15 years from now every single one of you will own six and shriek bloody murder if anyone dares suggest it is not the greatest rifle platform of all time.
>shill
I don't even care, I like cowboy guns. I'm just stating facts, you'll be tripping over each other to ram the pistol grip up your buttholes because you're all fricking slaves to the MIC/NRA consoomer pipeline.
You are 100% correct, but i personally will benefit from this because that means gently used high quality AR's are going to pile into the used market because anyone with those kinds of consoomer tendencies rarely shoots anyways. Im glad you like cowboy guns because they are cool i like them too
not a chance.
Sig can't even produce a handgun that doesn't discharge itself or a rifle where the handguard bends like a noodle today
Siggers deserve the worst
If any of that were true, then we would have all ponied up the $5K and pre-ordered the SPEAR. As of yet, nobody on /k/ owns one and I've seen very few express any interest. The FN 6.8 though, that's a gun I want to own.
literally every billy bo bubba redneck mouth breather with a SUPPORT THE TROOPS sticker on their rear window glass from here to Abilene will run over a dozen homeless vets to have DA RIFUL DUH MILTARY HAZ and you vultures will follow. I guarantee it.
Does your inaccurate stereotype have $6k to drop on a new rifle? And if they do, then who is buying all the
>just as guuuuddd
PSAs right now? Because if I asked you this question separately you’d say it was the same people and because they are poorgays. You know I’m right.
They can't afford it so can't I or you or anybody.
I don't even own a rifle.
I do own half a rifle though.
can you elaborate, sir
Take a rifle
Split it in half
I own one half,
bet
In 15 years, ARs will still be the meta
AAAIIIEEEE SAVE ME RON COHEN FORMER CEO OF KIMBER AND ISRAELI CONMAN
Hasn't this been a problem with their handguard design for awhile? And they still haven't bothered to fix it?
that's what 'free float' means, anon
Free float barrels return to the middle dipshit. They don’t stay permanently off center
apparently you don't know what the kappa face means. Don't worry anon, you'll learn memes eventually, maybe after your shithole country loses to Ukraine.
Frick off with your twitch gaylord shit
t. Nta
don't defend Boris' moronation, Sergei. You idiots are supposed to be pretending you're American.
>you don't know what the kappa face means.
Literally never seen it posted on /k/ before. Nice projection. Post guns
>NEVER SETTLE
Hey, remember when the M16 was an abhorrent piece of shit at launch too? So much so, GIs in Vietnam were trashing them and picking their M14 back up?
>purposely sabotaged during trials and first issuance
>Siggers and government doing everything to hide issues
Yeah bro totally the same thing. Let me know when they switch the powder right before sending them to troops and when the DOD decides soldiers don’t need cleaning kits for the XM7
>Siggers and government doing everything to hide issues
The issues being?
In no particular order
>weight
>total ammo capacity
>ammo weight
>recoil
>flexing handguard
>shoddy Sig QC
>recoil
>a rifle designed for the last war (not really the rifle's fault though)
Siggers claim the weight isn't that bad and it's only 9.34lbs, ignoring the mag, suppressor, and optic. Even when a M4 is tricked out it's still 2+lbs lighter, not accounting for ammo, which is 20% more weight with the XM7. Mag capacity and total combat load is down 33% while weighing 2.4lbs (40%) more. The battle rifle concept isn't good anymore. Volume of fire matters more than the power of individual rounds. We've seen this proven true in just the US perspective in the civil war, spanish-american war, WWI, WWII, and Korea. We saw it with the M14 in Vietnam. The majority of the world isn't Afghanistan. A rifle made to fight there lacks in most places. Rather than acknowledge the downsides they are dismissed entirely.
Also the flexing MCX handguard which is the same handguard as the XM7. I'm sure there won't be any problems there though.
All I have to say is lol. Lmao.
