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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    YWNBARG

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >YWNBARG
      >ARG
      >/ARG/
      What did he mean by this?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It will never be an AR 😀

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Rolling for your quranic wisdom, inshallah

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      barg

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        BARGAR

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I can already tell this thing isn't gonna pass field trials.
    >Infantry will find a way to break the folding stock mechanism
    >Infantry will not only bend that ultra thin M-lok rail, but they'll bend the railed receiver extension it mounts onto, making the entire upper receiver unusable
    If this thing gets adopted en-masse and becomes standard, I expect it to adopt a quad-rail handguard and ditch the folding stock.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why does anyone NOT use a quad-rail? Modularity beats perfectionism every time (ask anyone on PrepHole what's better, Mac or Linux).

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Why does anyone NOT use a quad-rail?
        Because this is actually going to be carried around so weight matters unlike for your LARPing at the range

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Weight and cost. It's much cheaper and faster to extrude a simple profile tube and just cut long slots in it than it is to extrude a complex profile tube, machine out the upper and lower geometries for the pic rail shoulders, and then notch out the rail sections and then debur the entire thing.

        MLOK can also just be turned into a pic rail with the addition of rail segments or simply reinforced using long, simple joiner sections that can be bolted on, if required.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Folding stocks and m-lok rails are very standard stuff, it'd be surprising if they actually managed to significantly frick up something to simple.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Infantry will find a way to break the folding stock mechanism
      Why do you dumbasses always say this? Most of the first world and plenty of second world countries have folding stocks on service rifles and it’s not a problem.
      Stop spewing bullshit and get back to being dead Pierre Sprey.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Oh sure folding stocks are fine, it's just that the ones on the MCX are really thin compared to every other folding stock out there.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          are you talking about the tiny thin ones on the civilian MCX SPEAR-LT?

          The folding stock used on the regular MCX SPEAR is much chunkier

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I want the bottom one 🙂

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Well if you're wanting a ~$2500 AR, by all means enjoy. Should be available at least in the US as of the past few weeks

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I want it in .300 blk
                >:

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Well it's available in a 9" SBR (though it might be 11.5" if it's matching the 5.56 model, their product page might just be inaccurate) or 9" Pistol at the moment. I think they're also supposed to have a 16" non-SBR version at some point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                9" length is most certainly better imo, that would be my goto choice. I wouldn't bother with a 16" ver.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Bottom one looks more durable by a long shot

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I want the bottom one 🙂

            Bottom one looks more durable by a long shot

            Spear LT is so much cuter than her older sister. Too bad it's 2500+ and out of stock every where, would love to get

            https://i.imgur.com/QySqNxW.png

            Well it's available in a 9" SBR (though it might be 11.5" if it's matching the 5.56 model, their product page might just be inaccurate) or 9" Pistol at the moment. I think they're also supposed to have a 16" non-SBR version at some point.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Were thinking the same page 🙂
              I really want the 9" in .300 blk and I would buy this stock for it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That stock has been discontinued anon. Sorry.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/1fycy6a.png

              Were thinking the same page 🙂
              I really want the 9" in .300 blk and I would buy this stock for it.

              It's honestly a goddamn shame the P320 soiled Sig's reputation because the MCX is a genuinely good gun. My LGS has only ever had one in stock and it was during the height of coof and the Fentanyl Floyd riots so they wanted $4000 for it. I'd rather buy a SR-25 or SCAR-H for that price.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You'd never find an SR-25 for that price, though you can get a SCAR for ~$3600-4000 at the moment.

                That being said, the 7.62x51 MCX SPEAR is available now for ~$4200, though they're sold out everywhere and probably will be for the next year or two.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Remember when the Hellion came out? And it was going for $2k and more. Then months to a year later, its averaging around $1,500 to $1,700.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Lol yeah, well considering this was $6100 the other day, and $8000 on its early limited edition release, I don't think it'll drop TOO much, maybe $500-750 cheaper in the next year or two on sale.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The difference is there is actual demand for the Spear. The VHS was only sought after by e-celebs looking for their latest grift piece.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly if I could justify spending the ~$7-8k before other accessories I wouldn't mind owning both.

            SPEAR-LT in .300blk and then SPEAR in 6.5 or 6.8

            Throw optic and cans on both and i'd be looking at $12,000 at the end of the day potentially more if I want some fancier optics on the 6.5/6.8 rifles.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I can already tell this thing isn't gonna pass field trials
      We're well past that

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Are Americans really a bunch of dumb Black person mutts to the point that they cant use anything more complex and modern than a civil war rifle? God, actual white Germanic European military soldiers can adapt to these new rifles under a single week.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        post g36

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        After doing shooting competitions with German, Finnish, Polish, Hungarian, and French Soldiers, all I can say is lol to that. Euros are shit tier marksmen if we speak in averages.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        you motherfrickers aren't even close to marksmanship compared to the US, whats the point of knowing where all your buttons are if you can't hit the broadside of a barn at 10 feet. learn to shoot dumb ass, thats how effective suppressive fire and kills are earned.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Is this the modern equivalent of not giving infantry full auto because they thought they'd waste it lol

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Will we have a dumb burst option equivalent too?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I understand that Marines are particularly famous for it but honestly it applies equally to the general public. If it can be broken, they will break it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What do marines have to do with it? Only the army bought the rifle (so far).

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Well, Marines are particularly famous for breaking stuff.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Well they apparently were involved in the testing phase during development so marines had their chance to break it and SIG had a chance to fix what they broke.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Twenty bucks says if it actually got to the infantrymen, they’d find some way too frick up, misplace or just misuse the fancy systems they added. Idiot-proof it as hard as you can, Mother Nature just makes a bigger idiot.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    When will burger stop painting every gun in FDE?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You tell me hans

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        But I'm not a Kraut. And we never painted our service rifles in FDE.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >this shit over g36
        I will NEVER forgive the germans for replacing the g36 even if their moronic fuddlore about it came true.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I heard the G36 did encounter some overheating problems in Mexico testing, thus why the FX-05 exists though.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            no, that was more HK trying to israelite the hispanics out of some more money half way through the setup phase. So they said frick it we'll make our own with black jack and hookers

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              fx 05 recoil its fricking nice, and managable in full auto

              i wish we could get one for civilians down here
              rumor says we will be able to buy them in the future but idk

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              And to their credit, they succeeded.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                fx 05 recoil its fricking nice, and managable in full auto

                i wish we could get one for civilians down here
                rumor says we will be able to buy them in the future but idk

                no, that was more HK trying to israelite the hispanics out of some more money half way through the setup phase. So they said frick it we'll make our own with black jack and hookers

                I heard the G36 did encounter some overheating problems in Mexico testing, thus why the FX-05 exists though.

                >this shit over g36
                I will NEVER forgive the germans for replacing the g36 even if their moronic fuddlore about it came true.

