>16“ barrels are considered (too) long now
>16 barrels are considered (too) long now
>16“ barrels are considered (too) long now
Preparedness & self-sufficiency community
>16“ barrels are considered (too) long now
14.5" is also too long
anything below 18" is too short
18.1" is just the right size
18” is king
That's what She said!
Me personally, I never go below 20"
Is 18" midlength okay? I don't like too short of a dwell time since I shoot a lot of cheap ammo
because armor is getting better and more common?
the long barrel/high vel. used to be superior when at most it has to go through a cheap flak jacket, but now the higher maneuverability/slightly lower velocity coupled with an "aim for the pelvis" doctrine might be a better tradeoff
that's a whole lot of mental gymnastics to dance around the actual conclusion that 5.56 is obsolete
well that was a given buddy
you're not my buddy guy
I don't identify as a guy, pal.
In 556 legal states hunters use 77gr softpoints on everything. They use 77 software in hogs here cause they're vermin (VA). Those suckers take souls. Not my fault you assholes keep buying feather light steel core.ice picks
This. Everybody and their mom just had to have a 1:7 twist barrel because that's what milspec is. And now, a decade plus later, FINALLY thanks to PSA we're seeing a budget 77grain loading. Goes to show how not seriously the AR market takes accuracy and terminal effect.
yurofag here. we are allowed to use 223/556 on fox and deer and it works well.
larger animals call for the mighty 30-06 (or at least 308)
Bait but I would be inclined to agree if there was a viable replacement for mass issuance that could pen lvl iv. The new Sigger round can't do this
>Shellshock hybrid case
>77TMK, but with a hardened steel core
Why not just go with something in a pistol caliber at that point?
i think the better conclusion is probably pic related.
oh no no no no no 30calboomers and tumbleteens
God that tiny stock looks so stupid.
because pistol calibers can't reach as far and have less energy
They're still pretty capable though. You can get out to 100 yards with them with a 2" +/- zero, and if you really know your shit you can push them out to 300 yards. In regard to energy I don't subscribe to that and neither does all the people who went to Iraq. Either you get a CNS shot or you don't. I won't deny rifles are generally superior though, but a PCC for close range is still extremely viable.
Flak jackets could never EVER even come close to stopping a standard 5.56 round. Hell they aren't even rated for 9mm (though they MIGHT stop one from a long distance). It's a FLAK jacket... You know... For FLAK
>because armor is getting better and more common?
That’s retarded. Body armor that can stop rifle rounds has been around for decades.
Yes, but now they can reliably stop several rounds.
Russian propaganda says we are gay morons. Go be that somewhere else, moron gay.
bro, 5.56/223 isn’t really going to do much if we’re talking proper lvl IV plates. The barrel length argument for the AR is mainly coming from civilian side. The military has long accepted the cartridge being not adequate up against lvl IV equivalent armor long ago.
At the end of day, it won’t really matter what length ar you have if you’re by your lonesome self and a group of trained and coordinated team in full gear and equipment comes for you. They will also have full medical services backing them as well. At that point booby trapping everything around you and strapping a big ass bomb on yourself would be more detrimental to them than being armed with a gun.
If we’re talking just you against some criminals, they don’t wear armor. Unless you pissed off the cartel for them to send full geared death squad at you.
that’s the only upside of living in a mostly noguns country. if the shtf no invader or looter or whatever will have body armor. they won’t even have firearms. Me on the other hand does. and 223/556 works like a charm on flesh targets. no matter the barrel length
Until you realize that there's no SHTF and the real danger of living in a noguns country is the government putting you and your family in a camp foe whatever made up reason and you can't even properly fight the gov
it’s not like I’m limited to 5.56.
got a 12g shotty and 30-06 bolt action rifle too. honestly I can’t even be arsed to buy any more guns. I’m basically just stockpiling ammunition at this point
I should be doing this but I always want a new gun...
>be a castrated moron-worshiping gay in a mutted shithole overrun with crime and degeneracy
Flak jackets are extremely unlikely to stop 5.56 out of any reasonable barrel length, 10.5” vs 16” makes little difference in relation to this.
Both 10.5” and 16” rifles will also penetrate IIIA readily at close-medium ranges, 16” only has a circumstantial advantage at longer ranges.
In fact the need to aim for nonvital areas has arguably made tissue damage more important. A 3” hole vs a 4” hole in your thoracic cavity is likely to be a one shot stop either way, but hitting the intestines/pelvis/thighs may require multiple shots which means the longer barrel’s damage advantage is more likely to actually change the number of rounds required for incapacitation.
>what 5.56 round makes a 3-4” hole
77 gr TMK.
Only for urbanite scum.
I don't give a fuck about what redditors are doing.
Would. Too bad her music sucks and she has a room-temp IQ
18in or bust
How's that shoot? Any issues?
Unironically better than the 10/22 target model I used to have
Normally don’t like tripfags but you are a cool guy
love it, wildest shit ive ever seen in my fuckin life
for the mantel piece?
Who's the guy on the mag well?
16“ is babby size
What did you determine was the optimal load out for your size?
why do ARfags give such a shit while AKfags don't seem to care at all? 16 inch AR with the stock fully extended is about the same length as an AK74, but nobody every screams YOU'RE GONNA DIE INNA CQB!!! at AKfags. Its not like AK users in the US are forced to use 16 inch barrels, barrel swaps aren't super easy like on an AR but you can get shorter barreled AKs here.
12.5" 7.62x39 AK is superior to your 4" of cope you got hanging off your AK
Because the AR crowd generally consists of suburbanite bored men and teenagers who fantasize about being a le epic operator like in their movies and video games. So they focus on everything that spec ops/SWAT guys do, and despite having no real experience, will argue about it online ad nauseum. AR guys LARP but they dont think they're LARPING they take it seriously. While AK fags generally just buy the guns either for self aware LARP/collecting purposes, or because it's a just a simple intermediate cartridge rifle that's good enough to kill anyone and anything with and they're not focused on silly minutia that won't even come into play if you ever have to actually shoot someone with your rifle.
This is why morons and commies who aren't really into guns also like the AK platform. It's simple, reliable, easy to clean and work with, and will allow you to easily shoot a man out to 300 yards with very little training. LARP vs Tool
>and will allow you to easily shoot a man out to 300 yards with very little training. LARP vs Tool
The fact you laugh at an AK hitting a man at 300 yards with no problem shows just how little you know about guns lol
because ak fags are fucked in so many ways that the barrel length isn't worth even discussing.
Someone with an AK obviously isn't taking anything seriously so it's just a waste of effort.
If you can't shoot with AK irons, you can't shoot period.
purposefully handicapping yourself with something that you may have to use to defend yourself and loved ones to gain some weird sense of superiority is very silly.
