This cuck barrel length is dead. Either SBR, Pistol, or go with 20. There is no reason for anyone that is serious about shooting to own one. It's made for people that go to their LGS or Cabellas to waste money on an SP2. Name one reason to go with 16 over any other barrel length, aside from being lazy.
Im gonna laugh when .223 is .75 cpr and all you poorgay morons obsessing over larping with ARs start crying.
I'm not poor. Have fun with your 4hl though.
I am poor (working on that) You are still a giant Black person.
My 308 is already that much and i dont give a frick. Frick you make more money.
>.75 cpr
>.75
>cpr
cpr is an outdated term, we're looking more at dollars per round
Do poor people really pay attention to the price of ammo?
USMC uses 16" sooo.... it just got revitalize to life anon
who the frick cares about the marines?
>who the frick cares about the most elite fighting force in the world
Don't know, guess nobody
bait
>morons use something so that means it is good
>morons who's single purpose in life is to kill their enemies and hear the lamentation of their women
Yeah
>
>20
I remember when nobody was buying those, so Leviathan got gays like GT and AR to shill them to dumb impressionable zoomers and r*dditors. Now magically they’re the best barrel length again, even though GT has videos shilling every barrel length between 20 and 10.3 anyway.
The only reason to go with 16 inch is because you're too lazy to go shorter, or to weak to go with 20.
the only reason you'd go with a 20 inch is because you're a cloner. people who care about the extra velocity buy 24" varmint barrels
The only reason anyone goes lower than 16” or 14.5” now is because of pistol braces.
The reason why 20” sucks is because for the size and weight you might as well use something better than 5.56 such as 308 or 6.5 Grendel. It’s like putting a four-banger into a Corvette. The 20” length was just a holdover from the battle rifle days anyway. 16” is just more practical.
>you might as well use something better than 5.56 such as 308 or 6.5 Grendel.
Hell yeah, more fast bullets.
>The 20” length was just a holdover from the battle rifle days anyway. 16” is just more practical.
Nah, Eugene Stoner wanted those fast bullets. If Colt hadn't bought the patent and invented the CAR 15 then all AR would still be 20" or longer.
7.62x39 was intentionally designed and optimized around a 20" barrel as well in the SKS. It just turned out that moving to a 16" barrel only lost them about 60 fps (about 2.5%). Whereas moving from a 20" barrel to a 16" barrel in a 5.56 loses you about 100-120 fps depending on the load (about 3.44%). Which is practically nothing either which is why the us military effectively dropped the 20" barrel length decades ago. The idea that 5.56 is super sensitive to barrel length changes but other rounds aren't is stupid fuddlore. .308 suffers a greater loss of velocity going from 20" to 16".
The 20” barrel length was very intentional and the original pencil profile is very lightweight, an M16A1 is 6.5lb unloaded. A2s are a little more silly at 7.5 with a dumb barrel profile but it’s still very manageable and you can easily build a 20” rifle styled off A1 specifications under 8lb unloaded depending on your choice of optic and light and how minimalist you want to go
>pistol brace
Which only works for you if you are a mantlet.
Same as this damn meme rifle, it's for their shirt stubby commie Tucson arms.
A1 LOP is pretty kino. Also they're made in Phoenix, not Tuscon.
so is 20" 308 God tier? I haven't develed deeply into the science and whatnot of rifle calibers. Thinking my next one should be a 308. saw a cartel video where a guy's head popped like a birthday balloon from a single shot.
18in to 21in is what you see on most .308 specific rifles. 16 is just too short for me. My DD5 is 18in (my fav), my PTR is 18in (only good because I put a Spuhr stock and a PSG-1 trigger pack in it), and my SCAR is 16.25in (so tacticool). Try to go for at least 18in for best results.
I remember a video from a few years back of Ian and Karl doing chrono testing with an 8in barrel on an HK51 type of thing and it was slinging bullets at 7.62x39 levels while the concussion blinded and deafened them. Short .308 rifles are mega peepee poopoo.
Would you recommend this PTR or an AR pattern? Held a scar a couple of times and it's heavy as shit. don't think it's worth the FN mark up. none of their guns are.
If you think the SCAR is heavy the PTR is going to feel like an engine block in your hands. Get a good AR10 and you'll be happier with the less unique rifle.
I actually read like the PTR's look. guess I'll stop being a pussy and lift more. it's sexy in a weird way.
