Pretty good bait.
If not, then here's a take for you:
John Moses Browning himself designed the upgrade to the 1911; the Browning Hi-Power.
If you follow that to it's logical conclusion, it is the CZ-75 that inherits the crown.
>1911 in 2024 still goat
Had me >In 45
1911 continues to reign supreme in the new Millennium thanks to the advent of widely available 10mm models and ammunition.
you can load 45 acp to legitimate 10mm energy levels. if you want to get autistic about it, 40 super or 460 Rowland is the way to go, but you have far more options and it’s cheaper to just load 45 acp to 1200 fps 230gr. 10mm is like 45-70, half of it is cucked and you really don’t need that much penetration on a mid sized target
>but new bullet technology has made 9mm expand wider than .45" >but that same technology hasn't been applied to 45acp because >because just trust me
9mm gays cope harder than any other /k/ demographic
>yeah if I do steroids I can match you at your base >I do steroids >NOOOOOOOO
What 9mm gays NEVER consider is what happens when your bullet FAILS to do what it was supposed to do. The reason why the FBI went to 10mm is because they bought into the "wondernine" meme, but when the claims were pitted against reality? FBI agents died. This has been seen over and over through time, yet people don't learn.
They were mostly using .38 +p revolvers without speed loaders at Miami Dade.
The one shot that went through the shooters armpit and failed to pen all the way to his heart was the one gun chambered for .357 supposely.
You really just need rifles, .357 falls within the pen standards the FBI set for themselves after the event. Amd failed when it was needed.
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Anonymous
This, it's really an issue of how policing has changed. No pistol is going to beat a well-positioned rifleman in armor, because they are still, essentially, emergency firearms. Carry whatever pistol you're comfortable with, the famous Hong Kong police did their thing with .32s. Just keep a shotgun or rifle in the car.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the famous Hong Kong police did their thing with .32s
Story?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I assume they shot a lot of opium addicts
Apparently 32ACP is good enough for that
3 months ago
Anonymous
Some white boy named Fairbarn (of the famous knife) made the first SWAT team in Hong Kong by giving some chinks Pocket Hammerlesses and batons, then telling them to charge into opium dens.
Literally the only way the Hi Power is better than the 1911 is magazine capacity. Besides, most of the design features that were different from the 1911 weren’t come up with by Browning.
>Didnt his son JMB jr. help with finishing the design
It was Val Browning and technically yes, but practically no. Val was more concerned with a plethora of other unfinished designs that his father had started, like the Superposed shotgun he finished by himself, and helping to manage the Browning Company back in the US as his uncles and cousins were starting to do other things. He most likely only really helped with troubleshooting and other small things on the Hi Power as he worked on his projects in the same shop.
Can someone translate this for me? It seems it was built for 7.65 Mauser, striker-fired, and the angled slide acts as a mount for an adjustable rear sight.
>Same tilting mechanism as production Hi-Power >Same trigger linkage as production Hi-Power
The main operating mechanisms are the same, Saive mainly changed the slide design and replaced the dumb trigger safety with a dumb magazine safety.
Huh, the silly leaf sights distracted me from noticing the striker. That would have been neat. But the hammer on the Hi-Power is still fundamentally the same type of hammer on a 1911, so that change doesn't really make it less of a Browning design, even if it's not what Browning originally intended.
Approximately, and it had a magazine capacity of 16 9x19mm. Absolute unit of a service pistol; Saive had to shrink the whole pistol down because the French complained it was too large.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Very interesting; I'd figure the striker is to make it more idiot-proof, but that runs contrary to the sharpshooter rear sight. Maybe it was for a specific trigger feel, if he was also not going with a safety. That would line up with his very conservative view of pistol shooting: he may have felt he made a pistol very difficult to shoot "well" with, so the adjustable sight is compensation for that.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're reading way too much into the design. JMB wasn't shooting 3 gun competitions every week trying to minmax his designs. Tangent sights on pistols were the style at the time. The 1911's trigger system was patented so he couldn't use it again for the French and the double stack magazine made it less desirable of a system to use anyway as it would've added even more girth to the grip. Having the firing mechanism contained in the slide also allows for a smaller grip because you don't have a hammer or it's strut and spring to worry about. Had the striker been retained it could've had a trigger that rivals or beats the 1911 in terms of crispness and reset. It's a very elegant design that's close to a lot of bolt action set ups. It doesn't require a disconnector, the reset is easily tunable by adjusting the engagement of the front of the trigger bar and the back of the trigger pushrod, and the striker allows for the bolt action trigger pulls we know and love today. Anyway he tied a rifle sight to the slide, which was the style at the time. And back in those days they didn't have peep sights on account of the war so all you could get were the big notch and post kind.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Great, now I want someone to make a retro Browning style striker Hi-Power. But with Saive Hi-Power sizing, he was right to shrink it down a bit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Me too anon. It shouldn't be too hard of a conversion to do because of its design lineage. The 5" barrel and compact frame of the hi power is a fantastic form factor, especially when you get the +2 with mec gar internals.
https://i.imgur.com/udeyRfM.jpg
No-one has a Browning-designed Hi-Power. After Browning died it was re-designed by Dieudonne Saive before it went to market.
>figure 5 >trigger pushed up and forward for safe?
>Same tilting mechanism as production Hi-Power
>Same trigger linkage as production Hi-Power
The main operating mechanisms are the same, Saive mainly changed the slide design and replaced the dumb trigger safety with a dumb magazine safety.
It seems like a pretty nice design to me, out of the way for people who don't want to use it, very intuitive to disengage for people who do. It's a really forward thinking design when you realize how close it is to a Glock or HK LEM trigger. It was probably inspired by all the folding revolver triggers of the time which were ironically falling out of fashion.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Can you explain to me how this striker system was so good? I understand the trigger part of the diagram, but I don't understand how it connects to the striker.
