Like that guy that invented the Pet Rock? You see, that's what you have to do. You have to use your mind and come up with some really great idea like that. And you could make millions! Never have to work again!
You know there are people in this world who don't have to put up with all this shit?
I could kill myself and i would never have to work
people who kill themselves are cowards, and that's all they'll ever be remembered as.
i think of ways to escape everyday
One of the reasons why I work in the trades is because going to the same office 5 days a weeks every week for years made me insanely depressed. At least I'm at a different job site every week and get to create something practical while shooting the shit with the guys. Even then, I still feel empty every so often. Creating things with my own creativity and mechanical skills keeps the depression at bay. I hope everyone on this board enjoys what they do and continues to live a better life as the days go by.
Oh cool a hip trady he spends 80% on the road and the rest he gets to "see interesting job sites" kys. My job pays me to go to interesting conferences to take notes every once and awhile. The rest of my time is with my family in my cozy house.
I'd much rather work with him than you.
I hope the same for you.
Thanks for your sincerity.
Nobody that’s happy tells others to kill themselves because they made a post about what jobs they like. You’re miserable and your family is probably the same being in your presence. Get better.
unironically have a nice day
Well I’m actually happy so I don’t think I’ll be doing that sweety.
I always wondered what it's like to work as a paid trans rights activist. Could you tell me your story of how you made it into a career?
>Interesting conferences and note taking
Lmao homosexual, imagine finding that fun
Work is joy. Imagine sitting at home all day. You will become a degenerate in no time. I greatly enjoy driving through a beautiful sunset on my way to a customer to do another installation and leave behind a satisfied person who has gotten a slightly better life because of the technical service I provided him. Especially if it is high priority stuff like a roof leak or an electrical fault.
But you go enjoy your porn and videogames.
I am German by the way.
i didn't know there were foreigners on this board. is DIY popular in germany?
>i didn't know there were foreigners on this board
how the frick have you missed all the
>"Does america really?"
seething yuropoors?
Does America really do X when it comes to anything to do with electricity is a staple of PrepHole. Also cardboard houses due to muh drywall over OSB McMansions.
>Work is joy.
I am glad to hear another man say this.
>I am German
And doubly glad that there's still Germans in Germany.
This is true but the work my heart yearns for is not work that earns money. Do I suffer at the hands of a job or do I suffer at the hands of poverty?
>Work is joy. Imagine sitting at home all day.
There are other things you can do besides working and sitting at home, you know.
I'm sorry. I don't understand your English
I work from home and I think it’s great. No commute, wife makes me breakfast and coffee while I’m working, I can loudly say “what the frick” without reprimand, and I feel more pressure to get shit done lest they tell me I need to go back to the office cause I’m not productive enough
Deutsche-bro, insanely based. I will be visiting your beautiful country in Juni.
What sites do you recommend? Also the German people must rise again and violently break their EU and NATO chains.
(Free) America is with you!
Okay Ivan from Idahoe oblast/coping saw.
Did it escape you that EU/NATO in preventing further wars and conflicts like in Ukraine with Russia right now is more beneficial than any "oy vey we don't fund the NHS properly and give tax breaks to the top 1% but leaving the EU will fix that trust me goy" that only ended up kneecapping britain kek.
Had their mindset changed with the end of the british empire they'd not have been this stupid lmao.
oops looks like idgaf about bettering the lives of others and only care about myself guess I can only enjoy sitting at home all day
>. Imagine sitting at home all day.
You mean like... retirement... which everyone works hard and saves up lots of money to do...
Anon you have a very skewed view of the world....
Except that he’s correct.
An American investment banker was at the pier of a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked. Inside the small boat were several large yellowfin tuna. The American complimented the Mexican on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took to catch them.
The Mexican replied, “only a little while. The American then asked why didn’t he stay out longer and catch more fish? The Mexican said he had enough to support his family’s immediate needs. The American then asked, “but what do you do with the rest of your time?”
The Mexican fisherman said, “I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take siestas with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine, and play guitar with my amigos. I have a full and busy life.” The American scoffed, “I am a Harvard MBA and could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds, buy a bigger boat. With the proceeds from the bigger boat, you could buy several boats, eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman you would sell directly to the processor, eventually opening your own cannery. You would control the product, processing, and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then LA and eventually New York City, where you will run your expanding enterprise.”
The Mexican fisherman asked, “But, how long will this all take?”
To which the American replied, “15 – 20 years.”
“But what then?” Asked the Mexican.
The American laughed and said, “That’s the best part. When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich, you would make millions!”
“Millions – then what then?”