I hate to break it to you but the SCAR is one of the lightest options you’ve got for battle rifles short of AR10s that are picky about ammo
>rifle
>go shorter
disgusting
how about I don't want to give the ATF any money but also don't want to cuck myself with pistol braces and AFGs
>cuck myself with pistol braces and AFGs
So you'll just cuck yourself with a 16" barrel instead.
>I don't want to give the ATF any money
I'm sure your $200 will really make or break them anon.
>So you'll just cuck yourself with a 16" barrel instead
how is that cucking myself? a 16" barrel still has better ballistics than shorter length barrels so it's not a total negative. it's slightly harder to turn corners than something shorter, that's it.
>I'm sure your $200 will really make or break them anon
it's the principle of the matter. I'd rather literally flush $300 straight down the toilet than give the ATF even $5.
>it's the principle of the matter
So many people don't get this. It's not about the 200 dollars, it's about how embarrassing it is to pay to use something you already have in your home in a public setting
If Silencers were sold in separate pieces and considered "incomplete" and thus a Form 1 item I could take home and even have delivered to my doorstep you bet your ass a lot of people wouldn't bother filing
>I pay tens of thousands in taxes to the US government every year for nothing in return, but I drawn the line at $200 to own a gun!
>don't pay
>go to prison
weird feature but I can't really fight it
You get that the ATF doesn't want you to pay for the stamp right? It was originally intended to be toonexpensive for the average person that's the whole point.
thank you for sharing this interesting factoid but it's completely irrelevant to the discussion
No it isn't. You're a midwit unable to be logically consistent. If you were so against your money going to the ATF wouldn't pay taxes.
I don't want to be arrested, that's the logical consistency you imbecile
moron. Your objection to paying for an SBR, because you don't want to give the ATF money is inconsistent because you're already giving then money. Just say that you don't want to spend $200.
I suppose that's the price you have to pay to live in society. Darn, that's what I get for signing that dang old social contract at birth and not breaking it
Just stop pretending that you have principles. You just don't want to spend $200.
I just find it funny you're so hung up on winning an argument on the internet. No, you won't get my 200 dollars and yes, I will still have an SBR
I didn't think you had the balls to non-comply. That's the better choice and more people should make it.
The van is on the way, I hope. Frick I wish I could have suppressors delivered to my door unconstructed but here we are
There is no right to avoid taxes, there is a right to bear arms, and just like other rights, there must not be entry fees. Imagine if you had to pay $1k just to vote. Paying $200 just to have permission to own a gun otherwise protected by the 2nd is absurd and a legacy of anti-gangster policies that now face a pro-gun SC. Natural rights are forever, governments are not. Nor does the taxation they exist to do. If nothing is certain but death and taxes, than even the taxmen will die
>Imagine if you had to pay $1k just to vote
Would be a better system because losers and parasites would have barriers to voting, although the old property qualifications required to vote were still better.
Tax stamps are a gay infringement and shouldn't exist though.
All it takes is to bump that $1k to $1 million, and suddenly it's a different ball game. What about $1 billion? Sorry chud, shoulda stayed in school, now the uberrich run the show
>now the uberrich run the show
As opposed to...
Imagine being this blind to the world. I almost envy it.
They already do, and they don't have to pay $1 billion apiece to do so.
>There is no right to avoid taxes
>The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
The 16th Amendment which granted congress the power to impose income taxes wasn't passed until 1909 and as such is not what the founders intended.
homie the right of congress to impose taxes in fricking general is in the original constitution lol.
But not to impose a tax on incomes.
It literally just says they can impose taxes in general, there was nothing forbidding them from extend that to income, which is why income tax became a thing.
Are you moronic? The 16th amendment was passed sp3cifically to give them the power to tax income. Do you think they made that amendment for fun?
Article I
Section 8 Enumerated Powers
Clause 1 General Welfare
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States
Bruh it never specifies how they can tax, just that they can, which like any government, means they can tax however the frick they want.
How are you this fricking dumb?
>In Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co., the U.S. Supreme Court declared certain taxes on incomes, such as those on property under the 1894 Act, to be unconstitutionally unapportioned direct taxes.
Imagine being a dumb fricking moron like you lmao
>certain taxes
>still adds income tax
Oh wow oh boy its nothing. You're fricking stupid lol.
>it's about how embarrassing it is to pay to use something you already have in your home in a public setting
not only that but also the fact that you're explicitly sending the money to an agency that exists almost solely to shit on your second amendment rights. I'm generally fairly unscrupulous when it comes to standing on morals but I find the ATF as an entity to be absolutely abhorrent and I refuse to support them in any way whatsoever.
