defensive and completely unconvincing that sounds?
haha, no, regular soldiers talk about the suck and how fighting is hard, they don't literally repeat russian propaganda word for word lmao. >le aid stopped coming in 6 months ago
like really now, how moronic are you, do they give you a funny little hat to identify you with?
[...] >I-IMAGINE IF IT WAS TRUE THO
and if it was you'd prove it, plenty of unique photographs you could've made that wouldn't dox you or reveal sensitive data, there's multiple other ukrainian fighters on here who do this semi-regularly.
>P-PLEASE BE SCARED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY >H-HYPOTHETICALLY I COULD BE AND W-WHAT THEN HUH?
do you notice how defensive and completely unconvincing that sounds?
*ukrainian
this guy is definitively not a ukrainian, so if he's gonna be on a frontline, he'll likely get domed by a ukrainian.
Even better if a russian puts one between his eyes then
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then prove it?
no other ukrainians have corroborated your claims, and this is not a new phenomenon.
this tactic just doesn't work vanya, it's i get second-hand embarrassment watching you double down, are you suffering from a mental affliction that doesn't allow you to be self-aware? i liken you to a kid who thinks he's hiding by putting a pillow in front of his face, you realize we can still see you, right?
watch, he's gonna go back to cum/chug/ and complain that /k/ is an echochamber because his trolling is so easily detected and everyone makes fun of him.
It's not a metaphor, I suppose.
In russian, cruise missiles are called "winged rockets"(there's no word for missile in russian, everything from grad munitions to icbm is a "rocket").
Sevastopol was attacked with storm shadows(allegedly). SS is a cruise missile, "winged one".
They are going for clipper bows. They take forever and are hard to make. Cost a shit ton of money. Certain boats are the best by far but hard to make. The bows, engines and electronic systems are a pain to make. Everything else is plug in.
>they're more worried about ukrainians screenshotting them and laughing at them than actually communicating the reality of the situation to eachother
man being in a face-saving culture must be really fricking tiring, here in swampland we're not even fake friendly with eachother, how does one cope with so many layers of constant shame.
yeah. a lot of russian telegram sources confirming this. thirteen not a long ago made a video crying about it on his telegram channel and was forced to quickly delete his post by fsb, kek.
i'm aware ukraine is on short supply, i'm also aware that aid didn't stop flowing 6 months ago and all the weird concern trolling you did in the beginning about the >think about le poor ukrainian conscripts
shit was pretty classic too.
>JUST WATCH >YOU'RE GONNA REGRET IT >WHAT IF I REALLY AM A UKRAINIAN HUH >HOW TERRIBLE WOULD IT BE IF >I CARE SO MUCH ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK I'M UKRAINIAN
why doesn't he understand nobody in that position would actually talk like that, why are vatBlack folk so bad at self-awareness?
>HAHA GUYS LOOK AT THIS SCREENSHOT OF A THREAD WHERE I PRETEND TO BE UKRAINIAN AND THE STUPID /K/OPERS WONT BELIEVE ME AAAAAAAAA
being a chugger is an empty existence.
If the Ukrainians are smart they'll hit oil refineries and black sea cargo boats.they need cut down the tonnage getting to those soldiers. Boats being gone means gasoline will be used by trucks at insane rates.
>one last desperate attempt
you realize no actual ukrainian would approach a conversation like this right, i've spoken to many ukrainians and none of them act the way you do, the desperation with which you want to convince people but then simultaniously say it's too much effort.
real people do not talk like this, homie.
Yeah all the real Ukrainians I've met have been like >oh yeah I did x during the first few months, I did some medical training, a few guys from my area went to war and died, frick Russians
to >I just want this war to end, we kill a bunch of people and lose people but that doesn't mean we have to surrender
to >I HATE RUSSIANS. HATE HATE HATE HATE. DEATH TO ALL RUSSIANS. I HAVE KILLED 13 RUSSIANS AND I THIRST FOR THE BLOOD OF MORE RUSSIANS.
But none of them do this moronic sticking-around-to-mock-you shit. They just call you moronic and move on.
you have been talking exactly like that for the last hour, and the intolerable unwarranted smugness is exactly the same as one of the many mentally ill lolcows that now infest /k/.
still no timestamp
gonna tell us just how much you dont care that we think you're not ukrainian again? gonna tell us how smug you are because you really actually are?
schizo's really don't realize that what's in their own little world is not seen in the same way by everyone else. to everyone else, you don't look like the spitting image of a ukrainian, impossible to detect, you just look like a massive moron trying to put a mask in front of his face.
it's the same guy still very desperately trying to convince everyone he's ukrainian right now, he doesn't understand how badly the butthurt seeps through his words.
> cтyлиш вpeштi cвoю хaлyпy
The sequence of words is incorrect, this is typical for Google Translate. So the Russians are so stupid that they use propaganda money on PrepHole, kek.
>Just remember it next ti you crave proofs from me.
Not only do we not really care about "proofs", but, if you really are ukie, you should know it's utterly, genuinely moronic to distribute anything from your posting in the first place.
you really don't understand that doubling down only convinced the few people who might've actually believed you at first that you're just a very desperate seething lolcow.
your toddler-tier psyop attempt might've actually been effective had you shut up after the first few posts lmao.
we really should re-open the crazy asylums, i can't believe we're letting mentally ill schizoids like this roam free on the web.
all of them should be put in the same room with a camera, for lulz. >inb4 yeah these guys who dont believe me truly ar-
no, YOU, you're clearly not fit for free society, you'll probably rape one of your family members like chris-chan if you keep staying on the internet and letting all the deserved mockery eat away at you.
>proof
lmao, you're that homosexual who posts pictures of his pants and boots from time to time. As if that's the ultimate form of proof, and you can't think of anything better.
I don't think you are capable of realizing how funny you are to the rest of us with your constant whinging and pretending. Hell, even if you were actually Ukranian,
that would just make it funnier. It would mean that you're a moronic grunt who has no idea what the frick he is talking about, but keeps coming here to be mocked.
Won't be the first one, nor the last.
https://i.imgur.com/K15Gm05.jpg
destroyed two 112-m-long large Ropucha-class landing ships in Crimea last night
Not that many landing ships left. A beautiful strike on their logistics. Really hope they get another sub soon though, just for the lulz
>i am not here to convince you... >soooo...you convinced yet?
no, but you can keep seething that your really lame attempt at trolling failed utterly and got flung into a dumpster, the seethe is delicious, not even the first time i've seen it happen too.
except it's not, and now you're just wallowing in your own sadness
the derail of the thread means nothing btw, people will make another one and continue to make fun of you for being moronic ziggers.
Я тoбi тaкe cкaжy, a чи дiйдe чи нi, цe вжe пoдивимocь: якщo ти cпитaєш y випaдкoвoгo coлдaтa нa фpoнтi, щo тaкe iпco, вiн нa тeбe тiльки глянe, як нa якoгocь iдioтa. A ти живeш в cвoємy мaняcвiтi, дe iпco - цe щocь peaльнe i мoжe нaвiть вaжливe. Дoбpe, тpoхи poзжyвaв, бo тyпий жe.
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i agree; we should send a million shells to ukraine - many of them guided
Oh and the Czech super genius plan to get a million shells to Ukraine? Buy them outside of Europe. That's it. That's the genius plan. Why the hell didn't anyone think of that before? There was some stupid regulation it had to be NATO or European aligned countries.
