Not magic, but definately one deviation more powerful than 10mm in certain loads. Factory rounds are slightly spicier .40, which is still better than 9mm but not by much.
Also a spicier round on +P/Super configurations, but nearly as equal on factory ones.
10mm is God's caliber, because it was made as an advancement but was stopped because of effeminate men and women.
Between .380 ACP (for low recoil and suppression), .30 Super Carry (for comparable performance to 9mm with more round capacity), 10mm (for power and capacity), and .45 ACP (for power and suppression), there is no need for 9mm.
It's only a behemoth because of NATO standardization. Get it removed from that and it would improve demand for everything else and prices would go down for other rounds due to better 'economies of scale'.
30 super carry is based; it's a shame you can only get S&Ws chambered in it
I'd love 5 extra rounds in a pf9 without having to sacrifice gun size or ballistics
>A lot of people carry it for defense against bear attacks.
yeah and im sure none of them have ever had to use it on a bear, nor could they tell you WHY they carry 10mm. same as people who recommend buffalo bore hardcasts despite never shooting or owning them.
anons on /k/ repeat shit they hear from other anons who they assume are experts on here.
good round, makes me happy
i prefer to carry it over 9mm for daily use
i think general opinion has sort of gotten it backwards, at least in this part of the country without grizzlies
if i’m walking around a long long time in the woods i’d rather have a 9mm with lighter ammo, more rounds in one magazine (since I probably don’t want to carry two), all the best OWB duty retention holsters are for 9mm guns
but if i’m just out and about the chance i need to shoot through a barrier like a car door etc is higher, i don’t mind the weight as much bc i’m probably driving and not walking as much, so i can carry two magazines as well.
that’s my two cents
Nothing lives up to any magic one shot stop caliber reputation. Even 44 magnum takes two hits to drop someone about 1/4 of the time. There is no substitute for shot placement.
I can't figure out why people think subcompacts need moron short barrels. I carry a grip chopped G19 sometimes and if it were a smidge thinner it'd be perfect.
You know that recent video of the Russian t-55 blowing up, the one that people said was a VBIED? It was actually just a crewed t-55 that got shot with a 10mm
>the absolute worst loading available is 100% equal to .40 S&W >most target loads are .40 with a kick at half the cost >can shoot loads equal to .40 +p without possibly putting your gun in danger >spicy and buffalo bore-tier loads are nearly equal to or are equal to their .357 magnum counterparts
You'll likely want a heavier spring if you're actually shooting them or it'll chew up your frame over time. If you want to carry a mag in case of lions and tigers and bears oh my, it'll be fine.
.40 S&W nerd here, with modern propellants you can hotrod .40 to original 10mm specs. Picked up a Styer m40a1 specifically to play with reloads since they are stupidly overbuilt and have much better chamber support than the glock 23 I usually carry. 9.6-9.8 grains of VV 3n38 will push a 180gr hardcast to +/- 1200fps out of a glock 23 depending on humidity and ambient air pressure, while staying in safe pressure range. In personal experience I had a few bulged cases with the old 3rd gen glock, nothing like that since switching to the styer. Hoping to work up a 1300fps compressed load, will probably build a firing sled just in case I get a KB. Love that magnum performance out of a compact.
That's just cutting into the safety margin though. Even this guy
.40 S&W nerd here, with modern propellants you can hotrod .40 to original 10mm specs. Picked up a Styer m40a1 specifically to play with reloads since they are stupidly overbuilt and have much better chamber support than the glock 23 I usually carry. 9.6-9.8 grains of VV 3n38 will push a 180gr hardcast to +/- 1200fps out of a glock 23 depending on humidity and ambient air pressure, while staying in safe pressure range. In personal experience I had a few bulged cases with the old 3rd gen glock, nothing like that since switching to the styer. Hoping to work up a 1300fps compressed load, will probably build a firing sled just in case I get a KB. Love that magnum performance out of a compact.