It makes no fucking difference. Your family will die because your a fucking retard, not because your AR barrel length didn't suit the flavour of the month.
You could have a double barrel shotgun, in real terms if you need to shoot someone with it their ging down.
this is cope. I will take every advantage I can get in a firefight.
And how many firefights have you been in?
An AR with a 30 round mag will see you though any situation you will actually be in, doesn't matter if it has a 10.5" or 30" barrel.
But anon, how will he look to all the other larpers who will talk about his shoot on PrepHole if all he had was a basic bitch M&P 15 with a rear BUIS and an A2 FSB?
I really like my 11.5 and my 14.5, but have a 16 and want a 10.3. And I don’t lose sleep over any of it, only making sure my rifle is reliable and accurate and I know its capabilities.
The poorfag with irons only has probably learned to crawl, walk, run in that order.
When I was on a pretty legit team, we had to qualify with irons only, including 400M course using carry handle old school 10.3 Commandos built on A1 lowers. Only when you made it to CQD school did you get the 416/Eotech/laser.
Reddit deserves it but based shotgun enjoyer. I have a ton of that Win 00 but it patterns pretty bad. And FFS take the SBS pill.
>no operator camo gear
>no guntuber beard
step your larp game up you normalfag
>no operator camo gear>
SOP against camo bc we didn’t want to be confused with .mil.
> no guntuber beard>
Because beards are gay, especially when it’s 120 degrees and you can just have disguise branch fot you for one when needed for ops.
Tell me your experience is limited to playing COD without telling me.
i was kidding you dumb moron
My autism missed the obvious sarcasm in the Guntoober beard reference.
I bought an 11.5” barrel and built it on an Aero receiver set. I really like the 11.5” length (I had a .gov 11.5 Bushmaster) but mine has a super heavy barrel.
>he even bought a LARP badge
not bad. fine, i'll take it back.
this guy LARPs.
I have my agency badge in Lucite but am gonna stay secret squirrel on that. I just LARP mentally now.
im just goofing around my moron. i could tell from your first pic you are not a lowlife larper 🙂 they look different
I am mentally ill for leaving a job where all I did was shoot, train, get gear and kill time for an investigative agency with no shit ethics. Civvie now.
sounds based and yes, you dun goofed. i'd try to get your old job back
nice LARP patches you got there
Did you build or buy your 11.5? I'm looking to get one myself for HD
just use your handgun for HD. or do you think some bad guys gonna raid you big time?
That's fair anon
load your 9mm with some top of the line hollowpoints and you gonna drop anyone with ease
Long guns absolutely shit on handguns in every way except concealability. That’s not a factor in HD. Will a pistol work? Of course. Is a rifle or a shotgun better? Yes. You can shoot them faster, more accurately, and are far more likely to put the guy down with one shot.
no shit long guns do a better job than handguns.
but I hate how handguns are considered a toy at this point. a good defensive 9mm load is not a joke and a pistol is agile as fuck
>but I hate how handguns are considered a toy at this point
When did I or anyone else say that?
>and a pistol is agile as fuck
What? How do you define agile? Time to first shot? Because that’s quicker with a long gun
>Long guns absolutely shit on handguns in every way except concealability
Well except for how handguns are easier to keep on or near your person at all times. I've seen more examples of people getting shot during a home invasion because they had to run and get their gun rather than immediately being able to respond, than I have cases where a handgun in practiced hands wouldn't be good enough. Just because a gun with specs that are X much better than other options exists doesn't mean that you might get into a situation where that difference will actually matter.
>Well except for how handguns are easier to keep on or near your person at all times.
Well now we’re vastly expanding from
>I want x for home defense
>you need a layered and multifaceted defense plan
Which you do. And I agree with you. I have pistols all over my house because it’s easier to hide them and have them accessible. However the original question was asking for 1 gun, which typically means the bedside gun (or whatever), and I stand by what I said about long guns. They are better
>However the original question was asking for 1 gun, which typically means the bedside gun (or whatever), and I stand by what I said about long guns.
>he doesn't move his carry gun with him around his house throughout the day
Sleeping? Set it on your dresser. On your computer? Set it on your desk. Showering? Set it on the toilet lid.
Besides that, you're much more likely to need to defend yourself in public, so if you're prioritizing home defense for just 1 defensive gun then you're doing it wrong.
NTA. I carry a pistol, and I go so far as to agree that it is the primary civilian defensive implement, but there are good reasons for a rifle to be go-to home defense implement. Is it always on you? No, and when that's the case you have your pistol. But if you have to shoot someone, you should be shooting at them as you're moving towards your rifle. Because that's the weapon you are verifiably more accurate, more lethal, and more reactive with. Is it a weapon every encounter requires? No. But there's no reason to be satisfied with an inferior alternative that happens to be convenient.
>exposing yourself to unnecessary danger clearing rooms to get to your rifle rather than just holding your position with your pistol that will work just fine
>unnecessary danger clearing rooms
You "clear" rooms of danger. If I am sitting in my living room, my rifle is in my bedroom, and someone attacks me from my front door or largest window, moving back to my bedroom only requires I move away from the attacker to the next doorway I can control the attacker from. This is not a unique arrangement- you'll find that many houses put the bedrooms further away from points of entrance than common areas. Your characterization is irresponsible and inaccurate.
Most of the houses I've been in have a layout that would allow for an attacker to enter through a door and be in a position where you'd at least be exposed to them while moving to a bedroom from many areas of the house, even if they aren't in a room where you'd need to pass through directly. Bathroom locations are particularly troublesome for this unless you're dealing with an attached bathroom.
>Now you’re moving even further off topic into carry guns.
I'm not the one who brought up having just 1 gun.
If the bedroom is not an effective place to stow a firearm in your house, then stow your long gun in a position that works according to your layout. It is still the more lethal, more accurate, more effective tool that you are better off using. If you get truly cut off from it, shame, you better still have a pistol to fight with then, but it's ridiculous to come up with these ancillary considerations like they justify not typically having a superior option at hand.
>It is still the more lethal, more accurate, more effective tool
Post a real world case where that would actually make a difference. Otherwise I see zero reason to complicate things with plans for anything other than using the same pistol I carry and holding whatever position I'm in.
>Post a real world case where that would actually make a difference
My argument isn't couched in a rifle being better for some situations and some threats (multiple attackers, body armor, whatever). If it were, substantiating that those threats are reasonable threats would be important. But that's not my argument. I'm saying rifles are more accurate, lethal, and effective. Let's look at data based on real world defensive shootings where rifles and pistols were employed and see which were more effective, because that's the more accurate piece of substantiating evidence for my argument.