                Didn't Steyr make an aluminum version of the G36? Called the G62 iirc.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yes

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Sure thing, Paco.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I really love reading stories about HK getting assblasted on losing mil contracts

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Got any pic/additional info of the mexican modified G36s?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

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                no, that was more HK trying to israelite the hispanics out of some more money half way through the setup phase. So they said frick it we'll make our own with black jack and hookers

                fx 05 recoil its fricking nice, and managable in full auto

                i wish we could get one for civilians down here
                rumor says we will be able to buy them in the future but idk

                I really love reading stories about HK getting assblasted on losing mil contracts

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                Anonymous

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                Where did you get one?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              fx 05 recoil its fricking nice, and managable in full auto

              i wish we could get one for civilians down here
              rumor says we will be able to buy them in the future but idk

              I really love reading stories about HK getting assblasted on losing mil contracts

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I will NEVER forgive the germans for replacing the g36 even if their moronic fuddlore about it came true.
          I will NEVER forgive the germans for forcibly standardizing g36 mags onto European civilian markets, and then just ditching it all scheming in the background to adapt an AR instead

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      As soon as it becomes practical to paint them olive drab

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    is was over when they renamed it to M7 and lost the M5/M250 number magic
    frick colt

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just got some range time yesterday on one of the very few .277 Spears.
    >pic related
    I was not overly impressed with the rifle truthfully. Myself and a few others took turns spending some time on the range with it. I will say the first thing we all noted was that the rifle was extremely heavy. If I had to guess probably somewhere around 13-14lbs with optic, suppressor, and full mag. This did however directly translate to recoil on par with 5.56 out of a 20in AR. The side charging handle is extremely awkward to use as is the traditional AR pattern charging handle just due to the weight and size. One malfunction we all noted was that if you attempt to take out a magazine that isn’t empty when you rack the charging handle to remove the round from the chamber it has a very bad habit of getting lodged between the bolt and the ejection port requiring you to use the side charging handle in a really aggressive manner in order to remove the round. Overall I don’t think this rifle will be in service long. The round is cool though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day immediately ADHD riddled tiktok addicted no attention span having zoomer homosexual

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >extremely heavy
      >around 13-14lbs
      You know in the army they always give manlets the LMG.

      14lbs ain't that bad.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Is that true? My grampa was a manlet with huge forearms (farmer's son) and he was a Bren gunner.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >around 13-14lbs with optic, suppressor, and full mag
      It really is a fricking BAR.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Nah BAR is longer, and 18-19lbs without accessories.

        HCAR is a little more reasonable at 11-12lbs naked. But that is still more than the XM7.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The side charging handle is extremely awkward to use as is the traditional AR pattern charging handle just due to the weight and size.
      Seems like a problem with you being a b***h.

      At least the price, while expensive, isn't as absurd as some people were saying it would be.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why does it cost that much? They sell the LT here for like $3,000-$3,300 in 7.62 NATO (308)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The LT is $2500
          see

          https://i.imgur.com/QySqNxW.png

          Well it's available in a 9" SBR (though it might be 11.5" if it's matching the 5.56 model, their product page might just be inaccurate) or 9" Pistol at the moment. I think they're also supposed to have a 16" non-SBR version at some point.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          LT is 7.62x39

          The LT doesn't do any calibers with a .308 parent case, that's only in the non-LT SPEARs

          The MCX SPEAR-LT is .223, .300blk, and 7.62x39

          The MCX SPEAR is .308, 6.5cm, and 6.8x51 (.277 Fury)

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's the 7.62 civilian version and it's msrp. The 6.8 version is still 8k.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >we all noted was that the rifle was extremely heavy
      one thing I noted is that you don't even lift

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        dyel noticed and destroyed

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why the frick does this moronic non-argument still come up in these threads? Do the people who post it even believe it's valid at this point?

        If a rifle is just as effective for everything you want to do with it but is lighter, the ammo is lighter and smaller so you can carry more of it, and it's cheaper, why in the goddamn frick would you choose the heavier one for any reason? It's not even relevant how strong you are, the lighter cheaper equipment is obviously better.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Who are you?

          Who do you think you are?

          You don't even have the NGSW optic and firing system

          Yet you talk like you are smarter and more experience than actual combat veterans and military engineers on what constitutes a next generation squad rifle

          You talk like your opinion an incomplete, civilian version of a rifle without the issued ammunition or high tech firing system has any significance whatsoever to the decisions of the US military

          You are shit on it because you are a fraud, a charlatan, and an attention-seeker, plain and simple. I doubt you have even witnessed a firefight and would shit your pants if you did.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You talk like your opinion on* an incomplete, civilian version of a rifle without the issued ammunition or high tech firing system has any significance whatsoever to the decisions of the US military

            Embarrassing and fraudulent

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >that spacing
            We know what you are, go back where you belong

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >I KnOw THAt SpAcInG!!
              fricking newbie. kys.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Argument from authority is a logical fallacy.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao this is 100% one of the indian shills SIG hired to do their marketing on the internet.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Hah. GAAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!

            You're gonna experience a firefight when I throw my poopie at you

            GlowBlack person

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          because they're fat manlets. the whole
          >tall elves pack light, stout dwarves make little of burden
          idea is completely real. tall (normal) human beings detest burdens because they notice it affecting their high-level mobility, whereas the fat manlets have never run double digits so an extra 10lbs on their rifle won't be noticable to them, a race that knows not 100% exertion

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            t. botkin

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >If a rifle is just as effective

          Well it isn't. So everything you said after this doesn't matter. Fricking moron.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He'll now make up excuses for how none of the extra performance offered by the new rifle is useful for a military.
            And some moron will probably chime in about how it's for killing American civilians in level 4 plates despite the fact the military already has rifle ammo to do that.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Do the NGSW stuff defeat lvl 4?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                lol no

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                With the "SP" Special Purpose round that costs like $22/shot right now, sure. But so will M993 and M995 which are even cheaper per shot.

                This sounds like either corporate/political frickery or some money laundering scheme. I just hope the infantryman with these weapons won't suffer.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                With the "SP" Special Purpose round that costs like $22/shot right now, sure. But so will M993 and M995 which are even cheaper per shot.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He'll now make up excuses for how none of the extra performance offered by the new rifle is useful for a military.
            And some moron will probably chime in about how it's for killing American civilians in level 4 plates despite the fact the military already has rifle ammo to do that.

            It's true though. Modern infantry doesn't fight at distances where the extra performance matters as much as maneuverability and control.

            Do the NGSW stuff defeat lvl 4?