Yeah, based on my math and the calculations other people have done, I'm at about 90-92% absolute max load. I'm reaching a point where incomplete powder burn in barrel length starts becoming an issue. I can obviously go faster with a lighter bullet, but I want to stick with 180 gr because I like beeg boolit. If I cross 1300 fps at 180gr, I will post load data so other anons can replicate.
That's getting into "need a comp" territory so you may as well go with an extra inch of barrel and retain reliability. A marginally more powerful shot isn't much good if the next one doesn't feed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, there a shooters I've talked to online that do it easily with 6-8 inch custom barrels on target guns, but I want to try to make it happen out of something I'll actually carry. Probably a fool's errand, but it gives me something to play with.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You could just carry a 10mm my guy
the larger case capacity would give you more flexibility
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but then I'll start chasing 1500 fps out of a carry gun.
10 months ago
Anonymous
G29 with a 9x25 Dillon barrel probably pulls this off.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Underwood 124gr does 1700fps out of a 6" barrel. You're easily doing 1500 out of a 4" extended ported barrel and have the bonus of less recoil than a Glock 17 thanks to the round's interaction with porting.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but then I'll start chasing 1500 fps out of a carry gun.
Underwood 124gr does 1700fps out of a 6" barrel. You're easily doing 1500 out of a 4" extended ported barrel and have the bonus of less recoil than a Glock 17 thanks to the round's interaction with porting.
Dillon can pass mach 2 out of a pistol with lighter bullets, provided you have the requisite testosterone to carry the only barrel length that matters.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Dillonbro, you are based. But lib CD 10mm hits those velocities too.
10 months ago
Anonymous
True but 9 inch 9x25 max loads will do it in the far more penetrative Fort Scott TUIs or the lighter designs of XDs (there are two sizes of XDs for some reason, in some calibers, both of which are lighter than XPs)
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're going to start outrunning the mag spring, the long slides and comps slow down the action.
Doubling up the spring will help up to a point but if you develop a borderline-functional stunt load in the Steyr it's going to choke your G23.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I'm not planning on running any of these in the G23 for safety reasons, these will be exclusively for the styer. Upgrading springs is a good idea, hadn't thought about outrunning the mag yet but that would explain a couple failures to feed I had previously in mags I had not had other issues with. Thanks, anon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Also worth bearing in mind if you're going right up to the bleeding edge you're going to have to start doing things like check every individual case for capacity, run your bullets through a sizer, and work up a new load when you start on a new batch of powder. Take out the safety margin and you're going to need to eliminate tolerances.
>If I cross 1300 fps at 180gr, I will post load data so other anons can replicate.
I'm glad I didn't decide to get a cuck 10mm lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
My dude where did you get these entirely mediocre numbers from? I can push 125 @ 1500 in 357 SIG with 0 pucker factor.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Can you do it in a 3" j frame?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Chamber one in 357 SIG and yes, I can.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If it's over 3 inches then it isn't a J frame
11 months ago
Anonymous
okay, but I didn't say it was over 3", I said it was 3"
11 months ago
Anonymous
Good job, anon. You are able to screenshot bare minimum performance from a magnum revolver load. I am replicating that performance from a 13 shot, compact semiautomatic. I'll be impressed when you start posting your 180gr, 1800fps+ handloads, because I want them for my revolver without having to do the work myself.
>>most target loads are .40 with a kick at half the cost >>can shoot loads equal to .40 +p without possibly putting your gun in danger
and buffalo bore-tier loads are nearly equal to or are equal to their .357 magnum counterparts
All this is bullshit.
