100 space marines drop into the middle of DC with the goal of taking the capital.
What happens?
100 space marines drop into the middle of DC with the goal of taking the capital. What happens?
100 space marines drop into the middle of DC with the goal of taking the capital.
What happens?
they take the capital
FPBP
if bunch of drop pods hit in front of congress, every congresscritter would be strawberry jam in five minutes flat. the only resistance would be secret service guys with pistols and capital cops with carbines. it would be a massacre.
I bet it would be fun to watch, though.
“Yeah”
they see a living corpse in control and think it is the Emperor.
fricking kek
>we must bring him 1000 children to smell daily, lest the Astroicecreamry fail and doom us all
That'a Great Unclean One.
MAKE GREAT AMERICAN AGAIN
when the frick did American politics became this geriatric and why? where's my fricking young and charismatic leaders with hot wifes?
>Dude why isn't the president, like, some young and cool guy in his 20s with a bangin' hot chick?
in politics "young" means early 40s, tardo-kun
iirc 40yrs old is the minimum age for running in office.
21 for house, 30 for senate and 35 for president
One generation had the best upbringing, chances, and economy in history handed to them on a silver platter. This same generation squandered everything and is now going to die with the words "frick you, got mine" on their lips as the world burns and collapses on their descendants, who they abused, fricked over, and handed the bill of their debauchery. This is why all the ruling classes are of that generation or earlier and why most of their kids can't afford a house.
DeSantis is young.
His wife could be considered hot. But he's definitely not charismatic.
Because of generation size, legitimately. Right now, the generation that is in prime Politician age is Gen X, but Gen X is fricking tiny. The smallest American generation compared to total population size in history. So there's barely any Gen X candidates and barely any Gen X voters. There has been exactly one Gen X president, Barack Obama, and he is probably the last one. It's going to jump straight from Boomers to Millenials.
thanks for the vote of confidence for the Dems anon
(DeSantis is a Gen Xer. '78)
DeSantis is never gonna be president. Dude is is a black hole of anti-charisma.
DeSantis is a fricking ass clown, and will absolutely be mugged by Trump (you know, the moron who lost to JO* BID*N) in the primaries. That dude can't even beat Mickey Mouse.
Nobody can beat the mouse, they are literally undefeated
It's suicide to even try
Why this mong thinks he'll be the one to change this trend is beyond me
Because Boomers have desperately held onto power to the point they forced Gen X to be 10 years behind the curve in representation in Congress. The reason they desperately hold onto power is because they view themselves as the entirety of history. One of the ideas running around when they were kids is that they were the start of a new history. And right when they hit majority control in congress in the 90s, the "End of History" was declared with the perfect world having arrived.
And look at that. Ten years later, we see just how fricking shit they are. But their egos don't permit for the idea they are shit, so they blame everyone else (Dems blame Ancestors, Repubs blame Descendants) and keep trying to force the world to obey their failures of ideas.
>(Dems blame Ancestors, Repubs blame Descendants)
What a nice thought. I'm stealing this.
National leaders get older as the country gets more elderly in population.
It sounds counter intuitive, but young leaders can only exist in a country with an agile bureaucracy that values natural talent. Slow bureaucracies managed by stubborn bureaucrats won't value change, and young leaders inherently want significant change. Old leaders want things to stay more or less the same; people become more averse to risk as they get older.
A country that is elderly is afraid of any kind of risk and so it will avoid any possible reward that requires accepting risk.
The exact same thing happened with the USSR: before Gorbachev it was a Russian joke that Premiers were elected for a year because they'd soon die of old age. Gorbachev was in his 50s when he was chosen and he was considered young by the standards of Soviet leaders.
It's something that has happened in every country at some point. Don't treat it like "old people cause decadence", rather treat an elderly political establishment as a litmus test for wider cultural problems that are causing decadence.
It means that the country is in freefall and the only thing that will stop its descent is crashing into something immovable. Just like when the USSR collapsed, the young seized power because they could not stand the ponderously slow and cautious decisions of the Presidium; when a country needs sweeping and immediate change, only younger people can do that, because we're inherently more accepting of risk.
underrated
10/10
preddy funny
kek
This. There is huge difference between games and lore.
>Going by table top rules and power conversion a 120mm apfsds dart is between Str 3-4.
Nope. STR 3 covers pretty much all small arms from pistol calibers to full power rifles. 9mmP STR 3, .45ACP STR3, 5.56mmNATO STR 3, 7.62x39 STR3, 7.62mm real fricking NATO STR3... and so on. STR 4 is .50BMG territory. STR 7 would cover all modern autocannons from 20mm to 40mm-ish. 120mm cannon would be around STR 8. One thing you need know, writers of 40k lore and game rules have very faint ideas of IRL weaponry.
>Humans aren't just plain "Humans" in the future as humanity was genetically altered a very very long time ago making the average Human in 40k significantly stronger than humans today.
40k humanity is pale degenerated shadow of humanity of so called dark age of technology. They are pretty much on modern day technology level outside of handful scifi technologies retained from the dark age.
bazinga
Book space marines? All armed opposition dead within 20 minutes and a perimeter secured within the hour.
Tabletop marines? Probably go between 9 and 15 to one against cops and lose to pure attrition because even stub pistols will eventually roll high enough.
Counting book marines.
Would the US be able to take it back?
Nta but I think so, just based on the idea of it being just the space marines and not their support. They’d have a limited amount of ammo and I doubt they’d like our anti-tank weapons any more than a non-human-shaped tank would.
You should read the one where a handful of space wolfs asymmetric a whole Dark elf incursion on a planet.
was that the one where they end up training the native humans so well that when they refused to bend knee the spess muhreens just orbitally bombarded the planet than do another guerilla war
not without leveling DC through aerial bombardment
Absolutely. Space Marines are hardy but not invincible by any stretch of the imagination. If they were hit with a cruise missile they would almost certainly die. They’d be dead within a few days, no matter how much damage they could do
Tau cruise missiles absolutely shrek marines, so harpoons or similar would too.
Now, if the marines had their battle barge to provide teleportation and fire support, the marines absolutely could frick over the earth.
When you have the ability to teleport what is essentially Bradleys in the shape of a human, wherever you want to, whenever you want to, there basically nothing earthlings can do.
Aren’t the teleporters super sketch though?
They could easily take it, then raze it and move on. staying in one place would be suicidal. if they keep on the move they could take the planet with enough time. if they were alpha legion, then they would just disrupt everything in the world until we all kill each other and there's no one left.
wait a minute... how do we know they're not here already?
short range teleporter packs are usually pretty okay. long range usually requires beacons be set up beforehand to increase accuracy. without them there can be... accidents, but they're not super common.
>basically nothing earthlings can do.
Except erect wooden stairs/forts around key areas
Yea yea the primaris reiver things could probably get up a staircase
>When you have the ability to teleport what is essentially Bradleys in the shape of a human
Just let the Russians deal with it, they have no problem taking out Bradleys lol
Turn the planet into wooden stairs, that will frick them up!
No, a space marine Company which a 100 unit would be the most of, is capslblr of taking almost any world intact, a world with superior technology, unity and population to ours. Like our hydrogen bombs would be completely ineffective vs power armor. Abadon commonly takes fortified imperial worlds with a single company of terminators. Literally world's with pops of 50-100 billion, with energy weapons and unlimited nukes with 100 dudes.
%3D
That’s bullshit. You are gay and moronic and making shit up
LOL it's not. Normal space marine companies are commonly called upon to secure valuable world's. Space marine tactical squads to defend world's. Abaddons peronsal terminator company taking defended imperial worlds is honestly not even noteworthy. There is literally noting on in our current arsenal that could hurt a terminator. Normal space marine armor in lore can take rank rounds form 38 thousand years in the future so a squad of the deadliest terminators in the galaxy would be almost invulnerable.
>Normal space marine armor in lore can take rank rounds form 38 thousand years in the future
Not without the favor of the dice gods or edition rules writers. A tactical squad's armor saves will almost certainly not be enough to withstand more than a couple of turns in front of a Leman Russ/Predator/Sicaran/etc.
Being from the future doesn't make it better. It's displayed abilities or stats determine it's effect. Anyone can write a story about soldiers from the year 2 billion being killed with sticks and rocks.
>Normal space marine armor in lore can take rank rounds form 38 thousand years
yet they can get killed by heavy stubbers which are canonically .50 cal. a common lasgun is typically agreed to be on 20mm canon range so that is just bullshit.
>yet they can get killed by heavy stubbers which are canonically .50 cal.
Often worse.
>a common lasgun is typically agreed to be on 20mm canon range so that is just bullshit.
What is "commonly agreed on" by noguns spacebattlers doesn't mean dick to me lol.
This.
"Heavy stubbers" are "heavy machine guns", but GW can't tell the difference between M2 and MG08...
well what's an analogue for the power of a lasgun for you then?
Lasguns have the same pathetic damage output as autoguns in the wargame and RPGs, so they'd be pretty close to modern-day small arms.
>Lasguns have the same "pathetic" damage output as high-calibre battle rifles firing significantly hotter ammo than IRL counterparts.