>So you'll just cuck yourself with a 16" barrel instead
cucked how?
im not a lard ass that cant fit a 16 inch through a door way
marines cleared houses with 20
>marines cleared houses with 20
Exactly moron.
>Exactly moron.
If 20" was fine why did the marines get rid of it? In fact, why did every branch get rid of it? 🙂
20 isnt too long
20 + suppressor is too long
14.5 + suppressor ends up roughly the same overall as the 20 and they still go in anyways.
Why did nearly every military give it up?
>inb4 US made them
Ah yes, i've always wanted to shoot 5.56 at 2400FPS. Much effect.
Worked for SEALs, MARSOC, Army Special Forces...
It'll work a lot better the faster it goes, simple as
Velocity kills. Anyone who wants an extremely fast round that'll penetrate steel plates can't go wrong with a 20" AR. That being said just buy whatever you like lol. Nobody in the real world will judge you for your preferred barrel length.
>Anyone who wants an extremely fast round that'll penetrate steel plates can't go wrong with a 20" AR
This is probably the smallest niche in all of guns.
You’re taking the odds you’ll be
>shooting a person with a rifle
>the person you’re shooting has plates
>the plates they have are steel
But I bet you cry about AR pistols having trash ballistics.
I don’t cry about the ballistics, I cry about the tax stamp and legal grey area of braces and noise is probably my biggest practical concern for short ARs. If the NFA was repealed I still wouldn’t go below 14.5” for an AR I intend to use for HD.
*I didn’t consider suppressors in that post, but you get the idea
>I cry about the tax stamp and legal grey area ...
Valid reason to be upset.
>This is probably the smallest niche in all of guns.
I'm the guy who posted
, the thing is I like fast bullet. I understand that it might be niche but I want my bullets to go fast.
>the plates they have are steel
Or polymer. (or maybe that was just the reason to choose greentips, cant remember)
I've always thought this, 62gr steel penetrator out of a 20in barrel is the way to go
>Velocity kills
You're moronic, a bullet going out of a 2 inch barrel is still lethal velocity.
No, using a 5.56 out of a 10 inch barrel at 1000 yards will not drop the velocity below lethal levels, it's just going to be a harder shot to make.
At that point you're using the wrong tool for the job. If I need to shoot someone that far I might be dearly up shit creek
>replying with 0 context of the conversation
Why do people do this?
The people in the thread are talking about barrel length. I mentioned I like 20" barrel because I like fast bullet.
You mentioned some moronic shit about a 5.56 being effective at 1,000 yards so I matched your moronic energy by bringing up an even longer barrel and a superior cartridge.
Now we're both morons and you don't have to feel alone. Lets go share this energy in other /K/ threads.
Imagine being so fricked up that you post with 0 context and then try to rope me into you being moronic lol.
Try harder.
>using a 5.56 out of a 10 inch barrel at 1000 yards will not drop the velocity below lethal levels
All right, hypothetically, lets stand 1,000 yards away from each other and take shots at each other, you can use your 5.56 rifle with a 10" barrel and I get a .300 WinMag with a .24 inch barrel. I wonder who'd live to tell the tale.
People have been shilling m193 ballistics out of a 20 inch barrel pretty consistently for a long time. I mean, how long has ar500 armor been on the market? Every single discussion 20 inch barrels are brought up.
>M4 and M16A1 clones in collection
i dunno anon, I just like military pattern rifles
the best barrel length is somewhere between where theres no muzzle flash and where peak velocity is. so for 5.56 thats going to be like 20-26 inches.
the shorter you go the worse it is. 16 may suck, but 14.5 is far worse.
does 16 have muzzle flash on 300BLK? if no, then it is a wonderful barrel length for 300BLK
It is the best barrel length though, because Stoner designed it that way. The military switched to 14.5 and started complaining of less lethality, and 5.56 doesn't fragment well at slow speeds which short barrels cause
Stoner also designed it with a fixed buttstock and 20-round magazine. 20” ARs are stupidly cumbersome and long. The answer to the lethality question is to just use 308.
>20” ARs are stupidly cumbersome and long.
Manlet.
Yes and the military is full of manlets. That’s why they ditched 20s and went to 14.5s.