1/2
The American said, “Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take siestas with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos.”
2/2
The thing is, with the Mexican way, something goes wrong, he breaks an arm or a storm comes in and wreck his boat or something killed all the fish, he and his family would be SOL, while the little hat man will allow him to frick around through nearly every single disaster known to men, save for a nuclear war. So, fish a little more, save it up, build a distribution pipeline and hire your own crew, but dont move to America and play their games.
Also applies to drug trafficking btw.
The Mexican lives on an island with a communal support network and strong familial bonds, who will help him and his family. Unlike the American, who when times are tough will be pounced upon by his competitors and abandoned by his family for “not providing for them.”
I cant understand why more people don't see it like this, chasing after the wrong things and just delaying what you really want and what actually matters. I was the anon threatening to quit the corporate world, and I know I'd get a ton of shit from my family. Grandpas motto is 'you're not supposed to like it, thats why they pay you'. Spent my childhood listening to rants against sports since my dad believes any diversion from physical labor is pointless. My sister defends glaringly obvious character flaws with 'well they make more money than you'. Great aunt lived by 'its just as easy to fall in love with someone whos rich'. One of my cousins has texted me twice in my life, first to try to sell me insurance and then to try and be my financial adviser.
Lets all quit, find our trad wives, go homestead in the mountains and raise 8 kids.
The story is great and all, except its not reality for anyone on this board. In fact its pretty rare.
You werent born as the mexican fisherman who has a several generations of family living in an old house and work with several generations of family fishing.
>I cant understand why more people don't see it like this,
You dont understand why people are pragmatic about their situation in life?
Mr Corporate world, have you looked into the cost of decent fertile land you can homestead on?
Do you know how much time it will take you to live like a poorgay to save up?
Do you have a wife? Does she agree you should live a life of poverty (while having 2 good incomes) just so you can go live on a homestead which still feels like a life of poverty?
In this day and age, to retire early and homestead like you are dreaming, you literally have to have a good job while also having a wife who also has a good job to have a decent quality of life, plus having extra left over to save up.
Most people dont have that sort of income.
You really cant figure out why people would just find a wife, have some kids, use your decent income to go on vacations, buy nice toys, take your wife out to dinner and go to events. All while saving up to retire once the kids are grown and gone, where you can slow down and do as you please?
There is a reason everyone does it and its far less common for people to go innawoods and live off the land.
Living a normal life, with a normal wife, and normal kids is fulfilling in and of itself.
>You dont understand why people are pragmatic about their situation in life?
these people are not pragmatic at all. Mcmansions are not pragmatic, neither are new cars, subscription services, private school loans, eating out for every meal, constant traveling, etc... I got coworkers dumping their kids off in daycare within 6 months since they need to get back to work to pay for the mortgage on their 2200sqft house that they absolutely needed to buy during the height of covid. Its a treadmill of spending without thought so they figure they just need to be more successful.
>Mr Corporate world, have you looked into the cost of decent fertile land you can homestead on?
yes, and I already have enough
>Do you know how much time it will take you to live like a poorgay to save up?
already did it without even trying
>In this day and age, to retire early and homestead like you are dreaming...
I'm 33 and have myself setup where I could survive on minimum wage in an above average cost of living area. Already have an acre and will get to gardening this year.
I am probably leaning hard in other direction from my experiences growing up, but toys, vacations, and all that other stuff doesnt mean shit when your parents arent around most of the time to teach you anything and just yell at you for not appreciating their sacrifices when you already have everything you physically need. My main point is that the majority of people could dial it back a bit, I may want to go full moron, but so many people are just on the treadmill, a layoff away from destruction, that I find it mind boggling they've lost sight of what's actually important.
> I find it mind boggling they've lost sight of what's actually important.
Anon, with all due respect it sounds like you have lost sight (or never had the sight in the first place) of whats actually important to most people.
Im curious in your own words, what you think is "actually important"
Because I think buying a nice dwelling to live in, in a nice safe neighborhood, driving nice safe cars, putting your kids in nice safe schools, giving them good quality food and great childhood memories is whats important.
Enjoying yourself when you are young and able bodied is whats important. Having a loving wife and children who feel secure growing up is whats important.
Watching your kids grow up, move out, grow old and retire.
I get it. You grew up with a shitty home life.
Listen to yourself.
You hate how black and white, extreme your family was about things like work and money.
Here you are doing the SAME EXACT THING, you clearly learned well from them.
Hard line, no frivolous houses or cars or movies games and subscriptions or eating out or vacation and traveling.
Nothing
Living to merely survive off what you can homestead.