3 months ago
Anonymous
From what I can tell the bar in the hammer fired slide that connects the trigger to the sear is analogous to the sear itself in the striker design. Instead of pressing down on the hammer's sear, the bar is what's holding the striker back and when the front is pressed up by the trigger, the sear surface disengages the striker. It'd have a nicer trigger than the hammer hi power because you're going frame to slide instead of frame to slide then back to frame. By having the sear in the slide you eliminate a lot of potential tolerance stacking and can have a really crisp setup like a bolt action and it eliminates the need for a disconnector. If you don't have a hi power to play with get world of guns or whatever that game is and watch how the trigger interacts with the transfer bar during firing and cycling and it should be obvious that it was intended to be a striker design.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you very much, I think I can piece it together with the diagram now. It looks like the sear reengages the striker as the slide cycles back forward. Elegent.
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TWO SCOOPS
TWO GENDERS
TWO POKEMON GENERATIONS
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https://i.imgur.com/1TgYgtM.jpg
Lmao.
This is bait, but it made me respond
Hi-Power is the shitty european dollar store version of the 1911.
CZ-75 is Reddit, the handgun.
>1911 in 2024 still goat
Had me >In 45
1911 continues to reign supreme in the new Millennium thanks to the advent of widely available 10mm models and ammunition.
Real /k/ommandos carry bullpups, battle rifles, and dumbass second-place bullshit like SKS's and Vz's and CETME's
3 months ago
Anonymous
>second place >any of these
All of those are fantastic combat rifles and you're a fricking moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>All of those are fantastic combat rifles
So fantastic that they all switched to AR platforms lol
3 months ago
Anonymous
>they switched to M16A1's hurrr
Keep being moronic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Are you ok?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>hey this version of a weapon exists several decades after the opposing weapon
Yeah you're fricking stupid.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why does that matter anon?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>asks why
Oh for fricks sake.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>can't answer
If you tried you'd realize you have no idea what you're talking about you know. Go ahead, answer the question.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You are asking "hey why didn't military adopt something x" while completely ignoring that 30+ fricking YEARS existed between these weapons. Even then, the performance granted by additions is MARGINAL at best.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You are asking "hey why didn't military adopt something x"
Nope, that is not what was being talked about at all actually. >Real /k/ommandos carry bullpups, battle rifles, and dumbass second-place bullshit like SKS's and Vz's and CETME's
Not "armies" people posting here dipshit.
So, unless there's some reason you only own guns made 50+ years ago, M16a1s are not relevant at all. Thanks for answering the question so I could confirm your shit was moronic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
next you're going to tell me sig is good which is why all these police departments switched to them
3 months ago
Anonymous
>police departments >sig >doesn't know about Glock
3 months ago
Anonymous
next you're going to tell me glock is good which is why all these police departments switched to them
3 months ago
Anonymous
only because their dudes don't have enough muscles
Tourist that wasn't here ten+ years ago when they were below $300 and were the handgun everyone owned on this board. CZUSA saw we were actually buying them now and israelited the prices up.
>CZ75 was not below $300 10 years ago.
There were a bunch of surplus pre-B ones. Some of the surplus sites still get them every once in a while, but now they're closer to $600.
If we're being gays here, anything but 9x19, .45 and I guess .38 and .380 (Begrudgingly) are hipster cartridges. Everything else costs more, and bullet holes are bullet holes.
Contrarianism has come full circle, no further argument needed. Now let people talk about their funi boomer pistole.
>I think i'd rather have it in 10mm
the point of the thread isn't the caliber, it's the platform. I have a 1911 in 9mm and a compact 1911 in 380ACP, my father has one in 38 super and 45ACP, and my brother has one in 10mm. Its excellent adaptability is another point to the 1911.
I was describing my personal dilemma of wanting to own one but still not sure if I want it in 45 or 10. Definitely not 9mm though, not interested, that's what polymer is for.
>not 9mm though, not interested, that's what polymer is for.
I disagree for myself. I own a glock 19 and have shot both a Ruger American and an M&P in 9mm and I personally did not care for them over my A1 in 9mm. I find the metal frame makes 9mm feel like nothing, and that's great for quicker and more accurate follow up shots. I have also shot other metal framed 9mm handguns, such as a Girsan M9 clone and a P226, but I find the double stack grip less comfortable and less conducive to accurate handgun shooting for me. Personal preference, but I love my 1911 in 9mm.
>Its excellent adaptability is another point to the 1911.
Black person, you can adapt any pistol to any round as long as it fits inside. 1911 gays are delusional.
>you can adapt any pistol to any round as long as it fits inside
Just because it fits doesn't mean it shoots well. Give me a 1911 in 10mm over a G20 any day.
>you can adapt any pistol to any round as long as it fits inside
Is that why they had to thicken up the G21 past what is comfortable for most shooters and forced them to try to make their own 45 cartridge? Not everything works in every design. When they come out with a 357 Mag Glock, then I may agree somewhat.
I think that was a C&Rsenal or Forgotten Weapons limited run shirt or something. I don't think it's made anymore. They both have a bunch of other fun ones now tho.
Btw, unless you're a fatass or a stick you won't be able to get one. Seems they only have XXXL and S sizes available on that one now. Probably going to need to wait for another shirt drive, normally around Christmas.
Black person the .45 is a fat inferior round for fat inferior people. The 1911 was outclassed even by the 1908 luger, which brought more rounds. At the very latest handguns like the FN High Power or the Vis killed the 1911 as modern pistol.
I get that America won the world wars despite they didn't bring the best pistol to the party because pistols don't matter. But even the American Army had to admit 9mm mogs .45 and switched.
Like with Euro measurements, Euro 24h time, Euro rifle ammunition. The US military recognizes that lots American shit is inferior and adapts white people things even in muttland. You boomer magatards take notice.
>US GIs and even the government reporting on small arms in WW2 found the 9mm to be a more effective caliber, largely attributed to it's higher velocity being better for breaking bone
Cope
Navy seals use revolvers for this reason.