And chopping the barrel diminishes function instead of improving it, outside of CQB. A gun is meant for killing not for carrying around indoors, so there shouldn't be a compromise in function for that sake. Or just use a bullpup and have it all
>A gun is meant for killing not for carrying around indoors
Ok but practically speaking you are going to be carrying it indoors, in your vehicle, etc. If you are only concerned with lethality then you should use something bigger that 5.56 anyway. That’s the whole point I’m trying to make.
sometimes it's fun to see how removed /k/ and guntube is from the real firearms market.
I walk into a gun store, a gun show, a big box sporting good store. 16 inchers line the walls and racks.
I go to the range. boomers with 16" ars show them off to zoomer latinos with 16" ars.
pistol braced 11" barrels and 300 blackout exist for instagram clout
Maybe because it's the shortest barrel length a rifle can have without a stamp and the masses are moronic unquestioning consumers.
>the discerning consumer is the one who pays hundreds of extra dollars so they can have a rifle a few inches shorter
moron contrarian alert
What are you talking about? You can get an a braced AR for cheap.
Yes, because they have their reasons which are strong enough to ay the cuck tax. And those reasons aren't velocity and lethality
this is a bait thread by a guy who wants to frick the guntuber @hoplopfheil. he makes many of these threads. they always feature an irrelevant photo of hop and an irritating argument about civilian small arms.
you can safely filter hop spammer threads on sight. they're always terrible threads.
>namegay
>British
Why do you even post here?
i'm still not british
those threads are better- at least there are alizee pics in them.
>i'm still not british
Okay you're a Euro and a namegay. Why do you post here?
still incorrect
it's like the dude who makes the threads with alizee asking stuff like "french military good?"
I have an unregistered 14.5. Where do I fit in?
What optic is that
Aimpoint PRO
It's a Comp M3
Thank you anon I hope you have a blessed weekend
Thank you. I hope the same for you anon.
20" suppressed is a bit much anon. Otherwise, I'd agree.
Let me shoot you with a 16 and a 20 and tell me if you feel a difference homosexual
Are you moronic? Did you think about how stupid this logic is? Let me shoot you with a .22WMR in the face and tell me how differently it feels from a .223. Does that mean .22WMR has performance so close to .223 that you should just buy .22wmr instead? No?
Let’s rephrase it.
Show us two unlabeled gel blocks, one shot by a 16” and another a 20” and we’ll see if people ITT can tell the difference
Lemme shoot cum inside your mother's ass and tell me if you feel anything. Jealousy, perhaps
>Name one reason to go with 16 over any other barrel length, aside from being lazy.
The LMT kiwi rifle is 16" and it's fricking sexy.
Straight gas tube, PHWOAR!
Full ambi controls, monolithic upper, easy-change barrels, and can even be converted to LMT's piston system with nothing more than a barrel and carrier swap.
Something about a short handguard and exposed gas block is so sexy
You've obviously never dealt with a burn before.
For like 50 years the exposed gas block wasn't a problem, you just don't touch the hot bits when they're hot.
Why would you circumsize your rifle like that?
Maybe if all you’re shooting is .223/5.56, but 16” is more than enough for something like the Tavor 7 and 18” is perfect for a G3 style rifle. I could put a 20” on the Tavor but honestly it’s plenty accurate at 200 yards as it is.
The 16 inch AR is going to be the normie rifle of choice in the coming decade's events. It's not going anywhere.
>t. lazy. Like most of America.
Ok but I can afford a single AR with a single barrel (euro). So what would be the do-it-all ", /k/ ? I've guessed 14.5" ?
What will you use it for primarily? Hunting?
tell me a situation where your barrel length kills you
When we're at bayonet range, both out of ammo, and I have a 20" barrel while you're using your trusty 16" barrel rifle.
>2024
>still chasing trends
Lol. Lmao
>Everything has to be a trend
What AR barrel length is the current meta is ABSOLUTELY a trend and you'll start to notice it in a few years if you're still in the hobby. Continuously cycles from compromise "do-all" lengths to shorties back to long then back to compromise lengths. I'm 34 and I've observed this cycle twice in my adult life. Social media and YouTube shills accelerate the trend. Same exact shit happens with optics, furniture, gas system length, etc.
People want a single "do-all" solution and don't want to admit that in a caliber as barrel-length dependent as 5.56 for performance you're literally always making a compromise, and for some reason they reeee when you point out multiple guns or at least multiple uppers is a pretty easy solution to the issue.
multiple uppers is actually a pretty moronic solution because you don't get to swap out your upper just before a gunfight based on the current circumstances.