No, use the entire world as Ukraine's factory. Duh.
the Czechs are simply the designated brokers slash "fall guys" of the shell story, they will conveniently vanish the paper trail of where the shells are coming from
it's understood that these are from contributors who wish the source of the shells to be obfuscated. that's hard to do in a a highly rigidly law abiding society like for example the UK
Assuming you are ukie, your military fricked up the summer offensive, and waited too long before starting to look for ammo outside of NATO (with or without NATO intermediaries), preferring instead to trust the historically unreliable US support.
he's not a ukie, he's made it incredibly clear throughout this thread with his seething and early on with flatout incorrent information how non-ukie he is.
watch him tell you how much he doesn't need you to believe it again.
We fricked it up because it was impossible to succeed with what we had. Our infantry was great though, the key word was.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Then why try, if you knew it wouldn't work in the first place?
1 month ago
Anonymous
We didn't know it beforehand obviously. Even I believed we'd get to Melitopol in no time. We were pumped and ready, as infantry. But there was only so much infantry could do.
I'm sure if you gave our stuff to the Americans and told them to break through those defensive lines with almost no air presence, they'd laugh at you.
1 month ago
Anonymous
But that's the thing, high command was most likely aware of how heavy the defenses were. Just seems to me that the leadership felt goaded into doing "something" because the Western leaders were making noises about all the great support they had provided, if only the ukies would do something with all the stuff they received. Which got high command railroaded into a particular hopium-heavy course of action.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah, the counteroffensive was widely advertised here, everyone was overconfident. At some point our president had no choice but to proceed despite any warnings because he's mainly a media figure like Trump and not a real statesman like Churchill.
We were still at our absolute peak back then. You wouldn't believe how low we fell, and I don't think we would ever recover our infantry to a decent level. And without infantry you can't take land back. I just hope we won't lose much more.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I think blaming Zele is somewhat misplaced. He makes decisions based on what info he's fed. And I'd say a fair number of military people suffered from overconfidence, or felt pressured just like he was. Also while he may have given the go-ahead, the actual execution wasn't on him. Had high command went with a foot assault from the start, they would've discovered the defenses were way stronger than anticipated without getting a shitton of expensive equipment converted into scrap (and the crews into mincemeat). Also, they seemed exceedingly hesitant to call the whole thing off, once it started going sideways.
1 month ago
Anonymous
We switched to small tactical groups almost immediately, and 90% of our equipment was lost slowly, bit by bit. Almost none of it was replaced, so that's another problem - very shallow reserves.
I blame equally the Americans and our leadership for it. The only right choice was to dig in and wait for the planes. But even now when the lessons are learnt, the support ongly grows weaker, which is turning this mess into a generational war. The absolute worst outcome after such a promising start.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>We switched to small tactical groups almost immediately, and 90% of our equipment was lost slowly, bit by bit.
Why continue pushing into what were going to be frantically-defended areas, once you got a real look at how tough the opposition was going to be? Why not go "welp, we're not going to push through, the pidors are too rabid, and heavily dug in, we should pack up before we lose too much". >Almost none of it was replaced, so that's another problem - very shallow reserves.
But that's the thing. There were never going to be any real reserves. You can't set up heavy vehicle factories in Ukraine, because they'd get whacked by missiles. You can't get a lot of stuff from abroad either, because there's not enough available, and production is slow. You need to guard what you already have, and use it as sparingly as possible.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah, the counteroffensive was widely advertised here, everyone was overconfident. At some point our president had no choice but to proceed despite any warnings because he's mainly a media figure like Trump and not a real statesman like Churchill.
We were still at our absolute peak back then. You wouldn't believe how low we fell, and I don't think we would ever recover our infantry to a decent level. And without infantry you can't take land back. I just hope we won't lose much more.
this posts reeks of curry
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Why not go "welp, we're not going to push through, the pidors are too rabid, and heavily dug in, we should pack up before we lose too much".
Why indeed. I have no idea why it took them so long to abort.
>You need to guard what you already have, and use it as sparingly as possible.
It's not gonna happen. Mayeriel in a war like this is fundamentally disposable. Whole brigades are disposable and only last for a few months before requiring a deep restoration. It's a neverending process, that's why we got a single fricking Browning mg in our battalion and the pidors ride golf cars.
1 month ago
Anonymous
So, are you gonna post pic with timestamp or you gonna continue humiliating yourself shitskin
1 month ago
Anonymous
Well, my final point is that, yes, the situation is quite a bit frickier than in March 2023, but nevertheless you lot have to keep hanging on. There's genuinely no point to any other course of action, regardless of Western support levels. The pidors will never stop trying to conquer you and beat you into the dirt, for the capital crime of trying to live better than them. One way or another, today, tomorrow, in a decade's time, they'll keep coming for you, as long as their slavemasters keep acting the way they do. So why should you stop trying to defend?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Why are you even speaking to that turd, guy is concern troll/defeatist/falseflagging shill pretending to be ukrainian. Nothing he says is genuine concern or remotely true, only mishmash of lies and half truths.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I've heard from one Ukr marine that the only way to win is to completely annihilate the Russian logistics
1 month ago
Anonymous
It's a pipe dream, won't ever happen unless the Americans send a bunch of F-35 and bomb everything to dust.
you can't go to the store because you're a russoid and there is no food in the store, or because you're a pajeet and there's a wall of shit blocking the entrance.
>m-maybe i haven't been completely found out yet >m-maybe they're still questioning >m-maybe if i keep posting i can convince them
no to all 3 zigger, if you guys were as good at warfare as you were at doubling down pointlessly, you'd have won the war by now.
This has got to be the funniest post I've read all week. But hey, maybe you're right. If only they could take back embarrassing the frick out of the Russians for the umpteenth time lmao. Go back to b***hing that Ukraine has been given somewhat of a level playing field because they have access to buy weapons.
you stupid homosexual, a brigade only having 5 shells per night means any basic infantry battalion armed only with small arms and shoulder fired rockets could destroy them. If that was common amongst Ukrainian units they would all have already been destroyed.
>The only way to revitalise our offensive potential is to start drafting young people
That should've been done from the beginning, in order to get people over the shock of the draft. Sure, you'd have to deal with dodging, and long-term regularized dodging is corrosive to social cohesiveness, but it has to start at some point. You can't keep pretending your country isn't facing an existential threat. >That's why we had to use that one chance.
It was left to go on too long, especially after your guys nearly managed to break through, but got checked by that regiment composed of every pidor elite unit remnant blobbed together. But I get the generalized feeling at the time, of needing to roll the dice.
[...]
If Ukrainian brigades only have enough artillery for 5 rounds per night why are they not getting wiped out in massed ground attacks smart guy?
In fairness to that dude, they keep getting pushed back as we speak.
pushed back few kilometers in the east after thousands dead Russians and no Ukrainian battalions getting wiped out in a single attack with hundreds to thousands dead like would happen if they had no artillery. A brigade with 5 artillery shells per night is way too fricking low for anything happening in the war right now.
>Losing our future generation is arguably worse than losing the war.
If the homosexuals fully get their claws into you, there will be no future. You will not be allowed the luxury of getting to choose one. Just look at the Belorussians next door.
