Based, and then china starts a lendlease program the likes we have never seen before using it's industrial output thats much bigger than US and EU combined in a chance to cripple its biggest rival, and we'll be able to see if US soldiers can fight a real war and if NATO is so united
>China massively arming a geopolitical rival in the hopes that they'll beat their other geopolitical rival
China has sat this entire fuckfest out for a reason, Russia and America bleeding themselves dry without China having to so much as lift a finger is a massive win for them. For all the chimping both Russia and China do about wanting a multipolar world they both just want to replace America as the head of a unipolar world
>China has sat this entire fuckfest out for a reason, Russia and America bleeding themselves dry without China having to so much as lift a finger is a massive win for them. For all the chimping both Russia and China do about wanting a multipolar world they both just want to replace America as the head of a unipolar world
China hasn't done anything because it can't do anything and never will be able to do anything other than say they can do things.
But bro, look at how much shit quality steel they can produce! Look at all the tonnage of fishing boats in their navy! All incredibly implessive.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>But bro, look at how much shit quality steel they can produce! Look at all the tonnage of fishing boats in their navy! All incredibly implessive.
Yeah dude! literally a manufacturing slave country for the rest of the world!!!
Where does their ore come from....
....
Other countries!!!
https://i.imgur.com/KVUya9V.jpg
>EU is literally the new sanitized version of the old USSR
Yeah I remember when the UK tried to leave the EUSSR and the EUSSR sent tanks into London to change the government. Totally exactly the same.
>Yeah I remember when the UK tried to leave the EUSSR and the EUSSR sent tanks into London to change the government. Totally exactly the same.
Brexit voting was held in 2016.
The people voted to leave the EU.
Politicians call for a second vote lol.
Leaving was delayed for 4 years until 2020 lol.
They didn't get the vote they wanted.
You don't even need to formally be a member of
the EU to be a member of the EU. Take Ukraine
for example.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>They didn't get the vote they wanted.
More like "they", being old british money with obvious political interests and fuckall understanding of economy, realized that whipping up their useful idiots to achieve brexit was a big fucking mistake and tried to buffer the following economical disaster. nobody is happy about it anymore except fifth columnist and irredeemable retards. UKomeback in the next 10 years.
1 week ago
Anonymous
You're the idiot for thinking that was the plan all along, to make other countries feel like they could leave at any time.
Brexit was always about showing how much better it is to be in the EU, but how easy it is to leave when you want at the expense of your economy.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Yeah dude! literally a manufacturing slave country for the rest of the world!!! >Where does their ore come from.... >.... >Other countries!!!
What do you even mean?
>For all the chimping both Russia and China do about wanting a multipolar world they both just want to replace America as the head of a unipolar world
I can believe Russia actually wanting a multipolar world, because it's totally impossible for them to come close to the position of world hegemon as they are.
are you literally incapable of comprehending what a military alliance mean?
The idea of cooperation for the sole purpose of mutual benefit is alien to the Russian
>poland is a gay meme country that only does what the US says. they had the chance to trigger article 5 (this doesn't mean what they think it means) when ukraine attacked them but they didn't
Triggering WW3 is the stupidest thing you could advocate for.
[...] >US is probably going to start flying F-22/35s as escorts for their drones like they did last time someone fucked with one.
That defeats the purpose of drones....
[...] >Turkey is really REALLY not in a good spot after that earthquake
Like other third world countries. Turkey is barely surviving natural phenomenon lol.
[...] >are you literally incapable of comprehending what a military alliance mean?
NATO isn't needed for military alliances...
It is a control method employed by NATO.
>That defeats the purpose of drones....
It serves the purpose of flexing on technologically challenged thirdies, which takes precedence over utilizing the advantages of UAVs.
Hello my name is Sergay Volkovich from Moscow county. I believe Russia should attack any Nato equipment or Western citizens anywhere. That way we will surely win the war quicker and take more glory.
You fucking retard. He's not shilling for Russia. I hope you have a nice day for being this stupid. I really hate you so much. I want to choke you and beat you. I want you to experience pain. I hate you.