Nearly eighteen hundred shootings over a decade? Sounds like enough data to be compelling to me. According to it, 58% of all centerfire rifle shots are immediate stops, with 1.4rds per incapacitation on average. For 9mm those numbers are 34% and 2.45rds. For .357 they were 44% and 1.7rds. For .45 they were 39% and 2.08. Looks like if you take many, many defensive situations into account you'd probably be significantly better off with a rifle than a pistol.
>My argument isn't couched in a rifle being better for some situations and some threats (multiple attackers, body armor, whatever). If it were, substantiating that those threats are reasonable threats would be important.
So you don't actually have an argument and are just arguing for the sake of arguing?
>But that's not my argument. I'm saying rifles are more accurate, lethal, and effective.
And sports cars are faster, have better acceleration, and have better handling. That doesn't change how none of that makes a difference for getting to work or the grocery store.
>posting fucking one shot stop stats
>So you don't actually have an argument and are just arguing for the sake of arguing?
No. When I say that a chainsaw is better at cutting down trees than an axe, I don't have to base that argument on a specific kind of tree chainsaws can cut that axes can't and then prove that tree's prevalence to justify myself. I can bring up the relevant statistics from people using each over time which shows one consistently does the job better, and that would justify my position. In the same way, when I say a rifle is better than a pistol, I don't have to base that argument on a certain type of threat pistols can't handle but rifles can and then prove that threat's prevalence to justify myself. I can just bring up the relevant statistics from people using each over time which shows one consistently does the job better.
>And sports cars are faster, have better acceleration, and have better handling. That doesn't change how none of that makes a difference for getting to work or the grocery store.
The data proves it does, though. What I showed you isn't the equivalent of sports car specs- in this case it would be muzzle energy instead of 0-60, capacity standing in for horsepower, whatever. What you saw was data showing how all those metrics translate to real-world use, and how those uses compare. In the analogy, it's a report showing that people in sports cars with more horsepower do actually get to work and to the grocery store faster than everyone else, so maybe there's something to all that acceleration and handling.
Accusing me of not having an argument and then dismissing the source with a "yeah" is hypocritical. If you have a specific issue with the methodology I'd love to hear it, otherwise it looks like you don't actually have an argument and you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
>No. When I say that a chainsaw is better at cutting down trees than an axe, I don't have to base that argument on
>but if I just strip away all context in a scenario, despite that context making the scenario
Fuck off retard.
>If you have a specific issue with the methodology
It's been beaten to death here and elsewhere. Look at the .32 ACP numbers for percent one shot stops that you conveniently glossed over, or how .22lr from a handgun averages less rounds to incapacitation than anything other than a shotgun and outperforms most handgun ammo for one shot stops, then fuck off.
>but if I just strip away all context in a scenario, despite that context making the scenario
That's not what I did. If you disagree, you can tell me why a rifle has to be justified on the basis of countering a specific threat, and can't just be justified on the basis of verifiably using fewer bullets to greater effect. Or you could engage with my argument and try to prove rifles aren't more lethal than pistols, that's also an option. Or you can call me a retard some more because trying to justify either of those positions is way harder.
>Look at the .32 ACP numbers for percent one shot stops that you conveniently glossed over
The ones the author specifically calls out as unreliable due to a small sample size in that caliber?
>or how .22lr from a handgun averages less rounds to incapacitation than anything other than a shotgun and outperforms most handgun ammo for one shot stops
Thankfully for us the researcher collected multiple types of data alongside one shot stop percentage, and even directly addresses your concern on how .22lr's data may be misleading by offering up the complexities offered by the rest of the data.
In all I'm willing to concede that the study is not empirically authoritative, which is no surprise because very few surveys are. But the breadth of the data points collected lends the whole thing some veracity, and most of the conclusions we can draw align with what we see in every other realm this decision has been made. If you're going to kill a human-sized animal, a long gun is going to be your choice to do that. Shooting deer? Pistol works, but preferably long gun. Shooting soldiers? Pistol works, but preferably long gun. Shooting home intruder? Turns out, pistol works, but preferably long gun.
>>but if I just strip away all context in a scenario, despite that context making the scenario
>Fuck off retard.
Says the retard now also saying an ace is better than a chainsaw for cutting down a tree
>And sports cars are faster, have better acceleration, and have better handling. That doesn't change how none of that makes a difference for getting to work or the grocery store.
That’s not an equivalent example smoothbrain. Getting groceries is going to the range, not using them on living targets. If you want to use cars, you need to say them being raced on the clock.
>Post a real world case where that would actually make a difference.
All of them. I can keep a .22 handgun on me at all times and that would work in HD. Is that what you’d recommend to get? We all know you wouldn’t. Quit being a fag
How exactly did they get past you to be in rooms further into your house? Are ninjas breaking in?
>Besides that, you're much more likely to need to defend yourself in public, so if you're prioritizing home defense for just 1 defensive gun then you're doing it wrong.
Now you’re moving even further off topic into carry guns. Which again, I don’t disagree with you, but that’s not the original topic. The topic was a HD gun. Not a carry gun.
comfy size especially when paired with a suppressor. have you considered the 300blackout cartridge at that barrel length?
Yes I finally live in a free state and want to get a 10.3 for a suppressor. I will get threaded FH for my 14.5 P&W too when I figure out which brand I get.
Looked into it, despite only having more experience now, no callback. The good news is they are recruiting trans!
just tell them you identify as a girl now. might work wonders
That and I’ll add I have immediate family that works for the PLA.
Does not fear the pin and weld chad.
Need Elcan, complete Dad rifle.
Post guns, suppressor, nods, drone, thermals, ghille suit, level 4+ plates, helmet, and boots then gay. Put your money where your mouth is.
and dont you dare posting a bump helmet
>guns, suppressor, level IV plates
Those are literally the only ones that help in HD. Thermals indoor are retarded. You don’t need NODS inside your own home. You know where things are already. Also light switches exist bro.
Do you really think people don’t own suppressors and plates? They aren’t even that expensive. You can even argue suppressors don’t give you an advantage in winning the gunfight. They only protect your hearing during it
Personally if I have the time to don body armor I probably have time to put on ear pro. And I think an unsuppressed gun and ear pro would be better since every gun shot will probably be like a flashbangs going off in the enemies face. At room distances even a suppressor is damaging to the ears so there's no way it would hide the shooters location. So yes you're correct but these vidyeah fags just don't get it. A pro of a suppressor though is quickly being able to grab a gun that won't permanently give you tinnitus which I admit is a good reason to have one.
>So yes you're correct but these vidyeah fags just don't get it. A pro of a suppressor though is quickly being able to grab a gun that won't permanently give you tinnitus which I admit is a good reason to have one.
Exactly. I keep electronic ear pro next to my bed because I’ll have an extra second to throw it on and I don’t want hearing damage.
