You use the back to establish a cheek weld. You tuck both arms into body, and have your off-hand gripping the magwell. The ability to move like this is absolutely insane compared to having a stock. You can whip this gun around like it is a fucking glowstick.
Going to put a 1-6x Trijicon Accupoint on it with a riser. Should allow for 200yd shots. Also going to upgrade the padding to be an orthopedic sole pad.
I bet the 9" 7.62x39 Bren 2 that CZ has would do this really well too.
Yeah
this is a known thing, people call them 'cheek pistols'
the idea seems pretty neat, i'd like to try one out
Isn't this a .22?
yeah
Fuck ya mudda
>cheek pistol meme
sure you can theoretically quickly acquire a target but you lack basically all control of the weapon. just learn sling tension shooting if you arent willing to put on a stock.
>but you lack basically all control of the weapon
WAY more control than any normal handgun. Slightly less control than a stock when magdumping. Perfectly adequate control to make individual, ranged shots. ESPECIALLY when you consider that you get a rail, and can have magnified scopes.
>more control than a handgun
>by removing your ability to lock out your arms to actually control recoil.
>magnified scope on anything you could actually cheek weld
im sure there's no reason that nobody ever thought of it or applied it in the last 100 years of modern warfare until some fat boomer and a scrawny hippy made a video about it. it must be a great idea and not retarded.
TRY IT BITCH
I WILL ADMIT THAT I HAVE FOUND MATERIAL COVERING THIS TECHNIQUE PRIOR TO MY OWN DISCOVERY
BUT I CAME ACROSS THIS ON MY OWN
IT IS GOOD
IT IS FAST
IT IS ACTUALLY SO FUCKING FAST LMAO
>try it
yeah when i watched the inrange video on it i tried it and determined that it was retarded. sling tension shooting is superior. you shouldnt need a magnified optic on any weapon you could actually bother to try to cheek shoot.
> you shouldnt need a magnified optic on any weapon you could actually bother to try to cheek shoot.
are you actually fucking retarded? do you not understand how human vision works naggers? with a 1-6x scope, I guarantee after a day of training, you could have near retards popping motherfuckers at 300yds with 9mm all day out of a ~8" barrel.
simple as.
you cannot tell me that is not useful. my gun would be better as the 4.2" micro variant, I will admit, but even this is INSANELY maneuverable.
m193 loses nearly all of its fragmentation capability at 300 yards. why would 9mm be lethal at that range? do you have zero ballistic knowledge on top of having retarded shit takes? even with +p ammo and a longer barrel you're effectively limited to 200 yards with 9mm. get a sling and a dot retard.
ok. let me shoot at you from 300 yds with my Scorpion when I get my Trijicon installed.
.22lr will kill at that range. stop fucking around and understand that the guns you wield are often more dangerous than even you think, given your constant subjection to caliber debates and other bullshit that detract from the fact that having high speed metals lacerate your body tissues is not good to maintaining good health.
speer gold dot will go trans sonic at 200 yards out of a 16 inch barrel. youre going to miss because you dont understand ballistics.
>.22lr will kill at 300 yards.
you'd be lucky if .22lr would penetrate a human skull or rib at 100 yards. good luck getting a kill from 300 lmfao. maybe you should go hunting and try taking out a deer at that distance. with your 9mm. tell me all about how well that goes.
>you'd be lucky if .22lr would penetrate a human skull or rib at 100 yards
Let me ask a basic question. Where does cheek-welding your PRR without a stock/brace go wrong? Why is it bad? It is 100% faster at clearing rooms than my 16", unsuppresed, stocked AR15. I have tried. Multiple times.
not 100% it is not lierally twice as fast (I'm so drunk rn), not trying to imply that. but seriously, I think this is a good idea and I enocurage others to try it
>reddit finger
>balistics dummy
lol. i guess if youre shooting people without skin or muscle tissue then yeah it can break a lab approximation of a human rib that isnt actually as thick as a human rib. you sure got me anon. that reminds me of a time i watched a man shoot a trapped hog in the heart with a 16" ruger pcc and the 9mm broke but was turned away by its rib at 20 yards.
>faster at clearing rooms than an ar
its a school night and past your bed time anon.
I'm not a noguns nagger. Go ahead, tell me why I am slower with the AR15, which I have owned for a year prior to even buying the scorpion (I thought it was useless for over a year, due to not having a stock).
I have cleared my house dry multiple times with both. The scorpion is faster.
>fat
> holosun
>m&p
alright you had me. good troll.
not an argument. I would break my hand across your face, homosexual bitch. little cunt motherfucker. non-truth accepting motherfucker. deliver an argument motherfucker. or accept you are wrong motherfucker.
sorry anon but you overplayed your hand with the taped maglight. if you wanna keep the troll going next time youre going to have to take it off. maybe hide your feet.
