You could, yes, but I'm asking you why you would make that choice. An inch of cylinder length isn't very significant for a gun of that size, meanwhile the restriction of only being able to fit minis in there is huge.
I want to be able to fire whatever shell I want out of my memegun. There's no reason to cut down the cylinder shorter than a 2.75" shell unless your goal is to make the whole thing really small.
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>There's no reason to cut down the cylinder shorter than a 2.75" shell unless your goal is to make the whole thing really small.
The point is that the gun can only shoot minishells, that's the stipulation OP set. Yeah, shortening the cylinder makes the gun more compact and saves weight. I still wouldn't try to make a j-frame out of it.
2 years ago
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>The point is that the gun can only shoot minishells,
Why not pick a gun for which that stipulation actually gives you some benefit?
2 years ago
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>Why not pick a gun for which that stipulation actually gives you some benefit?
Like... A 12 ga j-frame?
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Minishells have a distinct advantage in a tube mag. They can fit a lot more shots in the same space. They also enable the possibility of feeding from a box magazine located inside a pistol grip. Those are significant advantages which can be used in some firearms designs. But in a revolver the shorter shell yields no benefit other than making the gun as compact as possible (the point originally raised in
If you're not trying to make it super compact then what's the point of sticking with minishells?
)
If you're not trying to make it as compact as possible the only things minishells give you is that 1" shorter cylinder....which doesn't really help at all. >but but but it's lighter!
Light is a very bad thing in a 12ga pistol.
A revolver doesn't make any use of the minishell's short length. You need a grip-mounted box mag or a tube mag for that benefit to really count. And if the benefit doesn't really count why are we cucking ourselves with minishells?
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>You need a grip-mounted box mag
Mmmyes >why are we cucking ourselves with minishells?
Who is "we"?
Speak for yourself, Black person
I have a little rubber ramp insert that makes my 590 feed minishells reliably, I just wish there was more availability and variety for them. they're cute!
2 3/4" she are a legacy design from the blackpowder days.
Modern cellulose gunpowder is so much more compact that 12ga shells are mosrly wadding.
Minishells can have the same amount of energy as larger shells.
>2 3/4" she are a legacy design from the blackpowder days.
No, in the blackpowder days 12ga were 2 inch or 2 1/2".
> that 12ga shells are mosrly wadding.
You say that like it's a bad thing. It's not. Modern wad technology has come a LONG way since even the 1950's. It's easy to ignore that silly plastic thing in the shell but modern wad designs have made massive improvements in power, comfort, and pattern. They do this by having a more effective gas seal, providing cushioning, and controlling the dispersion of the shot. The gas seal alone is responsible for modern shotshells having a few hundred fps velocity advantage over the same dram loads from old school shells. The cushion section of the wad reduces felt recoil but more importantly it avoids the shot pellets smashing into each other and deforming. Round pellets fly farther and straighter than deformed ones due to their superior aerodynamics. The shot cup can be made to either disperse the shot early if you want maximum spread or to hold the shot together as long as possible, like long-range goose loads or Federal's Flite Control buckshot.
The wad is important. Making it smaller is a bad thing. that said, you're entirely correct that minishells are approximately as powerful as standard shells.
I would if it were a semi auto.
Minis are a great idea, they give shotguns a desperately needed capacity upgrade. They've fallen behind in relevance due to lacking capacity when compared to handguns and rifles.
These things give anons in ban states like CA 20+ capacity in a dual-tube bullpup shotgun.
More capacity plus less recoil plus semi auto would be an instant buy for a ton of people, I think.
Not going to lie, if I can get my hands on a 18.5" Mossberg 590S Shockwave, I'd get one for the memes and still have the option to slap a normal stock on it.
I honestly think Mini Shells can have a place as serious ammo.
Great for pest control in a garden or having lower power rounds for home defense in an apartment if worried about over penetration but also get a boost in capacity in case you have to Tripple tap a threat.
>I honestly think Mini Shells can have a place as serious ammo
I mean they may be a bit under powered compared to 2 3/4 shells, but I've never heard anyone say that mini-shells are too weak for HD
For practical use? No. Full size shells pattern better for hunting or clays and for defense a rifle is all around better. Maybe they'd be useful for a defense shotty if you're in some cuckstate where you can't get a rifle.