            No, it doesn't, which is another reason the whole idea is stupid. Even within practical combat ranges the extra penetration on human targets won't matter. It's completely pointless.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      damn, you tested a gun designed for 400m+ at a 30m range and found no advantage from a hotter round? who woulda thunk?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >designed for 400m+
        >Army already knows most rifle kills take place at less than that
        So what's the point of this rifle again?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          To change that average. The thinking behind this is doubtless that you could engage at greater ranges, and kill more effectively at greater ranges, with a better tool. Hence not just a new rifle but a fancy new scope too.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That average isn't because of capability. Soldiers aren't engaging at those ranges because it's impractical and unrealistic due to environmental and mixed unit tactics reasons, not because an AR can't reach 400 meters. It's hard to see that far in the first place because of obstacles like trees and buildings and geographical features, and then even if you did somehow know there was an enemy unit 1000 meters away why wouldn't you just call a drone or artillery for that?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Do you think front-line troops are going to actually hit objects that far, when being fired at?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The 300m average was calculated when we were using full power .30-06 in bolt actions and M1 Garands you moron.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, and no optics or local drones and other live intelligence sources

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Why would that matter to a modern .308/6.5/6.8 rifle with modern optics, a squad with drone surveillance and maybe even a small handheld drone controlled by someone in the squad itself for direct local recon.

              I agree it's probably not AS useful as some people on here are saying, but you can't expect to bring up WWII era rifles and not mention the VAST difference in everything else that would more easily allow for longer engagement ranges.

              Again, I'm not defending the XM7 here, just saying the idea in and of itself isn't complete moronation, and pretending we're still in WWII just makes you look stupid.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao, lose weight and lift weakling, no wonder its too heavy for you...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I imagine this is what most of you circumcised golems look like, fat, flabby, pasty white skin - utterly embarassing. SIG hat surely hiding a balding head.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Post physique, Ranjesh.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >t.scarecrow shitskin with dickcheese

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      man there are a lot of morons being very submissive towards the weight

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        empty weight is only 2 lbs heavier than the m4. most of it comes from the accessories which is a given on any rifle so its irrelevant to complain about.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Supposedly the suppressor alone is ~1.3lbs and I believe this is the first time the US Army will be issuing suppressors standard with every rifle, so that alone would add weight regardless of if you're using 5.56 or not.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Fulled kitted out M4 is like 9 lbs. This pig will weight 13-14 lbs. A 4-5 lb difference is massive on a shouldered rifle, especially when the cutoff that most people think is heavy when you surpass it, is 10 lbs.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > Fulled kitted out M4 is like 9 lbs
            lol no
            With a full mag you're already at just shy of 8lbs, throw optics, PEQ, suppressor, etc. and you can fairly easily break 10lbs on a kitted out M4.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Do morons itt seriously not understand that a 14lb rifle is completely unacceptable as your standard issue infantry weapon that needs to be used for urban combat, room clearing, suppression etc? It's not supposed to be a DMR. This thing is going the way of the SCAR

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The whole point of the program is to make a rifle for every role from muzzle contact distance to 1000m. It's the typical "solution to the last war thing", but at least this time it's because the last war was practice for the next war (urban occupation then scattered resistance in remote mountainous areas vs people with body armor and ar-15s)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Why the frick do you idiots keep regurgitating this martial law fantasy?
          >hurr durr the rifle is designed to be more effective against an diverse force with last generation equipment
          Soooo, basically the point of every next gen weapons system. Got it.
          Moron.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you gaggots get so assblasted every time someone points out that this is a viable role for a weapon being developed to replace a small arms pipeline that is perfectly sufficient for pretty much every other scenario

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Because it's not 5.56 and they're scared of something new.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >every other scenario
              Are you seriously implying the Nasty Girls are worried because Joe Blow Sixpack is rocking RMAs with no side plates? Motherfricker, a shooting war pops off stateside and they'll be on top of that Humvee with fricking beltfeds. That cone of fire doesn't give a shit about your NIJ rating. We saw them do it back in the Summer of Love when they were chewing up apartments and little girls with .50s.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm seriously implying that a mostly static defensive force shifting to ever lower quality pool of troops focusing on infrastructure protection and urban center control is absolutely an end user for this kind of shift in small arms after lessons learned in two theaters, one which was a perfect test bed for urban occupation LIC and remote threat small cell/decentralized guerilla insurgency. If you spent five fricking minutes in either space you'd concede there is merit to the argument. Yes. A large part of changing the ammo, complicating its manufacturing, augmenting and boosting the assists on the optics package, outranging the most prolific weapon on domestic soil, etc are all considerations of the ngsw program.

                Because every generation is meant to be better than the last, including against (domestic) insurgencies. The last generation "being sufficient for pretty much every other scenario" means there is room for improvement in EVERY area it could be fielded. It's the same reason why the F-35 was developed to replace the F-16. The F-16 is sufficient in most scenarios but the F-35 is better overall.
                If the XM7 is (supposedly) superior overall it is therefore reasonable to imagine it is superior against (domestic) insurgencies. However, to say it must have been designed specifically to counter (domestic) insurgencies because of this is backwards reasoning and ignores the actual design purpose: to be a better goddamn rifle.
                This persecution complex that the US gov't is intentionally designing weapons to kill citizens corrupts your judgment.

                >designed specifically to counter (domestic) insurgencies
                I actually don't disagree with your post, and if you look back I said it was a consideration, not the absolute reason behind the program. Just because the scenario I outlined applies accurately to the United States doesn't mean I'm solely claiming it is for domestic counter insurgency. Things can be done for multiple reasons and scenarios all at once. Yes 100% I believe one of those considerations is for domestic threats.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The point of contention is that the
                >next war
                in which the US military will be involved is not going to be the
                >urban occupation then scattered resistance in remote mountainous areas vs people with body armor and ar-15s
                fantasy that larpers love to rehearse for. The writing on the wall point us to a neer-peer conflict over pacific spheres of influence

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Again I ask why you and those like you get so assblasted over this idea and the fact that yes there are plenty of DHS and DOD documents, PowerPoints and thus considerations for internal threats on the homefront and that doctrine and procurement directly considers these things when deciding on courses of action.

