>zero used in Ukraine

>zero used in Ukraine

Russia gotta have tons of these laying around, but there nowhere to be seen. How unfathomably gigashit is the PT-76?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're only resistant to .50 cal fire, so they're pretty bad.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bmp-1
      bmp-2
      bmp-3
      bmd-2
      bmd-3
      bdrm-2
      mt-lb
      mt-lb abominations 1 through 99
      btr-50
      btr-60
      btr-80

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bmps and bmd's are proof against .50 from at least certain angles

        pt-76s are vulnerable from all angles at long ranges, have antiquated fire control systems and any artillery shrapnel slices through them. they're not survivable in the slightest. it speaks volumes when mtlbs are a better option

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          bmps tested in Ukraine are penned by .50 from all angles at over 500m

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          BMPs? Maybe. BMDs? No way.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And they tote around a special snowflake 76 mm gun that shares ammo with absolutely nothing else the Soviets or Russians have ever fielded. Unless you're sitting on a huge pile of those shells and nothing else to feed the actually useful vehicles, there's no reason to burden your logistics chain with tin cans equipped with shit optics and less firepower than a homie with a LAW.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're using bikes, gold carts and other APCs from the 50's. Resistance to big calibers probably isn't the reason why PT-76 aren't used

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The PT-76 has mobility worse than a BMP-1 with equally shit FCS, equally shit armor and no ability to carry squads of infantry. There's not much of a point to using them outside of drone corrected indirect fire for those reasons.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tank is a tank

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those dont set off mines and the pt does

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          All of these set off mines, what the frick are you talking about moron?
          The TM-62 is by far the most common AT mine in both Ukraine and Russia's arsenal and anything over 150kg sets it off, not even a golf cart or dirt bike has less ground pressure than that when carrying even 1-2 troops.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      On paper, sure. Add decades of rust and they're not gonna stop a roundhouse kick.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Now I am imagining a 9mm pistol shredding that things and killing everyone inside.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's still better than the MT-LB and half of the existing BTR models however

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually the upgraded version resists .50, the base model does not.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some anon here keeps saying they carved them up to build more BMP3s, which I don't believe but I also think is very funny

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >carved them up to build more BMP3s
      >more

      Not "more." It was always the base of the BMP3

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >6 wheels
        >tracks
        >engine in the back
        >vaguely similar shape
        yep, that's all the proof i need to conclude that a BMP3 is in fact a PT76 with a few bits welded on

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tank is tank

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and ya mudda is ya mudda

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          every moron can see from picrel of the post you answered to that those vehicels have a similar if not the same chassis.
          git gud

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the wheels don't line up
            >sprocket wheel is at a different height
            >bmp3 hull is 4 tons heavier
            the only proof on the entire internet for your claim that pt76s were all converted into bmp3 is a picture on an anonymous board, homosexual

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Designing a M113 and a M60 makes them very different since you can't use any of the work you do on one on the others.

              BMP3 and PT76 are similiar enough where you make one, make some tweaks and make the other.

              It is not the same amount of work as bradley vs m1.
              It's more like sherman 76 vs firefly

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >a BMP3 is in fact a PT76 with a few bits welded on

          Both vehicles were designed by the same designer at same factory, but they're completely different. Different engine and transmission, different hull. Also, BMP-3 is made of aluminum, while the PT-76 is made of steel.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it was sarcastic

            T90 is literally t72 which is barely changed t64 which is moderately changed t55 which is a barely changed t54.

            Same as audi is a volkswagen is a skoda is a seat.
            Just cause you tweak the wheelbase between models a bit and use all the same shit doesn't make it a whole nother car.

            Designing a M113 and a M60 makes them very different since you can't use any of the work you do on one on the others.

            BMP3 and PT76 are similiar enough where you make one, make some tweaks and make the other.

            It is not the same amount of work as bradley vs m1.
            It's more like sherman 76 vs firefly

            the argument that some people are making here

            https://i.imgur.com/vibkkFT.jpeg

            >carved them up to build more BMP3s
            >more

            Not "more." It was always the base of the BMP3

            is not that they're based off of the same design or have common parts, but that the reason no pt76s were seen in ukraine is because russia took the pt76 hulls and modified them into bmp3, and by that i mean the literal hulls, not some design changes on new hulls.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          T90 is literally t72 which is barely changed t64 which is moderately changed t55 which is a barely changed t54.

          Same as audi is a volkswagen is a skoda is a seat.
          Just cause you tweak the wheelbase between models a bit and use all the same shit doesn't make it a whole nother car.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >PT-76
    where do you think they get the bmp3 hulls, and why they have such an ass-moronic hatch system in the rear?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    saving them for odesa landing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >slap a S-60 AA gun onto your light tank
      Probably better than a BMP-1.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That ship sailed over 2 years ago, Anon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shame they only built up to 40 of them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's Odessa

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's Odessa

      Giving it a 57mm is the only intelligent thing Russian amphibious armor designers have done since giving the PRC and DPRK water jet technology and even then the PRC sucks at it.