And thats whats "actually important"
Having a large family growing up and living a reclusive life like the amish?
It sounds like you have some childhood trauma you need to work through quite honestly anon.
>muh childhood trauma
>simping for the rat race
really pulled out all the reddit arguments for some drunk bullshitting
>And thats whats "actually important" Having a large family growing up and living a reclusive life like the amish?
yes
>implying mcmansions are nice
>implying expensive cars are safe
>implying subscription services will give your kids good childhood
you are in /dyi/, brother, no one buys your consumerism gospels
>reads post that says time with family is more important that material goods
>goes on diatribe about dualistic thinking and unprocessed trauma while characterizing it as being Amish without a hint of self awareness
Many such cases
based succinct poster. I didn't have the words to condense all that moronation into a single sentence.
Thanks. I just get tired of the armchair psychology. I am guilty of it myself though. At the end of the day we’re all looking for an elusive peace and we really have more in common than different. I could be more compassionate to people here when they irritate me. We all have points to make.
Not to mention none of these homesteader dreamers have any idea how they're going to pay property taxes on their land. I get that its zoomers daydreaming, but they should be aware of basics.
There's people out there working 3 jobs to pay rent, this shit is stupidly out of touch with modern day society
>Anon you have a very skewed view of the world....
Explain to me, I dont understand anon.
If you're rich you can still fix toilets and build sex swings for people, the point is that you don't have to.
Had this idea for a kind of lockbox that would incinerate anything you put in it when triggered remotely. I would sell it to drug dealers. Any venture capitalists out there?
Good work if you can get it.
I grind an office job but I dont take it seriously.
I do real things in my free time like working on my cars or working on my piece of land.
Once my house is done I am planning to do other things but untill then I play the big corporate game and take their sweet easily earned money.
Next year I will take some time of and become a licensed electrician. (Meister) in germany.
>other germangay
>picrel is a shed I built last year
Tried to do this in America.
Black folk stole the sheet metal roofing while I was at work, but for some reason left the 80lb spool of horse wire alone.
Guess they either were too weak to pick it up or didn't think the scrap metal would be worth it.
>Next year I will take some time of and become a licensed electrician
How does this work in Germany? In the states you have to grind for 4 years as an apprentice.
I think about it but I don't want to go back to wages that are less than a cashier for 48 months. I already make pretty decent pay subcontracting piecework and it's independent.
>In the states you have to grind for 4 years as an apprentice.
Here its 3 years for the basic education. After that you can work as an electrician.
The pay was not that bad. You work at a company and spend 1/3 of the time in school.
(every third week)
Had 200€ left for the month when all the bills were paid. (1200€ total in the last year)
Sure not much but enough to survive.
There is also some basic training that can be done within a few weeks but then you usually just plaster wires into walls.
I am a regular electrician, specialized in automation (production lines and power plants)
The so called "Meistertitel" is basically a senior degree for your profession.
You need several years in experience to be able to do that.
There is nothing compareable in the US. The closest thing is a bachelor degree.
You also need the "Meistertitel" to be able to run your own company here in germany.
Cant just start a business and work as an independet electrician.
I am planning to get that "Meistertitel". One day I might start my own business.
>In the states you have to
Every state has different standards. Many states do not license electricians at all. Why make up garbage?
In most of the cases you won't find a harder grind than in Germany. You will earn between 700 to 1200€ for 3.5 years which is incredible little money to live on (people on social security receive about 1200 depending on the area they live in. Minimum wage is about 1450). And people tend to forget the extra costs if you do it independently because it's uncommon. Most people do an apprenticeship directly after school when they are under 25 and the parents automatically pay for health insurance etc. and also very often the housing. If you're alone you will have to pay health insurace, taxes and social security contributions on that little money.
A small city apartment starts at around 400-500€/month. On the countryside it may be cheaper but not by much. So depending on your salary and living situation that will leave you nothing to a few hundred € to eat, pay for internet, transportation etc. Cost of basic groceries have gone up 50-100% last year.
A "Meister" (master craftsman) costs up to 10k€ on top. There are some state run help programs but i don't know the conditions. However if you finish your Meister and also saved enough money to start a business (which also takes A LOT of money because again, Germany.., you can get away with a few k but personally i would always go the route with a limited for liability reasons. You're working on peoples most expensive belongings after all. So plan on 25k€) you can earn very good money as long as you don't do stupid shit. There are ways around it but that means a lot of disputes with authorities and there's no guarantee. I would save up beforehand to get you through the rough first years. Also industrial (power plant and grid) pays a lot more than residential. You don't need a Meister to earn good money there.