>Great for pest control in a garden or having lower power rounds
Lolno. Minishells aren't exactly "full power" but they're not weaksauce either. A low-recoil trainer load like Fiocchi Exacta is much weaker than a 12ga birdshot shell.
https://i.imgur.com/QVb9w3E.jpg
The Mag-7 is along those lines.
"It was found that the standard 12-gauge shotgun shell at 70 mm[3] was too long to comfortably hold in the desired pistol grip mount. This led to the development of a shorter round, 60 mm long (2.36 inch as opposed to 2.75)"
I've got one, the AOW pistol configuration. It's a fun range toy but it's totally useless for any practical purpose. Alas mini shells do not run reliably in it. I make my own shells.
No I would not.
The whole reason I love my shotgun is because it is so flexable in what I can use it for and what it can shoot.
Buying a shotgun that only used one uncomon type of shell is pointless to me.
"It was found that the standard 12-gauge shotgun shell at 70 mm[3] was too long to comfortably hold in the desired pistol grip mount. This led to the development of a shorter round, 60 mm long (2.36 inch as opposed to 2.75)"
you say that as a joke, but I'm working on a tube fed revolver that's 10x9+11 for 2 3/4" shells or ~170 mini shells. OAL of 51 inches when finished with 24" barrel.
If the minis were cheap and ubiquitous yes
A revolver maybe?
Mind that cylinder gap.
Lol, with rounds of that diameter and length it would look a lot like picrel
Well I wouldn't be going for a snubby,
If you're not trying to make it super compact then what's the point of sticking with minishells?
You can certainly get the design to be more compact with the mini shells, more like a mini-slug gun than a j-frame with elephantiasis.
You could, yes, but I'm asking you why you would make that choice. An inch of cylinder length isn't very significant for a gun of that size, meanwhile the restriction of only being able to fit minis in there is huge.
I want to be able to fire whatever shell I want out of my memegun. There's no reason to cut down the cylinder shorter than a 2.75" shell unless your goal is to make the whole thing really small.
>There's no reason to cut down the cylinder shorter than a 2.75" shell unless your goal is to make the whole thing really small.
The point is that the gun can only shoot minishells, that's the stipulation OP set. Yeah, shortening the cylinder makes the gun more compact and saves weight. I still wouldn't try to make a j-frame out of it.
>The point is that the gun can only shoot minishells,
Why not pick a gun for which that stipulation actually gives you some benefit?
>Why not pick a gun for which that stipulation actually gives you some benefit?
Like... A 12 ga j-frame?
Minishells have a distinct advantage in a tube mag. They can fit a lot more shots in the same space. They also enable the possibility of feeding from a box magazine located inside a pistol grip. Those are significant advantages which can be used in some firearms designs. But in a revolver the shorter shell yields no benefit other than making the gun as compact as possible (the point originally raised in
)
If you're not trying to make it as compact as possible the only things minishells give you is that 1" shorter cylinder....which doesn't really help at all.
>but but but it's lighter!
Light is a very bad thing in a 12ga pistol.
A revolver doesn't make any use of the minishell's short length. You need a grip-mounted box mag or a tube mag for that benefit to really count. And if the benefit doesn't really count why are we cucking ourselves with minishells?
>You need a grip-mounted box mag
Mmmyes
>why are we cucking ourselves with minishells?
Who is "we"?
Speak for yourself, Black person
I have a little rubber ramp insert that makes my 590 feed minishells reliably, I just wish there was more availability and variety for them. they're cute!
is it true the mini slugs would bounce off wood if you shoot it far enough?
Any projectile will bounce off wood if you shoot it from far enough back, you dunce.
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That like saying if I shot you with a 22 at a 1000meters it would bounce off you
2 3/4" she are a legacy design from the blackpowder days.
Modern cellulose gunpowder is so much more compact that 12ga shells are mosrly wadding.
Minishells can have the same amount of energy as larger shells.
>2 3/4" she are a legacy design from the blackpowder days.
No, in the blackpowder days 12ga were 2 inch or 2 1/2".
> that 12ga shells are mosrly wadding.