Do you have *any* empirical, photographic, or first-hand testimonial evidence to support either of your claims? And before you backpedal and move goalposts and start posting webms of the handguard bending, let me remind you your second claim states
>Siggers and government doing everything to hide issues
and in no way references the alleged issues themselves.
>Do you have *any* empirical, photographic, or first-hand testimonial evidence to support either of your claims?
Yes I absolutely do. It’s a matter of public record that the army changed powder type which changed port pressure which caused them to run inconsistently. All without consulting Stoner, Sullivan, or Armalite. It’s also a well known matter of of public record that M16s were not issued with cleaning kits. So much so there were congressional hearings in the 60s and the army made a fricking comic to tell troops how to clean there rifles. If you don’t believe me listen to Jim Sullivan. Who is arguably more qualified to talk about the M16 than Eugene Stoner was.
>https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/09/jim-sullivan-m16-vietnam/amp/
There are also firsthand accounts from Stoner of when they were failing army trials and he saw them firsthand and saw things like the rear takedown pin was removed and held together with wire instead. And they complained it wasn’t reliable. It’s a captured takedown pin, it’s utter moronation or direct sabotage to remove those.
Are you so fricking braindead you don’t know this or disagree?
Why do you post lies?
>Are you so fricking braindead you don’t know this or disagree?
Well, thanks for answering this at least.
What is a “lie”? Be specific and prove it. Read this first
>Full text of "Report of the Special Subcommittee on the M-16 Rifle Program of the Committee on Armed Services House of Representatives
>https://archive.org/stream/M16IchordReport1/M16%20Ichord%20Report%201_djvu.txt?itid=lk_inline_enhanced-template
>Rear half of the handguard not visible
Really gets the noggin joggin
>it’s totally fake
>our handguard isn’t an issue
This exists for a reason
https://arisakadefense.com/mcx-zero-retention-clamp/
US military scammed again
another victim of the MIC
now try it with the barrel in the upper proper
you lying homosexuals make me sick
The barrels not the problem, moron. You don't own a gun, do you?
See
Why don’t you show us one that doesn’t flex? With your own MCX perhaps?
It's not a bug, it's a feature. The handguard needs to be flexible, so it doesn't break like glass on impact when accidentally dropped or something.
That's such insane cope I can't believe someone would say something so fricking stupid. How come KAC URX and RAS, LaRue, BCM rigid, DD, PRI rails all don't shatter or bend despite being rigid rails with the purpose of zero retention and durability?
How can you sleep saying such stupid fricking things with the confidence which you do?
I realize tone is hard to comprehend through text, but surely you're not daft enough to realize this was sarcasm and a joke, right?
xDDDDDDD
Arisaka sells a clamp specifically to fix this lol
Yep I already linked it. And they Siggers have no reply to it. Wonder why
>4200 dollarydoos
I'm sorry you're too young to remember anon, but we've already had more than one pretender try to take the throne and fail
>didn't meet the requirements of its own program
oh yeah real frickin contender
>XM5 meets all the requirements of its own program
>Verification not required
People do pay shitloads for those tommybuilt XM8s. But you're right, its not remotely common.
Tommy wants $2300-$5000 for his cobbled together Nerf guns that won't feed, won't eject, won't cycle, and won't take a suppressor. Every single video of this gun shows it being, at absolute best, a finnicky and picky eater or, at worst, a bigger jam-o-matic than anything nuRemington ever produced. TommyBuilt is a israeli front scamming people out of their money.
God why did they have to be so cool it hurts
Never understood it why people were obsessed with this g36 that stayed too long in oven, fricking hideous
have a nice day homosexual. In this house we don't tolerate XM8 slander.
Its ugly, not a improvement over m4 and look like fisherprice toygun, get over it.
I will always shit on this rifle no matter the year, the place or context
>it's being held to the skull of your dog by an ATF agent
Agreed
I might convert to the hybrid case if cost becomes equivalent. But it’s not even the best “next step” in ammo
In 15 years this gun will be a dead meme with billions of dollars invested into making it all the more funny, especially when the Army realizes it and switches back to the M4 for the umpteenth time.