I get you're being sarcastic but they actually did use revolvers over pistols with a higher capacity for over the beach stuff
Good point, which reminds me that GIGN had a sniper revolver in its inventory. Suddenly the pipe hitters of the world turned into old west gunslingers in my eyes.
^reddit homosexual. 9mm limp wrist. What war did Europs ever win without America helping them? Nothing. Not at home, not away. The 1911 was and still the all-around heavyweight champ. Common, reliable, accurate, a trigger by which all other fall short, stopping power by which all others fall short. 9mm is croissant munching shit dicks in berets.
>the “I need more rounds” amateur shooter >the “I can’t use iron sights” feral alcohol syndrome shooter >the “I need a double stack” gay handjob shooter >the “I need drop in parts” because I can’t turn a screwdriver fatherless manchild
yes, it really is a pistol designed for this generation
Your claims 1 and 2 are essentially the same. All I will say is that there are more darkies roaming around than in 1911, and they are bolder. Based on that alone, more rounds are needed.
As for iron sights, my Staccato XC has them as do most 2011s. That most all of them are designed for an optic and work 100% with one installed means they are superior to the 1911.
I have not replaced any parts on my XC and do not feel the need to. Unlike, say, that minuscule sights on the original 1911. Can you even buy one with those any more? My buddy calls them
"gay blades".
Didn't Colt make a bunch of double stack 1911 prototypes in the 60s and 70s and the Military said no thanks?
I don't think that it would've stopped it anyway. 45 was never going to be the standard round because the bongs, frogs, and dagoes had already picked 9mm. Also, S&W had already introduced the Model 39 in the 50s and was popular amongst law enforcement by the 60s.
>lost russian civil war intervention >lost korea >lost vietnam >lost loatian civil war >lost permesta war >lost bay of pigs >lost cabodian civil war >lost lebanese intervention >lost somalia >lost afghanistan
What a piece of shit.
>>lost russian civil war intervention
The polar bear expedition was abandoned as soon as it left. It wasn't a serious attempt by any means. >>lost korea
Where did this stupid idea come from? We could've destroyed North Korea, and even taken the fight to China, but Truman was a gay. All goals were achieved and South Korea still stands to this day. >>lost lebanese intervention
Only one guy died and the government won, no clue what you're going for there. That was an extreme victory if there ever was one.
>Only one guy died and the government won, no clue what you're going for there. That was an extreme victory if there ever was one.
265 American dead in the intervention and completely failed in the goal of keeping the Lebanese Army from devolving into warbands and ended with a Syrian occupation after the MNF turned tail and ran. What the frick are you talking about?
You're talking about the Beirut peace keeping operations in 1982, not the Lebanon Intervention (which happened in 1958). It was also a multi-national peace keeping operation, not a conflict. So what, you may say. They were actively ordered not to engage with the enemy even when under fire which led to a lot of unnecessary death. A total failure of homosexual "policymakers" that didn't let the Marines do what they needed to do.
The only pistols you need: >a 1903 Pocket Hammerless for concealed carry >a 1911 loaded with .38 Super for duty >a Delta Elite for hiking (hand grenade)
>muh drop safe
If you drop your concealed carry gun in any serious situation then you're either already dead or are about to be. Also just don't drop your gun moron. >muh rim
Which all the Narco gunmen and comp shooters who use .38 Super have never had an issue with.
>If you drop your concealed carry gun in any serious situation then you're either already dead or are about to be. Also just don't drop your gun moron.
Just don't get into accidents, it's that easy.
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Literally the only way the Hi Power is better than the 1911 is magazine capacity. Besides, most of the design features that were different from the 1911 weren’t come up with by Browning.
https://i.imgur.com/udeyRfM.jpg
No-one has a Browning-designed Hi-Power. After Browning died it was re-designed by Dieudonne Saive before it went to market.
https://i.imgur.com/3xCnsrS.jpg
>Didnt his son JMB jr. help with finishing the design
It was Val Browning and technically yes, but practically no. Val was more concerned with a plethora of other unfinished designs that his father had started, like the Superposed shotgun he finished by himself, and helping to manage the Browning Company back in the US as his uncles and cousins were starting to do other things. He most likely only really helped with troubleshooting and other small things on the Hi Power as he worked on his projects in the same shop.
It is an abject failure as a military firearm as proven by US studies that via accident and malfunction it has killed more US troops than enemy ones. Its very existence is a military liability.
Everything bad you've ever heard about 1911s is true
Everything good you've ever heard about 1911s is cope
It's a 120-year-old design and it fricking shows. Disassembling a 1911 is closer to taking apart a Mauser C96 than it is to taking apart a Beretta.
>It's a 120-year-old design and it fricking shows.
that's why I want it. I already larp with a snubnose .38. Now I want a .45 auto with 20th century STOPPING POWAH, although the 92 does seem to scratch the same itch. However, I live in a ban state with a 10rd magazine limit, and the idea of having something that ought to have 17 rounds but being artificially limited to 10 really, really bothers me. So everything I'm interested in at the moment is stuff that just naturally has less than a 10rd capacity. Really small pocket guns, for example, or higher caliber guns like the 1911. If not for the mag limit I think I might like a CZ 75 or a Beretta 92.
love those, but I won't be able to afford a decent one for some time. If I had more money (which I will one day pretty soon) I'd probably go for a .44 magnum Smith. Blued or stainless.
>does anyone here have an RIA 1911?
I bought a Taylors and Company 1911, made by RIA. It's preddy good, but rough out of the box. Need to slick it up, but that only takes an hour or so racking the slide with some polishing medium or anything very slightly abrasive.
I dry fired the shit out of my Charter Arms snubnose to get the grittiness out of the trigger pull. I wouldn't mind working the slide for a while with an abrasive compound.
>I dry fired the shit out of my Charter Arms snubnose to get the grittiness out of the trigger pull.
Ah man, a fellow charter brother. Love my on-duty snubby, it's the best ankle carry gun in the world. >I wouldn't mind working the slide for a while with an abrasive compound.