                Do you really think it's inconceivable in the next week to 10 years there could be some degree of diffuse LIC in the US?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you really think it's inconceivable in the next week to 10 years there could be some degree of diffuse LIC in the US?
                To the scale that the main body of the US military will get directly involved in protracted campaigns against US civilians, without completely collapsing in on itself first? Yes. Accelerationists like you don't quite grasp the gravity of another civil war and how it would destroy the way of life of everyone here. The vast majority of people in this country would rather roll over and surrender their rights than bite the hand that feeds them the luxuries of the most advanced country on earth. Call it demoralization or whatever you want, but when push comes to shove I sincerely believe Americans will comply.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >US military will get directly involved in protracted campaigns against US civilians
                Spend a little more time around actual combatants instead of sitting behind your desk all day. Learn what diffuse LIC and policing actions entail. And continue to (willfully) ignore the "things are done for multiple reasons with variable weighting"

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Speak for yourself. We saw what the national level coordination resulted in on Jan 6: abject failure. If you genuinely think "we'll do better next time!" Be my guest and cast the first stone. And you can continue to (willfully) mistake the forest for the trees.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > urban occupation LIC
                > If you spent five fricking mI know, let's give everyone a magnum battle rifle for urban occupation
                > If you spent 5 fricking minutes in either space
                I'll concede you argued against your own thesis here, anon. 20 round mags of .260 Wby Mag recoil over 30 rounds of 5.56 is not what I would have picked if you made me go into some damn apartment building.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Summer of Love when they were chewing up apartments and little girls with .50s
                Medication

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Because every generation is meant to be better than the last, including against (domestic) insurgencies. The last generation "being sufficient for pretty much every other scenario" means there is room for improvement in EVERY area it could be fielded. It's the same reason why the F-35 was developed to replace the F-16. The F-16 is sufficient in most scenarios but the F-35 is better overall.
              If the XM7 is (supposedly) superior overall it is therefore reasonable to imagine it is superior against (domestic) insurgencies. However, to say it must have been designed specifically to counter (domestic) insurgencies because of this is backwards reasoning and ignores the actual design purpose: to be a better goddamn rifle.
              This persecution complex that the US gov't is intentionally designing weapons to kill citizens corrupts your judgment.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >This persecution complex that the US gov't is intentionally designing weapons to kill citizens corrupts your judgment.
                Hold on, let me put my sunglasses cause all this brightness is blinding me.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >(urban occupation then scattered resistance in remote mountainous areas vs people with body armor and ar-15s)
          Which is strange since it's not gonna help them one bit 🙂

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        "Ounces matter" is a foreign fricking concept to most of us, because we don't hump a rifle + soldier's load for a paycheck. Same reason you got guys on here parroting 6+1 with zero understanding of why.

        It's just not in most of our job experience.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It weighs 8.38lbs with a mag inserted per actual scales. This is psychological or from being out of shape or both.

      Do morons itt seriously not understand that a 14lb rifle is completely unacceptable as your standard issue infantry weapon that needs to be used for urban combat, room clearing, suppression etc? It's not supposed to be a DMR. This thing is going the way of the SCAR

      Good thing it's a bit over half that weight then lol.

      >around 13-14lbs with optic, suppressor, and full mag
      It really is a fricking BAR.

      The BAR was also used effectively by 130lb Depression babies who grew up on lentils who were in a far less mechanized force and had to walk everywhere.

      People today aren't just fat, they have never done significant physical labor and do get injured easily and underestimate adaptation.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, with a can, ammo in the mag, optic on top, and assuming potentially 1 or 2 other small accessories and you can easily hit ~13.5-14lbs on the XM7.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The full weight for milspec is 9.82lbs, that's with a suppressor and smart optic.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No it's not. That's with a can only.

            Ammo is another 1.4lbs, optic is likely another 1.5lbs, that brings you to ~13lbs before anything else.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >The BAR was also used effectively
        Not nearly as effectively as they'd have used an m4 though, right?

        I get it, my man. Miley is on record to congress back in 2017 saying they needed to punch holes through plates. If that's the name of the game, then 11Bs get to suck it up carrying more weight for less ammo.

        But we still haven't seen that general issue ammo pen those plates. If that shit doesn't materialize, frick rolling back to an upjumped m14 for shooting at palm fronds off Taiwan or wherever. Just keep the m4s for the assault element and let she support element have them b***hing new beltfeds.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The full weight for milspec is 9.82lbs, that's with a suppressor and smart optic.

        Your weight assumptions are incorrect. The optic weighs 21oz, the rifle filled loaded with .277 weighs in at a hair under 9.5lbs, the suppressor weighs 19.4oz, take all that and add it up you’re now looking at a rifle that weighs in right around 12lbs with absolutely no other furniture like a PEQ, Bipod, or any other multitude of furniture that may be used by military personnel. So yes, though my claim of a 13lb rifle is incorrect I’m off by approximately one pound. My claim was never that the rifle was unable to be lifted as many of you have misread. Simply that compared to a fully loaded M4 at 7.8 lbs it’s quite a significant weight increase.
        >t. Guy in picture

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >a light machine gun
        That the said 140lb lanklet had to have 2 others carry spare mags for it you fricking moron.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >The BAR was also used effectively
        yeah it can be used effectively but that doesn't make it optimal
        everyone back then also b***hed about the bar weight, bipod being too heavy, the thompsons weight (only 10 lbs and compact btw)
        this is also disingenuous because combat loads in ww2 were much less than they are now
        you can live without a kidney too

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >This did however directly translate to recoil on par with 5.56 out of a 20in AR.

      No that is because you were shooting low pressure civilian ammo.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The civilian stuff is still supposedly more powerful than .308

        It's roughly 7mm-06

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >7mm-06

          You mean 270 Winchester, zoomer?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Considering .270 Winchester and .280 Winchester (7mm-06) are almost identical.

            Sure whatever you say kid.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It is honestly depressing how moronic this board is these days. People responding to service rifle that weighs 14 pounds with “lift more lmao” might genuinely get in positions of power or management one day and that scares me

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Wait til you meet the people who will tell you "skill issue".

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Considering how overburdened soldiers are now, they already are.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like the ejection port isn't big enough. Weird how something in this position would have that issue, you'd think sig would have figured that out pretty early unless they literally never manually cycled with ammo loaded.

      The weight is going to be a problem. It's pretty clear this isn't actually going to be general issue but if it's heavier than an SR-25 with the same optic, why bother? Make a barrel for the SR-25 and stick the optic on it. That and a piston are the only significant differences anyway.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Were you shooting the all brass case ammo or the bubba's pissin hot hybrid steel case?

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pick up a weel gun

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEEAANS

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Holy shit, blast from the past.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The XM7 is the vengeful ghost of the Afghan War

    It turns riflemen into computerized killing machines

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the vengeful ghost of the afghan war
      please go back with your new Ultra-Giga-Killer XXLBBQ in 6.8 Hipster (its totally different from old full powered rifle rounds guys, pls stop laughing its not just a hipster 30-06) so we can see you fail to kill sheep fricking farmers wielding fricking WW2 Equipment for the third time mutt, its gonna be funny

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You have a discord account

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You don't have: a point

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Afghanistan was a complete fricking failure, and a waste of our time, money, and men. The current stock of infantry recruits coming in are too moronic and weak to use this obsolescent implement effectively.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Lessons from Afghanistan are not necessarily shit, however. The failure with Afghanistan, just as Vietnam before it, lay in strategy. But improving weapons with lessons learned there isn't, and shouldn't be accused of being, stupid.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The failure is that we tried to half-assedly brute force a solution, without first fully understanding what the problem is, and sticking to one goal only. Reintroducing a battle rifle is not an improvement, but it ultimately doesn't matter anymore when you could just call in airstrikes.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    *Teleports behind you*
    Heh, nothing personal kid.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If that gun comes in at less than or equal to 7lbs it looks to be a much better gun. I love how FN was like “yeah, the US army thinks it knows what it wants, but rather than build to their silly specs, lets not enter that competition and instead let the lab coat sporting high forehead types in RnD come up with novel solutions to small arms problems”.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/aFSDPOJ.jpg

        *Teleports behind you*
        Heh, nothing personal kid.