OPs a moron for making this post, you're a moron if you actually buy this rifle, even more moronic when you're at the range with it still loading good old 308 into the mags.
captcha A2H4A2
Excuse me, but this isn't the Grot.
The sound effects of that video are cringe. I thought I heard that rifle was performing poorly?
Nah it's doing ok and a major improvement on what Poland had before. Also with the production lines set up they can make some good money off it. Already an order from Africa in the books.
>I heard that rifle was performing poorly?
Those are big manipulations done on purpose by German (Der Onet) owned media, mixing half-truths with omissions and outright lies:
>ongoing international military rifle procurements
>Der Onet smears potential Polish weapon exports
>Heckler & Koch with SIG Sauer rubbing hands
P.S. Anyway, by the way:
>In 2022, a number of Grot C16 FB-A2 carbines were purchased by the US Special Operations Command (SOCOM), and now talks are underway with Arms of America.
https://tech.wp.pl/karabinki-grot-i-nie-tylko-na-shot-show-2023-wzbudzily-duze-zainteresowanie,6857987256617888a
*dabs on siggers*
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EPIC TECHNOLOGY!
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I want to like these plates but holy shit they look worse than the GRIP ZONE era Springfields
When the only competitors are rumored models of spookplate, you are allowed to go crazy with the labeling. Or am I supposed to pretend it doesnt dab and shit on the corpse of every other available plate?
For sure it's the best around right commercially available, but also it looks like it has the aesthetics of early 2000's laser tag vests
Nah, guns are toys for men like shoes for women. The difference between small arms has not been decisive in winning a major war. The shrieking is not sincere, just childish shitposting.
It's FUN to play with these toys though and being Americans we can afford heaps of them so why not? We can pretend it's serious business but it rarely is nor it that likely to change.
It's just an AR with a gas piston. I doubt these will be that popular on the civilian market. You're paying a lot more for what is essentially the same gun but heavier.
The army and Sig should send a few hundred to Ukraine and get free field testing
Thats the last thing they want. Ukraine is a war with an ungodly amount of suppressing fire, so the reviews would be overwhelmingly negative no matter how good it is; because its just a bad fit for what they're doing.
This is a very good point and something people dont seem to understand. The US army relies less and less on small arms to do any kind of fighting anymore so its far more beneficial to them to out range threats than to match their volume of fire. General doctrine has been to buckle down and call in air/arty support for decades at this point since what the US has will pretty much always dominate the battlefield. Better to have a larger caliber round capable of hitting further out if you arent sending in troops until after youve blasted enemy positions with something else.
You also have the normal issues of procurement for yourself and the problem with making an even larger logistical nightmare for the ukranians. The more different kinds of ammo and supplies you have to distribute the bigger the pain in the ass.
The XM7 and its round are too heavy to be mass issued in a real war. Just look at how rifles are being use in Ukraine and how tired soldiers look even carrying around M4s.
The M14/M16A2 rifleman mafia and their latest moronic child, the XM7, needs to be shutdown. It will never be anything beyond a DMR or GMPG, just like 7.62 NATO before.
>Ukraine is a war with an ungodly amount of suppressing fire, so the reviews would be overwhelmingly negative no matter how good it is; because its just a bad fit for what they're doing.
That must be why the Ukrainians near the front line have switch up to the FAL? lmao.
What videos are you with seeing guys taking trenches with FALs? It's ARs and AKs in every single video I've seen so far.
Yeah I can't say I've seen a fal in any infantry combat video either
UHMMM, NO ACTUALLY ZELENSKY HIMSELF ORDERED 60000 MORE GROT RIFLES FROM BASED POLAND.