It's really easy and completely mindless. Just do it well watching or listening to something.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yep, I have an undercover. It's my first gun and it's pretty new. I've put a few hundred rounds through it and it's been great. >It's really easy and completely mindless. Just do it well watching or listening to something.
That's exactly what I'd do, I'm usually doing something with my hands while I watch TV
>does anyone here have an RIA 1911?
I bought a Taylors and Company 1911, made by RIA. It's preddy good, but rough out of the box. Need to slick it up, but that only takes an hour or so racking the slide with some polishing medium or anything very slightly abrasive.
Which is why it's so impressive that the Czechs managed to make a hammer fired pistol with a worse trigger than it. Even the cajunized CZs I've felt have had longer, mushier triggers with much longer resets. It's a fantastically bad design
Haven't shot a lot of CZ's, but my Jericho, which is internally just a CZ that weighs twice as much, has a great trigger. I think you're just pretending to hate CZ's because someone told you they were reddit
Haven't shot a lot of CZ's, but my Jericho, which is internally just a CZ that weighs twice as much, has a great trigger. I think you're just pretending to hate CZ's because someone told you they were reddit
I don't know man, I don't think I can accept that someone seriously wrote that glocks had a good trigger. Even nogunz would know because of the memes.
I didn't say glocks were good just that CZ75s are worse. You sound like redditors who fell into an echo chamber where everyone tells themselves it has a good trigger because it's way better than the mosin's, the only other gun they've ever shot. It's very common with SRA types. A /k/ommando can appreciate slavshit for being slavshit, a redditor will hype it up because the epic proletariat pistol mogs anything Western in their delusions.
He's a mass replying homosexual, and 99% of the time that means it's an autistic moron
>doesn't know what mass replying is
Reddit75 enthusiast spotted
Another symptom of being a fricking tard is inability to comprehend humor. Autistic morons only have two emotions, happy and angry, so when something confuses them, they turn into angry sweaty b***hes, like you're being right now.
Hitler had a lot of bad ideas, but Aktion T4 wasn't one of them. One of the biggest mistakes that society is making right now is pretending that autistics are good for society and not just worthless buttholes.
>to cater to the lowest common denominator, Europeans. It needed to be chambered for a weaker cartridge so weaker wrists could handle it and it needed the extra capacity to cope with the weaker cartridge
HAHAHAHAHA you could at least try not to project you fat slob
I love the vid of that guy in SF melting down his grandfather's from ww2 for a piece of art.
So sad.
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wow what a fricking wienersucker
Artist holds up a chunk of aluminum and say it was from an AK 47. Me thinks he doesn't know what he is talking about.
>thinking that a "artist" from a leftist hive knows anything
Anon...
I wonder who made a pretty penny tricking that moron?
What's a verteran?
those who served in the meme war 2014-2016
>who do you think it's ok to kill?
anyone who fricks with me, homosexual. don't start shit, don't get shit, simple as.
>john caught monkeypox
no surprise here
Source?
the sentimentality some of you are showing is pathetic.
it's an object. grandfather is dead.
they make new weapons every day.
Pretty good bait.
If not, then here's a take for you:
John Moses Browning himself designed the upgrade to the 1911; the Browning Hi-Power.
If you follow that to it's logical conclusion, it is the CZ-75 that inherits the crown.
If the hi power was 45acp it'd be goated
45 is gay and moronic.
>1911 in 2024 still goat
Had me
>In 45
1911 continues to reign supreme in the new Millennium thanks to the advent of widely available 10mm models and ammunition.
So, yeah 1911 still goat, just not in 45
you can load 45 acp to legitimate 10mm energy levels. if you want to get autistic about it, 40 super or 460 Rowland is the way to go, but you have far more options and it’s cheaper to just load 45 acp to 1200 fps 230gr. 10mm is like 45-70, half of it is cucked and you really don’t need that much penetration on a mid sized target
Most 10mm is crap, .40 S&W-tier. .45 is just as, or even more, effective.
think someone will ever neck a 460 rowland down to a 40?
Maybe Pecker Oarland gonna do it.
Literally the gayest argument I've ever heard for 45s relevancy in 2010+14
>you really don’t need
>Don't
>"""""""need"""""""
Inb4 all the 9mm homosexuals pretend stopping power and shock aren't things.
>but new bullet technology has made 9mm expand wider than .45"
>but that same technology hasn't been applied to 45acp because
>because just trust me
9mm gays cope harder than any other /k/ demographic
>yeah if I do steroids I can match you at your base
>I do steroids
>NOOOOOOOO
What 9mm gays NEVER consider is what happens when your bullet FAILS to do what it was supposed to do. The reason why the FBI went to 10mm is because they bought into the "wondernine" meme, but when the claims were pitted against reality? FBI agents died. This has been seen over and over through time, yet people don't learn.
>>yeah if I do steroids I can match you at your base
>>I do steroids
Never seen it put so succinctly. 9mm gays stay losing
They were mostly using .38 +p revolvers without speed loaders at Miami Dade.
The one shot that went through the shooters armpit and failed to pen all the way to his heart was the one gun chambered for .357 supposely.
You really just need rifles, .357 falls within the pen standards the FBI set for themselves after the event. Amd failed when it was needed.
This, it's really an issue of how policing has changed. No pistol is going to beat a well-positioned rifleman in armor, because they are still, essentially, emergency firearms. Carry whatever pistol you're comfortable with, the famous Hong Kong police did their thing with .32s. Just keep a shotgun or rifle in the car.
>the famous Hong Kong police did their thing with .32s
Story?
I assume they shot a lot of opium addicts
Apparently 32ACP is good enough for that
Some white boy named Fairbarn (of the famous knife) made the first SWAT team in Hong Kong by giving some chinks Pocket Hammerlesses and batons, then telling them to charge into opium dens.