They don't need to absorb you, in fact, they don't want to. They want to delete your very existence. Read up on what they do to your abducted children. Heck, several of their officials even confirmed what they are doing.
That's just wishful thinking on your part. Remember that the homosexual-in-chief believes you are "unsalvageable" because you rebelled in December 2013, kept moving westwards between 2014 and 2021, and didn't fold in February 2022. You will be purged in a second Holodomor. Again, by contrast, the Belorussians were spared the worst excesses because a) they've been ruled by Luka since times immemorial; b) they folded back in summer 2021. You kept being defiant, so you will be shattered. Chief homosexual said as much, in that hastily withdrawn article from 26th Feb 2022. Therefore, there's no real cost to resisting. The result of defeat is the same as the result of surrender. You will not be treated any more leniently if you acquiesce their demands.
>Thread about more black sea sinking kino >Being detailed by a "Ukrainian" doomer with 2 year old "trust me bro, complete collapse at the front" bullshit
Totally organic, very believable, am Ivan Smith Texas Oblast ect.
Proofs?
trust me bro
Ukrainians claimed it.
https://t.me/AFUStratCom/23331
>waah I can't google a telegram account for like 30 seconds
>everything has to be spoonfed
Stop using mobile you fricking cow.
>just install russian malware!
>what could possibly go wrong?
Actual moron.
my ass
it's subterranean war, losses on land, air, water and in Russian cities don't matter
>subterranean war
IDIOT. This utter moron doesn't even know about the Phlogiston-on-Don. What a FOOL he is.
Casualties, land, infrastructure, and material losses don’t matter in modern warfare.
Black Smoke Fleet
I'm more partial to ACK! Sea fleet personally.
Nah, it's Lack Sea Fleet now
Blyat Sea Fleet
snib snab :DDDD
https://twitter.com/chrisschmitz/status/1771672456857625043
Can someone dot moe that?
>fin will not heal
Zisters…
>fin status: unhealable
>A ship?
>Yeah you know it
>There's humanity out there.
>What's he emitting?
I'm gonna... I'm gonnna I'm gonnnnaaa PONTOOOOOOON!!!!
Why are two Americans in Sevastopol and why is one using "humanity" in the sense "crowd" like it's 1934?
AI translation. Which explains why it sounds weird.
Why is it 50 times funnier than anything you'll hear from a professional comedian? The timing of
>There's humanity out there
>What's he emitting?
is immaculate.
"The whole steering wheel"
>The fin, it's not gonna heal
here are those last 5 larger frigates hiding? Those are the ones I want to see get hit.
Where
It started as funny, then when they destroyed a submarine, it became hilarious.
But now its just sad by now, its like bullying. Sure russia once was a superpower, but everyone know they are not one anymore. It honestly feels like ukraine is the bigger power of the two by now
Dude, they use those landing ships for logistics. And Ukraine needs to hammer the black sea fleet to ensure they can export grain and other goods and they badly need the money. And their customers badly need the grain.
>It honestly feels like ukraine is the bigger power of the two by now
Does Ukraine even have a navy?
not really
They have remote controlled exploding speedboats made in a giant 3D printer with jetski engines, which is living the dream if you ask me (and no one will) that every 12 year old wants
...but I would have thought the warships of the world's 2nd greatest military would have better defenses against /speedboats/ kek
Maybe I don't have to worry too much about Canada after all, since while we do have a navy, it's ancient stuff, like submarine brought from UK that they were getting rid of...
I'm from Australia, so I'm in no position to judge anyone's navy, it'd be easier to pass a fat chick through a waterslide than to make them ever happy
But if the future is remote controlled speedboats that blow up. I'm kind of ok with this, we just drive around crashing into enemy speedboats and sort out our differences that way
not a good week for Russia
Is this why ziggers are so uppity today?
That plus Belgorod plus the shit in Moscow.
What happened in Belgorod?
They've been shelling it basically daily and doing drone attacks anon.
Oh.
>destroyed two 112-m-long large Ropucha-class landing ships in Crimea last night
Big if true.
>destroyed
It says "hit"
They returned to port under their own power?
Mb, mb not. Would be cool if they are destroyed, would be good if it's a direct hit (since it probably won't be repaired), but who knows
I hope not, but we shouldn't measure our eggs before they leave the roosters ass.
>ufw you will never understand everything as the eggs are measured and the panic is non-existing
https://files.catbox.moe/5ggocr.mp3
MOTHER OF GOD
>potatoes peeled
lost it in my kitchen, making chili
is there a full version of this? it seems truncated.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good shit
More shitting on the joke of a vatnik navy. What a great sight to wake up to. Now I will smile for the whole day.
On such a day i like to picture myself as Nux from Mad Max.
"Oh what a day. What a beatiful day".
Umm wasn't Bykov also hit a fe weeks back?? Kinda stopped keeping track of what's been promoted to submersible.
▶BELBEK AIRBASE
Tu134/154 seen departing – 2hr ago.
>https://files.catbox.moe/ns8yhj.jpg
▶GVARDEYSKOYE AIRBASE
Oil fire today – drone attack.
>https://files.catbox.moe/j4jk1a.jpg
▶SEVASTOPOL CITY
Comm center hit – minor damage visible (broken windows).
>https://files.catbox.moe/fo2lr2.jpg
▶SEVASTOPOL HARBOR
2x ropucha hit – hanging out since end of Feb.
>https://files.catbox.moe/z58zid.jpg
>https://files.catbox.moe/8tnkr9.jpg
>hanging out since end of Feb.
Didn't they withdraw the entire fleet after the kilo submarine got hit? Wtf were they doing hanging out there?
Supply. They use these ships as mobile warehouses.
Big mobilisation coming up, need to bring more shit in. Guess the bridge isn't cutting it.
>ubisoft sign
>AIRBUS
>military satellite pics
what is even happening
Airbus makes satellites, among other things.
Xaxaxaxa you fools those landing ships were filled with Ukrainian PoWs and NATO generals
no you may not see them.
>that don't take any part in the war
Cope. These are used for transport because the bridge alone isn't enough.
The Russians use those landing ships to store and transport supplies to Crimea, especially with repeated closures on the Crimean bridge. Destroying them absolutely puts greater pressure on Russia's naval logistics.
>transport supplies to Crimea,
not Crimea my friend, the southern landbridge
those ships are pretty much the only thing keeping those troops supplied with the railways under Ukrainian fire control, once they are gone its only a matter of time before the Russians either pull out or get overrun
>with the railways under Ukrainian fire control
Fricking wrong. Tokmak railway is still too far for normal ukie artillery to shell it. Only pzh2000 with special ammo and HIMARS can reach there. Pzh2000 would need to be danger close to the front to shell it and ukies don't have enough ammo for HIMARS to shell railway day after day.
M777 has a range of 24km using conventional rounds and goes out significantly further using base bleed ammunition, the Tokmak junction is very much within range of all their western artillery systems
Even if they did have to rely on the Pzh (70km range with the same ammo) that b***h is more than fast enough to get in and out once an hour without getting shwacked and once an hour with an accurate gun is all you need to keep a railway non functional
>We didn't need those ships anyway
>they weren't doing nuffings
Got that one scratched off my poofinger BINGO! card.
And again, ISIS claimed the attack. They used long range cruise missiles provided by Israel.
This is getting out of hand.