Also, only in the TT: RPG systems are abit more granular, and Las generally outperforms autoguns outside of the really out there ones that sacrifice most anything else to get bigger boolet.
1d10+3 Pen 0 isn’t that scary.
so much for marine power armor being invulnerable to nukes lol god i hate marine power wankers
Trying to equate a laser discharge and a bullet directly on a one to one basis is futile because lasers and bullets interact with different materials differently. A laser that penetrates the same amount of flesh as a bullet is not likely to react similarly to ceramics or metals (and the difference is likely to be huge). Further, a laser that *penetrates* the same amount of flesh as a bullet will likely have wildly different terminal effects (width, effect on surrounding tissues, etc), and these might be different based on the exact width of the beam.
The idea of an "analogous" relationship between them is self defeating, I'm sorry.
Think about this for a moment:
An HE shell and a solid shot are far more similar than a laser and a bullet, yet no one on earth tries to draw an analogous ratio or "conversion" between them. No one says "a 155mm HE shell is Analogous to a 40mm solid shell because they both penetrate the same amount of steel" or "A 120mm solid shell is analogous to a 20mm HE grenade because they both have approximately the same effect striking a squad of infantry"
This is basically what you're asking me to do, you're trying to get me to tell you what caliber of rifle bullet is the equivalent of a flamethrower.
a lasgun can blow an arm off a human target cleanly. 5.56 can't reliably do that. 7.62? maybe. but .50 sure as hell can. of course it's not fricking accurate but it's the closest we can get. anything weaker than that would make space marine armor moronicly weak.
>a lasgun can blow an arm off a human target cleanly. 5.56 can't reliably do that. 7.62? maybe. but .50 sure as hell can. of course it's not fricking accurate but it's the closest we can get. anything weaker than that would make space marine armor moronicly weak.
I took the time to write all that out to explain the situation to you in full and you just ignored it. Why did I waste my time I should have just called you a Black person.
I KNOW that lasers will have a different effect on different materials. I just gave out the simplest example of how a lasgun reacts to human targets from a book. no ceramite bullshit no other add ons. just a dude wearing bog standard clothing. an average lasgun can take an arm clean off but can't paste a human torso. are you really that autistic that you can't roughly gauge the power of a weapon through described effects and comparing it with effects of other weapons of the same size?
>are you really that autistic that you can't roughly gauge the power of a weapon through described effects and comparing it with effects of other weapons of the same size?
What is the equivalent HE shell to a 120mm APFSDS round?
>What is the equivalent HE shell to a 120mm APFSDS round?
for penetrative ammo leman russ Mk12 G4 for HE Mk4 G4 but probably slightly more powerful than modern counterparts. tanks don't get a lot of performance scenes in the books.
Want to read my question again and try to answer it? I wasn't asking about the fricking Leman Russ tank you moron.
you asked about the analogue to 120mm apfsds. there's not a lot of data in the books pertaining to the performance of battle canons so you can't make an intelligent guess to their performance. you CAN however with small arms like the lasgun.
>you asked about the analogue to 120mm apfsds
Not in 40k you illiterate moron, thanks for making my point.
HE and apfsds are meant for different use cases though. with small arms like a lasgun you can give a rough approximation of their performance as general purpose anti infantry weapons. keyword APPROXIMATION. curb your autism
>HE and apfsds are meant for different use cases though.
HMGs and rifles are meant for different use cases though.
What a fricking idiot you are. As if the "use case" of the weapon changes the physics of it.
You've illustrated two things
-My main point, by refusing to try to equate an HE shell and a APFSDS
-My secondary point, by showing us all you cant fricking read.
>you can give a rough approximation of their performance as general purpose anti infantry weapons.
Not so long as soldiers wear armor, take cover, fight at different ranges etc.
>As if the "use case" of the weapon changes the physics of it.
what the frick? it definitely does.
>My main point, by refusing to try to equate an HE shell and a APFSDS
you can't directly equate their damage profiles. that's why i said that the damage of lasguns is just approximately at least .50 or whatever other high caliber round you want to use it's not "exact"
>Not so long as soldiers wear armor, take cover, fight at different ranges etc.
again I said none of those factors were considered when the damage comparison was made just a dude standing wearing bog standard clothing. must be hard being autistic
>what the frick? it definitely does.
>a spear reacts differently if I hit someone with it if I name it differently
Actual smoothbrain.
>you can't directly equate their damage profiles.
>Durrrr just get HE shell that punches through the same amount of metal, thats the same!!!
>that's why i said that the damage of lasguns is just approximately at least .50 or whatever other high caliber round you want to use it's not "exact"
You equate lasguns to .50BMG for doing what a weapon with 1/10th the impact energy can do because you're obsessed with trying to force Lasguns to be equated to 50BMG.
>again I said none of those factors were considered when the damage comparison was made just a dude standing wearing bog standard clothing.
Thus it's a completely useless comparison and you shouldn't use it.
>a spear reacts differently if I name it differently
>this bullet with an explosive component meant to blast things apart will react completely similarly to this one designed specifically for penetrative purposes.
fricking hell. who's the smoothbrain here.
>You equate lasguns to .50BMG for doing what a weapon with 1/10th the impact energy can do because you're obsessed with trying to force Lasguns to be equated to 50BMG.
I'm equating it to .50bmg because that's the closest thing we have to what a lasgun does in the books. I'm not forcing shit. if a lasgun hits similarly to a fricking 9mm then I'll compare it to 9mm.
>Thus it's a completely useless comparison and you shouldn't use it.
I use it because there are tons of examples of how a lasgun hits in the books (unarmored cultists). I'm not saying it's exactly the same I'm saying the amount of damage inflicted is comparable. why can't you think in hypotheticals?
>fricking hell. who's the smoothbrain here.
You're the one who said the role you put a weapon into changes what it does in physical terms moron.
>I'm equating it to .50bmg because that's the closest thing we have to what a lasgun does in the books.
Wrong, you've chosen BMG out of a hat and you'll warp anything you have to to get there. Out of any number of weapons that could replicate "what the lasgun does" (and thats in no way consistent by the way, fricker) you've picked the one you like best.
>if a lasgun hits similarly to a fricking 9mm then I'll compare it to 9mm.
"If it hits similarly", you dont have to tell us you've never touched a gun before, we already know.
What you're doing is looking at a wound that could be caused by a shotgun, any of dozens of rifle calibers, and potentially 50 BMG, and you've just picked the big one because it sounds cool.
>I'm not saying it's exactly the same I'm saying the amount of damage inflicted is comparable
moron, it's "comparable" to a thousand things of different levels of energy and momentum by your moronic definition of comparable.
That is the most dogshit moronic picture I have ever seen and you posting it invalidates everything you might have said as the brainless gibbering of a frickwit. Not even going to read your post. I know it's nothing of value just from that pic.
A 20 gauge shotgun can take off your arm with the right load at the right range. I guess 20ga birdshot is as strong as 50BMG.
that would mean either that marines can die to 20ga birdshot or the lasguns hit harder than 50bmg. take your pick
Or we could just not use your moronic system to compare weapons.
>comparing damage profiles of small arms is dumb
>dude just believe me wh40k is totally overpowered nothing we have today is even remotely comparable. a single marine will kill EVERYTHING
frick off autist.
>comparing damage profiles of small arms is dumb
Trying to equate weapons based on this metric is, in fact, moronic.
>dude just believe me wh40k is totally overpowered nothing we have today is even remotely comparable. a single marine will kill EVERYTHING
Wrong, by your asinine logic, a load of birdshot at the muzzle is as strong as a 50BMG or more, so we should have no problem killing marines as long as we just give everyone birding guns.
>Trying to equate weapons based on this metric is, in fact, moronic.
>this lasgun can tear off limbs.
>what modern round/weapon of the same size can reliably mimic those effects?
>dudes discuss it and come up with a conclusion
wow so hard
>Wrong, by your asinine logic, a load of birdshot at the muzzle is as strong as a 50BMG or more, so we should have no problem killing marines as long as we just give everyone birding guns.
my point is what is more believable. a hotload shotgun being all you need to take down a marine or at the very least you need to be hitting him with .50? YOUR comparison is moronic.
>what modern round/weapon of the same size can reliably mimic those effects?
A shotgun full of birdshot.
>my point is what is more believable. a hotload shotgun being all you need to take down a marine or at the very least you need to be hitting him with .50? YOUR comparison is moronic.
I don't give a shit what it takes to bring down a space marine, the only thing that matters is that your comparison is moronic, Black person.
>I don't give a shit what it takes to bring down a space marine, the only thing that matters is that your comparison is moronic, Black person.
lol so birshot is all you need to take down marines. makes sense since they've died to sticks and arrows.
If you roll enough Righteous Fury, anything is possible. The 40k RPGs are wacky like that.
I literally do not care what insane conclusions your own standards force you to choose between, because your standards of evidence are shit.
*I* dont have to equate a Lasgun blast to a bullet of any kind, so I'm not the one stuck in a situation where my arguments suggest birdshot and 50 BMG are similar in power, YOU are.