Makes sense, sounds like fun
Literally the only way the Hi Power is better than the 1911 is magazine capacity. Besides, most of the design features that were different from the 1911 weren’t come up with by Browning.
Trigger too
No.
No-one has a Browning-designed Hi-Power. After Browning died it was re-designed by Dieudonne Saive before it went to market.
Didnt his son JMB jr. help with finishing the design. So it would be considered a Browning
>Didnt his son JMB jr. help with finishing the design
It was Val Browning and technically yes, but practically no. Val was more concerned with a plethora of other unfinished designs that his father had started, like the Superposed shotgun he finished by himself, and helping to manage the Browning Company back in the US as his uncles and cousins were starting to do other things. He most likely only really helped with troubleshooting and other small things on the Hi Power as he worked on his projects in the same shop.
>that schnozz
JMB's wife had big ol Khazar breasts, didn't she
That's an unfortunately Anglo phenotype. Mormons were still an Anglo-American cult at this point.
God didn't change his mind about black people until 1978
Since when is a big nose an Anglo (Saxon/Norman/Briton salad) phenotype? BS
I'm of Anglo decent and have a big nose. Ancestry confirms no tribe DNA. Non-Jews can have big noses too.
It can also be beaten into that shape if you play a sport with a helmet, like hockey.
Can someone translate this for me? It seems it was built for 7.65 Mauser, striker-fired, and the angled slide acts as a mount for an adjustable rear sight.
Also might have a rotating barrel
Dude you can literally see the barrel tilting when unlocked. They drew it in there.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR HELP
>Same tilting mechanism as production Hi-Power
>Same trigger linkage as production Hi-Power
The main operating mechanisms are the same, Saive mainly changed the slide design and replaced the dumb trigger safety with a dumb magazine safety.
And, y'know, changed it from striker-fired to hammer-fired. He also shrunk it by about 25%.
Huh, the silly leaf sights distracted me from noticing the striker. That would have been neat. But the hammer on the Hi-Power is still fundamentally the same type of hammer on a 1911, so that change doesn't really make it less of a Browning design, even if it's not what Browning originally intended.
Was it originally intended to have a 5" barrel? JMB was a 5" fundamentalist.
Approximately, and it had a magazine capacity of 16 9x19mm. Absolute unit of a service pistol; Saive had to shrink the whole pistol down because the French complained it was too large.
Very interesting; I'd figure the striker is to make it more idiot-proof, but that runs contrary to the sharpshooter rear sight. Maybe it was for a specific trigger feel, if he was also not going with a safety. That would line up with his very conservative view of pistol shooting: he may have felt he made a pistol very difficult to shoot "well" with, so the adjustable sight is compensation for that.
You're reading way too much into the design. JMB wasn't shooting 3 gun competitions every week trying to minmax his designs. Tangent sights on pistols were the style at the time. The 1911's trigger system was patented so he couldn't use it again for the French and the double stack magazine made it less desirable of a system to use anyway as it would've added even more girth to the grip. Having the firing mechanism contained in the slide also allows for a smaller grip because you don't have a hammer or it's strut and spring to worry about. Had the striker been retained it could've had a trigger that rivals or beats the 1911 in terms of crispness and reset. It's a very elegant design that's close to a lot of bolt action set ups. It doesn't require a disconnector, the reset is easily tunable by adjusting the engagement of the front of the trigger bar and the back of the trigger pushrod, and the striker allows for the bolt action trigger pulls we know and love today. Anyway he tied a rifle sight to the slide, which was the style at the time. And back in those days they didn't have peep sights on account of the war so all you could get were the big notch and post kind.
Great, now I want someone to make a retro Browning style striker Hi-Power. But with Saive Hi-Power sizing, he was right to shrink it down a bit.
Me too anon. It shouldn't be too hard of a conversion to do because of its design lineage. The 5" barrel and compact frame of the hi power is a fantastic form factor, especially when you get the +2 with mec gar internals.
>figure 5
>trigger pushed up and forward for safe?
>Same trigger linkage as production Hi-Power
The main operating mechanisms are the same, Saive mainly changed the slide design and replaced the dumb trigger safety with a dumb magazine safety.
It seems like a pretty nice design to me, out of the way for people who don't want to use it, very intuitive to disengage for people who do. It's a really forward thinking design when you realize how close it is to a Glock or HK LEM trigger. It was probably inspired by all the folding revolver triggers of the time which were ironically falling out of fashion.
Can you explain to me how this striker system was so good? I understand the trigger part of the diagram, but I don't understand how it connects to the striker.
From what I can tell the bar in the hammer fired slide that connects the trigger to the sear is analogous to the sear itself in the striker design. Instead of pressing down on the hammer's sear, the bar is what's holding the striker back and when the front is pressed up by the trigger, the sear surface disengages the striker. It'd have a nicer trigger than the hammer hi power because you're going frame to slide instead of frame to slide then back to frame. By having the sear in the slide you eliminate a lot of potential tolerance stacking and can have a really crisp setup like a bolt action and it eliminates the need for a disconnector. If you don't have a hi power to play with get world of guns or whatever that game is and watch how the trigger interacts with the transfer bar during firing and cycling and it should be obvious that it was intended to be a striker design.
Thank you very much, I think I can piece it together with the diagram now. It looks like the sear reengages the striker as the slide cycles back forward. Elegent.
sometimes an artist has a magnum opus and nothing else they make after it reaches quite the same peaks.
HELL YEAH BROTHER!
TWO SCOOPS
TWO GENDERS
TWO POKEMON GENERATIONS
TWO WORLD WARS
This is bait, but it made me respond
Hi-Power is the shitty european dollar store version of the 1911.
CZ-75 is Reddit, the handgun.
10mm is just .45 for hipsters.
>10mm is just .45 for hipsters.
CAG is upset, you take it back!
>two pokemon generations
Yeah, 3 and 4, b***h
>CZ-75 is Reddit, the handgun
I've heard this multiple times, can someone explain?
It's popular so it's reddit. At least that's what I've seen another anon say. According to such logic, it also means the AR15 and ak47 is reddit.