10mm, or .40 Largo as many firearms experts prefer to call the round, was an attempt to improve on .40 S&W, which itself was created to satify exhaustive FBI standards following the North Hollywood shootout, where .38 Special and 9mm were found to be woefully underpowered. 10mm cases are notoriously weak, since elongation of .40 S&W cases resulted in excessive thinning of the case wall. This has caused numerous explosive failures, especially in 1911 type pistols that suffer from unsupported chambers, unlike the Glocks that were designed specifically for use with .40 S&W and later 10mm. As a result, most commercially available 10mm cartridges are underloaded to protect people that insist on using modern cartridges in antiquated designs, and the cartridge consistently underperforms the .40 S&W parent cartridge. It is mostly regarded as being a mildy spicy 9mm, and has fallen into the category of novelty cartridge. Hope this was helpful!
Some call of duty kid is gonna read this and take it as gospel, well done. For anyone interested in the truth, 10mm was designed in 1983 whereas .40 S&W is from 1990. .40S&W is the child case of 10mm, and was derived from the cartridge in response to Feds with weak wrists and poor weapons handling skills.
>does it live up to
YES. 10mm Auto is frankly underrated on what it can do, 9mm is cope and .45ACP is antiquated technology. .40S&W was a marketing gimmick to put 10mm into 9mm frame pistols, an attempt for concealment and recoil control for reduced training requirements which is a HORRIBLE metric to base a weapon on.
One shot stops with typical handgun calibers, including 10mm, are a myth. Yes it's dramatically overhyped but it does have more power. The fallacy is that that extra power matters in humans--it doesn't. When combined with penetrating projectiles however it is significantly more effective than 9mm, .40 or .45 for animals with thick bones.
However most people don't use it for that. They're expecting to use it on people where that power is wasted.
It absolutely has merit when extra barrier penetration and penetration in large animals is required. It goes through bear skulls and windshields quite well while still having enough mass, diameter and momentum to frick up some internal organs. Smaller rounds may do the same thing if the angles are right and the placement is good but a 10mm does it much more confidently. It also comes in a package that is smaller and lighter than a .44mag revolver. People forget that the packaging of the round, meaning the gun, matters.
There are 2 main drawbacks to 10mm. 1. It comes in the same size frame/gun as .45acp which is thick and heavy for an EDC gun. I would not use 10mm as a substitute for a compact or subcompact 9mm as the 9mm is way comfier to have on you. Secondly, you need to buy the good ammo to get the benefit of 10mm. That means Underwood or Buffalo Bore, to name a couple. Much off the shelf 10mm is loaded to .45acp specs so as to not crack the frame on someones old Delta Elite and for general liability reasons from the manufacturer. A Glock can handle Underwood just fine.
So, it's too big for EDC and you have to get the expensive ammo to take advantage of it. It's not as powerful as .44mag but you get more rounds in a smaller gun. 10mm is my choice for area with bear and occasionally winter carry under heavier clothing.
I would recommend against 10mm as a first gun or for novice shooters for whom a compact 9mm is far more ideal or even a .357mag if an option with more penetration is desired.
If I could only have one handgun, it would be a 10mm
In fact, when I lived in NJ, and my local PD would only give one pistol permit at a time, and would take about a year to give you one, I did have a 10mm as my only handgun, which I illegally carried for years while living in that state
10mm is reddit the caliber
45 mogs it in every way: target shooting, people shooting, bear shooting
The hottest 10mm seems pretty tame once you've gone down the pissin hot 45 rabbit hole.
I bought a Spanish a subcompact 45 for $100 from a lgs and proceeded to launch some 260gr projectiles at 1075fps out of it. Went back and told the sales guy and received a look of amazement and questioning of how much I like my hands. Then there's the people on glocktalk sending 300gr bullets faster than that and 185gr bullets faster than the hottest 180gr 357 loads which makes 10mm seem even weaker
This is the most bullshit post I've read in days and I read staggeringly huge numbers of bullshit posts.
You're either trolling, or the most slack jawed wiener sucking boomer to ever yee your last haw.