Lasguns hit harder than a 50 I'm pretty sure
Nope. Lasguns are S3 while a .50 cal machine gun would count as a Heavy Stubber in 40k rules, which is S4.
That's fair, I guess the fluff and the game rules don't always line up perfectly
implying having an ar15 makes you any more qualified in quantifying the power levels of a fictional universe. it's easy enough to make an assumption or performance of 40k tech from written books. it really all depends on who the author is.
Literally does not fricking matter you dork. There is ZERO evidence rines are impervious to fricking atom bombs lmao. Their weapons are analogous to modern ones in many ways, a fricking krakk missile which can easily kill a Space Marine isn’t even in the same galaxy as an atom bomb. A Marine could probably tank a 50 cal but if he’s hit by a goddamn Tomahawk directly he is dead as shit
An Ogryn killed a charging chaos terminator with a single punch to the head
If fricking shrek can kill one in fisticuffs, I'm optimistic for explosive ordnances chances.
it's funny because 40k wanking is almost exclusive to space marines. no other faction gets wanked harder by their fanboys than the marines
>Like our hydrogen bombs would be completely ineffective vs power armor
lol
lmao
>completely ineffective vs power armor
a fricking grey knight died to mounted horseback knights. chaos marines got fricking killed by thousands of hobos armed with skulls during the siege of terra. stop drinking the marine kool aid.
Was that horseback knight an Attila roughrider? Because those lances they use have exploding tips.
no a they were on some feudal world forgot the book I'll try to find it. it was a lucky strike to the joint. really most of the marine deaths to primitive weapons or lesser opponents were due to either going through the joints or the lenses on their helmets.
I hate people who do not understand how Imperial worlds are structured much less hive worlds.
You can take an entire hive world with a comparably small force because the logistics are bottlenecked through, at most, a half dozen hives but typically one singular hive controlled by a planetary governor. All off-world travel and shipping of the scale needed to support even one hive city requires a spaceport that is by design meant to be controlled by a much smaller number of people. Water, food, medicine, etc. have to be brought in to maintain a planetary population that can reach into the trillions. Control that and all the numbers in the world won't matter when thirst or lack of breathable air kills them off before they can mount a resistance.
These systems are heavily protected and hard to take by conventional forces due to aforementioned numbers but elite forces design specifically to punch deep into fortified areas (Space Marines) can take and control such systems quickly.
moron they are heavily armoured humans, guess what, we have much heavier armor irl on armoured vehicles and the means for infantry to penetrate said armor: which would be used on the marines
>No, a space marine Company which a 100 unit would be the most of, is capslblr of taking almost any world intact, a world with superior technology, unity and population to ours.
Space marines don't do well in a stand up fight. Contrary to the artwork, they very rarely stay still. They're more like First Recon that run at 60mph than infantry.
Space marines don't attack worlds by taking out the leadership, they attack the infrastructure. A company's squads will operate independently, seizing manufactories, transport routes, depots etc, all the supply chain that enables a sophisticated military force to function, and they're mobile and tough enough to destroy guerrillas when the enemy fall back to that.
They starve the leadership of resources rather than fighting them head on.
So marines can easily take DC, but it'll achieve frick all than killing geriatric civil leaders. That's the Temple Assassin's job. The US military can operate independently of the civil government, so the marines will have failed.
The purpose of space marines in 40k is to attack so fast and hard that the enemy has already lost the ability to fight back before they realise they're under attack.
Eventually but the cost would be horrendous. Book space marines are vulnerable to our more advanced weapons — if you can hit them. Bringing them to bear against a target that’s the size of a tall human constantly moving at ~80 mph every minute of the day and possessing the brain of a military genius unparalleled in the world would be a nightmare. In an urban environment, mechanized infantry would be obliterated and targeting the marines without them would be very difficult. Our doctrines are not designed around dealing with superhuman tanks. We’d probably devolve into sending waves of suicidal spotter teams at them and then drowning their positions in ordinance and praying none of them slip through because they’d be the next state over in 2 hours and no one would know it until they wanted you to.
They take it. Without IG waves or orbital bombardment support they can't really do much more, but they sure take it. They'll hold their ground for a bit, but not indefinitely. I'd say a month of all-out warfare before they succumb to various anti-tank weaponry. Probaly longer in actual time, because it'll take US Army some time to conclude that raining missiles on DC is the way to go.
>They'll hold their ground for a bit
Not how most post-Heresy chapters work. Sure, if it's a bunch of Imperial Fists successors or the like. But imagine what a hudnred of pic relevant running around would result in.
Why are they all so close together? Separation is key brothers
>Would the US be able to take it back?
100 Marines is an entire company of Astartes. If they have what a company is afforded then no, never
If not, then yes the US could take DC back but you'd be dealing with squads and individual Marines operating as unconventional hostile elements across the country as they mastered that shit when they were teenagers
with a ton of casualties but they'll eventually be worn down as with what usually happens in the books when marines are faced with mooks.
If they get supplies and the like, not a chance, 100 it's an entire company. They have captured entire industrial worlds with less. The problem is supplies and what kind of support they have.
A 120mm APFSDS penetrator from a L44 gun is the equivalent of a 50 ton diesel lock hitting you at 70 km/h energy wise.
That energy is concentrated to an area 27mm. in diameter.
I don't care about their ceramite/plasteel/adamantium armor. The energy involved is so big, the sheer concussive force would melt all their organs.
One statement in a book made the mistake of giving a real number in energy for the output of imperial battleship weapons, which made them approximately as strong as the force generated by a man pissing.
The best part was that as I recall they "corrected" the mistake only so far as that they were actually about as strong as WW2 naval guns.
Going by table top rules and power conversion a 120mm apfsds dart is between Str 3-4.
Humans aren't just plain "Humans" in the future as humanity was genetically altered a very very long time ago making the average Human in 40k significantly stronger than humans today.
7-8 foot tall super soldier with insane reflexes and reaction time, they view "Normal humanity" the same way people view slow motion scenes, They weight a lot and can move super fast to the point where normal people can't even perceive them correctly.
Average marine can run around 85 km/h and can do shorter bursts faster than that, the "Fastest" they can run is 300-700 km/h that depends on chapter and the individual.
Usain Bolt sprinted 37.6kph
If a SM is 35% taller and runs at more than twice the speed I can view this as plausible.
The 300-700kph is just goofy.
>The 300-700kph is just goofy.
This is your first step in your journey of realising how cringe W40K truly is.
I never will get into 40k, but I don't mind the 80s heavy metal ridiculous shit where nuclear power plants are fueled by one-way peasant walkers. That's just flavor.
I don't even mind a 115kph SM who is being assisted by his suit to flick toes just fast enough on big bounding strides. But what I don't need is star wars number homosexualry of "my fake numbers are bigger than your fake numbers so my dad could beat up your dad." That isn't interesting, that isn't flavor.
If you need to go 700kph wear a jetpack.
>make up shit
>claim it's cringe
I mean I know where it's coming from, which is tabletop RPG rules where you can build a Space Marine to be that fast but then again same happens in D&D with shit like Tabaxi monks doing like 45000km/h. Turn-based to real time conversion is weird and it's clearly not meant to be taken at face value.
40k is fine, really. There's a whole lot of it and there's plenty of utterly moronic dick measuring to be found in it but also plenty of pretty cool concepts and even a couple of actually good books. The biggest takeaway from 40k you can get is to stop worrying about the parts you don't like - your headcanon is yours and all it does is merely provide a backdrop for Your Dudes, no matter whether you play tabletop, pen and paper, video games or simply are nerding out over lore.
*Passes a stick between 50 peasants and throws it clean through the belt of a battleship*
Still does 1d6 damage regardless of how long your peasant railgun is. If you want to actually exploit the system, it's with undead supercomputing.
If you were really Deep Rot you'd know that the true path to knowledge was drowning yourself in a bucket of water and experiencing infinite pain in an infinitely short amount of time.
I think that dude is power wanking. I've never heard 300-700 kph for marines. marines have died to people with sticks and cavemen with arrows. they're NOT as broken barring a few fringe examples as marine fanboys make them out to be
>300-700kph
You’d catch fire from the chaffing dude. And since when were the baseline humans enhanced.
>And since when were the baseline humans enhanced.
pretty much since for ever, during the Dark age of Technology is when the first "mutants" appeared because of how many people were gene edited for specific roles.
When the Dark age of technology ended in the 25th Millinium is when the Abhumans appeared because the humans who were gene edited .
That shit about gene modification is pure headcanon and in fact the Imperium has gone to great lengths up to and including genocide to ensure the human genome remains relatively uniform and true to its natural origins with the exception of a few approved genehancement regimes and approved abhuman strains
>Going by table top rules and power conversion a 120mm apfsds dart is between Str 3-4.
>Humans aren't just plain "Humans" in the future as humanity was genetically altered a very very long time ago making the average Human in 40k significantly stronger than humans today.
Autoguns and stubbers with stats inferior to modern weapons are used in 40k. Heavy stubbers have even killed space marines.