Might as well take credit for everything if Putin is going to rudely assign their success to Ukraine/the CIA.
They're hammering Russian logistics again.
Can I see them?
And what if the bridge is closed? or, I don't know, something blows it up?
Not only does it deprive Russia of transport infrastructure that would be useful when the bridge is taken out, it also deprives them of amphibious capability in a pot4ential assault on Odessa which although unlikely still pressures Ukraine to keep troops in the city so as not to be caught off-guard. In eliminating Russia's capacity entirely, this frees up defences to be used elsewhere in the conflict.
And yes, they are being used as logistic transports currently, in addition to the above, regardless of what you believe.
Ukraine's summer offensive was also to cut off Russian rail lines in Zaporistia, which it failed to do which is a big deal. If they had cut that off, Russian lines may have collapsed. There's a ticking timer as Russia is planning to build a new rail line outside of artillery range.
Deeply involved, moron. There are tens of thousands of Naval Infantry in Ukraine right now supplementing their light infantry. The NI Guards have been so badly hammered that they've reconstituted multiple times. And without a naval presence, an attack on Crimea would be a fait accompli for Ukraine.
No one said anything about being faster. Speed is not the factor here. You're really showing everyone how thick you are.
>we didn't need those two landing ships critical to the ammo supply for the southern sectors
The pidor/pooinloo butthurt fuels me
Two more weeks to Kiev!
Two more snarky posts to liberate Ukraine!
>snarky
Holy shit it's a time travelling redditor from 2009
>SMO
opinion discarded
Anon, don't be hard on him, if he doesn't use the approved terminology Putin is sending him to take Robotyne.
its insane what drones can do these days
pic rel is from an "special operations" drone unit
>are drones the new tier 1 battlefield/maritime operators?
What's he emitting?
you mean
at 4 seconds?
that's the turret popping off
its IR heat sensing cameras, so its able to sens the body temp of humans and tanks alike
>Ukraine keeps achieving more and more victories in Russian rear
>this somehow means Russia is winning
Strategic flexibility is confusing and scary to Russians, they like to just see it as cowardice.
good things take time. first you have to bleed out the russians, you know the ww1 classic. then putins "SMO/war" will practically implode on itself
Can you blame it? I'd rather risk death than live under Russia's control.
Death is always preferable to any zigger-tier existence.
Dont worry, if you are russian you will get mobilized any day now since the "election" is over and putin can get back to soviet meat-wave tactics
Either way, russia is being bled out by more than blood. enjoy your new chinese overlords
Not as badly as russia. Russia accidentally confirmed Ukraine's statistics by confirming at least one of the numbers, the number of severely injured in 2022.
It seems pretty certain now that 400k+ russians have died and over a million seriously wounded.
Who are you trying to convince? Ukrainians have put up solid resistance all through this war. If they hadn't, Russia would have won.
Russia can't win this war by defeating Ukraine on the battlefield and it can't convince the West to end support.
people who want to be drafted are called volunteers
freedom isn't free. that's why russians have had shit leaders for 400 years straight, because they have never dared to fight for a better country to live in
if Ukraine and EU continues what it is doing today, russia will lose this war 100%
before the war russia had a gdp of about 10% of EU, and economy is what will decide this as it has decided every major war in human history
russia is fricked, and putin knows this but has no choice in this conflict anymore, just like hitler he will keep going or lose control of an angry population. so the tactic is to double down until a bullet finds him
this
Damn that terrorist attack really was real and not false flag when shills are so underproductive lately. I mean, no mass shilling and spamming after getting sevastopol bombed again and best they can do is just quietly whimper about muh draft. Seems they don't know what to do without getting new directions from higher ups. Wagner rebellion all over again.
>the totally-a-Ukrainian poster
My god I wish you'd frick off.
>We
Drop the act vlad
>Russia can afford to bleed like that
no it cant, you need AT MINIMUM 3 to 1 advantage when you are invading otherwise you are fricked
If US couldn't take AFGH, then russia sure as hell cant take UA
Btw, every month I donate 200 EUR to the UA's war effort, and its people like you I think of when I hit send. Are you doing equally much to support russia?
> Btw, every month I donate 200 EUR to the UA's war effort
What charity and for what specifically? Fpv uavs are the most bang for your buck with the highest vatnik deaths.
>What charity and for what specifically?
United24 -> drones
Blågula Bilen -> logistics
>Two more weeks?
Two more years
Fpv uav’s are the most boring and practical, but vehicles are the coolest. Let’s hope some of those trucks are turned into anti air technicals.
>Fpv uav’s are the most boring
>Hours of entertainment from grenade drop videos
>3 to 1 what? Artillery shells? Cruise missiles? Tanks? GDP?
You're not even hiding youre moronic shill kek
>When you have nothing to say, you got the option of saying nothing. Use it.
>Artillery shells?
almost out, buying from north korea
>Cruise missiles?
almost out, forced to use S300, buying from iran
>GDP?
picrel
>What....
200 EUR, pure and crisp
if you haven't read about the supply chain issues during amphibious invasions in ww2 please frick off of the board ty
>And the vatgroid shows himself
Like clockwork
what happens when you have an area you can't supply by road/rail/barge and you suddenly have an extreme logistical demand, fricking stupid c**t?
Why don't you bless us all with your superior strategic knowledge and explain how exactly the Russians will supply those troops without the throughput offered by those landing ships being fed into the isolated rail section via berdyansk?
>in reality they are getting systematically obliterated on the battlefield
Lol
Lmao even
Did you miss the part where the rail lines are now cut or are you one of those morons who is somehow unaware of the difference in throughput between rail and road?
>Millions of Ukrainians don't want to be drafted.
Millions of Ukrainians don't want to be slaves under Russian rule
>Russia can afford to bleed like that, Ukraine can't.
EVROPE will soon be there to help, no worries.
this
this is what i pay my taxes for
>missile hit
I thought it was a scuttling charge malfunction...
nope,
was a russian missile exercise with wrong radar lock
You lost another TWO, Andrei?
>Sure, but they also don't want to be drafted.
Anon, nobody wants to be drafted, otherwise they would be enlisted volunteers
OK let me walk you through it
As you are probably not aware, the east/west railway line out of Donetsk city (why this is the only line running along Ukraine's southern coast is a question you would need to ask the Soviets) has been cut just west of Donetsk city since before the start of the war, as the Ukrainians have held positions keeping that stretch of railway within artillery range ever since Russia's initial invasion in 2014 and the Russians have been completely unable to dislodge them.
This was always a problem, but not a critical one since there is also a line heading out of Rostov-on-don, across the Kerch strait and through Crimea by which the troops on the southern landbridge could still be resupplied.
Unfortunately for the Russians, this is no longer the case because while Ukraine's great southern counter offensive might not have gotten them to the black sea it DID get them to a little town called Robotnye, which just so happens to be within artillery range of the Tokmak rail junction.
This means that the rail line servicing the southern land bridge is now cut on both ends, leaving the section between Tokmak and Donetsk city almost completely cut off from rail based resupply, with the only option the Russians have left for the delivery of supply at the necessary scale being the port of Berdyansk
Hopefully, that should be enough for you to figure out why those landing ships were in the area, and why the Ukrainians are targeting them so aggressively
wrong, as i said
read Black person
you don't have the first fricking clue about the weapons systems involved here and how far out they can reach
You're right, by accident i wrongly checked distance and i doubled it, my bad. But still, in long time i didn't heard anything about ukies shelling tokmak and even russian sources don't mention logistic issues on southern front. it seems either ukies don't have enough artillery rounds to shell tokmak because of all ammunition shortages or it's just too dangeours to keep artillery in that little pocket around robotyne.