Cooe. You still haven't posted yours so your opinions are irrelevant.
I’m not even the guy you first responded to dipshit. You know I’m right. Here, I just got this thermal recently. Your turn
How sturdy are the Midwest rails? They look pretty nice.
They seem very sturdy. Haven’t used it yet so I can’t say for certain but I like them. Price to value seems quite good to me
>It makes no fucking difference.
That’s not a good answer. I honestly think in the event of a home invasion I could defend myself just fine with my rough rider .22. That doesn’t mean it’s smart to do so. Even if the outcome is the same
>It makes no fucking difference
Take any retard and have them shoot two identical guns ASIDE from one having irons, and one having a red dot, see which they do better with.
Putting glowing dot on bad guy is infinitely less complex than lining up irons in the dark and placing them where they need to go. You're better of point-shooting in that situation. Hell, I'd say you're probably better of point shooting in situations like that in general, but I digress.
Not everyone IS that superLARPer8r guy and just wants a simple gat to blast with or defend their property/people with. They're better off with a 16" AR from PSA with a SIG or Holosun dot than a carry handle and FSP. Braced "pistols" were popular for a reason, even if I don't really think I'd volunteer to light off a 7.5" AR indoors, with or without earpro. But, you could get a 13.7" P&W and be legal and a smidge shorter, and be golden. Seeking efficiency isn't a bad thing. We're not all trying to measure our dicks against each other. You like irons? Great. Tyronius Thotfuckius needs to impress Shaniqua while also tactically operating at the nearest 7/11 parking lot, and you sound like you'd get along with him quite well.
AKs have often have slightly heavier barrels that will stand up to rates of fire common in trench clearing operations and handles heavy fouling slightly better than the average AR (the gun still needs frequent cleaning in heavy combat) the AK does handle the moisture related issues with operating in a cold climates a lot better than your average AR does which could be a real concern for a civilian user.
If you need to fire 300ish rounds vs criminals invading your home then the cheap AR is superior for the average US citizen because the gun is more accurate and more reliable in some cases.
This. I went shooting yesterday and it starting to heavily snow. My ak's were fine but got a couple of failure to fire on my ar15.
After going to a couple 2-gun matches, I see it like this:
>the very fastest guys just run AR's - usually just a dot
>the middle crowd is a mixed bag of both AK's and AR's
>the very worst are also guys with AR's: usually from dropping mags mid course, dropping mags on a reload with a closed bolt, or needing to do a surprise charge when the LRBHO didn't work.
I like AK's in that that they just work. Rock and lock mags are reliable and they're gassed to fuck so are gonna cycle if they do go bang, and manual of arms is pretty dependable: you know you're gonna need to charge every time lol. You can make a race gun out of an AR, but you really should take time to dial it in.
>>the very worst are also guys with AR's
Because they are the most common and easiest to get into. I bet the worst guys also use glock or M&Ps.
ARs are definitely superior for competition. I fail how this has to do with combat where reliability and durability are more important than unrealistic speed reloads. If stages where designed in such a way where there was no reloads necessary for the rifle portion and we lived in a country where the AK was as ubiquitous as the AR, we'd be seeing a lot more AKs finishing at the top. Unfortunately the fact 5.45 is a dead caliber and it's hard to find quality AKs in that caliber relegates AKs to mediocre scores as you're probably using 7.62x39 to compete against 5.56
Anon how do you feel about 556 AKs?
Not him but 5.56 in an AK doesn't feel right
It doesn't feel right to me either. But with the price of 7.62, 556 or even 308 make more sense in almost every conceivable way financially speaking. Also, live in the US, and it's also logistically superior. Personally, I have an AK in 762. However, that was before Ukraine. Now, with my 306 AK, I feel like I have far more options in regards to ammo and what I can do with the platform. I'm excited to see a more modern AR VS AK discussion
I would rather just build an AR at that point
AR-15s were originally built for 5.56, and I'm the kind of guy who generally prefers his stuff to shoot for what it was designed for.
Now that doesn't apply to all guns, because the USP can shoot amazing with all 3 of the big 3 semi auto calibers, and Glocks for the most part can do well with that too
That brownie is not a woman
and neither are you, nor you will be
Who said it needed to be? And what does that have to do with you retards worshipping the obese Cheeto who took your guns away and tried to give morons 65 billion in a bribe?
You're not fooling anybody here you Langley gay
>how do you do, fellow gun racists
>vote for DemoKKKrats to defeat grabbers and Blackids 🙂
>If you need to fire 300ish rounds vs criminals invading your home then the cheap AR is superior for the average US citizen
You're admitting they are bad iron sights. Why would you purposely handicap yourself? But since you’re always a tack driver and can obviously outshoot me when youre using AK irons, why don’t you pick a better option and shoot circles around us all?
AKfags are struggling to afford their guns and find their ammunition
I love my WASR but shooting it has become so damn expensive thanks to that fucktard Brandon and his pets in Ukraine causing that stupid war to make the prices jacked up
Now I'm stuck with the goddamn AR for the sake of practicality
I don't understand the "AK ammo is hard to find" argument. I've never had trouble finding it, even during the height of Covid when even 5.56 was nonexistent. It's cheap here too. I can get a box of 20 Tulammo for like $9. Is yours chambered in 5.45 or something? Because, to be honest, even that's still fairly easy to find too at PSA.
It's more about price than anything else really
Russian imports haven’t been cut off fully yet. That’s why
What this anon said:
, we still have 4 months left until imports from Russia completely end. After that the 7.62x39mm market will experience quite a bit of pain as 1/5 of the 7.62x39mm sold and a bit over 4/5 of the steel cased is still Russian.
>the state of trump fags
Why are you bringing him up in a completely unrelated topic? Or are you seriously supporting Biden’s ban on Russian ammo imports?
He started it first conservatard. Personally I'm glad that orange gay is gone and I hope he gets locked up for raping that women in NYC.
>He started it first conservatard
Started what first?
Answer the question you morongay. Do you support the Russian import ban or not?
>thanks to that fucktard Brandon and his pets in Ukraine
who tf actually calls biden 'brandon' anymore other than 50yr old FOX news cultists?
I have zero respect for him, calling him by his actual name is implying have any form of respect for that piece of shit dictator
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>I have zero respect for him, calling him by his actual name is implying have any form of respect for that piece of shit dictator
This made me laugh out loud. I bet you have some hilariously cringey bumper stickers too.
go back to Facebook
You're as bad as libshits saying 45 instead of uttering Trumps name. I even knew one irl who said "ho who shall not be named."
Voldemort much? Children's cartoons much? Kiddult much? Peter Pan syndrome much?