Lmao how many gunfights have you been in, anon?
Keep a suppressed 10.3" or 11.5" upper on the gun when it's leaning on the nightstand. When you plan on doing long range stuff throw the 20"on there before you leave. In a pinch you can take a shorty out to 300 or kick doors with a long gun even if they're not optimal for it. Not that you'll E V E R kick doors or get in a 300+ yard gunfight with your personal weapon lmao.
The real reason lol
oh I get it. the multiple ARs/ multiple uppers is so you can have multiple toys. and the problem with having a "compromise" barrel length is it means you only have 1 toy.
you're right. I'm not a designated marksman, or a doorkicker. it's why I carry a p365 and not an ar. but it makes you wonder why we need barrel length arguments when none of us are pushing the limits of any configuration.
>you're right. I'm not a designated marksman, or a doorkicker. it's why I carry a p365 and not an ar. but it makes you wonder why we need barrel length arguments when none of us are pushing the limits of any configuration.
That uhh
That was my point anon. Chasing trends is moronic, there is no one "best" barrel length. We DON'T need barrel length arguments. OP is a homosexual. I'm glad we agree.
You should do this with every AR you own no matter how many you own lol.
Or just buy a cheap but decent lower and put the money on what really matters: trigger, stock, barrel, optics, and handguards
>People want a single "do-all" solution and don't want to admit that in a caliber as barrel-length dependent as 5.56 for performance you're literally always making a compromise, and for some reason they reeee when you point out multiple guns or at least multiple uppers is a pretty easy solution to the issue.
tl;dr they're poor
Same reason why consolewar homosexualry exists, poorgays couldn't buy both Playsation and Xbox
The answer is clear:
B V L L P V P S
Big gun, small package, simple as. Only whiny b***hes with no skill complain about it
Trend chasing has gotten pretty moronic. Someone in ARG got mad that I bought an HS515 over a Romeo 4XT and said it was a "last gen red dot". 100% got shilled because that sperg in the OP made a video about it.
/arg/ has always been the tip of the spear of morons taking marching orders from YouTube shills lol
>picture is just a bunch of text followed by a gen-x sized ellipsis
the worst thing ive seen all day
It's legal
So are SBRs and pistols. What's your point?
SBRs require paperwork, engraving, and a whole bunch of bureaucratic bullshit
Also you cant even leave your state with it unless you fill out a form
Braced pistols are neat but you have to be at the mercy of an increasingly vicious ATF
16in has always been a cope length for people too afraid to slap a proper 14.5 on their build, as if anyone would notice or care.
>cucking your velocity
contrary to what you tell yourself an inch and a half can make a substantial difference
If you cared so much you'd use a 20 inch.
What battles did barrel length win or lose independent of other factors?
What battles did anything win or lose independent of other factors? What a dumb question
All of this nonsense could be avoided if you just got a bullpup and stopped whining but that'll never happen
>be me
>have AUG with 20in barrel
>it's 1/9 tweest
>only shoot M193 out of it
>has Rat Worx sear so trigger be gooder
OP cannot fathom my power.
>It's dead! Says anon
>but still useful for my use case
Meh
yes 20 is master race
>no flashlight
>no laser
>no ambi-control pressure pads
>no vert grip
Anon don't you know you'll be killed day 1 of the boog without all of the above?
yeah geez all those years in the infantry wasted, shame I didn't listen to some troony in /arg/
kek just kidding, it's a nice gun. I like 20s as well.
youre sight is blocking your scope.
>youre
I'm sure this dumb noguns post is bait, but if you had any experience at all you'd know that the front sight is basically invisible with a setup like that.
actually moron, if you knew anything about optics, youd know your contrast is reduced by however much the sight is blocking.
enjoy having a dim, low contrast, blurry and distorted image, you fricking moron
I was an optics tech in the Marines, my guy. I have used many optics on many rifles. Please take your butthurt shit down a notch and sit in the corner. Assblasted dildo.
>I was an optics tech in the Marines
>uses cheapest shittest poortex possible
it checks out. Doesn't mean you're right about anything of course, just proves you are as dumb as you say you are.
That's not even my rifle, I'm just a guy ITT telling you you're a dumbass with no time behind some glass, dumbass.
You literally join a unit known for dumbasses and call that a mark of intelligence like a dumbass, dumbass
Nta but the Marine Corps has a lot of MOS's full of smart people.
No there aren't, because in anyone in a "smart people" MOS in the USMC could be doing the same job for the Navy or Air Force. They're clearly moronic.