The Russians don't tend to report their logistical issues and the ukies keep quiet about everything except designated propaganda slop for the masses, that's why you aren't hearing about it
>The Russians don't tend to report their logistical issues
Uh huh, excluding all zigger soldiers tho like to complain about everything that happened to them on telegram.
those guys don't really provide a whole lot of insight into theatre wide supply issues, though they sure are funny to watch
>you don't have the first fricking clue about the weapons systems involved here and how far out they can reach
You know this information is readily accessible to anyone with an internet connection within second right?
yeah, that's why I'm so shocked that people in this thread are somehow completely ignorant of it
not an artillery expert but do they really have the range to do that?
M777 hits out to 24 clicks with conventional ammunition, 30 with improved shells and 40 with base bleed/rockets
also bear in mind that these are the official figures and as this war has repeatedly demonstrated western militaries consistently and deliberately underplay how capable their systems actually are
Post id with timestamp
You dont think they send troll farms dead uke passports just for this shit do ya?
Damn you're right, I'll write to my government representative right now and let them know to stop funding Ukraine as it's clearly a lost cause.
moron
the distance is 24km, the range of an M777 firing conventional unguided shells
hitting a large, fixed target at range is only difficult for Russians
we've seen the ukies driving patriot batteries up to the front lines and you doubt that they would risk towed artillery to keep a vital russian supply line out of action?
I doubt they'd use towed, just shoot and scoot with an M109; AS90 or Krab. Wouldn'[t take long and enough in the inventory to risk a few losses.
fair, but the M777 makes a good yardstick in my opinion due to its relatively short range
If they can hit it with an M777, then they can hit it with anything
I think you might have got the wrong town there slugger, you need to check the distance from Tokmak to Robotnye
Spoiler alert: its 24km
Yeah, he checked from orikhiv instead of robotyne.
so we've now moved to the point of just straight up denying reality?
Or are you one of those wacky conspiracy theorists claiming that those AWACS were shot down by F16?
Even if they did fire from as far away as Orkhiv, one excalibre round (40 km pinpoint range) per track, per day, is about all they need to keep the rail line closed.
Seems wasteful to use a guided shell on a stationary target, base bleed shells fired from the right guns can make that distance just as easily for a fraction of the price
Sure, but I'm just saying it could be done from that far away if necessary - if for whatever reason that was the only option, since he chose Orkhiv.
And I didn't think base bleed could reach 37 km either, but i mayb be wrong.
Not exactly. Russian military is moronic but one of exceptions is their Railway Troops who are pretty good when it comes to repairing railways. ukies would need more firepower than 1 shell per day to keep it closed.
my personal estimate is one strike per hour, but that's not based on anything in particular
I'm no expert but from watching crews replace old tracks in peacetime, that weren't blown to shit along with the ground underneath, it's not exactly a quick process.
are you aware that what you just said was total bullshit? the ukies are in the tree lines south of the town, not north of it
all of Robotnye and a good chunk of the surrounding countryside is under Ukrainian control and has been since the counter offensive "failed"
as a bonus, the M777 has the shortest range of their western made big guns and is therefore the only piece they wouldn't be able to use if they were firing from positions north of the town and even then that is only if they are using conventional shells, base bleed shells can still easily make that distance with range to spare
>we're
Please stop dude, nobody is buying it.
> Still no passport
Literally everything you have to say is worthless
I wouldn't even bother giving you a (you) but it's clear there's one or two morons in the thread who somehow haven't picked up in the fact that nobody would drag a meaningless debate on this long unless they were getting paid.
I'm going to email my representatives again to send ukes tomahawks and tell them I don't care where they use them.
hopefully they'll blow up lots of Russian "civilians".
>I don't know what that was
so you are trying to claim a position of superior military knowledge despite somehow having never heard of an AWACS?
or that first ever AWACS to be shot down in history was a russian airframe downed over the black sea by Ukraine?
Did you emerge from crysostasis and immediately navigate to this thread or something? what was it like living in the 1940's?
Were you tasked with suppressing the Russian's primary rail link to the southern front?
How long until that moron starts posting his nudes?
>no confirmation of successful hits
>still no pics
>FSB zigger is arguing about hyperfortress Robotnik
shit thread is shit
I just want you to know that the utter shamelessness with which Russians will lie to your face is why nobody takes you seriously
nobody believes you mate, you couldn't be a more obvious liar if you tried
i agree; we should send a million shells to ukraine - many of them guided
read
and maybe consider reading the whole thread before running your pretty little mouth next time
that stuff you don't care about is the reason we know a patriot was on the front lines
nothing else in the current ukie inventory has the range and precision to hit an airborne target at that distance
Nobody said they were destroyed. They were damaged but there's no footage to claim they were destroyed beyond repair.
returned to port, oh wait...
I mean that's true for now. We only have the amateur footage which shows explosions, and they comment they think it hit the ships. We need to wait until satalite footage shows the extent of the damage. But in the past cruise misiles have fricked up ships hard.
Was it loaded with artillery shells like usual? Might have set off secondaries.
No, I'm still here for the total zigger death on the fields of Ukraine and then continuing on to kill at least half of Russia's population with starvation and purges.
But I'm a moderate
You haven't said a word of truth since you got here you actual sub-human
>If only you knew how the war really looks like.
Please, enlighten us with the truth
its a shitfest no one is winning or have possibilities to win. west is gay for not supporting enough to gain an advantage
>no one is winning or have possibilities to win
Disagree
>west is gay for not supporting enough to gain an advantage
Agreed
The west (or at least america) doesn’t want Ukraine to win, they merely want to be sure Ukraine doesn’t lose.
The west has no vision for what to do with Russia. They have no plan for Russian or the region and it leaves them reactive, it’s part of why Putin had enjoyed repeated regional successes in the past. He finally stepped just a hair over the line but I honestly think if he’d just taken the area that is currently occupied the west might have done nothing at all.
This is only beginning to change, but really, America and much of the west doesn’t want Putin out. They’re almost as scared of the 90s again as he is, and ditto with Libya and Syria. Libya they succeeded in their play but at what cost? And Syria was plunged into chaos for no gain and huge domestic unrest in Europe. They installed Yeltsin in Russia for a reason, because a strongman thug in charge of a large military and nuclear arsenals better than civil war, chaos, Islamists and warlordism feuding over military stockpiles and nukes. We all talk about the brutality of grozny but can you imagine if Chechen Islamists were free to send small arms, RPGs and actual military vehicles across the world? Or god forbid if some moron like Medvedev or Islamist got their hands on nukes? That’s at least how the US sees it
A stable adversary is better than an unstable one. And so Putin will be bled and then when Russia goes back to its corner the west will probably shift gears, slowly, back towards attempting to use liberalism and market forces to slowly shift them into a liberal democracy in the fringes of the west.
Nice falseflag homosexual. I guess you want to pretend you are ukrainian to forget you were born brown, you subhuman shill.