460 Rowland is a moronic boomer meme for idiots who can't into reloading
45 acp is to 45 super how 10mm is to what redditors think 10mm is
45 acp factory hollow point loads expand bigger for the same penetration as factory 10mm hollow points
45 continues to mog as you increase pressures to the point of needing stronger recoil springs and/or compensators (like you'd want if you were gonna shoot a bunch of really hot 10mm)
HK's 45s will handle really hot 45 right out of the box without modification. 230gr at 1200fps out of a stock USP45 is max comfy and will make you wonder why anyone would want a 10mm. Regular 45 acp brass will hold up to 40 ksi in a well supported chamber so for saner loads you don't even need expensive brass.
A lot of people carry it for defense against bear attacks. So it certainly has a use.
.45 ACP has poor penetration and holds less rounds in comparison
Not magic, but definately one deviation more powerful than 10mm in certain loads. Factory rounds are slightly spicier .40, which is still better than 9mm but not by much.
Also a spicier round on +P/Super configurations, but nearly as equal on factory ones.
10mm is God's caliber, because it was made as an advancement but was stopped because of effeminate men and women.
Between .380 ACP (for low recoil and suppression), .30 Super Carry (for comparable performance to 9mm with more round capacity), 10mm (for power and capacity), and .45 ACP (for power and suppression), there is no need for 9mm.
It's only a behemoth because of NATO standardization. Get it removed from that and it would improve demand for everything else and prices would go down for other rounds due to better 'economies of scale'.
>.30 super carry
Meme caliber. I prefer 9mm because I can actually find it in stores easily
>.30 meme carry
Oh no, it's moronic.
>.30 Super Carry
stopped reading because i know the rest will be stupid
>hey if we use 4 entirely different caliber rounds to do everything this single caliber round could do, everything would be better!
this is why nobody in the real world asks for advice here.
>.45 ACP (for power and suppression)
post can or shut the frick up
>.30 Stupid Crazy
frick off Federal shill, don't you have to go get Hickok45 to thank you again
30 super carry is based; it's a shame you can only get S&Ws chambered in it
I'd love 5 extra rounds in a pf9 without having to sacrifice gun size or ballistics
you can get a Hi-Point in it. Which is exactly where it belongs.
In one breath you say 9mm is superior to and equal to 2 calibers, while also saying it has no use.
Baffling.
Anon is a Min/max Reddit gay that’s never shot suppressed should die of anal cancer.
definately
The true sign of a real man is choosing a pistol caliber based on his need to prove to the world that he is a man
>he doesn't understand what field ammo is
>.45 ACP has poor penetration and holds less rounds in comparison
.45 ball has no issue penetrating and makes .45 caliber holes
>A lot of people carry it for defense against bear attacks.
yeah and im sure none of them have ever had to use it on a bear, nor could they tell you WHY they carry 10mm. same as people who recommend buffalo bore hardcasts despite never shooting or owning them.
anons on /k/ repeat shit they hear from other anons who they assume are experts on here.
>.45 ACP has poor penetration
because all .45 is the same right? you're dumb
it's a cartridge that is looking for a use where there is none
You lack imagination. How sad for you in the bedroom.
good round, makes me happy
i prefer to carry it over 9mm for daily use
i think general opinion has sort of gotten it backwards, at least in this part of the country without grizzlies
if i’m walking around a long long time in the woods i’d rather have a 9mm with lighter ammo, more rounds in one magazine (since I probably don’t want to carry two), all the best OWB duty retention holsters are for 9mm guns
but if i’m just out and about the chance i need to shoot through a barrier like a car door etc is higher, i don’t mind the weight as much bc i’m probably driving and not walking as much, so i can carry two magazines as well.
that’s my two cents
Nothing lives up to any magic one shot stop caliber reputation. Even 44 magnum takes two hits to drop someone about 1/4 of the time. There is no substitute for shot placement.
I can't figure out the point of 10mm subcompacts. There's no way you have time to accelerate the bullet to a meaningful velocity in a 3 inch barrel.
I can't figure out why people think subcompacts need moron short barrels. I carry a grip chopped G19 sometimes and if it were a smidge thinner it'd be perfect.