>no fun allowed
>his pets in Ukraine causing that stupid war
>to make the prices jacked up
One, Ukrainians don’t know you exist and didn’t do anything because they had an outcome in mind for you, and it’s narcissistic paranoia to think they do/did.
Two, Ukraine didn’t start the war, they just refused to bend the knee to the people who did, and if you can’t respect that, you’re not a man.
because… SOCOM 11“!!!
probably because being an AKfag in 2023 is such a miserable experience that going into the weeds of optimizing your build seems superfluous when you're wondering how you'll be able to afford to shoot your rifle by this time next year
These days AK buyers are just happy to have a barrel that is straight.
They're not going to go tactical timmy on their gun because wanting anything better than Ivan's Drunken Special is too much to wish for already.
Because less people actually use their AK's for things that aren't just fun at the range I guess/maybe.
Also, plenty of sub-16" AK's floating around, especially for the IG crowd where muh "ALPHA AK"'s are really popular, even though those are cope builds since no-one is shooting 5.45 right now, at least compared to 7.62, or, heaven forbid, 5.56 AK's.
Imagine seeking out purple dyed furniture and not having naturally purple blem anodizing
I remember a forum post about a barret AR being slightly purple and the guy being gay about being told by the customer service guy to just rub some oil on it to see if it's just that or something else. This went on for a few hours until he finally did it to find out it indeed was an issue with anodizing so now he has evidence and can continue with the return process after a simple step and taking a picture.
Tl;dr internet morons be gay and I hope he's seethed himself to death knowing people want to collect weird blems like these and are willing to pay double or more for something in less then okay condition.
The question really is, what cartridge are you shooting? 5.56 needs barrel length to achieve meaningful energies, other cartridges, not so much.
There should only be 3 lengths of barrels when it comes to 5.56 ARs.
>not the best length, 12.5“
Always here it’s too long for carbine but too short for mid length
There should be 2
20 inches is average
Look you little morons, you can get one of each length and there's no excuse not too. These are $400 and they shoot fine. "oh wahhh it's not $4000" well okay then stand 100 yards downrage from me bucko and put an apple on your head
>He uses a Romeo 5
I still have mine after all these years, alright little optic, wouldn't mind putting that on an SP5 or CZ Scorpion if I could ever get one at this point
>PrepHole blabbering about reddit again
Because a it's a mass psyop to get everyone to put their guns on a national registry.
oh shit. mind=blown
god I hate gayR fags and all of modern gun culture
the reason you gays obsess over minutiae like inches of barrel length and optics is that you have no practical skill or experience, so you try to compensate by having The Correct Opinion
>I know how to set up my rifle Optimally that means I know what I'm talking about.
it's so fucking gay. you suck the joy out of existence and replace it with the stench of BO and stale piss. also girls don't want to have sex with you.
t. hasn’t served
Neither has anyone that gets into barrel length pissing matches
>projecting this hard
No one is even doing that. Some rifle lengths are better for certain things.
if you want a gun for home protection you aren't going to get a 20inch because it's awkward as fuck to swing around a confined space.
On the other hand if live in Arizona or Utah or something you probably would want a gun with a longer barrel since you'd reasonably be more likely to encounter longer engagement distances.
>a gun for home protection
buy a stronger door you dumb asshole
>doesn’t even entertain the idea of lighting up joggers jogging through his living room
Why are you even here?
If you want to optimize your home defense, keeping people from breaking into your home is obviously more optimal than letting them kick down your plywood door so you can perforate them with your 9 inch automatic racer musketoon.
>They fall back and panic.
and the guy they're so scared of still ends up dead every time. weird.
>If you want to optimize your home defense, keeping people from breaking into your home is obviously more optimal than letting them kick down your plywood door
No shit Sherlock. But you specifically said to not have a gun for defense
>they still end up dead
What part of “overwhelming numbers” did you not understand?
>we had to use 20 people to stop one guy cooped up
>heh that’ll show those pesky rebels
That’s not a way to win an insurgency. Fighting the military and fighting the local police are miles apart. The latter isn’t much if people are dedicated.
>But you specifically said to not have a gun for defense
No, I said that a sturdy door is more important than an "optimal" home defense gun.
>handguns have no advantage in cqb
>uh but you need a tiny carbine or you'll get hung up on walls like a retard
>>a gun for home protection
>buy a stronger door you dumb asshole
Which strongly implies you don’t think a gun in necessary. You didn’t say “focus on passive security rather than min/maxing a gun”
I do think that for just about anybody who actually takes "home defense" seriously, a "home defense" gun would be unnecessary. That doesn't mean I think you shouldn't have a gun in your home that you could theoretically use to defend it, it means I think that it is superfluous. If they even get inside in the first place, there is almost certainly something you could have done to prevent it.
Nobody wants to live in Fort Knox with steel shutters on every door and window, because its expensive and its ugly and it makes people think you're crazy. Break-ins are a reality. They happen at every time of day, and if you're home you better have an immediate response ready because the time it takes for a security alarm to call police and a unit to arrive is more than enough time to lose your life to a pair of ruffians.
>On the other hand if live in Arizona or Utah or something you probably would want a gun with a longer barrel since you'd reasonably be more likely to encounter longer engagement distances.
>more likely to encounter longer engagement distances.
No, you aren't. This is pure fantasy bullshit.
>This is pure fantasy
No more fantasy than the unlikely event of a self defense shooting
>Verification not required
Actually, it's a lot more fantasy, way WAY more fantasy. How many CCW or home defense shootings in the Arizona/Nevada desert have happened at 200 yards?
>long barrel rifle
I'm not talking about any of those you moron gay.
The second amendment is for fighting government tyranny, end of story.
If you think having a gun that is suitable for your environment applied to the aforementioned context is some kind of fantasy role play I don't give a shit but I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
>I'm gunna take on the gubermint with my 20 inch 5.56
yeah you're totally not a fantasist
It is fantasy. We have trannies openly messing with kids. A non-existent border where Hispanics walk through and come here and rape and kill our women and children. morons out of control with hate crimes. And our own President has openly stated how he's so happy European-Americans will soon be a minority in this nation. The ATF, Politicians and other agencies keep slowly restricting our gun rights. And freedom of speech is dying to feels. No one has fired a single shot against the tyranical government.
And all that being said. If you REALLY cared about fighting tyranny you'd be better off with a nice precision rifles and getting real good with your handgun and getting into explosives because assassinations would be how you win that war. Good luck with trading bullets in a conventional firefight with the modern paramilitary force that is the police or the national guard.
>Good luck with trading bullets in a conventional firefight
You aren’t fighting them directly. You fight all the people doing what you listed. They
>with the modern paramilitary force that is the police or the national guard.