"rined within Article 5 of its founding treaty, NATO allies see “an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all"
NATO literally owns its member countries lol.
What a bunch of cucks.
poland is a gay meme country that only does what the US says. they had the chance to trigger article 5 (this doesn't mean what they think it means) when ukraine attacked them but they didn't
>poland is a gay meme country that only does what the US says. they had the chance to trigger article 5 (this doesn't mean what they think it means) when ukraine attacked them but they didn't
Triggering WW3 is the stupidest thing you could advocate for.
US is probably going to start flying F-22/35s as escorts for their drones like they did last time someone fucked with one.
>US is probably going to start flying F-22/35s as escorts for their drones like they did last time someone fucked with one.
That defeats the purpose of drones....
Turkey is really REALLY not in a good spot after that earthquake, I don't think they can refuse not like it matters but assuming sending aid over through the black sea was a thing they are not in a power position and need NATO(US) aid atm.
>Turkey is really REALLY not in a good spot after that earthquake
Like other third world countries. Turkey is barely surviving natural phenomenon lol.
are you literally incapable of comprehending what a military alliance mean?
>are you literally incapable of comprehending what a military alliance mean?
NATO isn't needed for military alliances...
It is a control method employed by NATO.
>NATO isn't needed for military alliances...
Yes, I'm sure Russia would prefer EU/NA to form smaller military alliances so it could gobble up the baltics and whatnot. Sorry, aint' happening vlad. >It is a control method employed by NATO.
Oh yeah, because being Russias "partner" is so great. You get cheap gas, that's it. They fuck you over on business deals and to do business in Russia you have to deal with their multi-layered corruption and extortion bullshit. The moment you try and have relations with western nations, Russia flips it's shit and starts threatening war. The grass really is greener on the western side of the fence. We don't have defenestration fridays for a start.
>when ukraine attacked them but they didn't
whut, I hope you're not retarded enought to call that accident with Poland farmer as Ukrainian attack. Also NATO blamed puzzia for it. Are you puzzian?
>Russian media stooges say they downed it for 'spying' >Ambassador says it was downed because it was directly helping Ukraine >Russia said the drone crashed after a "sharp manoeuvre", and denied that the two aircraft made direct contact.
So either this was the drone crashing on its own (lol, lmao), a 'buzzing' gone from (lol, lmao) or a deliberate downing of the drone... in which case that is Russia clearly doing school yard shit of going 'nananananana you won't hit me' and hope everybody else thinks you're big and strong because the guy doesn't hit you.
You did that after 8 years of constant fuckery, including assassinations and attacks on military installations. And you're still too soft to slap down French companies that openly defy the sanctions.
>I wish the US would do something, but it won't.
Why? It's more satisfying watching the Russian casualties stack up without any proper American intervention. It's like holding stiff arming a little kids forehead while he tries to hit you, yeah he might slightly scratch you or something, but it beats explaining to the police why you pulverized him into mush on the pavement.
I honestly think the americans blew up nordstream, thus cutting of reliance on russian gas. I'm saying that this is a positive thing. Americans might be loud cringe fatties but I'd still rather buy from them than from some krokodil infested aids pit
also fuck krauts and their energy bills
1 week ago
Anonymous
Whoever blew it up did Europe a service. No more cucking to Russian interests, nuclear power will have a resurgence and we'll all be more prosperous for it.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>I know nothing of energy
1 week ago
Anonymous
I know that Russia paid and funded environmentalist groups to switch to Russian gas at the expense of Nuclear and domestic energy production.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>I honestly think the americans blew up nordstream
1 week ago
Anonymous
lol the funniest thing about this whole incident was that the russian jet "dumped fuel" on the drone before smacking it. Someone needs to turn that into a poopoo pepe comic.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>It took 40 minutes for them to down a drone because they kept trying to dump fuel on it but it didn't work >Resorted to colliding with it out of desperation
The absolute state
>I don't like Biden at all but he did clap Nordstream.
Nice try Ivan. No one is falling for it.