Even plain old bayonets can overwhelm generic space marine armor saves if you have enough dudes.
>Humans aren't just plain "Humans" in the future as humanity was genetically altered a very very long time ago
Are you referring to the Men of Gold and Men of Stone thing?
I'll be honest, that stuff if way too obscure to give concrete answers on. The only time given for when the Men of Gold appear is the Age of Terra, which is the beginning to human history to the 15th millennium or so. Men of Stone appear as of the 21st millennium, which is the Dark Age of Technology.
Now, consider that during this age, humanity had become increasingly dependent on technology, to the point that it was nearly religious in nature. The Men of Iron refers to AI created by these Men of Stone, specifically to "be their eyes and ears". The Men of Stone are also said to exist in a state of "half-life" so they were unaffected by warp daemons (which shouldn't have even been a problem before the Eldar murder-fricked Slaanesh into being, the other 3 Chaos gods were fairly dormant until it spurred them to be more active in realspace and the warp, which is why the warp is a technicolor hellscape as of M41). It's possible that these Men of Gold and Stone are also allegories for some kind of technology. The Men of Stone probably are at least.
I don't think any of this shit has come up since the 3rd Edition either, so it may just have been something to add mystery to the setting, which is why the 2nd and 11th Legions were missing and classified as well, and the whole Rangdan Xenocide thing. They're essentially Noodle Incidents, where they are intentionally left unexplained. At this point any answer we get from GW will probably be a bad one, as nothing they can say will ever top what your imagination comes up with.
Men of Stone are probably something similar to a Votann, if you've read the Nu-Squats lore.
>and the whole Rangdan Xenocide thing. They're essentially Noodle Incidents, where they are intentionally left unexplained
let me intrduce you to HH black book 9:crusade
>Aka Lets wank the DA to obscene levels because we have no idea what to do with them
Rangdan are now canonically a race of Renamon that can effortlessly kill a normal marine and kept slaves, they also were allied with Krave because reasons.
>Going by table top rules and power conversion a 120mm apfsds dart is between Str 3-4
We got a live here folks! An actual 40k fanboy high on power levels. Actually I'm in doubt whether this is a false flag, even the most rabid 40k fanboy can't be this stupid, right?
>the "Fastest" they can run is 300-700 km/h
source on this.
>insane reflexes and reaction time, they view "Normal humanity" the same way people view slow motion scenes, They weight a lot and can move super fast to the point where normal people can't even perceive them correctly.
b***h if that were true cain would have died instantly when he was dueled TWO fricking khorne berserkers. granted he didn't kill them but he DID at least survive long enough for them to get gibbed by jurgen
No it is not Str 4 you dumb fricking monkey. A Leman Russ battle cannon, canonically 120mm, is Str 8. Vanquishers, which are more analogous to real world tanks, is now Str 12 and ignores invulns. Go back to the dnd thread your simpleton fanboy ass crawled out of.
Also no (You) for what could easily be shitty bait.
>, the "Fastest" they can run is 300-700 km/h that depends on chapter and the individual
bullshit
i know GW lore these days is cringe but i refuse to believe even they are this moronic. source?
book marines die to moronic shit all the time
why not send in named people like jocko or even jordan peterson they might win
Like in the actual canon?
That many space marines could conquer earth in a matter of weeks, and they've done it before.
We would be bowing the the Golden Throne or we would be purged.
The magical logistics of how 100 light infantry (albeit with borderline magical technological in certain aspects) could feasibly a conquer a earth size planet was alway the single most unrealistic thing in 40K to me
Like literally everything else I can swallow with “it makes sense in the context of the setting” but that is the one thing that it doesn’t work on.
>Light infantry
They're minimecha.
>100 to take a planet
It works if the plant only has one small city of relevance. They could take the Capitol and probably could hold it for a few days.
well remember how the 100 marines got there, a 10km long spaceship that will ctrl+alt+delete anything that doesn't have a void shield or strong orbital defenses. Which is what the marines are for.
if you are going by lore, the space marines could just endlessly teleport anywhere they want and kill everyone. they get a threat of a nuke or heavy armo and tey just teleport out/in a better position
They're not conquering masses of organized armies. They're doing decapitation strikes on the nobles. The commoners simply fall in line for the man with the biggest pauldrons like Russia today.
Krak grenades kill marines. They're resistant to a .50cal M2, which makes them terrifying in CQB, but at long range or against heavy weapons they're still grunts.
It's not that they are taking out entire armies. They can if need be but these guys, depending on the chapter go straight for heads of political and military leaders. With centuries of warfare under their belt as well, they are the most experienced tacticians on the planet. Also since we aren't chaos corrupted abominations, they would also likely gain a following. I imagine chapters like the Ultramarines would be great at simply turning people to their side and with ten marines, each could be a general of his own army.
The books and games always write in shit tons of plot armor to keep the narrative going. Normal weapons are always nerfed to keep the game from being nothing but a shooting contest.
>logistics
they can punch a human to death with ease
literally 1 single normal punch turns a human to paste.
also their baseline running speed is over 70 kmh
their armour is immune to anything other than large missiles and shit like railguns or direct hits from large artillery shells
you could lay into them all day with 50cal and not really damage them.
you cant smoke them out or damage them with chemical weapons.
they also have a fusion reactor on their back so powering the armour is pretty much a non issue.
also if they brought all las weapons they essentially have infinite ammo so no need to have logistics supply you with more.
and obviously they dont need to eat or drink or piss or shit or sleep.
Space marines in full armor have been killed by humans beating them with skulls and stones. Also by single punches from Ogryn. And by heavy stubbers with stats inferior to WW2 machine guns. And by knights on horseback. And by a fricking stick. Cain was able to duel two chaos space marines in melee for more than a couple of seconds without dying.
k? the game boltgun is canon where 1 space marine kills thousands of demons and takes down an entire demonic uprising on a planet single handed.
for every 1 story of a space marine killed in a stupid way by weak enemies there are 100 about a tiny amount of space marines killing thousands or millions with ease.
>for every 1 story of a space marine killed in a stupid way by weak enemies there are 100 about a tiny amount of space marines killing thousands or millions with ease.
The opposite is literally true, actually. For every space marine that kills a million there are a hundred that have their heads caved in by something moronic.
More marines die like morons that wouldn't survive WW1 in this scene alone than you can find examples of protagonist bullshit.
>boltgun is canon
Questionable, since it's a sequel to the also-questionably-canon Space Marine 1, which contradicts official fluff by putting Captain Titus in Second Company colors despite the position already being occupied by local peawiener Cato Sicarius.
If contradiction renders something non cannon nothing is cannon outside of like the first two books ever printed.
>Questionable
no, it is canon
space marine and space marine 2 are also canon.
What’s the official explanation for the Ultrasmurfs having two dudes running around as Second Company Captain?
the explanation is everything is canon.
and any contradiction is blamed on record keeping on a galactic scale over 20 thousand years.
also the fact that because of how human ships travel it can take zero time to arrive at a destination or 2 thousand years that feel like 2 days or arrive before you left.
and it could be recorded from 1 person that x company is in need of a new company captain as a mistake and then have a second message sent to correct the error that gets lost on the way so a second captain gets sent and arrives before the first message was ever sent. and then this has to be relayed to everyone that needs to know which again there is no certainty that anyone who needs to know these things will ever get the messages on time or even at all.
I actually looked this up because I was wondering myself. Personally I'd figured Space Marine 1 was silently a story of how Cato Sicarius became Second Company Captain, or more accurately what happened to his predecessor to free up that slot.
Instead, the real answer is a lot more boring. According to the game's own developers (who I think are the only ones who answered when asked), it's a separately canon parallel universe wherein the sole change is Titus being Second Company Captain over Cato. Despite that, the sequel is demoting him to a Lieutenant on his return to the Ultrasmurfs, and IIRC will now feature Cato in command of the Second Company, even though in canon Cato himself was replaced in that role by Sevastus Acheran after the former got lost in Warp transit for a week or something.
The other seeming lore issue of the game is also the vengeance launcher, but it's also said to be an experimental weapon not authorized for off-world use, so it's entirely specific to Graia. So, maybe it could be canon? At the least, it's such a small and contained thing that there aren't just Imperial forces using it across the galaxy.
>Like in the actual canon?
>That many space marines could conquer earth in a matter of weeks
No.
if the space marines exsist won't that mean chaos exsist. Won't that mean some humans migt end up being psykers and kill the marines?
Depending on the lore you're using psykers have been around since before we had recorded history. They were just exceedingly rare.
>Like in the actual canon?
>That many space marines could conquer earth in a matter of weeks, and they've done it before.
>We would be bowing the the Golden Throne or we would be purged.
Have you read any warhammer lore or the books? Space marines die like flies.
Mankind enters a millennia of prosperity and peace
Discounting the zoomewr primaris horsheshit, I think it was the third edition marine codex that showed how marines can take over an entire planet with less than a 100 of them. The battle barge rolls in an obliterates anti air, terminators are teleported into high value targets to disrupt command and control and marines drop pod in supported by tanks into key locations to further neutralize enemy infostructure..
then when the planet is a leaderless wreck the guard roll in to occupy. Their are nastier things in the arsenal though then marines. Drop an evesor assassin
or a callidus.