You say that like it's a bad thing. It's not. Modern wad technology has come a LONG way since even the 1950's. It's easy to ignore that silly plastic thing in the shell but modern wad designs have made massive improvements in power, comfort, and pattern. They do this by having a more effective gas seal, providing cushioning, and controlling the dispersion of the shot. The gas seal alone is responsible for modern shotshells having a few hundred fps velocity advantage over the same dram loads from old school shells. The cushion section of the wad reduces felt recoil but more importantly it avoids the shot pellets smashing into each other and deforming. Round pellets fly farther and straighter than deformed ones due to their superior aerodynamics. The shot cup can be made to either disperse the shot early if you want maximum spread or to hold the shot together as long as possible, like long-range goose loads or Federal's Flite Control buckshot.
The wad is important. Making it smaller is a bad thing. that said, you're entirely correct that minishells are approximately as powerful as standard shells.
I would if it were a semi auto.
Minis are a great idea, they give shotguns a desperately needed capacity upgrade. They've fallen behind in relevance due to lacking capacity when compared to handguns and rifles.
These things give anons in ban states like CA 20+ capacity in a dual-tube bullpup shotgun.
More capacity plus less recoil plus semi auto would be an instant buy for a ton of people, I think.
Don’t have to, the 590S can take shells from 1 3/4 inch to 3 inch at the same time.
Yes I would
Don't see much point when you can get shotguns that will chamber both minis and magnums without any issues.
imagine a 12ga mini shell subgun/pcc. incredibly silly, incredibly fun
just say you want a 40k bolter
isn't that what everyone here really wants?
oh hell yes
Yes. Because I would identify with it very well.
why not just use a 20 ga?
Capacity and pattern density?
You aren't dreaming hard enough darling
Why not mini 20ga?
i only use shotguns for shooting birds so no
If it was cheap I'd buy.
>would you buy a shotgun that uses mini exclusively?
I put a MiniClip in my M500, and now it won't feed standard shells reliably, so yeah, pretty much.
I expect it'll be fine for fricking up burglars, tho, and that's what's important.
Not going to lie, if I can get my hands on a 18.5" Mossberg 590S Shockwave, I'd get one for the memes and still have the option to slap a normal stock on it.
I honestly think Mini Shells can have a place as serious ammo.
Great for pest control in a garden or having lower power rounds for home defense in an apartment if worried about over penetration but also get a boost in capacity in case you have to Tripple tap a threat.
A minishell slug will go fricking through someone. It'll be almost the exact same size hole.
Well, the mini shells I have are #4 buckshot.
>#4 buckshot
how many pellets?
>I honestly think Mini Shells can have a place as serious ammo
I mean they may be a bit under powered compared to 2 3/4 shells, but I've never heard anyone say that mini-shells are too weak for HD
For funzies or collecting purposes? Yeah.
For practical use? No. Full size shells pattern better for hunting or clays and for defense a rifle is all around better. Maybe they'd be useful for a defense shotty if you're in some cuckstate where you can't get a rifle.
>Great for pest control in a garden or having lower power rounds
Lolno. Minishells aren't exactly "full power" but they're not weaksauce either. A low-recoil trainer load like Fiocchi Exacta is much weaker than a 12ga birdshot shell.
I've got one, the AOW pistol configuration. It's a fun range toy but it's totally useless for any practical purpose. Alas mini shells do not run reliably in it. I make my own shells.
No I would not.
The whole reason I love my shotgun is because it is so flexable in what I can use it for and what it can shoot.
Buying a shotgun that only used one uncomon type of shell is pointless to me.
I get 9 of them in my shocker. I love em!
The Mag-7 is along those lines.
"It was found that the standard 12-gauge shotgun shell at 70 mm[3] was too long to comfortably hold in the desired pistol grip mount. This led to the development of a shorter round, 60 mm long (2.36 inch as opposed to 2.75)"
No, shotguns should be banned period.
I miss Allan Hart
Dp-12 is 7x7+2 with 2 3/4"
11x11+2 with minis.
123 rounds is pretty good capacity
you say that as a joke, but I'm working on a tube fed revolver that's 10x9+11 for 2 3/4" shells or ~170 mini shells. OAL of 51 inches when finished with 24" barrel.
No. They are pretty cool, though.