Zastava M19

I hate it

Why do you bros also hate it?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's a better SCAR?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      copies the Scar stock so it must be a better scar?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Serbia produces its products domestically in the US too

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          As far as I know it doesn't, it only handles and prepares imports for the US civilian market.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            which includes 922r compliance, which includes manufacturing a minimum amount of parts stateside. TFB has a video on it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Which includes stuff like the muzzle device, trigger, and mag. not the base rifle

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That’s an ACR stock you nogun gay.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I don't give a fuck about the acr or the scar because im not some call of duty gay like you

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then stfu

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like it, but I don’t care for Zastava much

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Better than the AK12 but Serbia is a Russian ally so I doubt we’ll see these in the states any time soon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Serbia isn't under US sanctions you fucking genius.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I know that but they are a country that is allied with Russia and potentially gonna start another Balkan war.
        I just want them to import the M19 in 556 and after I get one they can wipe each other off the face of the earth for all I can.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why? In 5.56 it will just be another scar/bren/acr shitter clone that isn't better than an ar15

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because it would be cheaper than those three.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              but more expensive and also worse than the AR? I guess it's for someone who wants a 5.56 rifle that isn't an AR or AK, doesn't want a bullpup, and doesn't have the money to buy something actually cool like a daewoo.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I’m already bored of ARs and plastic guns like the XCR should cost less since the main reason they are half polymer is to make it cheaper for mass production.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The XCR is completely made of metal

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it's ackshually an XCR shitter clone

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > potentially gonna start another Balkan war.
          With what army? The entire Serbian military is less than 25,000 and they haven’t had conscription for over 10 years.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >tfw Serbia would probably lose a war against the IRS

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don't like that being true

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Serbia isn't under US sanctions you fucking genius.

      NOOOO RUSSIA YOU CAN'T INVADE COUNTRIES AND OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT! ONLY WE CAN DO THAT

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why did you even quote me, my Black?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I felt like it, gringo.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, they can't. Yes, only we can. Deal with it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If they want to emulate the US
        >a good justification event, real or fake, you have to sell it well
        >lightening war opening, devastating precision missile strikes, highly coordinated air strikes, and TEMPO

        They fucked up on both accounts. What makes it even more pathetic is due to the distance of Ukraine and the shared language and culture, Russia should’ve had an even easier time to set up a false flag than the US considering the US had to deal with muslims and a country an ocean away.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You must be a zoomer, because every war the US has been involved in for the last 70 years has been highly controversial and protested against by Americans.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd buy one as an AKfag as I'd rather have something like this than AKM with 1000 dollars of aluminum strapped on it #5474847856

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hate it isn't in 5.56.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it will be confirmed

      currently 7.62 and 6.5 grendel

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Guess I will save up some shekels in case in comes in a non retarded twist.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I get the impression that you have to rack the charging handle every reload like a normal AK, but it's at the back of the receiver like an AR. That sounds utterly miserable.
      Also I'm a bit skeptical about it being able to hold zero long-term with a quick-change barrel and a removable dust cover.

      The guy James Reeves interviewed said they're working on a 5.56/300 BLK version for us.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Let's add picatinny rail and give it a SCAR stock
    >To the shitty AK design
    wow how original

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      dont forget your keymod

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It also uses a T-charging handle and has a quick-remove barrel. It only has a 15% parts commonality with your standard M70 AK.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >T-charging handle
        In the trash it goes then.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wait... is this an AK with easily serviceable barrels?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Allegedly and thats about the only interesting thing it has going for it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i dont
    congrats serbia this is the 2nd time youve made a better Ak than its home country

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >No I don't want serviceable barrels
    Okay AK fags stay losing lol

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    M O G G E D
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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What's the point of having the front sight up?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So you don't have to flip it up if you have to ditch your ACOG and transition to irons.
        The real question is why you'd bother with BUIS on a gun with a notoriously indestructible optic that you can't cowitness through (not to mention the option of using the MAWL's vis laser)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Considering the placement of that MAWL I doubt that the owner of the rifle even cares about that. They bought it to take a picture on reddit given the filename, not to use in any practical sense

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How are you supposed to use that MAWL in any remotely comfortable fashion? This rifle just screams redditor who doesn't actually use their kit.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Please learn to take photos

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      fuck your hobby moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/4YLU0UX.jpg

      I think its already confirmed that the charging handle is going to change, other than that make the front sight look less gay and the 10 inch looks pretty cool.

      https://i.imgur.com/Qh1EdNh.jpg

      I hate it

      Why do you bros also hate it?