>Nice try Ivan. No one is falling for it.
https://i.imgur.com/fXCCytA.jpg
>I honestly think the americans blew up nordstream
^Not him, but imagine being this reflexively defensive about this. I certainly hope you paid for this shit because doing it for free would be pathetic.
Well, if that's the precedent they want to set, we can play it hard. There's a LOT of shit pouring into vatmoronstan from Iran, Korea, Syria, other countries.
Dumb vatmoron thinks NATO is a US empire and not an agreement of many nations. The whole point of NATO membership is that it has to be unanimous. When a NATO member joins, every other NATO member is committing to defending them if they're attacked. So it must be voluntary.
>Dumb vatmoron thinks NATO is a US empire and not an agreement of many nations.
That's what I'm saying you ESL. If the Turks don't want the US ships there then there is nothing the US can do about it.
1 week ago
Anonymous
What can the Turks do if a US carrier group sails through, rusnig?
1 week ago
Anonymous
The Turks have advanced ballistic missile systems.
And the US won't do shit; when the Turks say no the US will back off.
1 week ago
Anonymous
So you think the Turks would start a war with the United States of America, a country which could reduce every single city, town, and village in Turkey to rubble while taking negligible casualties?
You third-worlders aren't very smart.
1 week ago
Anonymous
No I'm saying the US wouldn't do shit if the Turks told them to fuck off.
1 week ago
Anonymous
[...]
We will say no and you won't do shit
Go ahead, try it 😉 Russians tried too with a plane and you know what happened right?
You'd better hope the USA never decides they feel like being in the Black Sea, because they'll go there and you won't stop them.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>W...we didn't want to go anyway!
Just like I said 😉
1 week ago
Anonymous
don't you realise they would allow you to survive out of pity and not fear or respect? Just due domestic opinion? But I feel you are trolling, or an actual turkroach.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>because they'll go there and you won't stop them.
There's no way the US could escalate that and win.
What are they even gonna do if the Turks say no? Run their ships into a steel wall and get boarded by special forces?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Nuke Istanbul and Ankara.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>There's no way the US could escalate that and win.
Completely coup, invade or glass Turkey, then sail through the strait. That's just such a retarded level of escalation that unless the Black Sea was named for being made out of oil it only exists in the dream of some greek sleeping off too many gyros.
1 week ago
Anonymous
anon, the greeks aren't the only ones that want to see Turkey glassed
1 week ago
Anonymous
Turkey belongs to china now, we pretty much own most middle eastern and african countries and dont have white guilt and turks are all idiots who will sell us their country
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Turkey belongs to china now
Lol, you can't even deal with your shithole neighbor India and they aren't half as arrogant as you guys are online either.
1 week ago
Anonymous
we will smash india lmao, half the countries in the middle east are our bitch and we have taken over afghanistan because theyre too stupid to even extract resources, and africa is ours too
1 week ago
Anonymous
>we will smash india lmao, half the countries in the middle east are our bitch and we have taken over afghanistan because theyre too stupid to even extract resources, and africa is ours too
We will see it when it actually happens outside of your micropenis paper-dragon masturbation dreams Winnie The Pooh.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>What are they even gonna do if the Turks say no?
You might want to look at the history of Turkish military coups since the death of Ataturk.
1 week ago
Anonymous
If the girls say no, we find a new Turkish leader who says yes
Taking no for an answer essentially represents the United States handing over ownership of Turkey to China.
In our volatile security landscape, there is no way the Chinese will be handed a new foothold in the Mediterranean
Sorry tankie
We will say no and you won't do shit
Go ahead, try it 😉 Russians tried too with a plane and you know what happened right?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Letting a “no” stand would represent a loss of legitimacy for Ankara and by consequence, China gaining a foothold in Europe
The United States would find a new leader to take over in Turkey, simple as.
1 week ago
Anonymous
NTA but the US doesn't operate on 19th century geopolitics like Russia or Xi's China. It has the capacity to completely wipe Turkey off the map or orchestrate a regime change, but it would be incredibly counterproductive to give "america bad" types more ammunition because they attacked a third party over a replaceable unmanned drone.