>Minimum wage is about 1450
Oh btw. that is net pay after health insurance etc. so to compare it to gross pay 700-1200 it would be 1920€ a month. Though contributions get much lower the lower the salary is. That's why migrants rarely do apprenticeships (besides language and cultural barriers) you'll live a lot better, at least for 3.5 years, just doing minimum wage work or doing nothing and living of social security.
hate my job, hate the corporate world. I do absolutely nothing about 75% of the time, still out perform majority of my coworkers. the two most useless fricks in the group make more than me simply because theyve been there longer. Nothing is rewarded, nothing is punished. Everything is confusion. Most productive hours of my day are spent playing pretend, and I feel like doing nothing but stare at the ceiling when I get home. I don't know why I'm doing this, no wife or kids, wtf is the point.
I'm starting my own business, most of the paperwork is done, will likely be up and running this month. If I make even the tiniest amount of money I'll quit that corporate shithole and go all in.
Good luck, man. It's terrible what a typical 8-5 does to someone's mental health. Working for yourself is so much better as long as things work out.
old japanese had a concept called ikigai, in relation with work you should fulfill 4 points
- Do something you love
- Do something the world needs
- Do something you are good at
- Do something you get paid for
If you hate your work you should consider alternatives, life is too short
Meanwhile current year Japan has world-leading suicide rates among salarymen and an epidemic of neets/hikkos who won’t even leave the house things are so bad. Seeking life satisfaction through work is a fools errand. Just sayin’
is an old concept, i looked it up and is around 1000-1200 years old but makes sense to me.
It’s very sensible, as many pre-industrial traditions were in that context. Things have changed, and not all for the better.
I like my job, my grades were good enough to go to Med School but what's the point if you do it for the money and hate every second of it?
So you can acquire as much currency as possible in as short a time as possible then never have to work again, same as any job.
>acquire as much currency as possible in as short a time as possible
Kek that is not a career in medicine.
>4 yrs college studying something you will forget
>4 yrs med school starting to learn the things you will need
>5yrs surgical residency making $50-70k/yr working 60-90hr weeks (You don't want to go into primary care making $120k with your $400k student loan debt now do you?) Basically just holding down the interest payments.
>1 year fellowship making $80k
>finally, 14 years out of high school at minimum, with gray hair from perpetual lack of sleep, a social circle that's smaller due to uprooting your life to live at different medical centers across the country, take your first job making 500k.
>You're such a high earner you get taxed $200k of that
>as a surgeon you need malpractice insurance for $80k if it's not paid by your employer. If it is, they may cuck you by not providing tail coverage for after you leave or retire.
>make 200-300k, have gray hair, and a wife that wants kids if you don't have them already, and a super busy schedule so you can't PrepHole to save money like you used to.
>debt is still $400-500k
>Now you need to buy a house after being a rent cuck for 14 years
If you want money go into finance or something ffs, being a doctor is some of the least "easy money" there is.
My wife is a teacher and she has multiple degrees. It’s put her in the top earning brackets at work but her debt is sizable and she’s been there for 18 years so I hear what you’re saying. I can’t imagine what it is as a doctor.
I do have to ask though, hospitals don’t kiss surgeons asses? I always assumed they were in short supply and the hospitals would have to lure them in.
If I became rich I would spend all my free time working on projects I enjoy. Never ending circle..lol
You wouldn't enjoy the projects if you spent all your time on them.
That's bull shit
My job is currently playing with vintage technology. Some nice people spent like 20 years not maintaining it , and now we need to get another 5-10 years out of them, so I need to keep them all running. I can just go in and pick anything tonplay with that day. The hardest thing is staying focused.
But I like my job, despite all the bullshit it's a small but growing company and my boss is pretty generous to those who show loyalty and commitment. Working for big shitty company must be soul crushing though.
nice
My job is insanely boring and all I do is babysit adults. I'm at work right now actually.
My life is devoid of creation despite owning a garage big enough for 4 cars. I'll be here til I die or retire.
Too much of a pussy to take risks with the only life you'll have for all eternity?
Yeah but where or how do you sell your ideas?
>shotgun my resume on indeed
>get message from some start up
>google the company
>they have their own reddit account for the company
>report them to indeed for fraud saying they DM people emails linking them to their job board like website
>invented the Pet Rock
yeah and i invented hand wife
Great ideas are a stupid plan, your typical rich person just has a normal boring business like landscapping or whatever. The wealth comes from having workers so you keep half of what they produce and they thank you mr job creator for issuing the command to get them to work.
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