      >rock n lock
      and into the trash it goes

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the superior magazine insertion method.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Rock and lock is based

        the superior magazine insertion method.

        Truth

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/4YLU0UX.jpg

      I think its already confirmed that the charging handle is going to change, other than that make the front sight look less gay and the 10 inch looks pretty cool.

      I hate Serbs but I really like the look of this gun.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think its already confirmed that the charging handle is going to change, other than that make the front sight look less gay and the 10 inch looks pretty cool.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it looks sick and I will get one in 2 years when they show up

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who the hell thought it was a good idea to put a ar charging handle on an AK. The only reason it works for the AR is the bolt hold open.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's got a lot of the things I'd want in a properly modernized AK, and I like my ZPAP 92 and Serb guns in general. The keymod is baffling. Serb mags have BHO so hopefully whatever they ship here will have a proper BHO setup.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The keymod is baffling.
      MLOK is ITAR-restricted, no joke.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Who is going to stop them from cutting some slits into metal? The police?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >ITAR-restricted
        Wat? It's an open-source geometric spec. And Zastava sells guns with mlok handguards already. I'm confused here on how ITAR would be invoked and I'm literally an attorney.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bullshit, even China's new service rifle use M-lok handguard.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    don't like keymod and even if it's inferior i want an m21 before this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >m21

      Holy shit now that looks like a more perfected AK. Do want if they ever make it in a non-trans caliber.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I dig it, looks like a good attempt at AK modernization or at least better than the abortion that is the AK-12 (Yes I'm still mad the real AK-12 never entered production). Leave it to Zastava to eat KC's lunch when it comes to AKs. I'd get one if it comes to the states though I'm with I'd want the M21 more

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The AK12 would've certainly entered full-ish production at Izhmash if the Obama bans didn't take place. The Saiga was made just for the US market, so even if the military didn't adopt the AK12 they'd have made it for export if the US civilian market demanded enough of it. They stated plans to start exporting that along with the balanced recoil one, the AK107 I think. We got hit with the import restrictions right before a bunch of cool shit was going to start coming in. At least we got some AK100s, but we should really try to get those bans undone at some point. Hopefully we'll make peace with Russia and have a nice honeymoon phase where they lift all restrictions. Probably not, they never give rights back once they've been stripped.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >AK12 died because of Obama
          I hate king moron too but that's an absurd idea that Russian arms acquisitions are contingent on the US civilian market. But yeah I hope and pray that we can go back to the good old days before the b&, maybe it might happen if this war really spirals out of control for Russia and we have an opportunity to install a friendly puppet or controlled opposition

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >contingent on the US civilian market.
            Literally. The majority of Izhmash's sales were to the US market at one point. They stated they were going to export the AK12, although iirc it was as a parts kit for importers to convert the Saigas into it. Yes if the US market wanted it, the company wouldn't hesitate to take the opportunity to make money. The Saiga itself in the hunting rifle configuration was made for the US market. They wanted our sales and were moving into further models.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw Zastava USA will never bring the M21 to the US because there is "no market"
      why live

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Look heavy
    7.62x39 instead of 5.56 or at the very least 5.45
    Doesn't look like it can be field stripped whatsoever since the upper is one piece all the way up the handguard but maybe the stock comes off and everything comes out the back
    Ugly

    Biggest problem is definitely that it looks like it weighs a ton and it's in a bad caliber

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's like a pound lighter than the M70 (Yugo AKM) and the "upper" is held on with two pins

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Lol wat?
        Unloaded it literally weighs almost half a pound more then the m70
        >Pic related