>guys, why is Biden making smart decisions all of a sudden?
Deploying a temple assassin requires an unanimous decision by the high lord of terra though, and if they're aware they're invading prehistoric (for them) holy terra of another dimension I'm sure they would rather employ silk gloves than the officio assassinorum.
Everything in 40k is deceptively shit, so assuming this extends to ceramite; cops can probably handle it with ARs.
This, the humans aren't even real people but the remnant genetically inferior servant class and tanks go speeds that would be subpar during late WW2.
>tanks go speeds that would be subpar during late WW2.
Meanwhile, outside the head canon of frothing fanboys...
Let me guess,in the grim darkness of the far future, 1 space-kph is actually worth 100 real kph, right?
Oops, I misread you post, please disregard, I suck wieners.
I'm pretty sure I'm the one who argued about this with you in a previous thread so I'll just make this clear.
40K is full of completely contradictory information, lore and 'stats'. I will choose the effectiveness' showed by the instances that best represent my interpretation of the world and it's overarching balances of power, reasons for existing and so on, So that the 'stats' extrapolated, fit best with everything and cause the least amount problems internally to the logic of 40K as a universe and a setting.
I will never choose a level of effectiveness that makes the dawn of war opening non canon, where half a company of space marines charge slowly up a hill without any cover only to be cut down by modern HMGs.
>modern HMGs
Ork HMGs, basically a psychic weapon since orks can will anything into existence with enough belief. And even if they were standard ones, we have no idea about the metallurgy or chemistry of the rounds. That's the main point about being so far into the future and with so many apocalyptic cycles.
Those machine guns are made by a species with the capability to kick one pile of trash into another pile of trash, and get a working teleportation device as the result. Also those same green morons are hip firing those guns because they're nearly as wide as they are tall and all that mass is muscle.
So what you think heavy stubbers just become 1000 times as powerful when in the hands of an Ork? Funny this never plays out on camera. Ork "wacky waagh magic" makes things that shouldn't work barely work, it doesn't turn every shoota into a fricking seige mortar.
40k fanboys are moronic. MEHREEN faboys doubly so.
Film at 11.
>you think heavy stubbers just become 1000 times as powerful when in the hands of an Ork
No they have to paint them yellow first.
I've been playing Warhammer games and reading Warhammer books since before you were born this isn't how it fricking works.
Dude if 100 armed men showed up there'd be a fricking bloodbath. I don't think you understand how tiny of a percentage of the population could cause serious problems for the ZOG. Look what a tiny percentage protects it.
Problem is psychology
100 super-human, 10 foot tall 400IQ soldiers with technology never seen before teleport/deploy to your capital. They're as heavy as your car, and can outrun it. They might not have enough ammo, but they can throw an APC your way.
The entire world through the scope of modern media is now looking at something bordering on an alien invasion scenario. The US would be sending everything it has, pussie commietatus be fricked.
Even if every space marine had a 1000:1 kill ratio, it wouldn't be enough.
On the flip side we're human so they'd be okay with letting us do our thing as we paid taxes, converted to Imperial faith, executed all heretics and sent some of US military to space to fight aliens on some far away world each decade, the logistical issues with Earth 2023 AD and Terra 42023AD being technically the same place notwithstanding.
In some ways it'd be a technological improvement even, as for all the toaster worship Mechanicus can do a lot of stuff we can't even dream of.
>converted to Imperial faith
Space marines don't even follow that shit themselves.
They do and they don't. They venerate the Emperor, but not as a God, as the peak of human potential.
I'm talking about a scenario where 100 armed normal men with some training and moderate doorbusting equipment could do to the Capitol. 100 people, it would be the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor and hit home harder than 9/11, probably taking most if not all of the building's occupants before a clean up force could arrive, and even then it's going to be a long and bloody siege.
You're talking massive supermen wearing tank armor with guns that shoot artillery rounds? Yeah they can take it. They'd get that pseudo-fortress White House too. I wonder if a 100 man team could take the white house now...
>shoot artillery rounds
they shoot grenade rounds at best
Nothing because space marines aren't real, they're fantasy cape shit
we put them on trial a year later
They will eventually get killed by autocannons when the military show up. Bradleys with their 25mm DU sabot rounds will wear them down and they can fire rapidly enough to hit human sized targets. If they take cover 2000lb laser guided bombs will hit them.
Do they even have MANPADs?
Just use copters and drones?
>Bolter noise
Sky's clear now
The problem with 40k "lore" is that it has even more blatant plot armor than Disney Star Wars, because actions of individuals are inconsequential.
They can probably slam anything in and get away with it.
100 is extreme overkill for a capitla that isnt even 50 miles. 10 space marines could probably do it with maybe one wounded
Literally just depends on who is the writter. For some, a squad of 5-10 is enough to take and restore order of Imperial worlds, let alone a low-tech world. In others, that number gets multiplied by tenfold, if not more. OPs scenario would only happen with Spess Marines being a bit pussy, which realistically would end with them getting killed with overwhelming military arsenal iof the world combined after they basically destroying most of East Coast.
Impossible to answer since space marine power levels are wildly inconsistent across editions, unit types, and writers. 100 generic tactical marines with only bolters and no plot importance? Turned to paste once the artillery, tanks, and air support come in. 97 Firedrake Terminators with a Praetor, Librarian, and Primus Medicae? The marines take the capital but the USA's ensuing rage generates a new Warp deity dedicated solely to punching Salamanders players in the balls.
>you are now aware that someone at games workshop finally realized aspect warrior monobuilds were more efficient than tactical marines
>so they gave us primaris
The Horus Heresy spin-off game already did that before the Primaris era.
>100 space marines drop into the middle of DC with the goal of taking the capital.
>What happens?
hehe, guess we're an imperium now bros
>100 space marines drop into the middle of DC with the goal of taking the capital.
What happens?
They lose eventully but only because they have limited ammo and it would destroy the capital and the US military in the fighting
Because as a scenario this isn't how a space marine drop would happen, they would land squads at every major capital and massacre their leaders on live television, then they would subject the military bases to orbital bombardment until the largest land masses are craters. Then they thunderhawk in en-mass to eliminate strongpoint and survivors, then the imperial guard lands to occupy the major population centers, if the marines are feeling nice they stick around to kill major insurgency leaders before leaving.
>100 space marines
That's an entire fricking company, they send that many to take entire planets. There's only 1000 per chapter in most cases, moron.
What kind of Space Marines anon?
Book Marines, one Marine stamps his foot and destroys the entire American continent. Tournament autists pay hundreds of pounds for the figure, until it is squatted by the next release.
Game Marines, they fight for 4-6 turns and then stop fighting so they can add up 'victory points'.
Real World, passers-by wonder why someone has been scattering childish toy soldiers in the gutter. GW then gets issued with multiple lawsuits from Americans claiming they tripping over them, stubbed toes on them or were offended over there not being appropiate racial and sexual representation in the figures. A riot ensures in which three schools are shot up and two districts burnt down and then looted by rioters. Then a tornado hits and the two political parties accusing each other for allying themselves with British GW, which is now declared a terrorist organisation. GW stocks fall a few points for a week, but bounce back with the next model release.
Someone actually thought this post would be "witty"
Accurate though.
Using my traditionally forged katana folded 9001 times, I cleave straight through their armor. They won't stand a chance, heh.
Well I think even the current US military might be able to deal with 100 little plastic men anon, but then again they frick everything else up
What happens highly depends on what chapter is there. Or god forbid, legion. Chaos Space Marines are technically still marines after all. Mostly.
Just to go over some notable options off the top of my head:
>Imperial Fists
DC is turned into an airtight fortress beyond any ability of the US armed forces to breach.
>World Eaters
DC is painted with blood indiscriminately, no survivors remain in the capital as the berserkers of Khorne spread out and begin butchering everyone and anyone else they can find. None of them have ranged weaponry and can be picked off individually once the military figures out how to kill one.
>Night Lords
They do worse than the above and make sure everyone sees it, livestreams their actions
>Raven Guard
DC is taken entirely by stealth, no shots fired
>Blood Angels
About like more or less "standard" marines if it's not their Death Company. If it is, running won't save you Horus.
>Black Legion
Launches 13 attacks on DC over a period of years, only succeeds on the last try and says the rest were warming up for the last one.
>Word Bearers
The marines begin to convert the locals and induct them into the worship of Chaos and begin fielding these fanatical cultists as infantry. No politicians are harmed as they'd already converted years ago.
>Alpha Legion
Every single US politician, General, and anyone else in a position of power is revealed to be an Alpha Legionnaire in disguise, capital taken instantly as a result.
Only other notes I have is the Thousand Sons would be too OP due to warp sorcery and the basically unkillable Rubrics. Like even if you puncture their suits (hard to do, because magic b***h) and all their dust pours out, "killing" it, a sorcerer can just put it back in and bring it back up. The downside is that without a sorcerer to command it, it becomes idle, having no free will.