>t. grot shill that shits up every thread that isn't about his country's lukewarm rifle
Paratrooper variant FALs have been all over Anon. Right now they are the preferred weapon of troops in the sieged regions of the East because of their effective range. Thanks to Ukrainians the FAL is living its purpose of killing Vatniks.
Gun was designed for american bureaucrats, not real combat.
>you will buy the sigshit and you will be happy
What new brand of evil is this, Klaus Schwab?
This gun is ugly as shit. Rails and other 21st century tactical junk ruin the aesthetics of any rifle. I'll just stick to my boomer guns.
I just really dislike the looks of it.
Its literally just a brown ar10 with an extra charging handle.
If this were true it wouldn't be such an eyesore.
Those "cowboy guns" are called revolvers. Damn tourists.
Not all cowboy guns are revolvers, and not all revolvers are cowboy guns.
behold, a cowboy gun
hit up this thread before I went to bed.
I'm a tourist apparently. Lmao
it is you who needs to go back
fifteen years from now they won't be in service
People said the same thing about SCARs
It didn't happen
Yeah, and the SCAR-17 did 90% of what the XM7 does while being cheaper
Only due to scarcity and scalping. The amount of people who want SCARs has always far outstripped the SCARs available within their price range.
Yeah 6.8 and 7.62x39 are juicy not gonna lie
But I can get even juicier with an $800 AR-10
Just don't have a fancy targeting computer system
It is definitely fancier than a 7.62x39 AK, which is a serious historical threat
But them 308 and 7.62x51 AP rounds are just super fricking juicy and will tear armor to shreds
In the back of mind, I used to think, well the 6.8 and 5.56 are much lighter and you can get tight spreads
But you know I'm not a limp-wrist sissy and I can carry the load and handle the recoil like a grown ass man
B8?
This new 6.8 isn’t fricking 6.8 SPC, why even mention x39 to compare
.277 SIG is 135/140gr at a SIGnificantly higher speed than your .308
Better ballistic coefficient, more boolit, higher sectional density
.277 fury is everything 6.5 sneedmoor wishes it was
I think you are vastly overestimating how many people here own a SR-25, a SCAR-17, or a 417. I argue for most people the allure of the AR and the AK is not "military gun" but cheap ammo and runs like a pistol.
You can build or obtain an AK or AR-15 for like 300 to 400. And yeah you can buy 5.56 and 7.62x39 for very cheap.
That's still a choice between 5.56 and 7.62x39, while the XM7 fires 6.8. The 308 / 7.62x51 has greater kinetic energy at closer ranges, like those for piercing armor, as well as a longer effective range, yet the 6.8 is lighter with a flatter trajectory.
I would prefer the 308 and the 7.62x51 for cost, availability, kinetic energy, and range. As for the heavier trajectory, well this a matter of skill that is not difficult to deal with. You can still place the same shots, and even further shots, if the bullet trajectory is slightly less flat.
It is definitely a lighter cartridge than the 308, but the XM7 is also carried along with plates, helmet, mags, pouches, assault packs, and so on. If you are just carrying a 308/7.62x51 rifle, maybe some mags, in plainclothes, you are still carrying less weight.
>It is definitely a lighter cartridge than the 308
The case weights are practically identical. Some autistic cartridge collectors got ahold of some fired 6.8mm brass and it averages out to about 155 grains each. That's only about 10 grains lighter than your average .308 brass. Which is the kind of shit marketers love, because it technically is lighter but by such a negligible amount you'd need a precision scale to tell the difference.
>cowboy gun enthusiast
>mentions men shoving things up their ass in the second paragraph
pottery.
What is it with arg posters and having board wide shit fits?
>why does the general populated exclusively by tripgays, furries, bronies, and pedophiles have autistic episodes and feel the need to shove it in everyone's faces?
Are you fricking kidding me? It's the opposite. You still have boomer spreading misinformation about the m16 vs m14 debate. We will have people arguing to the grave that "new gun is bad because ---".
Why does it come in FDE instead of black?