      Any info on how that 57mm is fed or aimed? A few hits from a 57mm would frick up any IFV.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How unfathomably gigashit is the PT-76?
    Dunno but in my country "PT" sounds like the slang word for blowjob.
    Ideal name for a mobik death trap.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A bit unrelated but I remember years ago when playing battlefield there was a Russian vehicle called sprut-sd, it was a mobile anti tank gun iirc. Did this sprut show up in Ukraine at all? I don't recall seeing one so far.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >GUNS • SP 125mm 36+ 2S25 Sprut-SD
      from The Military Balance 2024. It's in the same category as Kurganets, "exists on paper, seen in a couple of parades, never seen anywhere in active duty". Officially they gave up on it already though, which is better than the Kurganets which continues to linger as a zombie program. The Ruskies said in August of last year that it was totally ready to mass produce 2S25Ms which are a new vehicle but bearing the same name and concept, now built on BMD-4 chassis. Given that I've not seen jack shit it's probably just more vaporware at this point.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Officially they gave up on it already though, which is better than the Kurganets which continues to linger as a zombie program
        That means its successfully working to its true purpose: embezzlement.

        >The Ruskies said in August of last year that it was totally ready to mass produce 2S25Ms which are a new vehicle but bearing the same name and concept, now built on BMD-4 chassis. Given that I've not seen jack shit it's probably just more vaporware at this point.
        The money went to the right bank accounts in Switzerland and the Bahamas which means it worked.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's meant to be an air-dropped vehicle (read: no armor), and is exclusively in service with the VDV. Given what happened to them it's no surprise we haven't really seen any.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        christ alive, all the AS VAL's and VSS's in the world are either trophies or scrap now aren't they? i kind of liked the funny space soviet rifle.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      VDV had them at the very start of the conflict and they didn't fare well. Turns out, armor so thin MGs can pen you is a bad idea.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What the frick is the point of an armored vehicle intended to fight infantry that can be killed by infantry not intended to fight vehicles

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s meant to be an air droppable tank destroyer.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's vaporware

      VDV had them at the very start of the conflict and they didn't fare well. Turns out, armor so thin MGs can pen you is a bad idea.

      Do you have a link for that? Only thing I could find was a low quality image that could have been any other kind of IFV, and there's no entries on Oryx.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >125mm main gun
      >carousel autoloader
      >same pop can aluminum armor as a BMD
      No way in hell these are being used. Russia had only produced a couple dozen of them before the war.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      24 vehicles were in service during 2009 with further orders being cancelled in 2010. In 2013, the Russian airborne troops ordered a new 125 mm self-propelled gun to replace 2S25, based on the BMD-4 chassis with a 2A46M-5 125 mm gun. In August 2022, the Russian state conglomerate Rostec stated that tests were completed and production facilities for mass production were being prepared. In August 2023, it was announced that the gun was ready for series production

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Supposedly they use the chassis for refurbishing and restoring BMPs.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How shit is the Abraham, holhol traitor?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      About worth a hundreds times as much as T-90M in temr sof battlefield effectiveness. Any other questions, nekulturny pidor?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IIRC, Russia doesn't even officially use them anymore since the USSR broke apart. The vast majority of the PT-76s were inherited by the successor states or exported to foreign countries. Like the T-55, they probably don't even have any left to reactivate.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Like the T-55, they probably don't even have any left to reactivate.
      >he doesn't know

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >set up a cope cage to give it a fighting chance against FPVs
    >remove the amphibious shit to add more armor
    >ONLY use HE
    >add some shitty chink cameras from alibaba to the outside
    BOOM, made a meh assault gun.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its gotta be better than a golf cart right?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      From a logistics standpoint? Not necessarily.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Its chassis served as the basis for a number of other vehicle designs, many of them amphibious, including the BTR-50 armored personnel carrier, the ZSU-23-4 Shilka self-propelled antiaircraft gun, the ASU-85 airborne self-propelled gun and the 2K12 Kub anti-aircraft missile launch vehicle.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is a PT-76 or an M4 Sherman a better tank?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the PT-76 is larger, has less armor and a worse gun in every aspect except pure penetration. Probably more cramped and less survivable as well and looks worse

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is the gun really worse? I knew it has thin armor, but I thought the gun might be its strong point.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, the PT-76 is plenty roomy, especially the turret.
        T-72 and T-55 on the other hand are hella cramped, especially for the driver who basically has to be a Mongolian midget.
        I used to do living history and our unit would do a display around a running museum PT-76 so we were allowed to climb in and on it and the other armor there.
        You could hand-crank the turret and elevate the gun, but the breech had been demilled.
        I remember getting really drunk one year and waking up at 4am in the loader’s seat.
        Like others in here are saying, the PT-76 isn’t a good tank; they are quite frankly so lightly armored that you’d be better off in a MRAP and their gun isn’t worth it. They also have their exhaust on the top of the tank’s backside, so you can’t put as many disposable meatwave ‘desantniki’ on the back of one compared to other ancient Soviet armor.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Is a PT-76 or an M4 Sherman a better tank?