>According to such logic, it also means the AR15 and ak47 is reddit.
yes
Real /k/ommandos carry bullpups, battle rifles, and dumbass second-place bullshit like SKS's and Vz's and CETME's
>second place
>any of these
All of those are fantastic combat rifles and you're a fricking moron.
>All of those are fantastic combat rifles
So fantastic that they all switched to AR platforms lol
>they switched to M16A1's hurrr
Keep being moronic.
Are you ok?
>hey this version of a weapon exists several decades after the opposing weapon
Yeah you're fricking stupid.
Why does that matter anon?
>asks why
Oh for fricks sake.
>can't answer
If you tried you'd realize you have no idea what you're talking about you know. Go ahead, answer the question.
You are asking "hey why didn't military adopt something x" while completely ignoring that 30+ fricking YEARS existed between these weapons. Even then, the performance granted by additions is MARGINAL at best.
>You are asking "hey why didn't military adopt something x"
Nope, that is not what was being talked about at all actually.
>Real /k/ommandos carry bullpups, battle rifles, and dumbass second-place bullshit like SKS's and Vz's and CETME's
Not "armies" people posting here dipshit.
So, unless there's some reason you only own guns made 50+ years ago, M16a1s are not relevant at all. Thanks for answering the question so I could confirm your shit was moronic.
next you're going to tell me sig is good which is why all these police departments switched to them
>police departments
>sig
>doesn't know about Glock
next you're going to tell me glock is good which is why all these police departments switched to them
only because their dudes don't have enough muscles
>dudes
You know it's mostly because lady cops
And /misc/ is, from what I've seen, contrarians for the sake of it. Would that make them the anti-reddit group?
Tourist that wasn't here ten+ years ago when they were below $300 and were the handgun everyone owned on this board. CZUSA saw we were actually buying them now and israelited the prices up.
>when they were below $300
CZ75 was not below $300 10 years ago.
>CZ75 was not below $300 10 years ago.
There were a bunch of surplus pre-B ones. Some of the surplus sites still get them every once in a while, but now they're closer to $600.
they were that 20 years ago
hell i remember buying a cz for right around 400 and felt ripped off about it instead of a 599 ps3
ps3 was 2006
>10mm is just .45 for hipsters.
so much this
literally doesn't even matter that 10mm has almost twice the power
>Teenager who has recently discovered being a contrarian and still thinks it makes you seem cool and knowledgeable
lol, lmao even
If we're being gays here, anything but 9x19, .45 and I guess .38 and .380 (Begrudgingly) are hipster cartridges. Everything else costs more, and bullet holes are bullet holes.
Contrarianism has come full circle, no further argument needed. Now let people talk about their funi boomer pistole.
>anything but 9x19, .45 and I guess .38 and .380 (Begrudgingly) are hipster cartridges
Way?
>Still never been topped
yeah because its spent the last 113 years being bottomed. homosexual-ass gun.
Topped=being bottomed, you idiot
I think i'd rather have it in 10mm if I only have ~8 rounds to send off. Less likely to eat that successfully.
>I think i'd rather have it in 10mm
the point of the thread isn't the caliber, it's the platform. I have a 1911 in 9mm and a compact 1911 in 380ACP, my father has one in 38 super and 45ACP, and my brother has one in 10mm. Its excellent adaptability is another point to the 1911.
I was describing my personal dilemma of wanting to own one but still not sure if I want it in 45 or 10. Definitely not 9mm though, not interested, that's what polymer is for.
>not 9mm though, not interested, that's what polymer is for.
I disagree for myself. I own a glock 19 and have shot both a Ruger American and an M&P in 9mm and I personally did not care for them over my A1 in 9mm. I find the metal frame makes 9mm feel like nothing, and that's great for quicker and more accurate follow up shots. I have also shot other metal framed 9mm handguns, such as a Girsan M9 clone and a P226, but I find the double stack grip less comfortable and less conducive to accurate handgun shooting for me. Personal preference, but I love my 1911 in 9mm.
>Its excellent adaptability is another point to the 1911.
Black person, you can adapt any pistol to any round as long as it fits inside. 1911 gays are delusional.
>you can adapt any pistol to any round as long as it fits inside
Just because it fits doesn't mean it shoots well. Give me a 1911 in 10mm over a G20 any day.
>you can adapt any pistol to any round as long as it fits inside
Is that why they had to thicken up the G21 past what is comfortable for most shooters and forced them to try to make their own 45 cartridge? Not everything works in every design. When they come out with a 357 Mag Glock, then I may agree somewhat.
I thought .45 GAP was made due to "military round" restrictions in 3rd world countries.
It's also to allow use of .45 barrels in a 9mm frame
This. The Glock had to be fricked up to fit 45ACP.
Something for consideration: Many 10mm 1911's come doublestack, so you can enjoy 15+1 rounds of 1cm holing. They are big, though.
W2C?
I think that was a C&Rsenal or Forgotten Weapons limited run shirt or something. I don't think it's made anymore. They both have a bunch of other fun ones now tho.
Thx senpai <3
Btw, unless you're a fatass or a stick you won't be able to get one. Seems they only have XXXL and S sizes available on that one now. Probably going to need to wait for another shirt drive, normally around Christmas.
Another win for webleychads
TWO WORLD WARS
>two world wars
>one civil war
>all the French and Spanish expeditions to frick around in Africa
Rubychads... I kneel
just going to leave this here
Is this some kind of special model made for homosexuals?
It's an item you should not miss, if that is the case.
Lmao.
>ugly
>external extractor
>pivoting trigger
>cheap grips
>not ergonomic
no wonder God struck him down before he finished something as shitty as this
Never been BEATEN, not topped. That's something else entirely.
I have an emotional friend who beat his 1911 to pieces after a bad range day. At the range he is now banned from.
So legenday, even the oldest ones can be brought up to modern standards.
https://youtube.com/shorts/amddGB6J7P8?si=2cC8KiQkJRNSjACz
Back to back jam champ.