I did ATC in the Marines because in the airforce in order to get a major qualification you'd have to be in for at least two enlistment, and for the navy you run the risk of going on a ship or going to a FAC and getting no ATC qualifications. The Marines is the best branch foe ATC.
Air Force and Navy are full of b***hes.
Gonna cry?
noguns
But you do not own a rifle and I do.
In the words of the famous Dumpster Defender:
I doubt it.
They eat crayons too
I knew some genius level dudes in the Marines. There were some mouthbreathing morons for sure, but the USMC tends to pull in guys with ambition and something to prove, but they just come from a shitty homelife.
Ive been an optics tech for 15 years.
never said it didnt function, just thats its fricking stupid and pointless. why have your image be 50% dimmer and low contrast. either laziness or money.
guess again?
Nando Harmsen is the man in that picture, and he is a Dutch citizen. So even if that is you, you have absolutely zero experience with a scope on a rifle. Thank you for dunking on yourself, and if you could drown yourself at your earliest convenience I think that would be best for everyone here. Thank you and have a nice night.
sorry that youre too moronic to realize i meant i work on the optic in the picture
> zero experience with a scope on a rifle.
i think you look thru the scope and dont see a giant sight blocking the center and then your caveman brain cant comprehend that maybe the center field is dimmer and lower contrast so you claim it makes no difference
Yeah, you've def never shot anyone before.
Shut the frick up, you fricking pog.
noguns
That's right, wienersucker, go back to the armory and give me my gat.
>M45
So you're PMO lmao. Nta btw.
Frick PMO all my homies hate PMO. Plus I called him a pog so it isn't a huge mystery what I was.
No I pretty much just came into the thread and saw that the guy was a pog and I decided to bully him. I don't know what you guys are talking about and don't care to follow the thread.
oh lol, so the optics homosexual still refuses to post guns
That's why I thought it would be so funny that you'd call him a pog as pmo.
is that your "unique rifle unique to you that's totally a dox"?
.jpg
Any credibility out the window lmaooo
NTA but
I don't even know where to start.
>filename
Shut up homosexuals.
This guy still can't post his one single rifle because he "might be doxxed". b***h ass kid.
Tell that to all the guys that shot insurgents for the last 23 years with optics on rifles with FSBs. I found a pic of you, btw.
holy shit I had that exact toy gun as a kid, loved the shit out of it
Sorry moron, forced depth of field is only a thing in video games. I have an LPVO on a fixed front sight rifle. On 1x, the front sight sits like a lower 1/3rd cowitness, once you crank it up, the front sight magically disappears.
>On 1x, the front sight sits like a lower 1/3rd cowitness
then your sight isnt past the center point of the optic, moron
That would be true, if it was an absolute coziness. Which it isn't. moron.
The whole point of a lower 1/3rd cowitness is to have your optic ABOVE the normal sight line.
>lower 1/3 is above the halfway point
ok moron
>noguns vidyageamer
noguns
wrong. I even have a rifle with a scope and iron sights but the iron sight doesnt extend directly into the center of the scopes line of sight. I get a brighter higher contrast image this way.
noguns
>I own a lot of guns therefore i know more about optical performance than you, an optical technician of 15 years
enjoy your dim low contrast image dummy
noguns
great argument. really impressive
noguns
>Verification not required.
noguns confirmed. You'd post it otherwise.
>please dox yourself
no thanks
Not even a part of this argument but
>it's doxing to post my gun!
Pathetic nogunz b***h.
>posting a pic of your rifle is doxxing yourself
>posting a gun that is unique to me isnt doxing myself
dummies
I can see you are shifting to into pretending to be a moron to cope.
>get into argument with psychopaths online
>here have a picture of my unique guns so you can find me
Dude, you're not slick.
wat
Then post it, optics b***h. We're all waiting. Since apparently you know how a fighting rifle should be set up despite the thousands of brown people that were shot by rifles set up like that in the last few decades. Hell, my M16A4 with an RCO obviously had an RCO on it and you don't see it while looking through that thing. You have been playing too many videogames and you think that looking through a scope is like just zooming in. You hage no experience at all and it's obvious.
Nta. But what he is saying is true. It does reduce the contrast even if you don't see the post. It just doesn't matter at all and is imperceptible to 99% of people that will use the rifle.
I need this cuck to post his own rifle since he's such an expert. I need to see his amazing setup that is so apparently amazing that he can't be critiqued. He can't and won't do it because he doesn't have any real world experience at all.