      Is the gun really worse? I knew it has thin armor, but I thought the gun might be its strong point.

      >Is the gun really worse? I knew it has thin armor, but I thought the gun might be its strong point.

      it got a 76 mm tank gun, just like a M4 Sherman and T-34

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/AkQjdEV.jpeg

        The unique selling point of the PT-76 is that it is amphibious, it sacrifices quite a lot to be able to do that.
        It's not that impressive today, but back then an amphibious stabilised 76mm gun was a pretty unique capability, it could even fire somewhat accurately in the water.

        I see. Not bad for very specific role, but otherwise not any better than Sherman. Thank you.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Part of what made the BMP-1 so awe-inspiring to NATO observers was the fact it could do anything the PT-76 could on top of carry its own squad, at least in theory. Compared to the glacial-moving LVTs that were being phased out and the glorified aluminum shed on tracks that was the M113, it was in a whole different class.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The unique selling point of the PT-76 is that it is amphibious, it sacrifices quite a lot to be able to do that.
      It's not that impressive today, but back then an amphibious stabilised 76mm gun was a pretty unique capability, it could even fire somewhat accurately in the water.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I kind of hope we get a 1960s era wargame style RTS one day.

        Lots of fun mechanics like regular tactical nuclear weapons use, chemical weapons, NBC protection.
        Lots of funky early weapons concepts as well like early ATGMs like saggers and early RPGs, recoilless rifles everywhere, anti tank guns, weird and wonderful tanks and APCs.

        Lots of Pre smart weapon combat with fighter jet dogfights, unguided bombs, rockets and AAA, early helicopters ect.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Suffered really badly from being adapted from a WW2 game badly. It's a glorified low quality mod.

            https://i.imgur.com/yyN2ftU.jpeg

            I kind of hope we get a 1960s era wargame style RTS one day.

            Lots of fun mechanics like regular tactical nuclear weapons use, chemical weapons, NBC protection.
            Lots of funky early weapons concepts as well like early ATGMs like saggers and early RPGs, recoilless rifles everywhere, anti tank guns, weird and wonderful tanks and APCs.

            Lots of Pre smart weapon combat with fighter jet dogfights, unguided bombs, rockets and AAA, early helicopters ect.

            Wargame with 60s decks. Hotmod for Gates of Hell has potential but very early in development. There was that old Codename Panzers: Cold War game. At least one game set in Korea whose name eludes me at the moment.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >1960s era wargame style RTS
          I hope you like Pentomic tactics of just nooking your enemies and sitting put.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt the remaining vehicles are still amphibious.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it would come down to ammo and parts availability.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick do the Russians have 37,000 different types of APCs/IFVs I can't keep up.
    Someone explain it to me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When you keep coming up with garbage that melts on enemy contact you keep having to go back to the drawing board.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Corruption.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because the Russians continually apply little band-aid tweaks to their sucking chest wound of a design.

      Corruption.

      Nearly the root of it.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you know those tin can APC's that get penned by everything?
    >let's put ammo inside that goes KABOOM and cooks everyone
    Genius idea

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is such utter shit that a 35 year old Nork design is objectively superior in every imaginable way, that is how bad it is.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >PT-76: 76mm gun, 7.62mm coax, aluminum armor, max 25mm front, 15 tons

      >Shin'heung/'PT-85': 85mm gun, 7.62 coax, 14.5mm, 30mm steel hull/turret front, 20 tons

      The Shin'heung is objectivity better, it is also about 5-6 feet longer and half a foot taller but 5 tonns heavier. Does that extra volume really compensate for 5 tons of weight? Ethiopia/Eritria say their amphibious abilities are just fine but still.

      Google tells me a 55 gallon drum is about 450 lbs of buoyancy, could the Russians just have made it a bit bigger so it would have real armor? I know they wanted it to do sea state 4 but when the hell was that going to happen and btw, it can't do that.

      I know the designs are 30 years apart but still, in 1961 you would think the USSR would have had better things to waste 150k tons of aluminum on and just made it slightly larger and out of steel. The practical uses would not have changed one bit.

      Pic: My APC-fu who is based on a Shin'heung but isn't as fat as her mom.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ethiopia/Eritria say their amphibious abilities are just fine but still.
        >trusting countries in arid mountains when it comes to amphibious capabilities

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    needs more training

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How can I get one of these?

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