Investigate 1911
Mossad did 1911, hot loads can't crack steel frames
Black person the .45 is a fat inferior round for fat inferior people. The 1911 was outclassed even by the 1908 luger, which brought more rounds. At the very latest handguns like the FN High Power or the Vis killed the 1911 as modern pistol.
I get that America won the world wars despite they didn't bring the best pistol to the party because pistols don't matter. But even the American Army had to admit 9mm mogs .45 and switched.
Like with Euro measurements, Euro 24h time, Euro rifle ammunition. The US military recognizes that lots American shit is inferior and adapts white people things even in muttland. You boomer magatards take notice.
Why so mad?
>the “I need more rounds” amateur shooter
Navy seals use revolvers for this reason.
>US GIs and even the government reporting on small arms in WW2 found the 9mm to be a more effective caliber, largely attributed to it's higher velocity being better for breaking bone
Cope
I get you're being sarcastic but they actually did use revolvers over pistols with a higher capacity for over the beach stuff
Good point, which reminds me that GIGN had a sniper revolver in its inventory. Suddenly the pipe hitters of the world turned into old west gunslingers in my eyes.
^reddit homosexual. 9mm limp wrist. What war did Europs ever win without America helping them? Nothing. Not at home, not away. The 1911 was and still the all-around heavyweight champ. Common, reliable, accurate, a trigger by which all other fall short, stopping power by which all others fall short. 9mm is croissant munching shit dicks in berets.
Go to bed, gramps.
why are handguns so homosexual now?
imagine buying some tactiqueer ass kid's toy looking shit
Lego syndrome
A 2011 outclasses it all day every day.
>the “I need more rounds” amateur shooter
>the “I can’t use iron sights” feral alcohol syndrome shooter
>the “I need a double stack” gay handjob shooter
>the “I need drop in parts” because I can’t turn a screwdriver fatherless manchild
yes, it really is a pistol designed for this generation
Your claims 1 and 2 are essentially the same. All I will say is that there are more darkies roaming around than in 1911, and they are bolder. Based on that alone, more rounds are needed.
As for iron sights, my Staccato XC has them as do most 2011s. That most all of them are designed for an optic and work 100% with one installed means they are superior to the 1911.
I have not replaced any parts on my XC and do not feel the need to. Unlike, say, that minuscule sights on the original 1911. Can you even buy one with those any more? My buddy calls them
"gay blades".
Have a doublestack 45 1911.
Honestly if these things came with better QC they could have stopped the wonder 9 revolution
14+1 of fuddyfive with similar size of a 1911
Didn't Colt make a bunch of double stack 1911 prototypes in the 60s and 70s and the Military said no thanks?
I don't think that it would've stopped it anyway. 45 was never going to be the standard round because the bongs, frogs, and dagoes had already picked 9mm. Also, S&W had already introduced the Model 39 in the 50s and was popular amongst law enforcement by the 60s.
The P38 was cheaper, more precise, lighter and just as reliable.
P38s are frickin great
US knew that, that's why they switched to the M9 (guess what the M9 is based on?)
>lost russian civil war intervention
>lost korea
>lost vietnam
>lost loatian civil war
>lost permesta war
>lost bay of pigs
>lost cabodian civil war
>lost lebanese intervention
>lost somalia
>lost afghanistan
What a piece of shit.
>won two world wars
and you're still a homosexual
>>lost russian civil war intervention
The polar bear expedition was abandoned as soon as it left. It wasn't a serious attempt by any means.
>>lost korea
Where did this stupid idea come from? We could've destroyed North Korea, and even taken the fight to China, but Truman was a gay. All goals were achieved and South Korea still stands to this day.
>>lost lebanese intervention
Only one guy died and the government won, no clue what you're going for there. That was an extreme victory if there ever was one.
>Only one guy died and the government won, no clue what you're going for there. That was an extreme victory if there ever was one.
265 American dead in the intervention and completely failed in the goal of keeping the Lebanese Army from devolving into warbands and ended with a Syrian occupation after the MNF turned tail and ran. What the frick are you talking about?
t. verification not required
You're talking about the Beirut peace keeping operations in 1982, not the Lebanon Intervention (which happened in 1958). It was also a multi-national peace keeping operation, not a conflict. So what, you may say. They were actively ordered not to engage with the enemy even when under fire which led to a lot of unnecessary death. A total failure of homosexual "policymakers" that didn't let the Marines do what they needed to do.
The only pistols you need:
>a 1903 Pocket Hammerless for concealed carry
>a 1911 loaded with .38 Super for duty
>a Delta Elite for hiking (hand grenade)
>non drop safe gun for carry in .32 ACP
>rimmed duty cartridge
You'd be better off just pissing on yourself.
>muh drop safe
If you drop your concealed carry gun in any serious situation then you're either already dead or are about to be. Also just don't drop your gun moron.
>muh rim
Which all the Narco gunmen and comp shooters who use .38 Super have never had an issue with.
>If you drop your concealed carry gun in any serious situation then you're either already dead or are about to be. Also just don't drop your gun moron.
Just don't get into accidents, it's that easy.
>people who exclusively shoot .40sw tier 10mm calling .45 bad
45 is still king
You should try it. It feels incredible.
Don't you have some yourself you should be killing right about now?
>Don't you have some yourself you should be killing right about now?
Native English speaking bros, what did he or she mean by this?
It never will.
>someone posts a model using Browning Short Recoil
>Still never been topped
Just like me 🙁
Gay little homosexual rainbow medal
Perfect for a gay little homosexual pistol
Found the tupperware trader.
Found the toilet trader, found the uphill gardener, found the fudge packer, found the friend of Dorothy, you feel the love that dare not speak Its name, you love to dance, you're of the Uranian brotherhood, you indulge in the French vice, you have an antipathic sexual Instinct, you're fluent in Polari, you're a refugee from Sodom, you're on the wrong bus, you bat for the other team, you're temperamental, you're "one of them" if you catch my drift
He's got all his lamps in one submarine
He visits Cleveland Street
And yet not one denial of the fact you can use a glock to keep your spaghetti-o's fresh.