        I want one of these.
        I dont want an XM7 ever

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/jIORjXA.jpg

          If that gun comes in at less than or equal to 7lbs it looks to be a much better gun. I love how FN was like “yeah, the US army thinks it knows what it wants, but rather than build to their silly specs, lets not enter that competition and instead let the lab coat sporting high forehead types in RnD come up with novel solutions to small arms problems”.

          https://i.imgur.com/aFSDPOJ.jpg

          *Teleports behind you*
          Heh, nothing personal kid.

          One day you might come to actually like real rifles, don't worry about it too much.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/aFSDPOJ.jpg

        *Teleports behind you*
        Heh, nothing personal kid.

        I JUST WANT ONE OKAY?
        What this guy said:

        [...]
        I want one of these.
        I dont want an XM7 ever

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://soldiersystems.net/2023/01/16/the-fn-america-fna-previews-the-lightweight-intermediate-caliber-cartridge-licc-individual-weapon-system-iws-developed-for-the-irregular-warfare-technology-support-directorate-iwtsd/

        Apparently a fully loaded 25 round magazine weighs the same as a 30 round 5.56 magazine and according to the link above the whole system weighs less than 8lbs. I don't know if that's included with loaded mag+optic+suppressor but I'd be willing to bet the weight of the gun is on par with most M4s, while gaining increased energy at range at the expense of only 35 less rounds in a standard 6+1 combat loadout (175 rounds total) vs 70 less rounds when compared to the SIG XM5/XM7 (140 rounds total).

        With a negligible increase in weight/bulk if you go to a 7+1 standard loadout in lieu of 6+1 you get 200 rounds. Only ten rounds less when compared to a standard M4 loadout. You'd need a 9+1 loadout with the XM5/XM7 to get the same amount of ammunition.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          whats that lever doing? It's not on the other side

          https://i.imgur.com/aFSDPOJ.jpg

          *Teleports behind you*
          Heh, nothing personal kid.

          , which is weird because not ambidextrous.
          And is it known if what I assume is the BHO can be moved up AND down to either lock the bolt back manually or down to release the bolt?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Probably a takedown lever like on a FN FAL.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/jIORjXA.jpg

      If that gun comes in at less than or equal to 7lbs it looks to be a much better gun. I love how FN was like “yeah, the US army thinks it knows what it wants, but rather than build to their silly specs, lets not enter that competition and instead let the lab coat sporting high forehead types in RnD come up with novel solutions to small arms problems”.

      https://i.imgur.com/ssVBv5U.jpg

      https://soldiersystems.net/2023/01/16/the-fn-america-fna-previews-the-lightweight-intermediate-caliber-cartridge-licc-individual-weapon-system-iws-developed-for-the-irregular-warfare-technology-support-directorate-iwtsd/

      Apparently a fully loaded 25 round magazine weighs the same as a 30 round 5.56 magazine and according to the link above the whole system weighs less than 8lbs. I don't know if that's included with loaded mag+optic+suppressor but I'd be willing to bet the weight of the gun is on par with most M4s, while gaining increased energy at range at the expense of only 35 less rounds in a standard 6+1 combat loadout (175 rounds total) vs 70 less rounds when compared to the SIG XM5/XM7 (140 rounds total).

      With a negligible increase in weight/bulk if you go to a 7+1 standard loadout in lieu of 6+1 you get 200 rounds. Only ten rounds less when compared to a standard M4 loadout. You'd need a 9+1 loadout with the XM5/XM7 to get the same amount of ammunition.

      It's so beautiful…

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        $6,000 it was rumored. Only a rifle for the rich.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Adopted by exactly 0 out of 0 units. But I hope it gets picked up soon tho by SOCOM. Seems like a much better idea than the XM7.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What exactly is FN hoping for here? The XM7 already has over 25000 rifles ordered.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They're hoping for a SOCOM contract. SOCOM usually rolls their own gear and they tend to value mobility over weight, so it's possible that they will not adopt the XM7.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I guess, but seems like chump change compared to what SIG are getting for the NGSW.

          Just the first 2-3 years of orders and I think SIG already pocketed close to $1B.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They already ordered a few hundred Virtuses.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Das heißt Grüß Gott mit scharfem S du Untermensch

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All I have to say is it'll be fine. Contrarians can blow me.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Even if it's not AMAZING, i'm sure it'll be decent.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i think its cool

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >create necked down .308
    >make it .0001 inches different so its incompatible with .308 as a parent
    >get sweet .mil gibs
    >????
    >profit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, I'm pretty sure the army supplied the bullet dimensions and had them build around that.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The bullet yes, but not the cartridge.
        It's very clearly based off of the .308/7.62nato but juuuuust enough to make it wholly incompatible.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          they did that on purpose because the full load rounds intended for the military could potentially destroy a shit-tier .308 rifle.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            which isn't really solved, as the .308 chamber would be significantly longer than the .277 at the L1, I wouldn't trust a grunt to not just hit the forward assist/charging handle/whatever and force the bolt shut. the only thing keeping .277 from being chambered is being 0.007 thicker at the shoulder.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >ME HATE SIG ME WANT SIG GUN TO DO BAD

    find something tangible to get mad at

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >weight
      >capacity
      >recoil
      >cost
      >heavy ammo
      >ammo causing increased wear
      >muh overmatch
      Just off the top of my head

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Wow! Things that no soldier has yet to complain about and are only brought up by armchair generals (ie. you) and vetbro youtubers whose only firearm experience is passing quals. Go lift weights, you skinnyfat homosexual.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >soldiers have ever complained about gear weight
          Shut the frick up homosexual

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Mmm, never said that, Black person. I said they did not complain about the weight of the Spear. Now go lift, manlet, lest you develop spinal problems from carrying your LCP.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not him but no soldier ever complained about having to haul heavier equipment? People can lift heavier guns like LMGs. That doesn’t mean it’s fun lugging them around, especially the large portion of time they’re not firing it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >yet
          Hopefully they never will because cooler heads will prevail and drop this hot turd before its even crapped out. Lifting weights doesn't make the gun any less of a heavy POS. Sure won't make you any less of a bought-and-paid-for homosexual shill

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Its fun seeing individuals having a mental breakdown over a new superior weapon system being implemented.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Superior weight
      >Superior recoil
      >Superior cost
      Superior doesn't always mean better

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There are better guns.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Lel

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >not a bullpup
    boomers strike again

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    FX-05 actually fixed all the craptastic German autism that was wrong with the G36 and only kept the general style.
    Heinie got buttmad and tried to sue the beaners for copying the G36 but got BTFO in court.
    My big regret is I cant buy the FX right now. Youd think Mexicans would spot an opportunity and ship them Norte as semi autos but no

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >My big regret is I cant buy the FX right now
      rumor has it the will start selling them in .223 rem as semi autos in the comign years

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sure thing, Paco.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The whole program is just a huge contract grift with the main purpose of moving to a new caliber and fricking people out of surplus ammunition. The ultimate goal is to severely cuck their capability to acquire ammo.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Then why is the lake city ammo production facility not replacing the 5.56/7.62 production lines with 6.8x51?