It is the best pistol caliber. But it’s still just a pistol caliber.
Wrong, it was necked down to the best pistol caliber.
There are at least two contenders for your description, be more specific.
probably .40 sw
Except that's not a necked round.
nvm he's most likely talking about 9×25mm Dillon
.44 magnum is the best pistol caliber.
You know that recent video of the Russian t-55 blowing up, the one that people said was a VBIED? It was actually just a crewed t-55 that got shot with a 10mm
LARPer noshoot min max video game caliber
Shot placement is what matters. If you cannot hit the target then one shot stop caliber is macho bullshit.
No, but it's a great all-around round
>the absolute worst loading available is 100% equal to .40 S&W
>most target loads are .40 with a kick at half the cost
>can shoot loads equal to .40 +p without possibly putting your gun in danger
>spicy and buffalo bore-tier loads are nearly equal to or are equal to their .357 magnum counterparts
would a Glock 29 be able to handle pissing hot loads?
You'll likely want a heavier spring if you're actually shooting them or it'll chew up your frame over time. If you want to carry a mag in case of lions and tigers and bears oh my, it'll be fine.
>.40 +p
There's no such thing and 10mm pressures are lower than .40 - that's why there's no .40 +P, it's right on the limit.
You may be technically correct, but reloaded and Bubbalo Bore .40 can get pretty hot. Not that I would recommend it.
.40 S&W nerd here, with modern propellants you can hotrod .40 to original 10mm specs. Picked up a Styer m40a1 specifically to play with reloads since they are stupidly overbuilt and have much better chamber support than the glock 23 I usually carry. 9.6-9.8 grains of VV 3n38 will push a 180gr hardcast to +/- 1200fps out of a glock 23 depending on humidity and ambient air pressure, while staying in safe pressure range. In personal experience I had a few bulged cases with the old 3rd gen glock, nothing like that since switching to the styer. Hoping to work up a 1300fps compressed load, will probably build a firing sled just in case I get a KB. Love that magnum performance out of a compact.
That's just cutting into the safety margin though. Even this guy
is probably running around 90% max.
Yeah, based on my math and the calculations other people have done, I'm at about 90-92% absolute max load. I'm reaching a point where incomplete powder burn in barrel length starts becoming an issue. I can obviously go faster with a lighter bullet, but I want to stick with 180 gr because I like beeg boolit. If I cross 1300 fps at 180gr, I will post load data so other anons can replicate.
That's getting into "need a comp" territory so you may as well go with an extra inch of barrel and retain reliability. A marginally more powerful shot isn't much good if the next one doesn't feed.
Yeah, there a shooters I've talked to online that do it easily with 6-8 inch custom barrels on target guns, but I want to try to make it happen out of something I'll actually carry. Probably a fool's errand, but it gives me something to play with.
You could just carry a 10mm my guy
the larger case capacity would give you more flexibility
Yeah, but then I'll start chasing 1500 fps out of a carry gun.
G29 with a 9x25 Dillon barrel probably pulls this off.
Underwood 124gr does 1700fps out of a 6" barrel. You're easily doing 1500 out of a 4" extended ported barrel and have the bonus of less recoil than a Glock 17 thanks to the round's interaction with porting.
Dillon can pass mach 2 out of a pistol with lighter bullets, provided you have the requisite testosterone to carry the only barrel length that matters.
Dillonbro, you are based. But lib CD 10mm hits those velocities too.
True but 9 inch 9x25 max loads will do it in the far more penetrative Fort Scott TUIs or the lighter designs of XDs (there are two sizes of XDs for some reason, in some calibers, both of which are lighter than XPs)
You're going to start outrunning the mag spring, the long slides and comps slow down the action.
Doubling up the spring will help up to a point but if you develop a borderline-functional stunt load in the Steyr it's going to choke your G23.