Curious.
Glocks sucking wiener and you sucking wiener are not mutually exclusive
TWO GULF WARS
The petrodollar pistol, to be retired with the petrodollar. What will be the lithiumcredit sluglauncher?
It got topped 24 years later but myths about stopping powah kept it alive until today
>More browning hi power simping
See
>Browning hi power
>Glock 21
>Sig p220
>Fnx 45
All lots better than the 1911.
>capacity of 7 rounds
Just get a revolver at that point. Why bother with anything else for less than 8 rounds?
7+1, dipshit
Show me an 8 round revolver that's chambered in .44 or .45
It is an abject failure as a military firearm as proven by US studies that via accident and malfunction it has killed more US troops than enemy ones. Its very existence is a military liability.
Hello. My name is Anon and I have a 1911 problem.
my only gun is a snubby and now I'm getting an itch to try a 1911
please stop me bros
Everything bad you've ever heard about 1911s is true
Everything good you've ever heard about 1911s is cope
It's a 120-year-old design and it fricking shows. Disassembling a 1911 is closer to taking apart a Mauser C96 than it is to taking apart a Beretta.
>It's a 120-year-old design and it fricking shows.
that's why I want it. I already larp with a snubnose .38. Now I want a .45 auto with 20th century STOPPING POWAH, although the 92 does seem to scratch the same itch. However, I live in a ban state with a 10rd magazine limit, and the idea of having something that ought to have 17 rounds but being artificially limited to 10 really, really bothers me. So everything I'm interested in at the moment is stuff that just naturally has less than a 10rd capacity. Really small pocket guns, for example, or higher caliber guns like the 1911. If not for the mag limit I think I might like a CZ 75 or a Beretta 92.
does anyone here have an RIA 1911?
not a bad idea
look into 357 and 44 mag revolvers too
love those, but I won't be able to afford a decent one for some time. If I had more money (which I will one day pretty soon) I'd probably go for a .44 magnum Smith. Blued or stainless.
I dry fired the shit out of my Charter Arms snubnose to get the grittiness out of the trigger pull. I wouldn't mind working the slide for a while with an abrasive compound.
>I dry fired the shit out of my Charter Arms snubnose to get the grittiness out of the trigger pull.
Ah man, a fellow charter brother. Love my on-duty snubby, it's the best ankle carry gun in the world.
>I wouldn't mind working the slide for a while with an abrasive compound.
It's really easy and completely mindless. Just do it well watching or listening to something.
Yep, I have an undercover. It's my first gun and it's pretty new. I've put a few hundred rounds through it and it's been great.
>It's really easy and completely mindless. Just do it well watching or listening to something.
That's exactly what I'd do, I'm usually doing something with my hands while I watch TV
>does anyone here have an RIA 1911?
I bought a Taylors and Company 1911, made by RIA. It's preddy good, but rough out of the box. Need to slick it up, but that only takes an hour or so racking the slide with some polishing medium or anything very slightly abrasive.
>I live in a ban state with a 10rd magazine limit
buy a deagle in .50ae and shoot FMJs
each bullet can kill 2-3 dudes, if they're aligned
>Glock has a better trigger than CZ
Glocks famously have shit triggers, it's the first thing everyone switches out
Which is why it's so impressive that the Czechs managed to make a hammer fired pistol with a worse trigger than it. Even the cajunized CZs I've felt have had longer, mushier triggers with much longer resets. It's a fantastically bad design
Haven't shot a lot of CZ's, but my Jericho, which is internally just a CZ that weighs twice as much, has a great trigger. I think you're just pretending to hate CZ's because someone told you they were reddit
>this entire post
He's a mass replying homosexual, and 99% of the time that means it's an autistic moron
I don't know man, I don't think I can accept that someone seriously wrote that glocks had a good trigger. Even nogunz would know because of the memes.
Not an argument
I didn't say glocks were good just that CZ75s are worse. You sound like redditors who fell into an echo chamber where everyone tells themselves it has a good trigger because it's way better than the mosin's, the only other gun they've ever shot. It's very common with SRA types. A /k/ommando can appreciate slavshit for being slavshit, a redditor will hype it up because the epic proletariat pistol mogs anything Western in their delusions.
>doesn't know what mass replying is
Reddit75 enthusiast spotted
Another symptom of being a fricking tard is inability to comprehend humor. Autistic morons only have two emotions, happy and angry, so when something confuses them, they turn into angry sweaty b***hes, like you're being right now.
Hitler had a lot of bad ideas, but Aktion T4 wasn't one of them. One of the biggest mistakes that society is making right now is pretending that autistics are good for society and not just worthless buttholes.
Im calling mental moronation
>to cater to the lowest common denominator, Europeans. It needed to be chambered for a weaker cartridge so weaker wrists could handle it and it needed the extra capacity to cope with the weaker cartridge
HAHAHAHAHA you could at least try not to project you fat slob
>Still never been topped
laughs in Glock.
I wouldn't laugh if I was Glock, which has been topped for many years now.
You are a sig homie aren't you?
I like my Colt 1911
Kinda hate mine
I don't even have a photo of mine, that's how little I care about it
It's ok, I do think I need more trigger time and the sights are a bit wonky
Boomer cringe.
>113 years later
>Still never been topped
enough about your mom (OP), gun is mid
His mom gets topped all the time.
Any good double stack 10mm 1911s? Need it for reasons that can't be disclosed
>80+ Year Old Gun
I just like it
I like the 1911, but the 92FS is still the coolest handgun ever made.
meh. The thin slide and partially exposed transfer bar on the Beretta are not ideal.
>t. own and like both 1911 and 92FS but Colt Mustang is still best lol
Not even the high power could compete
>*blocks your path*