      Instead they're building a WHOLE new building just for the 6.8x51 production so they can keep the existing 5.56/7.62 lines running without reducing the output capacity.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        sell the wunderwaffe to allied states.
        keep the m16 for yourself
        keep all the surplus 5.56 for yourself

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >clearly it's to ruin our ability to acquire 5.56
          >5.56 production remains unchanged
          >yeah well obviously it only looks that way on the surface :^)
          wew, if you're just gonna invent new fantasies to fit your narrative everytime you're proven wrong, there isn't much point continuing here.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You're trying way too hard glowBlack person homosexual. my favorite incidence of blowback from this latest big brain idea from the best and brightest is going to see how all the technowizard bullshit in the world can't pad an 85iq baseline

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              lmao, so when you have no proof of whatever inane bullshit you're spreading you just call me a glowie

              wewlad.

              Here, seethe more homosexual.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >no proof
                >20 years of war
                >Internal and publicly available documents
                >Specific criteria of ngsw program include things applicable to US civilians
                I argue with strawmanning bad faith homosexuals like you because it makes me chuckle. you're going to be one of the slaves, gay

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Black person shut the frick up, show me ANYWHERE the NGSW program requirements include things applicable to US civilians.

                If we want to bust lvl 4 plates, we ALREADY HAVE M993 and M995.
                Further, we likely already have a PRETTY good idea who in this country is well armed, and who has level 3 and level 4 rated rifle plates, especially anyone with a large stock of them.

                It would be TRIVIAL to get rid of these people BEFORE some sort of military take over, the fantasy that the government needs 6.8x51 and the XM7 to do it is just so fricking absurd it belies belief.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >belies belief
                It defies belief fricking autocorrect.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Effective range
                >Muzzle velocity
                >Gatekept (overcomplicated) ammo
                >Optics package
                >Weight makes it optimal for static and mounted operations
                There is a few. Meanwhile, your strawman insistence that I'm saying it is uniquely for scenario X vs considerations/follow on benefits in event of X+Y+Z plus ripping off tax payers plus giving technonerds a boner vs typical fighting the last war old disconnected flagstaff decision makers vs SIG lobbying scumbaggery vs SIG typical underbid then overcharge for ancillary products and support etc etc etc

                https://media.defense.gov/2021/Dec/20/2002912573/-1/-1/0/REPORT-ON-COUNTERING-EXTREMIST-ACTIVITY-WITHIN-THE-DEPARTMENT-OF-DEFENSE.PDF

                have a nice day

                Speak for yourself. We saw what the national level coordination resulted in on Jan 6: abject failure. If you genuinely think "we'll do better next time!" Be my guest and cast the first stone. And you can continue to (willfully) mistake the forest for the trees.

                >Jan 6
                Turn off the TV and lay off the weed dipshit. It makes it hard to think about anything more than 2 hrs removed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So you're a fricking moron.

                Yeah none of those things have ANYTHING to do with a proper military rifle.

                God damn, why do people like you not just have a nice day and save the rest of us the trouble of taking you out later when you finally snap.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah none of those things have ANYTHING to do with a proper military rifle.
                Do you wienersuckers think if you say something with feigned authority and repeatedly it manifests? Did all of you cumgarglers have to read the secret as mandatory material? Explain to me how an effective range of greater than 1000m with first hit probability percentage metrics weren't part of the ngsw criteria.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Again Black person, I never said they WEREN'T part of the requirements, what I'm saying is that those requirements OBVIOUSLY also clearly apply to an infantry rifle to be used against peer militaries.

                To say the ONLY use for that is to kill US civilians is fricking moronic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >
                >I never said they WEREN'T part of the requirement
                Really?
                >Yeah none of those things have ANYTHING to do with a proper military rifle

                >To say the ONLY use for that
                How many times are you going to say this you fricking c**t, when I explicitly and repeatedly ID it isn't the ONLY reason but it (domestic) sure as shit is ONE of the reasons? Again to my original question, why are you homosexuals so assblasted whenever someone IDs domestic armed civilians as a consideration of near peer advisary as IDed in your own fricking reporting/shrill clamoring for reactionary budget? Are you that ego protective that the plebs having to be considered at all ratfricks your brains that much?

                >resorts to (inaccurate) shitflinging
                Lol. Lmao, even.

                What's inaccurate? Did your boyfriend come down to your cubicle upset needing some support to deal with meanies on /k/ simply discussing the fact that NGSW is a clusterfrick and nothing good seems to come of it for the american people? Btw True Velocity should have won, dicksuckers

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>Yeah none of those things have ANYTHING to do with a proper military rifle
                That's sarcasm my dude

                The stress on ANYTHING means the opposite.

                Again, the idea this gun was bought to take out Americans is so fricking stupid you should feel ashamed for even thinking it made sense. Whoever fed you this bullshit is a fricking idiot, and the fact you ate it up just shows you're also a fricking idiot.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Again, the idea this gun was bought to take out Americans is so fricking stupid
                >Single reason
                >One
                >Uno senor
                And again. Back to task. Yup 1000000% it is A consideration. Not THE consideration

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Again, the idea this gun was bought to take out Americans is so fricking stupid you should feel ashamed for even thinking it made sense.
                Try harder, fed.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Damn bro calm down before you hurt yourself making all this shit up in your head. I know the liberals live there rent free but you're starting to hallucinate.
                >TV should have won
                Finally, something we can agree on.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.dhs.gov/news/2021/05/14/dhs-issues-national-terrorism-advisory-system-ntas-bulletin

                Quick. Bring up aliens using holograms to teleport holocaust survivors in to WTC 7

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Again to my original question, why are you homosexuals so assblasted whenever someone IDs domestic armed civilians as a consideration of near peer advisary
                Because if I was intent on murdering US insurgents in an urban LIC scenario, I damn sure wouldn't opt for a .308 gas gun over a 5.56 rifle, and I'd be even less likely to issue a 6.8x51 rifle in mass. If anything, MOUT is a significant argument for keeping 5.56.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Seriously, who the frick thinks a 14lbs battle rifle is the ideal gun for door kicking in the suburbs and cities?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And if you were to have to do so in a remote mountainous area like theater 2 after the urban policing was well under control and now remote resource extraction and vital infrastructure static defense was a priority?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Drones, bro. If the army is not working on a new MOS specifically for integrating recon drones armed with drop munitions and thermal/infared cameras at the platoon level, they soon will be. Manmade horrors beyond my comprehension at that point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Drones
                >Bridges
                >Tunnels
                >Highways
                It's almost like there is a weapon system package being designed to work in concert with such horrors

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Why not just talk about your plans after the nuclear war?