Yeah, I'm not planning on running any of these in the G23 for safety reasons, these will be exclusively for the styer. Upgrading springs is a good idea, hadn't thought about outrunning the mag yet but that would explain a couple failures to feed I had previously in mags I had not had other issues with. Thanks, anon.
Also worth bearing in mind if you're going right up to the bleeding edge you're going to have to start doing things like check every individual case for capacity, run your bullets through a sizer, and work up a new load when you start on a new batch of powder. Take out the safety margin and you're going to need to eliminate tolerances.
>If I cross 1300 fps at 180gr, I will post load data so other anons can replicate.
I'm glad I didn't decide to get a cuck 10mm lmao
My dude where did you get these entirely mediocre numbers from? I can push 125 @ 1500 in 357 SIG with 0 pucker factor.
Can you do it in a 3" j frame?
Chamber one in 357 SIG and yes, I can.
If it's over 3 inches then it isn't a J frame
okay, but I didn't say it was over 3", I said it was 3"
Good job, anon. You are able to screenshot bare minimum performance from a magnum revolver load. I am replicating that performance from a 13 shot, compact semiautomatic. I'll be impressed when you start posting your 180gr, 1800fps+ handloads, because I want them for my revolver without having to do the work myself.
>he thinks 10mm can rival .357
>but my bubba hot piss loads
>forgets how moronicly hot a magnum can shoot
>ngmi
Poast Ruger or no moronicly hot magnum loads 4u.
>>most target loads are .40 with a kick at half the cost
>>can shoot loads equal to .40 +p without possibly putting your gun in danger
and buffalo bore-tier loads are nearly equal to or are equal to their .357 magnum counterparts
All this is bullshit.
Only one that's iffy is the first one but he might just be talking about differences in 10mm prices. I guess .40 +p is not a real term tho.
10mm, or .40 Largo as many firearms experts prefer to call the round, was an attempt to improve on .40 S&W, which itself was created to satify exhaustive FBI standards following the North Hollywood shootout, where .38 Special and 9mm were found to be woefully underpowered. 10mm cases are notoriously weak, since elongation of .40 S&W cases resulted in excessive thinning of the case wall. This has caused numerous explosive failures, especially in 1911 type pistols that suffer from unsupported chambers, unlike the Glocks that were designed specifically for use with .40 S&W and later 10mm. As a result, most commercially available 10mm cartridges are underloaded to protect people that insist on using modern cartridges in antiquated designs, and the cartridge consistently underperforms the .40 S&W parent cartridge. It is mostly regarded as being a mildy spicy 9mm, and has fallen into the category of novelty cartridge. Hope this was helpful!
Some call of duty kid is gonna read this and take it as gospel, well done. For anyone interested in the truth, 10mm was designed in 1983 whereas .40 S&W is from 1990. .40S&W is the child case of 10mm, and was derived from the cartridge in response to Feds with weak wrists and poor weapons handling skills.
>Feds with weak wrists and poor weapons handling skills.
just say women
I prefer to think that the male agents are all limp-wristed homosexuals, rather than placing the blame exclusively on women.
It's still a pistol round.
>does it live up to
YES. 10mm Auto is frankly underrated on what it can do, 9mm is cope and .45ACP is antiquated technology. .40S&W was a marketing gimmick to put 10mm into 9mm frame pistols, an attempt for concealment and recoil control for reduced training requirements which is a HORRIBLE metric to base a weapon on.
10mm handguns are ether too large for the person or under spec for the round.
One shot stops with typical handgun calibers, including 10mm, are a myth. Yes it's dramatically overhyped but it does have more power. The fallacy is that that extra power matters in humans--it doesn't. When combined with penetrating projectiles however it is significantly more effective than 9mm, .40 or .45 for animals with thick bones.
However most people don't use it for that. They're expecting to use it on people where that power is wasted.
>however it is significantly more effective than 9mm, .40 or .45 for animals with thick bones.
Animal bones are very poor bulletproofing material.