>Every single US politician, General, and anyone else in a position of power is revealed to be an Alpha Legionnaire in disguise, capital taken instantly as a result.
>biden is revealed to be alpharius
>the entirety of US politics has been a psyop since 1945, but NOT 9/11
>hydra dominatus
>this is lie
>Emperor's Children
They bring the degeneracy out into the open and a lot of the local populace join, or try to before being rendered down into drugs
>Iron Warriors
Level the entire area, fortify the shit out of it, and enslave the locals
>White Scars
Burn it to the ground after some dumbass disrespects the Khan, then they dip for the Midwest
>Space Wolves
Lot of dead politicians and a lot of drinking, but overall okay.
>Iron Hands
Absolutely dickish levels grinding down the locals for resources and the place gets shut down with tech-bullshit
>Ultramarines
We get actual competent governance
>Death Guard
Return to swamp and the place gets filled with actual demons and disease
>Thousand Sons
Mind control and ruling/plotting from the shadows so no noticeable difference until a Congressmen explodes into a Chaos Spawn
>Salamanders
Place gets burned down but then the leadership becomes more compassionate
Unironically where do they store their ammo? Do Space marines literally attack with one magazine?
Do you not see the power lines that run between the reactor on their back and the gun since a melta is just an oversized microwave? For things with conventional ammo, they just magnet it to their leg plates.
>Unironically where do they store their ammo
Depending on the miniature in question:
>Pouches included in the sprues (which nobody bothers to glue to their models)
>Backpack power supply with cables connected to gun
>Back-mounted missile rack with robotic loader arm
>Backpack full of solid ammo with belt feed
>Single mag connects to the infinite ammo dimension
Plus, most matches only last for a single-digit number of turns. I don't think the average 40k match even has enough shooting phases to burn through a single bolt pistol magazine.
They have storage pocket dimensions hidden inside their rectums for emergencies like dr who, harry potter and gandalf
Blacks start rioting
Cute larp. Even if they took a building, israelitemerica is more than a mere place and 500 talking heads. They would get ground down fast by local security forces of various kinds. You can simulate this fight with the miniatures by do a 1 vs 10 fight of Space Marines vs Imperial Guard. You have to put a realism modifier on all the weapons though, plus an encumbrance penalty for any weapons or armor carried. Oh, and armor wears out fast under withering fire from even basic pistols.
100? Would take 1. And assuming our modern anti armor projectiles could pierce the Marines unfathomable 41st millennium armor it would be hard as frick to get a bead on him due to the Space Marines speed and reflexes. And not to mention his tech that scans and gives him information. He sees you before you see him. And the amount of ground he can cover, he would be anywhere. Jumping on top or through buildings. And just running though people. 1 Space Marine would give modern Earth hell. If we could frick him up he would just jump into and go to the bottom of the ocean to regroup and emerge to take out a town time to time. Doesn't need to sleep or eat. Just kill.
Heavy stubbers are considered a serious threat to marines at long range.
Crowds of pilgrims with medieval melee weapons are considered a serious threat at close range.
This is mostly fake news, there would be no problem landing hits on them with cannons and guided missiles, they couldn't outrun artillery either. Marines can be killed and injured by handheld weapons, our crewed and vehicle mounted weapons can kill them as well.
Ofcourse a GAU-8 or somethong pelting the shit out of him could kill him, and thats what it would take. But to do so you would have to near damn level an urban area. A average normal Space Marine can move 45mph. Thats 45mph of darting, jumping,dipping, and covering. This ain't going to be easy. Expect a lot of US civilians to get killed by danger close fire doing it your way.
>US Capital is taking by 1 Space Marine and it would take days, maybe even weeks, and pretty much destroying the entire city trying to kill him.
All it takes is one lucky bullet through their visor.
Most of them can probably just tank a headshot without the visor.
Rifles are more penetrative than wooden spears.
I don't even think this is 100% factually correct.
You want asinine, pedantic legalese?
"Across a large variety of organic and inorganic impact surfaces a thrusting polearm even approaching historical norms in design will exceed the penetration of a modern military issue rifle round in a roughly head sized medium so rarely that the onus is on the party arguing in favor of said interaction to provide even a single example of such an interaction to be considered even somewhat plausible.
No, they can't. It's mentioned several times in the Tanith novel series tan a lasgun can penetrate a Space Marine's visor and blow his brains out.
Tanith lasguns also regularily blow people's limbs off.
So do 5.56 and 7.62 NATO.
Wound width in meat is a poor way to estimate penetration through a resilient material. Compare the wound width of a rifle round and a shotgun slug, then compare the amount of steel they'll punch through.
I'm not tlakign wound width here. I'm talking frickign arms getting blown loose because a laser beam explosively vapourised someone's shoulder through brute force energy transfer.
Even in 40k itself, that's not a sure thing. In the wargame, throw enough dice at any marine and his armor saves will fail eventually, even in the face of autoguns and heavy stubbers. In the RPGs, an unarmored marine can still die instantly to a hilariously lucky autogun shot if the shooter hits Righteous Fury enough times.
Taking all of the Warhammer lore to heart like it's fact is like taking the sayings in the Bible literally. A lot of their lore should be treated as a verse from the bible as a lot of W40k lore is Imperial propaganda.
Plasteel, Cermamite, and other variants of unobtanium wonder materials in the Warhammer universe are still susceptible to physical trauma that our modern weapons can inflict now. The only problem is that we'd have to rely heavily on and equip our infantry with AP .50 caliber weapons and 20mm cannons to make a proper dent in the fat frickers.
Plasteel supposedly has the flexibility and light weight properties of plastic, something like Polyethelyne plastics (Milk jug plastic) we have now with the strength of our best b2 crystaline steels and ceramite a superior equivalent to our modern ceramic armors minus the disintegration.
Fighting a CQC urban battle against 100 of these frickers would be extremely challenging without proper anti-tank armor piercing weapons given to all troops
They probably get Bodied by apaches and artillery but they'd secure DC for a few hours. Hand held weapons in 40k aren't better than handheld weapons now by an appreciable amount and definitely weaker than hellfire missiles.
Depends on the Marines. Night Lords would run this motherfricker in a week and crime would be non existent by the end if the year. All books would eventually be bound in human skin.
100 Thousand Sons with psychic abilities would rule the world WITHIN the week and no nukes or missiles could touch them.
Alpha Legion would have been ruling the planet since before we even knew they were here.
Raven Guard would be impossible to defeat even if they don't practice subterfuge and are straight up combatants.
Death Guard would kill everything.
Iron Warriors would probably get ground down just because they refuse to fight smarter, face tanking everything.
Fists would hold DC and eventually we'd just move the capital because they won't fricking leave and can't be removed.
Ultra Marines would be welcomed as liberators because they'd run shit like a government that doesn't actively hate its population. Peace and prosperity would come like never before.
The Dark Angels have probably brought some world ending tech along and we're all enslaved. If there's a Fallen here we're all dead.
Word Bearers turn the planet into Final Sin from Doom Eternal. We are all demon thralls and human shaped cattle bred for torture, enslavement, and sacrifice.
Emperors Children will probably be the easiest to deal with being so unorganized. They run off and murder rape for decades upon decades as boogey men all over the world until they're eventually killed off. Millions of gaped a anuses and everyone travels in groups.
World Eaters kill millions but are eventually defeated.
Salamanders... I guess it depends on how they're feeling and why they've come here to begin with.
White Scars go on a guerilla campaign that spans the entirety of the Americas hitting targets from the tip of Argentina to Anchorage to the Florida Keys in the same day, bouncing around and straight up avoiding any large force, eating away at all defenses until we surrender.
Iron Han-..... what? What was I.....?
>Iron Warriors would probably get ground down just because they refuse to fight smarter, face tanking everything.
piss marine hands typed this post
>100 Thousand Sons with psychic abilities would rule the world WITHIN the week and no nukes or missiles could touch them
Or they roll poorly on Perils of the Warp and everyone dies because Brother moronhotep exploded into daemons.
>Brother moronhotep
WE WUZ SORCERORS AN SHIT
They'll cause a hell of a lot of damage but sooner or later they're gonna get hit by TOWs from Hummvees, or a 120mm round from an Abrams, or take a 40mm grenade to the face, or get BRRRRted on by miniguns or vulcans, or step on an IED, and then they're history, and that's assuming there's no freaky secret weapon shit like lasers and railguns in Area 51
I mean they're powerful and all, but most of the time they're basically just going up against squishy critters or ragheads with ridiculously underpowered small arms, of course it's easy to go through a million bugs when you can crush them in your bare hands and not have to use any of your bolter ammunition, but they'll still get melted by meltaguns, or crushed under the treads of giant tanks, or blown to bits by sufficiently large explosives
In this entirely fictional warhammer book you are trying to write, they would probably get their ass kicked honestly, by the full force of the US military.
The USA is the most powerful nation in the world. It would have to sell off its weapons to some foreign country in Eastern Europe for dirty money, lose a prolonged counter-insurgency in the Middle East, and be experiencing civil unrest to even consider taking the capital.