Read what you just posted and try to understand why it makes you look like such a homosexual
You're still not talking to the guy who's rifle you originally posted some dumb shit about. I'm just a guy with combat experience pissing on a guy that takes pictures of the moon and acts like he understands the last 25 years of optics on rifles in real world situations. You have never shot a rifle in anger. You are a fricking PHOTOGRAPHER.
>You are a fricking PHOTOGRAPHER.
Sounds like something Lebowski would say.
Nobody calls me Lebowski. You got the wrong guy. I'm the Dude, man.
Your name's Lebowski, Lebowski.
Do you see a wedding ring on my finger? Does this place look like I'm frickin married? The toilet seat's up, man.
>You are a fricking PHOTOGRAPHER.
no, i am a technician. i disassemble. repair, optically align, etc lenses costing up to $12,000. Ive probably repaired like 10,000 lenses.
>You're still not talking to the guy who's rifle you originally posted some dumb shit about.
and? the only people im being "stuck up" to are people posting "hurr durr no guns" and "hurrr you never shot a rifle with an optic durrr"
>You have never shot a rifle in anger.
wow now whos being stuck up
>I'm just a guy with combat experience
and yet you admit
>Is it optimal? Probably not.
when all I originally stated (and politely) was a simple fact
noguns
I can smell the nogunz rage from here, all you gotta do is post a rifle
great arguments dumdums
great gun sniperman
noguns
Starting to think this guy really is Dutch, lmao
But where is your bigboi NASA inspired antimaterial rifle?
Just post a basic gun without any unique traits, or censor the photo. You could have done this long ago. The real travesty though is asking others to post guns without posting any themselves, they have no skin in the game yet expect others to have it, hypocrisy
>The real travesty though is asking others to post guns without posting any themselves
yes I agree, they are really big dummies
noguns
no
guns
Doesn't matter at all when you have a rifle that is meant for shooting people and not taking pictures of things in fricking outer space.
You are actually dumb as frick for posting things like this. Weenie ass behavior.
>it
>he thinks I only have 1
pathetic
no, everyone thinks you have 0
noguns
Idk why you're being stuck up about a nonissue. Even worse since it's someone else's gear. Is it optimal? Probably not. Is it functional? Yes so it's g2g.
all I said in my initial post was "your sight is blocking your scope". think you should read the responses to that to determine whos being stuck up.
>Is it optimal? Probably not. Is it functional? Yes
which is what ive said all along
OK. Then best to stop instead of carrying on with this pointless argument.
have you seen the OP? this is a troll thread
I don't follow gun celebs other than less than a handful so idk who he is
Hop apparently has his boyfriend post threads with him in the OP.
Seems dumb but that's pretty normal for the internet
noguns
I mean you're technically correct. Though if someone handed me a reliable 18", 16", 14.5", 12.5", 11.5", or 10.5" AR I wouldn't exactly feel poorly armed either.
The aeronautics engineer with a slide ruler got it right.
20" is the way to go.
I also have a 16" and it's nice, too.
20" is a negligible gain in velocity yet is significantly more difficult to use in tight spaces.
I like 16 inches because it works well on my rifle.
20 inch is only worth it with 1:12 twist and 55gr rounds.
>hop pic
>irrelevant time wasting question
>lust provoking image
Hop isn't cute. He looks like a psycho that's into skincare.
Face the wall, please.
>dead eyes
>smug smile
Not cute
Wrong.
It is correct.
i tell you how things are. you never tell me shit. that's the way this goes.
really glad to see LGBT women take self defense seriously these days
Not a woman
>5.56lets coping about barrel length
cute.
>m17s
Woah hot pls post more
How's the reliability and the trigger? Is there a backlog to buy these still?
With 5.56, you should always have as much barrel length as you can reasonably get away with.
Idiot fashion victim take.
Anyone that has an autistic obsession with fighting about barrel length have experienced early childhood neglect or abuse.
Console war kids grew up and needed something else to autistically fixate on.
You posted this in another thread, and all it does is illustrate how much of an old frick you are.
>all it does is illustrate how much of an old frick you are.
Close but no, it's worse. I'm an unoriginal frick who parrots other peoples disses.
Don't worry anon, I didn't mean to sound as rude as I did either.
So why don't you?