Might be taking after HK's precaution to limit how much the gun heats up when laying in the sun for long periods after the anecdotes of the G36 "melting".
Because it was a rifle made to fight in the long distances of Afghanistan, with the added bonus of vibe checking Chinese level 3 plates that the PLA is mass adopting. The brass is always trying to win the last war, only this time, they had a little bit of foresight.
Because it's better to have an FDE base layer than a black base layer if you want to paint the gun
It looks complicated or even impossible to reload. I am not interested
I only buy aks
>Sig
>Ever
They'll need to completely revamp themselves if I'm ever to give them respect. I owned an original MCX and it was a massive piece of shit, and I doubt a bloated MCX that costs 4x as much will be any better as far as quality goes. The round is a gigantic meme and the current near-peer conflict in Ukraine shows that you don't need battle rifles to kill people real well wearing level 3 or 4 equivalent armor. The gun was just the Army boomer general officers last grasp of attempting to adopt a battle rifle after the concept was rightfully dropped in the 60s to 80s by most of the planet outside of third world shitholes who couldn't afford to upgrade or didn't have large enough militaries to justify moving fully to intermediate rifles.
More shots on target will always be better than the prospect of some one-shot-one-kill boomer marksman nonsense.
If palmetto makes one for $450 maybe I'll consider selling my ar.
first day on the job? this isn't discord you Black person
it was the safe choice so you can't go wrong I'm not mad at all it's just a big ar
its the USA making the same m14 mistake again. literally the takeaway from every modern war about standard issue rifles is that whoever shows up with the most bullets, wins. rifling doesnt even fit the doctrine where one fireteam is in active combat and laying down ammo while the other assaults
>up round production
>tell American soldiers to carry as many 6.8x51 rounds as they would normally 5.56
Wow, crazy
>just carry twice as much weight in ammo
>don't worry about it soldier
>there are no downsides
>knees will keep degrading until morale improves
Please tell us more how you've never carried anything heavy long distances. 10 mags of 6.8 weighs 14lbs for a total of 200 rounds. 7 mags of 5.56 weigh 7lbs and that's 210. Twice the weight for less ammo. If you do 300 rounds vs 300 rounds it's 21lbs vs 10lbs. Have fun with that.
You are fricking stupid
I still think going 6.8 is a big mistake and we should've continued with the LSAT.
a 6.8 DMR/LMG is still a nice idea tho.
They're more than 4k each so that's never going to happen
im switching to airguns and electric ignition because nobody will making any primers in 15 years.
I will eventually own a piston gun that's not an AK, but it won't be that. Inflation would have to be such that 4k ish dollary-doos is 650 in today's money.
YOU
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PERIOD!!!
nah that'll be a different generation you're reading
i'll be sipping monster and fricking with my AR-10s and AR-15s
In 15 years semi-automatics will be federally regulated like machine guns, there's no chance this thing will have a chance to become nostalgia bait.
Russian detected
unlike you our laws actually mean something, so no, that's not happening
You fricking moron. If our laws meant anything, why can't you buy a select fire AR today?
But you can.
A new-production select-fire AR that isn't part of a dwindling supply of grandfathered, registered NFA items that cost a fortune. You know exactly what I meant. "Our laws" didn't stop WA from joining Maryland, California, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, and whoever else I'm forgetting about. Semi-auto rifles, at least in a non-cucked configuration, are going the way of full autos in the 80s.
>t. a Russian, who doesn't understand why the Supreme Court exists or how they work
I'll give it to you anon, if you're trying to piss me off by pretending to be the most dense motherfricker imaginable, you're doing a fantastic job.
lack of knowledge of basic civics confirmed
don't you have a drone to die to
Because of bullshit passed 2 generations before any of us were born
Actually I'll get a knock off for $500, vault it after 1000 dogshit rounds, and then come here and call the platform abysmal.
Don't care, I will stick to my M14 until I die. Love me .308, simple as.