>Perhaps someone is winning
Indeed. Two additional fortnights and the Special Military Operation will reach its successful conclusion
Still no proof of you being a ukie so frick off shitskin
He's insulting at best a larper, at worst a false flagging twat
Say you are an oinker, why should we listen to you? You're a literal nobody on PrepHole. Frick off
"The war is going badly, I'd better get online to propagandize for my enemies"
>trust me guys, i'm a ukie. Btw total hohol death xaxaxa
There are confirmed poojeets and bots shilling here, so apparently Russia does.
they're not sending their best
they're Indians, they're bots, and some, I assume, are good people
Those 2 ships were hauling roughly 1200 tons of artillery shells and drones.
That's about 80 rail cars.
Ships allow you to haul more faster. Take out the hauling ships that can unload with their own cranes, everything has to go through rail. Rail can be severed constantly very easy.
The entire modern world is built on steel ships. If we had wood ships we couldn't haul as much and most of the world would die.
This is why America is obsessed with air, space and naval ships. It's just basic reality. Rail cars, trucks, airplanes nothing can replace the cost, speed and weight a boat could do. They effectively just deprived the Russians of 2,000,000 lbs a week of mostly artillery shells
YOU are not ukrainian, you can stop this moronic charade now.
i mean, do you really wake up in the morning and do this and believe that it will work? why aren't there any other ukrainians to corroborate your claims? there's plenty of actual ukrainians on here.
subhumans like you can't get it into your heads that you're not as smart as you think you are, you're not being sneaky. you're like a baby telling me you didn't eat all the cookies with your face smeared in chocolate, that's you.
>knows pretty much every tree out there
oh my god
then prove it?
no other ukrainians have corroborated your claims, and this is not a new phenomenon.
this tactic just doesn't work vanya, it's i get second-hand embarrassment watching you double down, are you suffering from a mental affliction that doesn't allow you to be self-aware? i liken you to a kid who thinks he's hiding by putting a pillow in front of his face, you realize we can still see you, right?
>I-IMAGINE IF IT WAS TRUE THO
and if it was you'd prove it, plenty of unique photographs you could've made that wouldn't dox you or reveal sensitive data, there's multiple other ukrainian fighters on here who do this semi-regularly.
>P-PLEASE BE SCARED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY
>H-HYPOTHETICALLY I COULD BE AND W-WHAT THEN HUH?
do you notice how defensive and completely unconvincing that sounds?
Oh frick off back to the trenches then you insufferable c**t, I hope a russian puts a bullet in your skull.
*ukrainian
this guy is definitively not a ukrainian, so if he's gonna be on a frontline, he'll likely get domed by a ukrainian.
Even better if a russian puts one between his eyes then
do chechens count?
The only load a Chechen will be firing his betwixt his cheeks.
As human?
Just stop, it's embarrassing
>I w-will not prove i-it because, because i've already p-proved it once and it d-didn't work, please t-trust me bro
Pathetic
haha, no, regular soldiers talk about the suck and how fighting is hard, they don't literally repeat russian propaganda word for word lmao.
>le aid stopped coming in 6 months ago
like really now, how moronic are you, do they give you a funny little hat to identify you with?
watch, he's gonna go back to cum/chug/ and complain that /k/ is an echochamber because his trolling is so easily detected and everyone makes fun of him.
Is Ivan Khurs a ship or a vatBlack person?
Why am i hand holding?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet
>2018
That hurts.
Zisters... khakly are laughing at us again...
There's humanity out there.
Clown emoji always makes me laugh
>beating us with winged ones
Why can’t Russians just talk normally without all the metaphors?
It's not a metaphor, I suppose.
In russian, cruise missiles are called "winged rockets"(there's no word for missile in russian, everything from grad munitions to icbm is a "rocket").
Sevastopol was attacked with storm shadows(allegedly). SS is a cruise missile, "winged one".
They are going for clipper bows. They take forever and are hard to make. Cost a shit ton of money. Certain boats are the best by far but hard to make. The bows, engines and electronic systems are a pain to make. Everything else is plug in.
>they're more worried about ukrainians screenshotting them and laughing at them than actually communicating the reality of the situation to eachother
man being in a face-saving culture must be really fricking tiring, here in swampland we're not even fake friendly with eachother, how does one cope with so many layers of constant shame.
yeah. a lot of russian telegram sources confirming this. thirteen not a long ago made a video crying about it on his telegram channel and was forced to quickly delete his post by fsb, kek.
Oh nice. I initially ignored this, since I thought it was just a boring strike against a building or two.
I think russians have bigger problems than other people laughing on them. WTF
i'm aware ukraine is on short supply, i'm also aware that aid didn't stop flowing 6 months ago and all the weird concern trolling you did in the beginning about the
>think about le poor ukrainian conscripts
shit was pretty classic too.
You could at least post photo that isn't from middle of night rajeesh, it's currently day in europe
You don't communicate like a Ukie, I can actually sense the butthurt from being found out so easily.
>JUST WATCH
>YOU'RE GONNA REGRET IT
>WHAT IF I REALLY AM A UKRAINIAN HUH
>HOW TERRIBLE WOULD IT BE IF
>I CARE SO MUCH ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK I'M UKRAINIAN
why doesn't he understand nobody in that position would actually talk like that, why are vatBlack folk so bad at self-awareness?
Pajeets are not paid enough for quality, only for quantity of shilling.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61194011/#61201546
Known shill
Not even me, but why would you care about such minor details lel.
>i'm not this schizo lolcow
>i'm a different schizo lolcow!
and? you're all equally as large embarrassments to your families.
>HAHA GUYS LOOK AT THIS SCREENSHOT OF A THREAD WHERE I PRETEND TO BE UKRAINIAN AND THE STUPID /K/OPERS WONT BELIEVE ME AAAAAAAAA
being a chugger is an empty existence.
If the Ukrainians are smart they'll hit oil refineries and black sea cargo boats.they need cut down the tonnage getting to those soldiers. Boats being gone means gasoline will be used by trucks at insane rates.
Literally post a pic with a timestamp, how hard it could be rajeesh?
>one last desperate attempt
you realize no actual ukrainian would approach a conversation like this right, i've spoken to many ukrainians and none of them act the way you do, the desperation with which you want to convince people but then simultaniously say it's too much effort.
real people do not talk like this, homie.
Yeah all the real Ukrainians I've met have been like
>oh yeah I did x during the first few months, I did some medical training, a few guys from my area went to war and died, frick Russians
to
>I just want this war to end, we kill a bunch of people and lose people but that doesn't mean we have to surrender
to
>I HATE RUSSIANS. HATE HATE HATE HATE. DEATH TO ALL RUSSIANS. I HAVE KILLED 13 RUSSIANS AND I THIRST FOR THE BLOOD OF MORE RUSSIANS.
But none of them do this moronic sticking-around-to-mock-you shit. They just call you moronic and move on.
Can we just stop and appreciate how cool cruise missiles are? Did anyone ever think these would hit naval targets?
you have been talking exactly like that for the last hour, and the intolerable unwarranted smugness is exactly the same as one of the many mentally ill lolcows that now infest /k/.
still no timestamp
gonna tell us just how much you dont care that we think you're not ukrainian again? gonna tell us how smug you are because you really actually are?
schizo's really don't realize that what's in their own little world is not seen in the same way by everyone else. to everyone else, you don't look like the spitting image of a ukrainian, impossible to detect, you just look like a massive moron trying to put a mask in front of his face.
