No they are objectively inferior in almost every way.
The fuel slowly disappears even if it is not used.
It has more moving parts than a gas station butane lighter.
It is heavier than a gas station butane lighter.
It has less burn time between refueling than a gas station butane lighter.
It requires a wick.
It doesn't burn as clean as butane gas.
The only good thing about them is they make a cool noice when flipped open and closed.
i carry an IMCO Streamline 6800, wich is comparable to a Zippo (possibly superior)
i wont get into the specific differences, but generally for gas lighters i agree with, what said. They are espaccialy illsuited for long therm storage, as the fuel evaporates within 2 weeks for the zippo and 3-4 weeks for the IMCO.
Upsides are that you can use normal petrol or other burning liquids as a fuel (wich has proved very useful to me), you can carry spare parts and actually repair them, as opposed to jst chucking a BIC in the trash and they have a general cool factor. Also more wind resistant than a BIC.
also in todays society, where everytging becomes trash after a few months of use, i apreacciate using gear that lasts, while im PrepHole, that can serve me for decades.
You are being a bit biased. All you need to solve the expiring fuel problem with zippos is to fill up before going on a hike. The moving parts bit makes no sense, it has a hinge for the cap and then there's the wheel. It's the same as a bic lighter. Inside there's just fuel soaked cotton. If you're worried about running out of wick you can store spares in the casing. Zippos perform enormously better in the wind compared to a butane lighter and they don't stop working in the cold.
Worst of all, you're not considering simply having both. Having a zippo, a butane lighter and a firesteel is negligible weight. I recently got one of those newer butane lighters that make a fire like a blowtorch but I don't know how they do in the wind.
>fill up before going on a hike
This is my point, that there is no need to remember to fill up a gas staton butane. You leave it in your fire pouch in your pack and it will work fine 10 years from now.
Besides, the guy was asking about prepping. >LOL just remember to fill up before SHTF and you'll have 2 solid weeks of lighter before the fuel evaporates!
>a hinge for the cap and then there's the wheel. It's the same as a bic
A pic doesn't have a hinge for the cap you smooth brain.
>Zippos perform enormously better in the wind compared to a butane lighter
Not compared to a butane torch lighter they don't.
>they don't stop working in the cold
Liquid fuel is nice for the cold, but I've never had a butane lighter have to sit inside my glove for more than a few mins regardless of outside temp.
>negligible weight
There is no such thing as negligible weight. If there were we could just take a propane torch.
If you're obsessed with having a zippo or are a cigar smoker, get one with a butane insert.
If you're obsessed with actually being able to light fires and not die, buy 4 or 5 bics, individually vacu-seal them, and spread them around your bags and gear.
>Are they any good for survival situations?
not really >Worth it for my prepper stash?
no i'd rather have a box of clippers and some flints
If you're obsessed with having a zippo or are a cigar smoker, get one with a butane insert.
If you're obsessed with actually being able to light fires and not die, buy 4 or 5 bics, individually vacu-seal them, and spread them around your bags and gear.
i carry an IMCO Streamline 6800, wich is comparable to a Zippo (possibly superior)
i wont get into the specific differences, but generally for gas lighters i agree with, what said. They are espaccialy illsuited for long therm storage, as the fuel evaporates within 2 weeks for the zippo and 3-4 weeks for the IMCO.
Upsides are that you can use normal petrol or other burning liquids as a fuel (wich has proved very useful to me), you can carry spare parts and actually repair them, as opposed to jst chucking a BIC in the trash and they have a general cool factor. Also more wind resistant than a BIC.
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For prepping as op asked about you'd rather a lighter that is disposable/non refillable and will run out?
In what way? They are not good prepper lighters, simple as. Fuel evaps too quickly, proper fuel is required and difficult to find unless you stock pile it and if you are doing that you might as well be stock piling bics as you can use them for barter. I get it, Zippos look cool but they are inferior in every imaginable way.
>bic users
switch to clippers if they're available in your area >bic complainers
clippers are refillable and have replacable flints and the flint size they take can be harvested from a standard lighter that's run out of fuel.
they're otherwise identical to bics, except a bit bulkier in the pocket due to shape. same exact grams and capacity for the full size ones. same for the minis. they're a direct upgrade.
the only advantage a zippo has is wind resistance. i've never had a problem using mini clippers and windproof matches on windy mountain tops above the tree line personally, anyone who finds themself in a location like that is going to have a wind screen with them anyways. i see no real advantage to zippos from an PrepHole perspective and it goes without saying they are an awful choice for prepping because they evap and leak. any upsides they have are negated by this.
clippers are infinitely reusable, mine usually make it 5-10 years before i lose them somewhere.