                Or the Zombie appocolyps?

                Like come the frick on, do you actually expect to be taken seriously when you're talking about what amounts to the end of modern civilization for 90%+ of the population?

                Why are you worrying about something that isn't going to happen, and if it does you're gonna be dead anyway.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Your egocentrism is on display. Me autistically insisting that part of the weighting of the ngsw program included increased lethality and qualitative edge over current equipment in the hands of THE GOVERNMENTS OWN WORDS potential future domestic threats has nothing to do with what I think the impact will be on me or what the state of society will be by the time this kind of consideration has to be tested in reality. You have Kleenex at your desk. It can be on call to serve as both a tissue and a cumrag, circumstance depending.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Having read this whole shitshow, I declare you the victor

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >resorts to (inaccurate) shitflinging
                Lol. Lmao, even.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It would be TRIVIAL to get rid of these people BEFORE some sort of military take over
                It sure would, glow buddy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So, you're doing it for free which is even worse.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >lives within 30 miles of the pentagon, CIA, NSA, DHS, etc.
                >doing it for free
                if you say so

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Instead they're building a WHOLE new building just for the 6.8x51 production so they can keep the existing 5.56/7.62 lines running without reducing the output capacity.

        I'll believe it when I see the the order for the machinery go through.

        LC has tried to get the wheel turning on an extension for more than a decade now, because they've been using every square inch they have available since the 80's. In the 00's and 10's they got new machinery, but that was to replace workers they couldn't retain, and because they have lines all the way from the 60's that they're making replacement parts for, in house, thst because the old guys retired, nobody knew how to run.

        This whole fricking thing reeks of F35, especially since adoption and budgets were rapidly passed not a week after Orange Man left office.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I mean it's clearly on the docket. You don't spend $1b+ on new rifles and LMGs just to not spend the $200m to build them an ammo production line.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I hate you /ktroonys/ so much. I am going back to grilling frick this bs thread.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Go grill your nutsack biiiiiiitttttcccccchhhhhh.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The fedzionjewglowies are in your walls

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >mostly static defensive force
    >lessons learned in two theaters
    >one which was a perfect test bed for urban occupation LIC and remote threat small cell/decentralized guerilla insurgency
    >one
    >uno
    There's that number again

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >16:30
    >time for 20 minute shit break before squirting to the garage 10 minutes early.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you sure have a lot of time to be making these inane posts
    almost like you're being paid to do it

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't weigh 14 pounds milspec. The difference from an M4 with everything is a bit over 2lbs, but also 10 less rounds.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    we were so close to being all cool and futuristic

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What are the odds that a bullpup gets adopted over an AR?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      bullpups are 1980s tech people realised was shit anon not future tech, stop reading your dads tom clancy novels

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I sexually identify as Rifle.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just posting the coolest ngsw gun that will never see the light of day. Frick steyr or Australia, the aug has so many improvements and we dont get any of them in the states.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno man, looks like a pretty real gun to me

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This thing is cool as hell.It's not going to replace the m4 but It will be great for people who need to go and get rid of a security team or something where you know there will be a couple of people in plate armor that need to die ASAP. It also seems to make shills and Pajeeta's so mad they need a vist from the Doc, so you know it has to be liquid kino.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm still confused how this is an Assault Rifle replacement and not a Battle Rifle. How's the LMG doing though? Still no quick change barrels?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Still no quick change barrels?
      By request of the army, yes.

      SIG still offers the LMG platform with a quick change barrel to other military/government customers that want it. The US army was pretty adamant about its removal though.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The US Army is reaching Marine Corps levels of moronation.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >By request of the army, yes.
        What the frick, army.

        > m249, quick change barrel
        > Stoner '63, same
        > Knights LAMG, yep
        > Ultimax mk 3/4, yes
        So what's the fricking theory here? Not my job, but the 240 is supposed to have a barrel swap every 2(!) minutes under rapid fire. I'm guessing 6.8x51 is a good bit hotter than 7.62x51.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No idea, but again the original LMG SIG submitted had a quick swap barrel and the army told them to frick off with that shit.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Apparently they think they don't need them for some reason. On one hand, this means weight savings not carrying a spare. On the other hand, that means they won't have a spare when they need it the most. I'm siding with the second because I'm confused what space metal is used that won't make it super hot after long firing.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            All.I can figure is that sustsined rate is listed as 100rds/min, while rapid is 200, for the m240. I dunno what the standard m249 loadout was, but it's probably safe to expect 50-75% of it with the m250.

            So maybe the theory is simply they won't have the ammo to burn the barrels out anyway.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I think that's the idea, and any situation where you think you're going to need more ammo you call in close air support, artillery, etc to bring the rain and the small arms become much less of a factor.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                trading ammo for more targeting comms, designators, drones etc sounds smart until that support doesn't work/come

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And if you're in that scenario, the extra 1200 rounds of 5.56 and an extra barrel or two for the LMGs spread throughout the squad probably wouldn't be the difference between defeat and victory.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Support element won't be ditching the m240s or the m3s, last I heard. I don't know how often guys in the assault element actually humped a 249 during a movement, but I don't see how having a much lighter option is a bad thing there. That b***h was still 20+lbs loaded.

                Imagine carrying that shit, plus additional belts of ammo on a split vest, plus armor, and all while doing the IMT hokey pokey across multiple football fields. And then some butthole pops his head up and you somehow have to shoot a heavy fricking 249 from the shoulder. Oof.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Is this why some PMCs use PKMs or lighter machineguns?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I hear that they plan on preferring precise aiming to suppress rather than more bullets but I find myself skeptical on having less bullets to fire all the same. Weight savings from carrying less but this whole NGSW thing tries giving soldiers less bullets to shoot,

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly 300 blackout needs to be the new standard given that most engagements will be close quarters where range isn't fricking necessary. Suppressed with subsonic ammo is the future.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it's because "battle rifles" are not a real thing, it's a retronym

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >80k psi of pressure
    Even .50 BMG is tamer than 6.8 Fury

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I am starting to doubt 6.8 M5/M7 system because it doesn't matter how far or powerful your bullet can hit, if the solders aren't hitting targets because they don't know where to aim.