Tи дoci нe вiдпиcaвcя нa мiй пocт, чмoбик. Just look at how he ignores my post because he doesn't know Ukrainian.
>b-but what if tho
>BUT WHAT IF
>PLEEEASE BELIEVE ME
lmao
>I also know how to use Yandeks translator!
ITT works a real Russian troll who thinks he is fighting with colleagues from another camp.
i am quoting you
>he's still going on and on and on and on
above post is right btw, you don't actually understand just how much you don't fit in.
your immense butthurt betrays your feigned abivalence.
it's the same guy still very desperately trying to convince everyone he's ukrainian right now, he doesn't understand how badly the butthurt seeps through his words.
>mental illness
Even if trolling, this have carried on too long to be the trolling of a normal person.
> cтyлиш вpeштi cвoю хaлyпy
The sequence of words is incorrect, this is typical for Google Translate. So the Russians are so stupid that they use propaganda money on PrepHole, kek.
>Just remember it next ti you crave proofs from me.
Not only do we not really care about "proofs", but, if you really are ukie, you should know it's utterly, genuinely moronic to distribute anything from your posting in the first place.
you really don't understand that doubling down only convinced the few people who might've actually believed you at first that you're just a very desperate seething lolcow.
your toddler-tier psyop attempt might've actually been effective had you shut up after the first few posts lmao.
Хaлyпa, блядь, хaлyпa. Якi ж ви лaхтюки кoнчeнi, я нe мoжy.
Cкинь фoткy пacпopтa, тoбi ж cкaзaли, дeбiл.
>thread about another Russian loss in Black Sea and Crimea derailed by unrelated screaming
>ci cпyдив?
Such word does not even exist in the Ukrainian language. Гaндoн ти штoпaний.
we really should re-open the crazy asylums, i can't believe we're letting mentally ill schizoids like this roam free on the web.
all of them should be put in the same room with a camera, for lulz.
>inb4 yeah these guys who dont believe me truly ar-
no, YOU, you're clearly not fit for free society, you'll probably rape one of your family members like chris-chan if you keep staying on the internet and letting all the deserved mockery eat away at you.
my dad works at Czartendo, he told me there's 152mm shells hiding under the truck
Hy блiн, paз мoвa зaшлa пpo хyї, тo цe тoчнo кaцaп. Дyжe лeгкo вcкpивcя, oднaкo.
no anon, it's YOU who can't win this game
I mean the win conditions are actually quite easy, you're just incapable of fulfilling them
actually, that's a lot like your c**t's silly little war, innit?
>proof
lmao, you're that homosexual who posts pictures of his pants and boots from time to time. As if that's the ultimate form of proof, and you can't think of anything better.
I don't think you are capable of realizing how funny you are to the rest of us with your constant whinging and pretending. Hell, even if you were actually Ukranian,
that would just make it funnier. It would mean that you're a moronic grunt who has no idea what the frick he is talking about, but keeps coming here to be mocked.
Won't be the first one, nor the last.
Not that many landing ships left. A beautiful strike on their logistics. Really hope they get another sub soon though, just for the lulz
>i am not here to convince you...
>soooo...you convinced yet?
no, but you can keep seething that your really lame attempt at trolling failed utterly and got flung into a dumpster, the seethe is delicious, not even the first time i've seen it happen too.
>instead of army of shills spamming board we have now lonely pajeet working overtime to derail thread
quite sad, innit?
Tiпiкaл кaцaп, хyлi. Пpийшoв cpaти в лiвий тpeд, нe дaє пpyфiв, гoвopить пpo хyї. Aлe тpeд ти нeпoгaнo злив, мoлoдeць, мoжe хaчi тeбe cьoгoднi пиздить нe бyдyть. Кopaблям цe пpaвдa вжe нiяк нe дoпoмoжe, нy тo тaкoє.
except it's not, and now you're just wallowing in your own sadness
the derail of the thread means nothing btw, people will make another one and continue to make fun of you for being moronic ziggers.
>зливaє
Зливaти мoжнa тiльки гiвнo в тyaлeтi, ти cpycняк.
Hy тoдi дaвaй я тeбe пo биpiкy зiллю, пoки нiхтo нe бaчить
Кaцaп ти, чи нe кaцaп - нe вaжливo, a oт pycнявy iпcoшнy мeтoдичкy вiдпpaцювaв знaтнo, cвiдoмo чи нi, тo вжe нa cтoвїй coвicтi.
1 в 1 мeтoдичкa пepeкpиття oбcepiв pycнявих вiд тeбe - тpeд пpo пococ чopнoмopcькoгo флoтy, i ти тyт тaкий - "нe cмiть paдiть, вci cлyхaть гipкy пpaVдy вiд мeнe".
Я тoбi тaкe cкaжy, a чи дiйдe чи нi, цe вжe пoдивимocь: якщo ти cпитaєш y випaдкoвoгo coлдaтa нa фpoнтi, щo тaкe iпco, вiн нa тeбe тiльки глянe, як нa якoгocь iдioтa. A ти живeш в cвoємy мaняcвiтi, дe iпco - цe щocь peaльнe i мoжe нaвiть вaжливe. Дoбpe, тpoхи poзжyвaв, бo тyпий жe.
Oh and the Czech super genius plan to get a million shells to Ukraine? Buy them outside of Europe. That's it. That's the genius plan. Why the hell didn't anyone think of that before? There was some stupid regulation it had to be NATO or European aligned countries.
No, use the entire world as Ukraine's factory. Duh.
the Czechs are simply the designated brokers slash "fall guys" of the shell story, they will conveniently vanish the paper trail of where the shells are coming from
it's understood that these are from contributors who wish the source of the shells to be obfuscated. that's hard to do in a a highly rigidly law abiding society like for example the UK
And when will the first shell from that batch hit the ground? May, I was told.
>And when will the first shell from that batch hit the ground? May, I was told.
Would you have preferred it to be on St. Dick's Day?
I'd prefer it to be last year when we still could crush the pidors and save so many lives. Now it's about damage control from your lump dick support.
Assuming you are ukie, your military fricked up the summer offensive, and waited too long before starting to look for ammo outside of NATO (with or without NATO intermediaries), preferring instead to trust the historically unreliable US support.
he's not a ukie, he's made it incredibly clear throughout this thread with his seething and early on with flatout incorrent information how non-ukie he is.
watch him tell you how much he doesn't need you to believe it again.
We fricked it up because it was impossible to succeed with what we had. Our infantry was great though, the key word was.
Then why try, if you knew it wouldn't work in the first place?
We didn't know it beforehand obviously. Even I believed we'd get to Melitopol in no time. We were pumped and ready, as infantry. But there was only so much infantry could do.
I'm sure if you gave our stuff to the Americans and told them to break through those defensive lines with almost no air presence, they'd laugh at you.
But that's the thing, high command was most likely aware of how heavy the defenses were. Just seems to me that the leadership felt goaded into doing "something" because the Western leaders were making noises about all the great support they had provided, if only the ukies would do something with all the stuff they received. Which got high command railroaded into a particular hopium-heavy course of action.
Yeah, the counteroffensive was widely advertised here, everyone was overconfident. At some point our president had no choice but to proceed despite any warnings because he's mainly a media figure like Trump and not a real statesman like Churchill.