Even then, you would have to bleed the beast (the government) in prolonged guerrilla warfare to bring it to its knees. Either for surrender, or total capture. In the Warhammer 40k universe.
Your space marines would be more effective organizing a complex insurgency as leaders with arms, training, and experience. Leading the initial major actions and talking the helm of the armed front. That is practical and realistic for your grimdark 40k wargame scenario.
In this entirely fictional scenario, I’d assume your space marines are not commies. They can work with police officers, soldiers, and veterans, who are also trying to overthrow a tyrannical government. But mostly volunteers, due to the civil unrest. Some form groups just to protect their communities. In the Warhammer 40k universe.
The federal government would have to weaponize their personnel against their own people, and many may not be willing, or will have joined the revolutionaries. In Warhammer 40k.
This is what makes it a complex insurgency, which can be waged and prolonged as long as victory requires. Time is on the side of the insurgents and the people. Thus always to tyrants. In the grimdark future where heresy abounds as described in the Warhammer 40k lore as you know.
>It would have to sell off its weapons to some foreign country in Eastern Europe for dirty money
moron detected. Take your /misc/ bullshit and shove it back up your ass.
Marines die to lasguns (which are space 7.62. they're literally laser FALs) in squad or platoon size ambushes, sniped by hellguns (space Barretts), get blown in half by krak grenades (40mm HEDP) and rocket launchers (carl gustavs), vaporized by Earthshakers (space 155s) and even swarmed and stabbed to death with bayonets.
Their reputation is propaganda. Of course they can massacre troops armed with weapons that can't pen their armor in CQB, but they're basically a M113 level of armor on two legs kept around out of historical inertia for spec ops. Whenever there's a conventional war the Imperial Guard does the fighting.
very weird comparisons here acting as if 100 juiced up special forces would take an entire city and resist for months without resupply or support, even stranger is anons saying "theyll die to a cruise missile" theyll die to a AT4 or literally any heavy calibre weapon, cannon or explosive??
they take all the areas that matter in dc in a rapid strike mission but will quickly be worn down through lack of ammo, even if they cut through swathes of civilians or law enforcements with their bare hands a apache or gustav will sort them out soon enough
Wow these models look gay, I like the old school silly little guys
How old and how silly? Because windmill marines haven't been a thing for longer than you've probably been alive.
the chaos portals within the White House bunker stir and release a stream of demons
WH40K is a shit IP for morons.
I just like painting my grossly overpriced plastic dudes and throwing dice with the boys.
They would kill everything in their path easily and quickly taking the white house. Biden gets taken hostage as aircraft and tanks roll in and its the only thing keeping them from destroying the white house. Then there's a stand off and i dunno 40k lore so i dunno what happens next.
I've though about this exact scenario before, and if they're regular space marines (no psykers) i'd say they can definelty take over the capital with ease, but it also should be possible to kill them. Most of our weapons won't do shit against space marine armor, but considering a Bolter can defeat that armor, it stands to logic that a GAU-8 strafing run would probably work against them. And if push comes to shove, you could nuke them. Regular space marines aren't surviving a nuke blast.
the military eventually tires of avoiding collateral damage. the air force bombs them into dust and leaves several dozen city blocks of buildings reduced to rubble.
>100 space marines drop into the middle of DC with the goal of taking the capital.
>What happens?
A fat donut-chomping guard accidentally steps on all 100 of the fantasy plastic space army men, prompting the manchild who brought them all in on the tour to try and throw a tantrum and make a thread about it.
What would the average cruise missile do to a normal astartes?
Kill the absolute frick out of them.
are they named? if they're a literal who they turn into chunks. if it's a named character they catch the cruise missile and turn it into a baseball bat.
Get a big magnet.
Unless you plan to use the magnet as a bludgeon, it won't do much against plastic, resin, or bullshit space ceramic ("ceramite").
Short of repeatedly nuking the capital and like 500km around it multiple times for a week straight, then sending in like 20% of the US military to search and kill any survivors, they take the capital.
They take over the planet.
I remember reading previously that it would only take 80 space marines to take modern day Earth. So yeah they’d do that.
They simply wouldn't bother, they would just declare dominion over the planet, and then make an example of the first person/group/city to not bend at the knee
I think one tactical nuke would be enough to wipe them out
people both overestimate the tankiness of the space marines and completely ignore the realism
they may tank grenade, but not the bunch of missiles
i think a few himars would be enough to annihilate them all in one strike
people who say they would be able to conquer the world is ridiculously delusional
without logistics and support? you see any spare mags on these frickers? 1 hour of hell then its over
Anyone know if there are any astartes pattern las weapons meant for anti-infantry? The lascannon yeah but anything else?
Don't think so, their anti infantry weapon of choice are bolters and heavy bolters. If you're asking if some manner of auto fire laser weapon exists in the imperium arsenal then the answer is yes, Kasrkin and tempestus scions use them.
Yeah that's about as much as I gathered. Sure the more specialized equipment fit the chapter based astartes well since they're basically hyper SF with the support that would entail (usually)
If a squad or so were expecting to be cut off for a very long time, I guess it wouldn't be the biggest tech heresy imaginable if a techmarine or two jerryrigged one those hose guns into something more suited for a space marine, maybe with just a frickhuge powerbank.
Then again the usual answer of marine to a lack of ammo is melee.
You've got it more or less right, SM are for shock and awe, actually holding ground is the Guard's job.
100 space marines could conquer the planet. 1000 is a chapter.
>Say gay 40ker meme
>Get your butthole reamed out in the replies
>wait a day
>Say gay 40ker meme again
Either they take the capital or it gets completely destroyed, depending on where exactly they're dropping from. If it's thin air, DC is a crater. If it's a starship, they're taking the planet.
they get blown up by excaliburs and tanks and JDAMs, because democracies can continue fighting after their leadership is destroyed. Because democracies have distributed authority and chains of succession, unlike every single fricking enemy the imperium fights, who collapse completely after the dictator is killed.
lmao
>infantry gets blown up by heavy weapons, tanks, and airpower
SHOCKING for a 40k homosexual, i know.
javelins would wreck the frick out of them too and marines have zero defense against ISR drones. the imerium has absolute dogshit sensors and fire control systems. literally modern artillery is superior to the Imperium.
What makes you think they're hanging around for that? You've got maybe half an hour before total decapitation and then what the frick are you going to shoot at?
you think planes arent on call over DC at all times? dumbfrick.
additionally, wiping out the leadership in DC does literally nothing to hurt the USA. nothing. the leaders are simply replaced and life goes on.
Are they ready to nuke DC at all times, incidentally completing all the SM's objectives for them? They're inside the buildings murdering politicians, you dunce.
>Are they ready to nuke DC at all times
yes. everytime a cessna strays into DC airspace they are ready to go in like 5mins.
>They're inside the buildings murdering politicians, you dunce.
oh no! not the politicians! what will we do without them!
this is going to be difficult for you to understand, so ill be slow.
100 men cannot harm the USA.
we can rebuild stuff and grow new humans faster than 100 men can kill them.
the USA can literally just not even fight them, and just treat them like a wildfire or a flood or a hurricane. the daily weather reports would track the movements of the marines and advise people to avoid them. Real life is not your 40k book.
Nobody is authorising a strike on the US government.
They're Space Marines dropping from orbit you fricking moron. The next thing they're dropping on is the Pentagon, then NORAD, wherever, until there aren't any more heads to chop off.
American society can barely withstand a Black person getting arrested and it's defended by the most casualty-averse pussies in the history of warfare.
>dropping from orbit
Thank goodness for the Interceptor special rule.
That applies to reserves, dipshit.
Yes. Does drop pod deployment no longer count as coming from reserve?
you think like a european.
i believe you are a european.
i will say one last thing then im not talking to your european brain which is incapable of understanding the concept of individual initiative.
The planes have guns, and bombs, and missiles.
all of which will kill marines easily.
My spinefist termagaunts regularly kill terminators.
>the concept of individual initiative
So far as I'm aware the only person on this planet able to launch a nuclear strike solo is an RN sub captain. Everyone else needs a code.
Only when both sides are already deployed. Those DPs landing is the first indication that there's even a battle happening, it's pre-deployment.
>top 10 things people say right before americans wake up and bomb them
DC being nuked is the "win condition" of every decent person on the planet.
Space marine infantry die all the time to S4 weapons like heavy stubbers, equivalent to .50 cal machine guns. The US military has plenty of easily accessible things that 40k's rules would consider S4 or higher.
>shoots in the general direction of the capital
>levels it instantly before anyone can react
yeah
The real question is why are they even on the ground in the first place, it's not like there's anything they need alive/intact.
This might come as a surprise to many, but countries continue to function perfectly well without a government. Or even if all the officials were pressured to rule on behalf of the Space Marines, how would their orders actually be enforced? Any cop or soldier enforcing the new rules could just run away from DC, everyone could ignore the puppets, and the 100 space marines could do shit about it. Might as well try to herd 300 million chicken with just 100 men.