    What we see very often in the field are soldiers just blindly shooting over cover because they don't want to get hit, but that prevents them from aiming. In these scenarios it is beneficial to have more ammo.
    But if you know where to aim, the tactics change completely.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Which is why you now have a smart optic to calculate distance and drop near-instantly.

      If you can take an accurate first shot at 500-800 meters that's going to be FAR more effective than the people you're shooting at who have to rely on iron sights or standard regular optics.

      The only reason you're inclined to blindly shoot from cover is that you don't know where you're getting shot from, or you're aware the odds of you being accurate at that distance means it didn't matter if you blindly shot or not.

      The entire point of the platform is to never be in that situation to begin with, and if you ARE in that situation it's because you put yourself there.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Will these soldiers use the equipment right or fumble it under pressure?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Good question, but since it's only (currently) being fielded among the close combat force (the proverbial tip of the spear) it should really only be given to well trained combat units.

          Obviously only time will tell as we can't know what will happen in 6-18 months when the gun actually issued.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Will these soldiers use the equipment right or fumble it under pressure?
          Nope, they'll never be endlessly trained on it once received and will just go into battle like a blind dog
          Jesus this thread is just one dumb take after another

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You'd be amazed at the negligence and avoidable mistakes of some soldiers.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If you overcomplicate systems, they tend to fail. In some cases it is acceptable (fighter jets, intelligence gathering, missiles) but for a field soldier? I wouldn't trust him taking care of himself, let alone expensive piece of equipment. This is also why I doubt all of this exo-suit power armor shit.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Afghanistan had them MIC shook

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So when are there gonna be parts kits and 80% lowers for this?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This specific gun? Probably never

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I await the day P80 makes a lower and jig for this piece of shit

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          and you still wont be able to buy an upper alone, so what the frick is your point?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Someone will eventually make reproduction uppers you moron.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Then it's no longer the gun in the OP so again, what the frick is your point?

              You can ALREADY buy short stroke gas piston .308 AR parts kits, 80% lowers, etc.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    P

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is it weird that now that this gun isn't getting widespread adopted that I now want it? .270 caliber with 80k psi case pressure is really cool for the civilian market.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >now that this gun isn't getting widespread adopted
      Says who? I mean, the army themselves only ever said they wanted ~120,000 guns in the next ~3-6 years. Which the XM7 is slated to deliver on.

      It was never meant to be more widespread than that.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >he believed the post from last week claiming the army was dropping the XM7
      lol
      lmao even

      don't trust unsourced posts on /k/

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        it was him lying about a shitty opinion piece on some shitty site.

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If the True Velocity submission had won, just think of what we could've had.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >just think of what we could've had
      frequent case head separations and 8 moa at 300m

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >8 moa at 300m
        That's pretty damn accurate for a machinegun. Sig says their new one averages around 10 MOA and the 249 it's supposed to replace is something like 12-14 on average.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I thought the TV ammo was more or less MOA out of the bullpup?

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Yep and?
    No one wants to sacrifice capacity for ballistics in a general use weapon where the average engagement distance is under 50 yards. That was the first thing the pencil pushers got wrong and it will lead to the ultimate rejection of the meme round.

    >Yep and?
    People who actually walk around with weapon systems and who get into gunfights don't give a frick if some pencil pusher is excited about the superior ballistics of a round if it means getting fewer rounds in their magazine, having more stout recoil slowing follow up shots, and not being able to carry as much ammo.

    The neo-marxist US army is deeply moronic and also sponsored various projects like the SCAR that were received terribly and immediately rejected. The new meme round is going to be a barrel burner. It's going to destroy parts. Everything about it is silly.

    It's obvious the point of the new meme round was to ban all military style weapons for civilians and then to immediately transition to the new meme round, cutting off the civilian supply chain. That was the point. Also, with the increased pressure and parts wear, weapons outside of the government supply chain would wear down quickly.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yep and?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It bad 🙁

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yellow gun bad.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yellow fan mad

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have so much respect for SIG for designing both a handgun and rifle that have caused more seething and rage from obese gamers than any other firearms products released in the past 25 years.
    There has never been more cringe clickbait exposes, essays written on forums, or shit flinged about a product that I can remember.
    She's so based, she's truly the most based rifle of all time.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ok rabbi.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        cringe

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I love you.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The best part is when GlockBlack folk cite the lawsuits against Sig and conveniently ignore how all of them were settled in Sig's favor or are still in limbo because the plaintiff's can't prove it was the gun's fault and can't replicate the alleged discharge as they described it. On top of that, two of the plaintiffs were even fricking moronic enough to ADMIT they put the gun, loaded, in a purse and a duffle bag, unholstered, with various other loose items inside said containers, and then threw and jostled the containers around. They bold faced admitted this and still thought they had a case. Honestly, I blame their attorneys more.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >honestly I blame their attorneys more
        Most of my colleagues know almost nothing about guns. Which is why it gets particularly hilarious when they try to make technical gun arguments to jurys in my state, where more than 50% of households own at least one gun. There was just a murder case recently where one of the defendants brought in some better-call-saul-ass motherfricker from DC who tried to argue that one of the victims was the real shooter because he had a cut on his thumb that defense counsel was saying was slide bite. The murder weapon was a .223. They were found guilty within two hours of the jury going out lmao.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >There was just a murder case recently where one of the defendants brought in some better-call-saul-ass motherfricker from DC who tried to argue that one of the victims was the real shooter because he had a cut on his thumb that defense counsel was saying was slide bite. The murder weapon was a .223. They were found guilty within two hours of the jury going out lmao.
          This sounds hilarious.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It was, the idiot had to hire two lawyers because when you bring a guy from out of state in pro hac vice you need local counsel too. And then the guy he went to all this trouble to bring in was a total clown and got absolutely mogged by the local guy that his co-defendant hired and the prosecutor. Whatever the guy paid him it was too much lol. Hope he got it up front because his client's gonna get life with parole when they sentence him in a month or so.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Do clients have any kind of say in the way the case is presented? Don't they work out what they're going to say in court ahead of time? Because I can't imagine being the client, hearing the lawyer was going to say that dumb shit, and not telling him the weapon was a rifle and the lawyer is moronic and needs to frick off.

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SIG won.
    Get over it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      But some anon lied about the army dropping the XM7, so SIG actually lost.

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't nu-SIG make a single fricking gun that wouldn't look absolutely abhorrent and soulless?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      wat? the p320 looks good. the long one even more.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It looks like a toddler's drawing of a gun.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Keep it simple stupid

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No one cares about your subjective kvetching israelite

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >CEO is ~~*Ron Cohen*~~
        lul
        Captcha: NYGWH

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Jews don't neurotically b***h about everything including especially other things made by israelites
          No one cares about your subjective kvetching, israelite

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >20 round

    Why tho?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because 30 round mags are too long and don't allow you to shoot normally when prone.

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i want one

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