I'm not fat motherfucker. I can run laps in my hallway for 20 mins before having to stop.
Anyway, I REALLY think a 7.62x39 9" Bren 2 would be insane. Most power gets burned at that length with 7.62x39, and the bigger boolet allows for getting through cover easily when targetting unarmored threats.
>speer gold dot will go trans sonic at 200 yards out of a 16 inch barrel
I forgot subsonic projectiles are non-lethal.
you know when a bullet passes the sound barrier the other way it shakes right? its going to be thrown off. and yes a missed shot is nonlethal. im glad you understand the basics of shooting anon.
why do gun guys act like bullets aren't deadly? you don't see this shit from normies.
yes a .22 will penetrate your skull at 300 yards. yes a 9mm will kill you at 300. and 3,000.
maybe you can survive with immediate medical attention, but if you get shot at 300 yards you lost the gunfight. you aren't returning fire for a kill now.
>a missed shot is nonlethal
nice job moving the goalposts
if .22 is so lethal then why doesnt any military in the world use it? it would be so light weight and compact and every soldier could carry enough ammo for 10 gunfights?
>moving goal posts
do you not know what trans-sonic means? or how that effects the bullet?
you can tell by his feet that he's very fat and inactive and likely partially if not completely latinx. if lifting weights was a solution for him he wouldnt be shilling retarded shit like cheek shooting.
>do you not know what trans-sonic means?
yeah, it means that you're a furry and a tranny. oh no, a widdle wobbly buwwet. I can't hit wit dat. so why was your first argument about penetrating bones and you switched over when you got btfo?
>Please note that the requested range of 3000 yards is larger then the bullets theoretical maximum range of 1179 yards. The plot line and chart may be cut off prematurely.
miami dade shooting
shooter takes a 9mm bullet through the arm, through the brachial artery, through his ribs, through his lung.
the shot is fatal but the gunman (not on drugs) continues to actively engage FBI agents with his mini14 for another 3 minutes and injuring several officers before attempting to climb into an fbi car and succumbing to his wounds.
homosexual anon on 4cuck says:
>"durr if you take a 9mm shot at 300 yards youll be incapable of fighting back. omoa mou shindeiru all according to keikaku" (TL: keikaku means plan)
There is like a 99% chance your stupid ass doesn't even own a shot timer. People like you always think they're fast with their stupid ass impractical setups.
>by removing your ability to lock out your arms to actually control recoil.
Ah, yes. Outstretched arms lending 100% of their stability to contracted muscles. That's how the most precise aiming positions in the world are done; by using as many muscles as humanly possible.
you're retarded
>t. Demonstrated Concepts
The pistol grip arm flexed in to the torso does just fine with intermediate calibers.
>push pull
Yep. It's just about handiness in a more capable PDW form factor.
Minute of Man beyond 200 is a compromise for having something outstripping PCCs for practical accuracy within the envelope.
Fucking voda consulting ass nibba.
SBR OWNERS ON SUICIDE WATCH
senpai its over. just learn to shoot a handgun well.
I unironically want a backwards facing Ar pistol grip to do one of these in .300blk, with better ergos. That Rhett guy is actually really smart even if he sounds like he's done too much acid on disc golfing trips
The megaphone-style grip seems good. I might tape up my grip a bit to make it more "vertical"
With the Scorpion (and presumably the Bren 2), one can likely shoulder the weapon my making the grip more vertical. This would also make it easier to hold at this very condensed position.
This position is TINY compared to a normal PCC with a stock. AND, because my offhand is so close in, I can keep it affixed to my body, adding another (half?) point of contact.
have you considered AR pistols? if you deepthroat the buffer tube, you get infinite speed and a unique first-person perspective like in those old-school fps games with the weapon in the middle of the screen
with enough practice you'll "zero" your eyesight and won't even need a scope to aim
can someone explain to me what's the point of all these innovative half-retarded ways to hold your weapons? alright, "the ability to move like this is absolutely insane", what's next? you can't compete with a pdw because it's not legally a rifle and gives no real advantage over a pistol because you have to shoot body targets at 20 yards, if you train like that too much - you'll get brain damage, you have no reason to hunt like that, and in a hypothetical cqb room clearing scenario it will maybe increase your odds of survival from 5% to 6.5% but does it really matter
all in all, if you can't whip a scorpion around like it's a glowstick - you need to lift weights
if you can't hit shit at 200 yards out of a pdw - try leaning on something lol, are you training for a duel in the middle of a flat desert or something jesus christ
it might seem insane to you but some people actually like experimenting in their hobbies
you're so stupid you can't even tell the cheek pistol format is a type of pdw, holy shit
I developed something similar to this though I taped two genuine CZ Scorpion™ EVO 3 S1 Pistols together end to end. I've found I can shoot nearly twice as fast and the recoil of the guns firing at the same time cancels the other out, although I've found a gyrating motion similar to a shake-weight also works. Really glad you shared your insights and experimentation tonight anon.