Lol. The police are cowards and on average laughably trained. You see this every time someone actually fights back. They fall back and panic. They don’t know what to do when they don’t have overwhelming numbers and firepower.
If they pull out all the fun toys than yeah, you’re losing. If it’s just trucks and rifles like you normally see they aren’t invulnerable. Also see what I first said.
Yeah they're a bunch of cowards. However it's still millions of cowards vs one guy who stands up to the system. And if you think that the entirety of the US Gov is gonna just let a couple of guys get away because no more cops want to trade fire with whatever militia, think again. That's when the tanks and feds come in.
>b-but the boog is going to happen and I'm going to run around with a rifle like my favorite video games!
>gets detected by a force that vastly outnumbers him before he even sees them
Your reminder that the average infantryman's equipment is worth more than the median yearly income in the US, and their toys only get fancier once you get into all the stuff that doesn't get issued to the average infantryman because the military works as a team. Pic related is now being carried at the squad level.
>loses to Taliban goat herders
>the US pulls out after 20 years of curb stomping the Taliban because people don't see the point of having Afghanistan as a permanent colony
It seems like you've fallen for an extremely romanticized idea of insurgencies and are severely underestimating your enemy. Wasting your life with this fantasy is unhealthy.
they have serious light infantry skills and dont fear dying in combat vs a superior enemy. how can you not respect them for that?
So did the US win or lose though?
Taliban goat herders with BALLS, something the American public doesn't have. Those guys will literally blow themselves up to kick out globohomo. While "conservatives" point to the leftists/libs and say shit like "they're the real racists/transphobes", in the hopes of virtue signaling to the ~~*powers*~~ that be.
Pretty much this. Precision rifles (aka snaypah raiflus) handguns and bombs is how you fight the corrupt tyranical government.
Based rational thinker.
Your AR is only a tiny portion of an infantryman weapon complement. Pretending you are going to engage in infantry fights successfully is stupidity of the highest caliber.
Yes and a bunch of goatfuckers in Afghanistan still managed to defeat us. You fags seem to think that an insurgency is going to be a militia formed up like a conventional force engaging in force on force actions rather than guerillas popping up, taking some shots and then disappearing. And guess what, they'll still need rifles to do so.rn8yr
>Pic related is now being carried at the squad level.
You can buy one of those for $250 off Alibaba. $500 if you want thermals like the $20,000 FLIR branded on does.
can you buy grenades because if not I wouldn't try to go up against an army
Yes it's a $200 tax stamp and a rated explosive storage bunker away. What's your point about fighting the government like some schizo about anyway? My point was a babyshit drone is absolutely nothing and cost exponentially less on the free market.
Lol, imagine actually believing this shit.
It's his cope. let him have it.
>$500 if you want thermals like the $20,000 FLIR branded on does.
I bet you think those $50 night vision goggles are actually night vision too
Lol, I remember a demo video of chinkshit night vision getting posted here and you could clearly see shadows from a light was on somewhere else in the room.
>being carried around at the squad level
>ive never met anybody who's seen a single one even in pog units.
there is an unbelievably massive disparity between the wikipedia article and what the US soldier actually has on his person.
>tfw we're actively training without radios bc they suck and also to avoid getting IDF called down on us the instant the chinks or slavmorons detect a signal.
>No more fantasy than the unlikely event of a self defense shooting
Anon, long range shots in the civilian world are so massively unlikely that even for police snipers the average shot is only 51 yards and the longest recorded shot was 187 yards. For mutual firefights rather than someone who is safe taking a shot at someone who is unaware of their presence, distances drop off to just over 100 yards at the longest, and even those cases require people to do things that would draw significant attention to themselves to come under fire at those distances.
There was just body cam footage of a cop taking a 200 yard shot. It was in WA I think.
That was 183 yards, so shorter than the sniper shot that anon mentioned.
You know, some people shoot outdoors AND want to use that same gun for HD
>Local wildlife have absconded with my daughter
>They're running as fast as a chimp could run, daughter slung under arm
>They're gaining distance, I'd say 180 paces or more!
>Blast it, I only have my trust Glock 42, should've never taken Anon's advice and gotten an HD AR/AK/other just in case
>Fire anyways, wildly letting off rounds, hoping for a hit
>Hits daughter in head, killing her instantly
>Wildlife proceeds to abscond with daughter's lifeless corpse
>See her on BestGore the next day
We tried to warn you anon.
I live in a smol apartment and I've checked how "awkward" it would be to use my 20" barreled AR in the home and it's not awkward at all. Marines in Iraq used these rifles all the time to clear homes in urban combat. Not min/maxed does not mean that it's necessarily bad, my LARPER friend.
Yeah and they used Gen 2 PVS14s with Gen1 Rhino mounts. Just because you 'can' do something doesn't mean it's the most effective. If you were setting a gun up for home defense, one specific task, you probably aren't going to select a 20 inch M16. If that's what you want to do, be my guest, but don't confuse 'acceptable' with 'optimal'.
I'm not confusing acceptable with optional. Originally though it seemed like you were confusing incapable and acceptable. It's really not that big of a deal to use a longer barreled AR in your home. 99.9/100 that longer barrel won't be why you died in a home defense scenario, and DEFINITELY not why you died in a SHTF scenario.
>Marines in Iraq used these rifles all the time to clear homes in urban combat
alot of them also fucking died because of this and you have a wealth of information available to you to see this.
The army immediately ditched the 20 inches m16s for m4s, the marines just couldn't afford to do so because of budget cuts.
Source please. Sources to your information of all these dead Marines who died Because their barrel length was 5 inches longer than an M4s.
BS. For whatever reason they didn't make the switch. I imagine it had more to do with doctrine/tactics than anything. During GWOT there was near unlimited funding for all sorts of things and they eventually bought a significantly more expensive weapon.
this is pure projection. The cope of "if someone has nicer or better set up things than me then he obviously doesn't train"
There are some exceptions of course, but the guys sitting around discussing optimizing their setups are often also discussing skills and drills, you just aren't looking in the places they do that.
There's many hours in the day, one can think about training and skill building and also think about how to make sure his gear doesn't suck.
>skillz n drillz
I've seen how you retards "train".
and how do you train?
I throw rocks at police cars.
I watch youtube videos
>The cope of "if someone has nicer or better set up things than me then he obviously doesn't train"
Everyone I interact with in real life who shoots a lot realizes that gear doesn't make as much of a difference as buyfags hype it up to make. The kind of people who treat guns like in video games where every part can make a significant stat difference don't have much range time under their belt.
The only reason I didn't get a 16 inch is because the FFL wouldn't sell me an upper with a threaded barrel so I had to do a PnW regardless and adding that to a 16 would have been silly.
I think the 14.5 is a pretty good compromise between velocity and every other metric of functionality though so I don't regret my decision.