Seems anyone of these morons read your post correctly I'll answer, yes they are a good preppers lighter as they will run on a lot of different fuels and flints/wicks are replaceable
In a partial collapse of society, gas stations dont work, and stores in general dont open. But people will defend their stuff against burglars.
In a total colapse of society fuels are going to be the first thing to be escase.
You better learn how to flint and steel.
Just go to the dollar store or whatever and buy bics in bulk, they are like a buck a piece when you buy the 5 or 7 lighter packs. You should unironically have like 30+ bics in your stash. I have a couple zippos, they evaporate in about a week. More trouble than they are worth.
What are good alternative fuels, I looked it up a bit and it sounds like they don't run reliably on anything other than lighter fluid.
Ffs do you need to be spoon fed everything?? In an emergency situation a few drops of diesel onto wick will provide a 30-40 second flame for lightning a fire
Short answer: No, nothing beats a bic for an out lighter. Zippos are cool though.
Zippos are not good PrepHole lighters.
Maybe for larping they are ok
If you're obsessed with having a zippo or are a cigar smoker, get one with a butane insert.
If you're obsessed with actually being able to light fires and not die, buy 4 or 5 bics, individually vacu-seal them, and spread them around your bags and gear.
No they are objectively inferior in almost every way.
The fuel slowly disappears even if it is not used.
It has more moving parts than a gas station butane lighter.
It is heavier than a gas station butane lighter.
It has less burn time between refueling than a gas station butane lighter.
It requires a wick.
It doesn't burn as clean as butane gas.
The only good thing about them is they make a cool noice when flipped open and closed.
Itt people who can't read a question
Never change PrepHole
In what way? They are not good prepper lighters, simple as. Fuel evaps too quickly, proper fuel is required and difficult to find unless you stock pile it and if you are doing that you might as well be stock piling bics as you can use them for barter. I get it, Zippos look cool but they are inferior in every imaginable way.
Stock up on multiple empty zippos and fuel for said zippos. Don't buy the cans of fuel that come in plastic containers, the plastic becomes brittle and can break over time. Try to find the metal can fuel.
It's nice to have multiple lighters, sure there are better options, but one can argue that zippos are more rugged in design and will last longer as long as you keep spare parts
I think prepping is more about bunkering down somewhere and enduring long term, IDK I don't care about prepping, I think if things go to the shitter the governments will just wear a bigger boot to stomp on the citizens. Shit will hit the fan for you, it won't hit anywhere near people with money, authority, etc. but that's just my opinion. Makes sense to have bic lighters for fire if you want long-term reliability. But if you're in the woods, wind is an absolute nightmare to work with when all you have is a bic lighter. A zippo is much better, it really holds against the wind. Of course you also want to have a firesteel
I have those zippo warmers, I love them for sitting in a stand when it is cold, so I have a good amount of fuel already.
Might as well get the lighters to go with it.
You can also get a butane or even electric inserts.
For prepping, no. Anons have already give you reasons why. For looking cool, yeah. That's the only reason to have one beyond the year 2000. They kinda suck, but they are cool to flip open and light.
Get some disposables for trading, backups, gifts.
I like my zippo belt holster, get yourself a personalized zippo if you want, they are cool.
You could get the butane insert so you have more fuel options.
I'm a smoker that always carries a Zippo. I don't find them valuable for survival. I bring a bic or two when I'm in the outdoors. If you want redundancy, stash a Zippo, some bics, a rope lighter, a ferro rod, and some tinder. You should be able to get a fire going quick, fast, and in a hurry with that shit; regardless of the weather.
Bics are probably the most effective and cheap option you can find, very practical and reliable.
I also like the Djeep lighters, they are a bit bigger and feel more solid than a bic lighter.
For sure, don't listen to these morons complaining about evaporation or whatever homosexual shit they're on about, one of these bad boys has about the same amount of fuel as around 3000 bics.
Amd now it's 2500 bics. Now it's 1000 bics. 500, 100, zero. Tick tock, your fuel is evaporating as it sits in your pack. Good luck finding more in the wilderness.
noob question, does the lighter fluid evaporate in its own container aswell? is it feasible to keep containers of lighter fluid and a zippo and only fill up the zippo when I have to use it or would the lighter fluid in the unopened containers also evaporate just like if they were in the zippo?