        8.4lbs is ridiculous when a AR weighs 5lbs

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          8lbs is not heavy, and the rifle is steel and not aluminum. I've bent enough AR uppers from just screwing on the barrel to know aluminum is a shit choice for guns. The extra 2lbs is not a big deal. ARs are around 6lbs at the lightest, that's not heavy for any man and neither is 8lbs. I don't even notice the weight of my 9-10lb G3. Especially when a gun is balanced, you're not going to notice weight being a problem until you get up to 13-15lbs. Depends on how feminine you are too I suppose.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What’s your opinion on 300 blackout?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Good for pdw's I guess but not really since it isn't going through a plate and the larp that 9mm or 45acp won't kill reliably is retarded
        Plus when you put a suppressor on it is becomes too long to be used as a pdw
        And it's supersonic rounds are way worse than 7.62x39

        Basically it's a retarded larp caliber that fixes problems that literally do not exist whatsoever

        Just use pistol calibers if you are within the 100m range 300blk works in, and use a real caliber if you are beyond that range

        300blk is literally pistol caliber effective range and does NOTHING better then pistol calibers

        If you or anyone disagrees tell me what's so great about it so I can explain that you are retarded

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Btw when I say 300blk won't go through plates I mean that 300blk struggles to even get through lvl 3a pistol caliber armor, and is fully stopped by lvl 3 armor

          So if you can only engage within pistol caliber ranges, and cannot reliably defeat pistol caliber armor, either just use pistol calibers or use a real rifle caliber

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It really is like a beefy pistol caliber. It was made to be supressed and do well through short barrels, like a replacement for MP5s not a replacement for military service rifles. I'm sure there's non subsonic loads that will go through 3a, it's got the case space for enough powder.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      its getting 5.56 and 5.45 at some point in the future

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Okay so now you have a 8 and a half pound 5.56 rifle for no reason, congratulations

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You can smash your enemies' head when you're out of ammo.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think the quick change barrel part of it is pretty neat. It seems like one of the better AK modernizations for sure. I'm personally not interested in getting one; if I'm going to get an AK, I want an actual AK.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >built on the worst AK receiver (Serbian pot metal)
    >uses the worst charging handle placement
    >15% parts compatibility with the AK, and not even the high wear most likely to need replacement parts, just shit like the trigger components, like what was even the point great now I can use whatever trash AK trigger I want
    >plastic stock, probably aluminum parts, yet marketed to AK guys who hate weak breakable shit
    >supposed to be a modernized rifle, not even bullpup

    Literally only the selector switch, adjustable gas, and ability to use AK mags are good about it. I'm not even sure if it has an adjustable gas actually, not even going to further research this POS. Into the trash with it and its shills.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >supposed to be a modernized rifle, not even bullpup
      That's what gave you away. have a nice day

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You might disagree with my logic, but you also might be a retard and not know it. We already have standardization for traditional configuration rifles, you either get an AR, AK, or some flavor of military adopted battle rifle. Maybe if you wanna be hip a VZ or AUG, but these are proven designs that are somewhat standardized. I'm not going to step outside the box and adopt something with no parts commonality, no military track record, or especially no mag commonality if it doesn't bring anything new and useful to the table. Shorter OAL while still retaining barrel length is an upgrade worth sacrificing commonality for. This piece of shit is in long ass cold war era grandpa gun configuration, not to mention doesn't even have last round BHO, and it's supposed to be a modern rifle? This is a fucking joke, this thing is trash. Not only would I never adopt this as my main rifle I wouldn't even buy it as a toy.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Not dust cover
    But why

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The dust cover is literally the worst part of the AK system.
      Most other parts can be excused or said to have some value otherwise, but the dust cover is completely without merit or value.

  20. 1 month ago
    aynon

    just learned about this gun from this post, now i kinda want one GOD DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks funny, but considering how heavy Serbian AKs typically are, I'd bet that gun weights at least a good 5kgs

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Still no bolt release
    Yugo mags even have a BHO so whats their fucking problem

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why does it look tiny? Am I having a stroke?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The suppressor and optics are humongous which probably makes the gun look smaller by comparison

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