Also, with all the tacticool shit I have on it if anything I wish I'd had gotten an 11.5 just to shave a bit of extra weight off. 8rhky
I think 16" is fine until you want to put on suppressors or bigger flash hiders/brakes then it crosses into yuge territory.
>16" + suppressor
Same length as an AK-74 and about as front heavy. Why don't people complain 74 users will get killed in the streets due to length?
At one time the M16 was a short and handy rifle.
Because muh retired Navy Seals on garden gnometube said so my dude. Get with the times. Don't you want to be cool?
Stop getting angry over being kilted in the grassy hills, laddie.
I have a suppressed 20" with a heavy can lol, it's fine
because they are hanging too much shit off of it. when you hang a light, some massive muzzle device, a huge optic and maybe an IR meme toy off the front while having a heavier profile rail and barrel then the weight starts to add up and people don't like heavy guns
Reddit lives in my mind rent free
>can buy SBRs no problem
>not allowed to train with them as they’re for hunting only
the pain. I have 2 options now. train with a fucking airsoft SBR or roll with a 16“ rifle
This barrel length discussion is irrelevant now, with several high-pressure case technologies now available, a 20 inch barrel will have a minimal velocity advantage over 11.5 inches.
yes because brass case ammo isn't expensive enough
The new cases are easier to manufacture and use cheaper materials, and they will be competing with each other aswell. 3400fps 62grain out of an 11.5 inch barrel is a massive performance improvement.
Barrel length gayry is the worst. Most of you can't even survive a 5 mile walk and still you find some way to justify needing a le-go-to-war body armor defeating zog cannon. You spend more time trying to overcompensate online with how long your piece of bargain bin steel is than you do actually preparing for the thing you pretend you're ready for. Maybe you losers should hyper fixate on water purification or fitness. Anything actually useful that's not just shitflinging about the $1,200 rifle you never shoot.
If a fat out of shape alcoholic and I average over 20,000 steps in a 7 hour period with no breaks in a warm-hot/humid warehouse type job no problem. Granted I’m not carrying a load, which I’m sure contributes, but I’m moving/carrying heavy shit half the time.
Wow, just over a mile an hour average. Please continue the shitflinging and disregard my post entirely.
I would destroy you in hand to hand combat. I would sit on you on your neck and George Floyd you.
I would hide in my treehouse and shoot you with an inline muzzleloader.
>shoots you beforehand
My fat and fatty/hardened liver deflects the rounds from my more vulnerable organs and presents me the opportunity to engage you in hand to hand combat. The 21 foot rule does not apply to me.
Go stuff your face and put your feet up in your Medacure fatty. Don't forget to crank the air conditioning to evaporate the sweat from your neck.
I actually do have a short and stocky neck that sweats a lot ngl, but I look at it as a combat neck. Seems a lot harder to snap around than a long lanky one.
I’m drunk as shit
Take another shot bitch
I’m drinking voodoo ranger juice force currently. It’s my addiction.
Are you hitting on me?
Yes. I’m a very horny boy.
>ugly poop colored golem
>stating the obvious
most of the people who say this are also fat retards. a standard deviation high enough to know that being fat and retarded is bad but not high enough to stop being fat and retarded.
Wrong. You're also fragile and seething so we can assume that you're probably projecting.
what did i say that was incorrect you fucking mental midget?
The whole thing. Everything you posted. It was all incorrect. You are seething so we can just assume that the original post hit a little too close to home.
14.5“ is the length.
Easy SBRs spoiled us
We should all own 20 inch AR-10s for home defense, just as Eugene Stoner intended
>Easy SBRs spoiled us
it's really this. people who fell for the pistol brace meme are butthurt so they take it out on people who didn't.
While PrepHole swooned over SBR's I studied the M16A2
While PrepHole sucked off SBR's I practiced with the colt 4x
While PrepHole fight over the best 5.56 ammo, I stockpiled M193 en masse
Im still gonna die if anything happens either way, at least someone will find 3 pallets of M193 after I die
Fuck dying, defy the expectations
Trap all your shit beforehand
Any length is good, just understand what you're using it for. There's a difference between better suiting the weapon to it's intended usage and chasing optimization running up mount diminishing returns.
Here: difference between a 13.7" and 10.5" barrel with M193.
11.5” is the superior choice
That settles it..... just ordered a 10.5
Portability is sometimes worth sacrificing a bit of ballistic performance. The drop from 20"-13.ish" is fairly minor, but really starts dropping hard beyond that.
Like all things: it's dependant on your use case.
Did you use "Q3131" or "Q3131A"? Old production or new one? Just bought 960 rounds, want to know if they are good stuff and only have a cheap chinese chrono myself
I can check when I get home, but it's new production I purchased from Rural King. WWB isn't bad in my experience, but expect it's average performance to be more like the 10.5" in consistency than the 13.7".
Just making sure it's at least "average" for "M193", considering the fuckery you can get into with stuff MARKED as "M193", but clearly doesn't perform like it.
And I mean either way, up or down. Tula (IIRC) had an "M193" load, but wasn't even making 2800fps out of 20"-ers, whereas Independence (Israeli company under Federal?) has/had "XM193I" that gets over 3200fps from 16"-ers, which I guess isn't AS bad since it's not STRAIGHT "M193", but close enough people might not think a second thought.
Winchester has been hit or miss, but this sounds like the decent stuff, so no worries there.
I'd like for more to be loaded like Independence personally, but I don't know too many folk that'd complain with more velocity anyways outside boomers on reloading forums that insist fast loads are never accurate, though Independence did have issues with blown primers and stuff in the past, to be fair. It's also geared towards 16"'s almost specifically since going up to 20" really doesn't yield much, but I haven't disassembled any to try and clone/figure out what they're using. Pretty good out of shorties too. I think it was... 2700? 2800? something like that, I don't quite remember, but still pretty respectable out of an 8" Draco according to Buffman's test back in the day.
Back to your data... I'm not a big 10.5" fan, or 11.5" for that matter, my choice would be 12.5", but failing that, the 13.5" of course. 16" is long anyways, so I'd max out around 14.5" or so if I could at all help it.
i got some PPU M193 stored, havent chronoed it yet but will chrono some loads the next days. PPU is usually great stuff, also this stuff wasnt meant for US market so i hope it isnt downloaded
W-what's gonna happen to the rifle in the pic?
13.7 all the way
>bro what if we… just obliterated the ballistics of the round we’re shooting LOL!!