I recently found a ~200ml can of zippo fuel from a decade ago in the garage. It has a folding spout as closure, so not even a proper lid and it was still full and perfectly usable. Ironically I rarely find old butane lighters that are still working properly but I generally take clippers with me. You people are bickering pointlessly about stupid shit. You sound like a bunch of twitter addicted women, I don't understand why you gays get so asshurt over someone's gear choices. You wanna use a folding saw, a fricking zippo, work boots, a 6' machete, you wanna sleep naked under a tarp, who the frick cares? Why do you try to bring conformity in the only fricking environment left on the planet where you are supposed to leave this feminine urbangoy homosexualry behind?
Why are you b***hing like someone just insulted your favorite purse? Urbanite homosexual, the thread is about specifically prepping for survival situations, and in those situations you don't want to be fumbling around like a moron in the dark looking for your fricking fuel tank so you can fill up your lighter in the dark to finally get some light. You can just grab a BIC and light it up.
Why are you b***hing like someone just insulted your favorite purse? Urbanite homosexual, the thread is about specifically prepping for survival situations, and in those situations you don't want to be fumbling around like a moron in the dark looking for your fricking fuel tank so you can fill up your lighter in the dark to finally get some light. You can just grab a BIC and light it up.
you can refill clippers too, and they don't evap.
zippos can only be used for 3-7 day trips depending on where you live. there is legitimate safety reasons to call you people shilling them moronS.
noob question, does the lighter fluid evaporate in its own container aswell? is it feasible to keep containers of lighter fluid and a zippo and only fill up the zippo when I have to use it or would the lighter fluid in the unopened containers also evaporate just like if they were in the zippo?
no it doesn't evap in the container. yes that is viable for short trips. could frick you if you get lost and have to survive though, a bic won't, so i would always carry a bic with me too if i have a zippo. the fuel from your zippo will evap fully in a week. faster if you use it, thats from 100 to 0. faster if your climate is warm.
Has anyone tried these gaskets? Saw some people wrapping their cases with an inner tube, but haven't seen any cases manufactured with the goal of stopping fuel evaporation.
No they are objectively inferior in almost every way.
The fuel slowly disappears even if it is not used.
It has more moving parts than a gas station butane lighter.
It is heavier than a gas station butane lighter.
It has less burn time between refueling than a gas station butane lighter.
It requires a wick.
It doesn't burn as clean as butane gas.
The only good thing about them is they make a cool noice when flipped open and closed.
i carry an IMCO Streamline 6800, wich is comparable to a Zippo (possibly superior)
i wont get into the specific differences, but generally for gas lighters i agree with, what said. They are espaccialy illsuited for long therm storage, as the fuel evaporates within 2 weeks for the zippo and 3-4 weeks for the IMCO.
Upsides are that you can use normal petrol or other burning liquids as a fuel (wich has proved very useful to me), you can carry spare parts and actually repair them, as opposed to jst chucking a BIC in the trash and they have a general cool factor. Also more wind resistant than a BIC.
also in todays society, where everytging becomes trash after a few months of use, i apreacciate using gear that lasts, while im PrepHole, that can serve me for decades.
You are being a bit biased. All you need to solve the expiring fuel problem with zippos is to fill up before going on a hike. The moving parts bit makes no sense, it has a hinge for the cap and then there's the wheel. It's the same as a bic lighter. Inside there's just fuel soaked cotton. If you're worried about running out of wick you can store spares in the casing. Zippos perform enormously better in the wind compared to a butane lighter and they don't stop working in the cold.
Worst of all, you're not considering simply having both. Having a zippo, a butane lighter and a firesteel is negligible weight. I recently got one of those newer butane lighters that make a fire like a blowtorch but I don't know how they do in the wind.
>fill up before going on a hike
This is my point, that there is no need to remember to fill up a gas staton butane. You leave it in your fire pouch in your pack and it will work fine 10 years from now.
Besides, the guy was asking about prepping.
>LOL just remember to fill up before SHTF and you'll have 2 solid weeks of lighter before the fuel evaporates!
>a hinge for the cap and then there's the wheel. It's the same as a bic
A pic doesn't have a hinge for the cap you smooth brain.
>Zippos perform enormously better in the wind compared to a butane lighter
Not compared to a butane torch lighter they don't.