We were still at our absolute peak back then. You wouldn't believe how low we fell, and I don't think we would ever recover our infantry to a decent level. And without infantry you can't take land back. I just hope we won't lose much more.
I think blaming Zele is somewhat misplaced. He makes decisions based on what info he's fed. And I'd say a fair number of military people suffered from overconfidence, or felt pressured just like he was. Also while he may have given the go-ahead, the actual execution wasn't on him. Had high command went with a foot assault from the start, they would've discovered the defenses were way stronger than anticipated without getting a shitton of expensive equipment converted into scrap (and the crews into mincemeat). Also, they seemed exceedingly hesitant to call the whole thing off, once it started going sideways.
We switched to small tactical groups almost immediately, and 90% of our equipment was lost slowly, bit by bit. Almost none of it was replaced, so that's another problem - very shallow reserves.
I blame equally the Americans and our leadership for it. The only right choice was to dig in and wait for the planes. But even now when the lessons are learnt, the support ongly grows weaker, which is turning this mess into a generational war. The absolute worst outcome after such a promising start.
>We switched to small tactical groups almost immediately, and 90% of our equipment was lost slowly, bit by bit.
Why continue pushing into what were going to be frantically-defended areas, once you got a real look at how tough the opposition was going to be? Why not go "welp, we're not going to push through, the pidors are too rabid, and heavily dug in, we should pack up before we lose too much".
>Almost none of it was replaced, so that's another problem - very shallow reserves.
But that's the thing. There were never going to be any real reserves. You can't set up heavy vehicle factories in Ukraine, because they'd get whacked by missiles. You can't get a lot of stuff from abroad either, because there's not enough available, and production is slow. You need to guard what you already have, and use it as sparingly as possible.
this posts reeks of curry
>Why not go "welp, we're not going to push through, the pidors are too rabid, and heavily dug in, we should pack up before we lose too much".
Why indeed. I have no idea why it took them so long to abort.
>You need to guard what you already have, and use it as sparingly as possible.
It's not gonna happen. Mayeriel in a war like this is fundamentally disposable. Whole brigades are disposable and only last for a few months before requiring a deep restoration. It's a neverending process, that's why we got a single fricking Browning mg in our battalion and the pidors ride golf cars.
So, are you gonna post pic with timestamp or you gonna continue humiliating yourself shitskin
Well, my final point is that, yes, the situation is quite a bit frickier than in March 2023, but nevertheless you lot have to keep hanging on. There's genuinely no point to any other course of action, regardless of Western support levels. The pidors will never stop trying to conquer you and beat you into the dirt, for the capital crime of trying to live better than them. One way or another, today, tomorrow, in a decade's time, they'll keep coming for you, as long as their slavemasters keep acting the way they do. So why should you stop trying to defend?
Why are you even speaking to that turd, guy is concern troll/defeatist/falseflagging shill pretending to be ukrainian. Nothing he says is genuine concern or remotely true, only mishmash of lies and half truths.
I've heard from one Ukr marine that the only way to win is to completely annihilate the Russian logistics
It's a pipe dream, won't ever happen unless the Americans send a bunch of F-35 and bomb everything to dust.
A тeпepь пoцeлyйтecь
>цeл
100% cpycняк
O нapeштi тoбi вдaлocя впoлювaти cпpaвжньoгo пiдapa, кoнгpaтyлeйшoнз. Пpaвдa вiн нa мiй пocт вiдпoвiдaв, щo мaлo тeбe нacтopoжити. Aлe вce oднo ґyд Джoб.
i just went to the store and back and you're still here, telling everyone how ukrainian you are.
truly, the 4D chess of zigger falseflags eludes me.
Well I can't go to the store, so good for you. Pump your brain with sweet soda and keep spewing nonsense about my country, it should help us big time.
you can't go to the store because you're a russoid and there is no food in the store, or because you're a pajeet and there's a wall of shit blocking the entrance.
sleep tight, little snipper!
i remember how much this little crabbo made /chug/ seethe lmao.
Sleep tight, little snipper!
still not a single pic from faux-ukrainian
more delicious zigger seethe.
you're so incredibly mad that it didn't work that you can't stop responding.
>m-maybe i haven't been completely found out yet
>m-maybe they're still questioning
>m-maybe if i keep posting i can convince them
no to all 3 zigger, if you guys were as good at warfare as you were at doubling down pointlessly, you'd have won the war by now.
This has got to be the funniest post I've read all week. But hey, maybe you're right. If only they could take back embarrassing the frick out of the Russians for the umpteenth time lmao. Go back to b***hing that Ukraine has been given somewhat of a level playing field because they have access to buy weapons.
you stupid homosexual, a brigade only having 5 shells per night means any basic infantry battalion armed only with small arms and shoulder fired rockets could destroy them. If that was common amongst Ukrainian units they would all have already been destroyed.
If Ukrainian brigades only have enough artillery for 5 rounds per night why are they not getting wiped out in massed ground attacks smart guy?
>The only way to revitalise our offensive potential is to start drafting young people
That should've been done from the beginning, in order to get people over the shock of the draft. Sure, you'd have to deal with dodging, and long-term regularized dodging is corrosive to social cohesiveness, but it has to start at some point. You can't keep pretending your country isn't facing an existential threat.
>That's why we had to use that one chance.
It was left to go on too long, especially after your guys nearly managed to break through, but got checked by that regiment composed of every pidor elite unit remnant blobbed together. But I get the generalized feeling at the time, of needing to roll the dice.
In fairness to that dude, they keep getting pushed back as we speak.
pushed back few kilometers in the east after thousands dead Russians and no Ukrainian battalions getting wiped out in a single attack with hundreds to thousands dead like would happen if they had no artillery. A brigade with 5 artillery shells per night is way too fricking low for anything happening in the war right now.
It was a miss this time.
Is that fuel?
Looks like a miss and a partial hit?
Shouldn't there be a crater where you see those scorch marks?
Where are these sat photos from? Is there proof they are new?
>Losing our future generation is arguably worse than losing the war.
If the homosexuals fully get their claws into you, there will be no future. You will not be allowed the luxury of getting to choose one. Just look at the Belorussians next door.
They won't fully absorb us, I think even they understand that.
They don't need to absorb you, in fact, they don't want to. They want to delete your very existence. Read up on what they do to your abducted children. Heck, several of their officials even confirmed what they are doing.
I know what they're doing. But the won't be doing that in Kyiv, Lviv or Dnipro city no matter what happens next.
That's just wishful thinking on your part. Remember that the homosexual-in-chief believes you are "unsalvageable" because you rebelled in December 2013, kept moving westwards between 2014 and 2021, and didn't fold in February 2022. You will be purged in a second Holodomor. Again, by contrast, the Belorussians were spared the worst excesses because a) they've been ruled by Luka since times immemorial; b) they folded back in summer 2021. You kept being defiant, so you will be shattered. Chief homosexual said as much, in that hastily withdrawn article from 26th Feb 2022. Therefore, there's no real cost to resisting. The result of defeat is the same as the result of surrender. You will not be treated any more leniently if you acquiesce their demands.
>Thread about more black sea sinking kino
>Being detailed by a "Ukrainian" doomer with 2 year old "trust me bro, complete collapse at the front" bullshit
Totally organic, very believable, am Ivan Smith Texas Oblast ect.