20” 1:12 chads rise up
You might want to move to .22-250 or .204 Ruger friend
>not handloading 3400fps screamers out of a 1:14
>24" .22-250 mounted on a tripod at the top of the stairs
>Loaded with custom lathe-turned 40 grain solids
>Neighborhood sports enthusiast enters my domicile unannounced
>My Ring(tm) by Amazon(tm) camera alerts me to his presence
>The lag keeps me from responding immediately
>I just manage to get to my weapon and pull the trigger
>The world goes white from the flash
>I recover my senses
>Where the enthusiast stood, nothing
>Walls covered in gore, like someone swandove onto a pregnant-with-octuplet woman's stomach
>Gotta adjust my load, chronograph only read 4198fps
my local range only offers up to 200 meters (218 yards).
I can get away with a 10.5“ barrel at that distance right?
>Waaaah 7.62x51 is too heavy and has too much recoil
>5.56 is too velocity dependent
>Waaaah barrel is too long
14.5 inch barrels
>Waaah 5.56 doesn't have the terminal performance
>Waaah M855A1 burns barrels and destroys feed ramps and mags
>Waaaah M855A1 is innacurate as fuck
77gr out of 18" barrels
>Waaah bullet is too light and doesn't have stopping power
.300BLK and 6.8 SPC
>Waaah we need that 6.8 bullet to go faster
Sig: 6.8x51 hybrid steel case, 135gr @3000 fps out of a 13"
>Waaah the ammo is too heavy and we need more bullets
True Velocity: Polymer ammo out of a long ass barrel, need a bullpup
>Waaaah bullpups, fuck SIG, reeeeeee
16" Recce 5.56
>Waaaah it's to long and heavy with a can, laser, LPVO, fore grip, front stop,pressure pad, surefire, tac sack, 37mm gay ass flare launcher, and anime keychain
Cloning GWOT shit
>Waaaahh I can't find the obsolete parts I want
It's all so silly.
Y'all going to end up cloning the lastest trend that has been fed to you on Instagram and Youtube, and nitpicking minute points instead of being proficient with your rifle. Some leftist is going to end you with his Maverick 88.
jokes on you I'm not leaving the treehouse
Simply buy an AK and forget that these people exist.
And feed it what?
Depends on what country it's from. Some of the are picky eaters. Start with various fruits. Mine is Romanian so I always keep some plums on hand.
>Some leftist is going to end you with his Maverick 88.
Oh you had me laughing there
Lefties dont have the balls to attack armed people, thats why they riot around in their "safe" disarmed shitholes that have AWBs and terrible self defense laws to begin with
I'm sorry, did Rittenhouse not happen?
>dad uses a pinned and welded 14.5 that weighs like 10lbs because it uses a DD quad rail and an elcan specter bc "its what i used in afghanistan and it worked there"
>ive been using the exact same eokek and magnifier set up for like 7 years.
every other rifle build is a fun toy. no need to change what already works. i do have a soft spot for gwot clones though and will be building one of these next.
>Waaaah 7.62x51 is too heavy and has too much recoil
Does the SFAR fix this?
>16" PSA I bought for $270 shipped, on sale
>Still have a stockpile of FBIT3 from when it was .20cpr
Simple as m8
Any woman below 6'2 is too short.
The fact that I dont have a 1903 Springfield and that Springfield herself doesn't have a 1/7 scale figure is madness
what does this have to do with AR barrel lengths?
I have an 18" with a MPVO, and a quad rail. If I thought, I was actually going to get in a gunfight I would trade it for a sport 2 and a SPARC in a heartbeat. Fuck, id take a 10" with a brace over it.
>those double post because anon can't proof read
>it's this gay again
have a nice day.
ok but what about AR10s?
I can’t decide between 16”, 18” or a 20”
I’d go 20”. I really doubt you’re using it for HD or shooting from inside vehicle where maneuverability can matter. The extra barrel length can help with distance shots. If you aren’t shooting further than 300-400 why even go to .308?
Because it’s cool is a perfectly fine answer. And if that’s the case get whatever barrel you think looks better.
I think no one talks about the balance between wanting a "capable" option and still being aesthetically pleasing. Shorty 308's look cool imo but tip the scale away from "capable." And by capable I mean whatever metric you're measuring for a standard of usability which will depend on what your LARP or use case is.
Because I’ll use the rifle for hunting too and I’m only allowed to hunt deer and fox with 556.
Home defensive is not that big of a deal as it’s very safe where I live. So it’s mainly for target shooting and hunting
Where do you live you can hunt deer with 5.56 and not .308? Regardless, go with the 20”. You don’t see a big drop off in velocity from 24” to 20” but below 20” it drops fairly significantly. You can get some great BC .30 cal bullets but the velocity isn’t that high with .308 to start with. You want to keep it up if you can.
Speaking of cool, I'd love a 40" barrel on anything. I've been having trouble finding one though.
20 inch is objectively the best when it comes to firepower, longevity, reliability and overall function. A Rifle length gas system with a 20 barrel is the best, everything below should be a necessary evil to achieve an important goal (for example to get an extra small "cqb" type gun). But the whole idea of the "short AR fighting rifle" is retarded. That whole 13,7 12,5 bullshit makes no sense, you are cucking your ballistics because of a few inches. CQB with a M16 is difficult, but doable, see marines in fallujah. Getting that velocity and power back you lose wit hshort barrels is impossible
TLDR: You will never be a real Rifle
>No real woman exists that'll love you like Springfield
>No real woman exists that'll whip uppity morons like Springfield
It's just too much bros...
11.5 supremacy hours
But muh muh mobility and muh vehicle manuvering
Wait 8+ months for 13.9 Ccriterion CORE midlength, or just go BA 13.7 Govt. middy?
I have an M16A1 type build
20' barrel is nice
I find it odd, that rifle with this color scheme does not have an underbarrel dildo.
anything shorter than 16“ = home defense
home defense = 300BLK
in short: 556 is obsolete for home defense
>have 6 complete uppers ranging from 10.5" to 20"
>only 4 lowers so i just swap em out
but... fucking HOW? the 5.56 cartroidge was designed to be used from a 21" (?) barrel for maximum feet/s muzzle velocity so that such a liiht round would have armour defeating properties, and best ballistics/terminal performance.
how the fuck does giving it a shittier barrel and therefore making it worse and pointless even make sense?
Imagine limiting yourself to only one barrel length or another because you're a broke bitch.
And you're mind broke, MilSurp
They are like children. Like children, they form emotional attachments to things, even destructive devices like firearms. Instead of looking at them as an array of specialized tools for special jobs, they use them to virtue signal to those in their circles who also consume gnomish produced television, movies, and video games. It's no surprise they have no clue what they're doing, they're just children after all.
>di lacks compared to piston
>556 lacks in comparison to 762x39
after nearly 100 years after a drunk ivan grunt did it, stupid fucking cletus is finally coming to terms with the fact that worshipping uncle goy's toys was a bad idea