>they don't stop working in the cold
Liquid fuel is nice for the cold, but I've never had a butane lighter have to sit inside my glove for more than a few mins regardless of outside temp.
>negligible weight
There is no such thing as negligible weight. If there were we could just take a propane torch.
Cool blog but this thread is about prepping feel free to start a new one about out lighters though
If you're obsessed with having a zippo or are a cigar smoker, get one with a butane insert.
If you're obsessed with actually being able to light fires and not die, buy 4 or 5 bics, individually vacu-seal them, and spread them around your bags and gear.
Zippos are not good PrepHole lighters.
Maybe for larping they are ok
I like I can light them with my gloves on.
Short answer: No, nothing beats a bic for an out lighter. Zippos are cool though.
>Are they any good for survival situations?
not really
>Worth it for my prepper stash?
no i'd rather have a box of clippers and some flints
>bic users
switch to clippers if they're available in your area
>bic complainers
clippers are refillable and have replacable flints and the flint size they take can be harvested from a standard lighter that's run out of fuel.
they're otherwise identical to bics, except a bit bulkier in the pocket due to shape. same exact grams and capacity for the full size ones. same for the minis. they're a direct upgrade.
the only advantage a zippo has is wind resistance. i've never had a problem using mini clippers and windproof matches on windy mountain tops above the tree line personally, anyone who finds themself in a location like that is going to have a wind screen with them anyways. i see no real advantage to zippos from an PrepHole perspective and it goes without saying they are an awful choice for prepping because they evap and leak. any upsides they have are negated by this.
clippers are infinitely reusable, mine usually make it 5-10 years before i lose them somewhere.
Seems anyone of these morons read your post correctly I'll answer, yes they are a good preppers lighter as they will run on a lot of different fuels and flints/wicks are replaceable
* As none
No, they are still stupid.
>I were at 2017 Mexico City earthquake and last year Tula flood.
Wow great explanation of why they are stupid for long term prepping you really got me there spaz
In a partial collapse of society, gas stations dont work, and stores in general dont open. But people will defend their stuff against burglars.
In a total colapse of society fuels are going to be the first thing to be escase.
You better learn how to flint and steel.
Just go to the dollar store or whatever and buy bics in bulk, they are like a buck a piece when you buy the 5 or 7 lighter packs. You should unironically have like 30+ bics in your stash. I have a couple zippos, they evaporate in about a week. More trouble than they are worth.
What are good alternative fuels, I looked it up a bit and it sounds like they don't run reliably on anything other than lighter fluid.
Petrol, white spirits, diesel ect anything flammable in an emergency situation
>diesel
>In a zippo
Thats just plain stupid
Ffs do you need to be spoon fed everything?? In an emergency situation a few drops of diesel onto wick will provide a 30-40 second flame for lightning a fire
Diesel needs to be at 55°c to light on fire.
Even with a match its tricky to light It, with a spark, its going to be impossible.
What temperature it's a spark from flint? Hint it's above 550c
THE DIESEL needs to be at 55°c
You need to warm the Diesel first, a spark is not going to warm shit
Like I've already Saud a few drops on wick then shower with sparks not a pool of diesel, it's not fricking rocket science
Itt people who can't read a question
Never change PrepHole
In what way? They are not good prepper lighters, simple as. Fuel evaps too quickly, proper fuel is required and difficult to find unless you stock pile it and if you are doing that you might as well be stock piling bics as you can use them for barter. I get it, Zippos look cool but they are inferior in every imaginable way.
Fuel is kept in cans for prepping
What did ww2 zippos run on?
Try harder
>Entire US WW2 Supply Chain
versus
>some guy trying to light a fire under a bridge post apocalypse
My point was they frequently used petrol in them
>what's PrepHoles opinion on them?
dumbass
Halfway there halfwit go on post the rest of his question
For prepping as op asked about you'd rather a lighter that is disposable/non refillable and will run out?
Stock up on multiple empty zippos and fuel for said zippos. Don't buy the cans of fuel that come in plastic containers, the plastic becomes brittle and can break over time. Try to find the metal can fuel.