>countries continue to function perfectly well without a government
Name one.
All the african nations that have continued to rapidly expand in numbers DESPITE everything their governments have fricked up. Living on this planet isnt hard. Governments are a recent invention.
>african nations
>function perfectly well
Gonna need at least 3 more big nukes for that one.
Well, the real point is that you can destroy or coup a government but it's pretty simple to set up another one or simply keep things going without. The Russian civil war for example; the entire country was in anarchy, yet people went to work and produced all the things you needed to live. Warlords of China would be another example.
> recent
Idk maybe 10,000+ years is recent to a reptoid homie like you but for us humans it's a long time.
Taxes were still paid in goods a few centuries ago. Aside from taxes, levies, and stupid restrictions the rural people at large were perfectly capable without any government. Afghanistan is still so "backward" that some dont pay taxes at all. They've very little use for a central government. If anything, those speaking in favor of governments are the lizards living in cities and eating the food and resources produced by their betters.
did you know that local governments exist?
marines cannot kill every mayor in the country.
NTA but my definition of a modern society or government functioning perfectly well is burning every city with no survivors and shaking off the last 150 years of degeneracy like a bad hangover.
They make their way to the White House and ask for a meeting with the president. I would presume that they would be taken with some graveness, being 8 feet tall and armed with technology beyond our reckoning. They may also attempt to create press interest, so more people see what they have to say.
Their leader calmly explains the extent of the galaxy and its many, many threats (With video/photo evidence, presumably). He then explains that if we are ever invaded, we will be boned unless we join the Imperium. He then shows proof of their incomprehensible might, not only to show the benefits of their aid, but to show us resistance is futile, and we might be invaded by these huge ships if we do not comply (He does not have any spaceships, but we do not know that)
Presumably, the US joins soon thereafter.
If you mean in an actual fight, no, they're fricked. While they can cause a massive amount of initial damage, eventually. Being the bestest shooter in the galaxy does not help when you are being attacked by a drone, helicopter or jet several miles out of range.
>Somebody in a moronic robot EOD suit walks into your office with a 20mm grenade launcher
>He shows you some grainy footage from a video game
>Entire country surrenders to an alien tyranny that consists of the equivalent of 100 IFVs in total because biden said so
hahahahahahahaha
I feel like the existence of one hundred seven and a half foot tall men each of which is stronger and faster than any living human would be an indication that something unusual is going on.
>something unusual is going on
Guess that means it's time to surrender...
J/K. The fact that they have human form warriors still using small arms means that we're not even out of the fight. It's basically the extreme low end of plausible fermi solutions, not even clarketech.
A single casaba howitzer or pumped xray laser would almost certainly cripple their strike cruiser. Humanity is already more advanced in many areas than peak DAot tech. In some cases, including space weapons, we were more advanced by the time 40k was first written but the authors didn't know it.
40k is grim, dark, and stupid.
>A single casaba howitzer or pumped xray laser would almost certainly cripple their strike cruiser.
If Battlefleet Gothic stats are any indication, the strike cruiser actually is pretty beefy thanks to standard sci-fi spaceship shields and armor made of fictional bullshit space material. It's certainly tough enough to tank lots of laser hits. But the point is moot since OP didn't include space support in the original scenario.
40k fans don't like you to bring this up but for every continent blowing up from a single broadside there's a scene of infantry or tank scale weapons being able to cut into imperial ship hulls.
How strong things are in 40k is just "whatever the writer wants to happen right this second"
The inconsistencies in fluff power levels are precisely why I prefer to cite actual game stats. They're more consistent than the novels. A novel boltgun can do anything from blowing off an armored demigod's hand (Betrayer by Aaron Dembski-Bowden) to only moderately injuring a charging space marine (Night Lords novels by the same guy), but tabletop bolters have stayed at Strength 4 for multiple editions. Battlefleet Gothic is so dead that it probably won't receive a new edition, so its ship stats are preserved indefinitely.
Warhammer 40k existed before the Gulf War. Parts of the lore were written before the invention of modern-day technology, and this is reflected in their predictions.
In a way, real life has out science-fictioned the science fiction.
Life is funny like that, isn't it?
>The US surrenders to a man who proves he can hover one foot off the ground because that's something unusual
The scenario doesnt give them a strike cruiser or any support craft, it gives them 100 infantry.
>100
1 is all you need
1 space marine with no weapons could do it 20 minutes.
100 with full invasion loadout could take america in 20 days.
>Say gay 40ker meme
>Get your butthole reamed out in the replies
>wait a day
>Say gay 40ker meme again
Like clockwork
what meme? its literally true, 100 can take a planet that is far more advanced than earth is.
I can write a book where I say 100 Abrams tanks can conquer a Galaxy full of super Saiyans and death stars it doesn't make it a feat or statistic.
great, but no one gives a frick about your fantasy book.
And we don't give a frick about unrealistic claims made in your cartoony noguns novel series when the stats and depictions don't back them up you dumb Black person.
then why does this thread have over 300 posts?
and why is games workshop a billion dollar company
>1 space marine with no weapons
He fails his armor save through sheer weight of probability after DC's police departments drown him in autogun-equivalent shots, then dies because he only has 1 or 2 wounds.
>le tabletop meme.
It's a thread about a tabletop game. What else were you expecting?
>It's a thread about a tabletop game.
you have no proof of that.
>BUT THE PICTURE IS OF THE PLASTIC MODELS!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats because its literally the second image on google when you search "space marines"
as far as im aware op has not specified exactly what part of the franchise he is talking about so the safe bet is the lore because the stats and rules change for space marines constantly and more people are familiar with the lore than the current up to date space marine stats and game rules.
c**t.
>you have no proof of that
40k is a tabletop game franchise. Everything else is secondary to the tabletop games.
>stats and rules change for space marines constantly
Not nearly as much as the fluff. Tabletop bolters have consistently stayed Strength 4, 24" range across multiple editions. Generic marines in tabletop rules have consistently stayed at Strength 4, Toughness 4, Wounds 1-2, Armor Save 3+ across multiple editions. Meanwhile, in non-tabletop land, marine power levels are all over the place. Know No Fear has marines dropping from 1-2 bolter hits, with close-range shots punching straight through them. Meanwhile, ADB's Night Lords series shows Talos and pals getting magdumped at close range by rival Night Lords and suffering only armor damage and mild injuries.
>Everything else is secondary to the tabletop games.
you dont know that.
also more people know about 40k lore than actually play the game.
there are more normies that know of 40k and what a space marine is than total tabletop game players.
and thats just a fact.
c**t.
there is a higher chance op is talking about the lore than talking about the tabletop game.
also if the picture used was concept art for the lore you would not in a million years try to argue that op is seriously talking about the tabletop game.
but because op used image #2 instead of image #6 on google images when searching for "space marines" you are ready to die on the hill that op is talking about the tabletop game.
homosexual moron.
>this loser actually knows the tabletop stats of space marines and knows they havent changed in multiple editions
pathetic b***h.
The franchise began with tabletop war games. The very first thing you see on Games Workshop's website is tabletop shit, with an ad for a newly released box set of space marine and tyranid minis. GW's financial reports show, year after year, that their biggest sellers are tabletop stuff rather than Black Library or licensed material. Yeah, it's a tabletop gaming franchise.
>concept art for the lore
No, I'd still talk about the tabletop game because it's a tabletop franchise and most of the art is done for the wargame or as promotional side material for the wargame. Claiming that 40k is "lore first" is as nonsensical as claiming that Lord of the Rings is "Peter Jackson films first."
They kill everyone in DC but get wiped out by the USAF carpet bombing them.
SM attack infrastructure, not civil leaders.
A company could easily take the entire US by dropping individual squads into major military bases and depots. A terminator squad could probably take Cheyenne Mountain and other DUMBs, provided that either scouts can sneak in or a terminator can put his chainfist through the door.
With the support of a strike cruiser, the marines would immediately have land and sea superiority: an aircraft carrier is worth naff all when it is just clapped by an orbital bombardment. Depending on how many fighters the cruiser has (the combat skills and materiel of the chapter serfs has never been fully explained) they could have aerial superiority as well; I doubt a cruiser's weapons are accurate enough to hit aircraft in flight from orbit. The US military would be immediately isolated and lose its ability for combined arms and mobility.
The strongest elements of the marines are their mobility and durability: even if the US manages to interrupt the marines' attack, they're still tough enough to take a good slugging while they regroup.
Marine attacks are blisteringly fast because they're light on resources: a boltgun magazine has 30 rounds (although it is unknown how many mags a marine carries, canonically they're primarily kept under the pauldrons), and a jump pack has around 15 uses before it's out of fuel. If their attack lasts more than 10 minutes then they'll need to resupply, but they're tough enough that they can tank being shot in the back.
Really I'd say it goes down to the chapter in question. The UM, BA, WS, and RG could easily get it done, the Sallies, IF, and Blood Ravens would struggle, and the IH would probably fail. The chapter would need to be able for squads to operate independently with a lot of initiative and without support.