Yeah, if a bear goes for you simply teleport behind it and unsheath your katana.
Why did the FBI have to drop 10mm? Think about all the kino 10mm handguns and smgs we could have gotten.
The Deus Ex timeline?
Too many agents couldn't deal with it due to the round "hurting aow wittle wists"
i find that really hard to believe considering it kicks significantly less than .357.
If they were shooting norma spec ammo I'd believe it
It's basically 357 on steroids
It absolutely has merit when extra barrier penetration and penetration in large animals is required. It goes through bear skulls and windshields quite well while still having enough mass, diameter and momentum to frick up some internal organs. Smaller rounds may do the same thing if the angles are right and the placement is good but a 10mm does it much more confidently. It also comes in a package that is smaller and lighter than a .44mag revolver. People forget that the packaging of the round, meaning the gun, matters.
There are 2 main drawbacks to 10mm. 1. It comes in the same size frame/gun as .45acp which is thick and heavy for an EDC gun. I would not use 10mm as a substitute for a compact or subcompact 9mm as the 9mm is way comfier to have on you. Secondly, you need to buy the good ammo to get the benefit of 10mm. That means Underwood or Buffalo Bore, to name a couple. Much off the shelf 10mm is loaded to .45acp specs so as to not crack the frame on someones old Delta Elite and for general liability reasons from the manufacturer. A Glock can handle Underwood just fine.
So, it's too big for EDC and you have to get the expensive ammo to take advantage of it. It's not as powerful as .44mag but you get more rounds in a smaller gun. 10mm is my choice for area with bear and occasionally winter carry under heavier clothing.
I would recommend against 10mm as a first gun or for novice shooters for whom a compact 9mm is far more ideal or even a .357mag if an option with more penetration is desired.
If I could only have one handgun, it would be a 10mm
In fact, when I lived in NJ, and my local PD would only give one pistol permit at a time, and would take about a year to give you one, I did have a 10mm as my only handgun, which I illegally carried for years while living in that state
Phone booth caliber
The only good thing about 10mm is that if its the main pistol cartridge in a piece of media you immediately know its likely to be KINO.
Except for Fallout 3/4
12GA is deadlier.
10mm is reddit the caliber
45 mogs it in every way: target shooting, people shooting, bear shooting
The hottest 10mm seems pretty tame once you've gone down the pissin hot 45 rabbit hole.
I bought a Spanish a subcompact 45 for $100 from a lgs and proceeded to launch some 260gr projectiles at 1075fps out of it. Went back and told the sales guy and received a look of amazement and questioning of how much I like my hands. Then there's the people on glocktalk sending 300gr bullets faster than that and 185gr bullets faster than the hottest 180gr 357 loads which makes 10mm seem even weaker
This is the most bullshit post I've read in days and I read staggeringly huge numbers of bullshit posts.
You're either trolling, or the most slack jawed wiener sucking boomer to ever yee your last haw.
>the reddit millennial cowers in fear as the zoomer unlocks true stopping power
QRD? on gun
If you're talking about 45 super and .460 rowland and shit, then yeah. Most people think about 45 aarp though and should be ignored.
460 Rowland is a moronic boomer meme for idiots who can't into reloading
45 acp is to 45 super how 10mm is to what redditors think 10mm is
45 acp factory hollow point loads expand bigger for the same penetration as factory 10mm hollow points
45 continues to mog as you increase pressures to the point of needing stronger recoil springs and/or compensators (like you'd want if you were gonna shoot a bunch of really hot 10mm)
HK's 45s will handle really hot 45 right out of the box without modification. 230gr at 1200fps out of a stock USP45 is max comfy and will make you wonder why anyone would want a 10mm. Regular 45 acp brass will hold up to 40 ksi in a well supported chamber so for saner loads you don't even need expensive brass.
Whatever you say, Bubba. I will say that if .45 shills got the hotter loads more popular, then I would kneel.