It's nice to have multiple lighters, sure there are better options, but one can argue that zippos are more rugged in design and will last longer as long as you keep spare parts
I think prepping is more about bunkering down somewhere and enduring long term, IDK I don't care about prepping, I think if things go to the shitter the governments will just wear a bigger boot to stomp on the citizens. Shit will hit the fan for you, it won't hit anywhere near people with money, authority, etc. but that's just my opinion. Makes sense to have bic lighters for fire if you want long-term reliability. But if you're in the woods, wind is an absolute nightmare to work with when all you have is a bic lighter. A zippo is much better, it really holds against the wind. Of course you also want to have a firesteel
I have those zippo warmers, I love them for sitting in a stand when it is cold, so I have a good amount of fuel already.
Might as well get the lighters to go with it.
You can also get a butane or even electric inserts.
For prepping, no. Anons have already give you reasons why. For looking cool, yeah. That's the only reason to have one beyond the year 2000. They kinda suck, but they are cool to flip open and light.
Get some disposables for trading, backups, gifts.
I like my zippo belt holster, get yourself a personalized zippo if you want, they are cool.
You could get the butane insert so you have more fuel options.
That's cool. Do they leak gas, or will it still be full a year from now?
I'm not sure, I have the pipe insert in mine. I wouldn't think they would leak.
I'm a smoker that always carries a Zippo. I don't find them valuable for survival. I bring a bic or two when I'm in the outdoors. If you want redundancy, stash a Zippo, some bics, a rope lighter, a ferro rod, and some tinder. You should be able to get a fire going quick, fast, and in a hurry with that shit; regardless of the weather.
Bics are probably the most effective and cheap option you can find, very practical and reliable.
I also like the Djeep lighters, they are a bit bigger and feel more solid than a bic lighter.
For sure, don't listen to these morons complaining about evaporation or whatever homosexual shit they're on about, one of these bad boys has about the same amount of fuel as around 3000 bics.
Amd now it's 2500 bics. Now it's 1000 bics. 500, 100, zero. Tick tock, your fuel is evaporating as it sits in your pack. Good luck finding more in the wilderness.
noob question, does the lighter fluid evaporate in its own container aswell? is it feasible to keep containers of lighter fluid and a zippo and only fill up the zippo when I have to use it or would the lighter fluid in the unopened containers also evaporate just like if they were in the zippo?
I recently found a ~200ml can of zippo fuel from a decade ago in the garage. It has a folding spout as closure, so not even a proper lid and it was still full and perfectly usable. Ironically I rarely find old butane lighters that are still working properly but I generally take clippers with me. You people are bickering pointlessly about stupid shit. You sound like a bunch of twitter addicted women, I don't understand why you gays get so asshurt over someone's gear choices. You wanna use a folding saw, a fricking zippo, work boots, a 6' machete, you wanna sleep naked under a tarp, who the frick cares? Why do you try to bring conformity in the only fricking environment left on the planet where you are supposed to leave this feminine urbangoy homosexualry behind?
Why are you b***hing like someone just insulted your favorite purse? Urbanite homosexual, the thread is about specifically prepping for survival situations, and in those situations you don't want to be fumbling around like a moron in the dark looking for your fricking fuel tank so you can fill up your lighter in the dark to finally get some light. You can just grab a BIC and light it up.
"W-w-why are you b***hing for"
Proceeds to b***h and seethe
Lol
Lmao even
Gay.
Not gay.
Hey hey hey don't come in here making sense and being logical, don't you know this is sperg/out/
you can refill clippers too, and they don't evap.
zippos can only be used for 3-7 day trips depending on where you live. there is legitimate safety reasons to call you people shilling them moronS.
no it doesn't evap in the container. yes that is viable for short trips. could frick you if you get lost and have to survive though, a bic won't, so i would always carry a bic with me too if i have a zippo. the fuel from your zippo will evap fully in a week. faster if you use it, thats from 100 to 0. faster if your climate is warm.
>there is legitimate safety reasons
Concern trolling? Are you a woman or was I spot on calling you a homosexual?
>hypothermia weather
>no fire
>do you really think the guy with a leaky lighter has a back up plan?
thats brand new zippo evap times in an averge climate
it can get a lot worse too. bad qc one in california? not unheard of for it to be like 2 days.
Has anyone tried these gaskets? Saw some people wrapping their cases with an inner tube, but haven't seen any cases manufactured with the goal of stopping fuel evaporation.
Might slow it but I don't see how that stops the wick from being a big point of evaporation.
Yeah, I figure it may do a little, but not much compared to something that seals the case. Maybe kerosene would hold longer.
The fuel is sucked into the wick, where it evaporates. That is the whole mechanic behind how the lighter works in the first place