>anon invents the recoilless rifle
SBRS BTFO
BUFFER TUBES BTFO (MORE LIKE BUFFERING NOOBS LMAO)
God damn this thread is exactly something I would expect from a Scorpion owner lmao
*SNORTS*
put foot pad on it. I NEED a riser and optic IMMEDIATELY. I cannot look down the irons unless I place my face BEHIND the gun.
Now now now now now.
jesus christ man
If you put a Mora Companion into the grip, it nudges perfectly into your body when doing a position similar to
(with cheek weld on gun in same spot). Thinking that I will glue the companion into the grip, as well as tape up the handle and stuff a bit to make it more comfortable on my body (I am think so it juts into my ribs).
It has been done. No glue, just good old gorilla tape again.
Sorry, what arguments about "muh recoil?"
This is it in more even lighting
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Cool catch.
>cheek weld
Is a total meme esp in CQ. Made up to sell seminars.
>You tuck both arms into body, and have your off-hand gripping the magwell. The ability to move like this is absolutely insane
>tactical turtle strikes again!
Or you could relax, learn to point shoot and actually move faster instead of creeping around like you need to shit so badly it's poking out your pucker.
For the love of God, OP. Wipe off your camera.
IT IS NOT GREASE. MY LENS IS GONE. THERE IS NO LENS. IT SHATTERED WHEN I THREW MY PHONE AWAY IN A GARAGE BECAUSE A SPIDER APPEARED ON IT (a real spider too)
it works so well guys
even placing my face behind to see the irons is comfortable. I could even imagine a new gun design with a third "spoke" coming out from the top, and resting on top of your head/helmet. It would need to be thin and strong of course to preserve visibility. It seems that this concept is all about establishing points of contact. From being tight and having your elbows on your body, to having your head on the weapon/in line with an optic, to having your grip extend into your body/down your arm. However, it is IMPORTANT that none of these points of contact extend past the grip/back of hand when pulled in. Doing so prevents the ability to flip the gun around as easily, which negates the benefit of this system.
With stocked weapons, if you are an average rightie, driving to your right with the muzzle is far more difficult than the left. With this system, driving to the right is SIGNIFICANTLY easier, and I find myself having my aim EXACTLY where I want it essentially all of the time. If you have a buffer tube/stock going past your hand, you can no longer twist the gun to your right as easily. Simple as.
To put it another way: I am able to aim and take a deliberate shot (with a scope I imagine ~200-300yd shots on man-sized targets) literally directly behind me by either turning left OR right with ONLY my hips. NO movement of my feet. NO adjustment of my gun position in relation to my body.
Just movement of hips/head and of course slight usage of my arms (but they stay tucked into my body)
I was able to just now replicate this with my AR10, but it feels NOWHERE near as fluid.
What makes it feel fluid is obviously the ability to get entirely behind the gun and twist it however violently you feel is appropriate.
WHILE MAINTAINING VISUAL OF YOUR OPTIC
Why do always we get a bunch of boring, conspiracy brained schizos? We need more eccentric types like OP. This thread has been a real trip. Keep us updated on your shenanigans in the future, you greasy bastard.
Yeah but you can't aim for shit like that even with a laser. It's called a bullpup, that's basically the whole concept. Perfect CQB rifle would be a bullpup in 7.62x39.
A bullpup gains its definition from the position of the chamber in relation to the grip. The CZ Scorpion is very distinctly NOT a bullpup.
When the chamber is behind the handle, guess what? You can no longer twist as easily. A bullpup would be a bad idea. NOTHING should extend past the grip.
Again, can't twist.
>t. Demonstrated Concepts
I actually only knew of a .22lr video he did with a Ruger LCR. I came up with this idea when very drunk and fucking with my Scorpion in my spare gun room.
Can't twist.
whoops wrong photo
>meme gunfu for pcc's and noodle armed retards who can't shoot a handgun competently at any distance
yes tell me more
perhaps video of a force on force demonstration with everybody's favorite wax bullets
>if there is nothing at the rear of the receiver, there is no brace or stock to be ruled against
why wouldnt you just use something like this and rest the buffer on top of your shoulder? you get another point of contact. you still get to practically apply it like a cheek pistol but you get more firepower, range, and a gun that isnt a csoy. or better yet something that already exists to fill the roll of a more compact and wieldy rifle platform like a bullpup.
I prefer to use my laser rifle. No recoil and its accurate to the horizon. Not sure why ya'll still use primitive slug throwers powered by chemical explosions. Very bizarre.