Good question, I've never really got around to buying a 500 S&W or a BFR. I reckon variety is a good thing but arguing about barrel length like it's some dogma you have to follow is the kind of geekdom even a fricking geek like myself cannot be assed to care about and anyone that does is trying to minmax in a reality that never will be
Also are you telling me the entirety of USSOCOM and JSOC is wrong?
You're all gays fighting about shit that doesn't matter and the way you all go about it is pathetic and reeks of desperation.
First day here, tard?
I know enough to know that you've drank yourself halfway into a stupor on a Saturday so now you're trying to prove you're the smartest toughest obese homosexual in the /k/ thread. Again. Just have a nice day already.
Post tummy.
Imitation is flattery but you don't deserve that
moronic fake deep schizo babble. have a nice day gay.
Post tummy
As opposed to yours? Take your own medicine, cyanide recommended
Tempted to just post my gun and say it's that camera anon's but it's irons with an A2 front which goes against what he's arguing
Pic unrel
You should have done it
There was only ever one answer
daily reminder that some of us live in new york
it's going to be funny when you are using your 10.5 and you can't penetrate a barrier. meanwhile, a guy with a 16+ inch rifle will use that extra velocity to wreck your body full of bullets and shrapnel behind that cover.
>this gay thinks barrel length matters more than ammo choice
Just run OTMs if you're worried about it.
You don't ONLY run 55gr and 62gr do you, anon?
>watching Hop vids
>calling anything else cucked
Clown world
what is the logic here
post view thru sight
Daddy?
>Mfw he chose the best sight
I want a 20", but I can't find a good complete quad rail.
Don't care didn't ask
14.5 not too long, not too short. Some women say they even prefer the shorter length.
It's AVERAGE
16" is a bit useless but 16.5" with rifle length gas system gives you a handy rifle with reduced recoil.
I've got a reason.
Varied calibers have varied optimal lengths before most of the powder has burnt off.
Some calibers are optimal between 20 and pistol length.
The argument then for the validity of the many calibers compatible wirh an ar.
>Arguing barrel lengths like it's really going to make a difference
No, you don't understand! That extra 100 feet per second is all the difference between turning someone into mist and poking a tiny hole that everyone laughs at me about!
>No you don't understand you just have to have an objectively inferior thing because it's not that big of a difference!
Why don't you just sell every firearm you own other than a .22?
I think a better argument would be asking why I don't exclusively just own the biggest possible bullet I can reasonably afford and own
its only 16 inches because when they made the first law about weapons not being shorter then a specific length, they made it both rifles and shotguns as 18 inches
then some intern in the government went
>hey, uh, bob, didnt we just surplus like a billion m1 carbines
>yeah, why
>uh those are 17.75 inch barrels. we just sold like a billion illegal weapons to our own civilians
>uh...hand me the white out
/k/ will literally believe ANYTHING and spout the most moronic shit as long as it can continue to feel contrarian and special. have a nice day, OP.
*laughing in MK12 MOD HOLLAND
Nobody cares about barrel length outside of this moronic no-guns board.
You Black folk know you can buy various types of loading that make .223/5.56 perform more optimally for certain barrel lengths? Arguing about barrel length is basically splitting hairs over the info available at the very tip of the iceberg
Which is easier and cheaper: getting a barrel length that is optimized for commonly available ammunition, or optimizing your ammunition to the most common barrel length?
16 inch midlength fake dissy> shit for homosexuals
Why can't we have real dissies? I want this to be a reliable thing god damn it
Because it's inherently unreliable trash and the only reason it exists is for a longer sight radius or maybe softer recoil with lol556.
In other words it's pointless.
making a barrel specifically for dissies is a pain in the ass compared to just shoving an extra ill fitting fsb on a carbine or middy you had laying around.
thats a whole nother production line you have to set up.
meanwhile you were making the other things already if dissys dont sell you just assemble as m4gerys and ship it.
if dissy only barrels dont sell cause its a niche product they just sit there taking up warehouse space.
14.5" is honestly optimal as a middle ground between short and long, but I'm not putting my name on a registry to knock an inch and a half off my OAL. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. 16" is close enough to 14.5" that it deserves its place as the standard due to NFA moronation.
Now, 20" can work for any reasonable use. Hardcore spec ops raids are frequently done with a 14.5" rifle plus a 6" suppressor. That's the same OAL as a 20". It really comes down to preference.
I don't even own an AR. I just watch hop to listen to my parasocial boyfriend talk about his hobbies
He's mine. Get your own tall gun owning twink bf to cuddle you and bite your neck.
12.5" ARs are peak kino