1 week ago
Anonymous
“America bad” talking points will continue to be propagated by Russian aligned threat actors in the information space regardless of a given days newsfeed
Ankara already threw a monkeywrench into the nearly unanimous support everyone has for Finland and Sweden joining NATO
Now they want to extract concessions for themselves to remove the obstacle they created for progress
This is akin to tribal land politics, where tribal leaders will block rail or road access on old easements, then demand money from the state to remove the roadblock
This type of activity will not be tolerated at a geopolitical level, if it interferes with vital containment operations for Russian aggression
1 week ago
Anonymous
Consider the fact that even moderates and mainstream outlets were arguing that there was no Ukraine invasion planned, it was more or less because >muh Iraq war. R-remember where da dubyaemdees!!1! Can't trust them glowies man!
The fact of the matter is that the US is in an incredibly comfortable position and an unmanned drone being taken out isn't likely to generate outrage in the American public which would necessitate a response. There's no reason to risk a favorable position by even requesting that we move some fleets into the Black Sea. The calculus of modern geopolitics is determined by how trustworthy of a partner you are and how lucrative trade with your country is. Chest-beating and vassal collecting is outdated and ultimately more expensive than the alternative.
1 week ago
Anonymous
No, it was because American media on both sides ISN'T trustworthy and Russia at that time had a long history of disputes concerning Ukraine stemming back over 15 years.
The proof was the actual event actually happening.
1 week ago
Anonymous
The American glowies presented plenty of evidence to the World that the planned invasion wasn't a typical sabre rattling movement. It wasn't just the public that doubted it, but actual proper politicians too. Partially because of residual distrust over muh WMDs in Iraq. If the US were to attack Turkey over a fuckin drone, most of Europe would see it as a nice opportunity to break lockstep with the sanctions and get hooked on Russian natural gas again. And none of it would be productive because the US is already in the absolute best possible position it could be in as far as Eastern Europe is concerned.
1 week ago
Anonymous
your country will get shitted on by third world shithole though
1 week ago
Anonymous
>It has the capacity to completely wipe Turkey off the map
You're underestimating Turkey here. The US couldn't win a war from the air with all the fighter jets and AA system Turkey has and their missiles could sink US carriers. A ground war would be impossible due to the sheer size of the Turkish ground force.
1 week ago
sage
Lol, USA will spearhead like a freight train trough Bulgaria wiping out anything on his path, no need of carriers since they can raid you roaches from Italy. You will last a week and call it a day.
1 week ago
Anonymous
The US took Iraq which made similar boasts and completely toppled it within months to the point at which the idea of a strong Iraqi government has just disappeared. When someone says the US could wipe Turkey off the map, it's not really an insult to Turkey (which probably could fend off an invasion from literally anyone else), it's a testament to how roided out the US is. The only question would be whether it could be justified to the American public. Luckily for both Turkey and the US, neither country wants to antagonize the other too much.
1 week ago
Anonymous
No, Turkey doesn't have a chance anon, just stop it.
[...]
"Ally", "friend" and "sovereignty" are alien words to these people because they still trust by the same anti-US KGB propaganda approach of divide and conquer. Basically you are to keep the angle that Europe/the west/the world is controlled by America and to blame for all evil. Putin, trained in this, tried hard to do this while funding anti-EU movements with hundreds of millions of dollars.
Ironic that Belarus, Syria and North Korea are the perfect example of modern colonies/neo-imperialism. Sad that there are too many idiots who want to feel smart/intellectual and get brainwashed from champagne leftists in media/academia.
The EU is literally a supercountry that dictates individual country policies and thus eroding member country autonomy.
The bait for joining is welfare money.
The prize is being culturally and ethnically destroyed over time.
[...]
"Ally", "friend" and "sovereignty" are alien words to these people because they still trust by the same anti-US KGB propaganda approach of divide and conquer. Basically you are to keep the angle that Europe/the west/the world is controlled by America and to blame for all evil. Putin, trained in this, tried hard to do this while funding anti-EU movements with hundreds of millions of dollars.
Ironic that Belarus, Syria and North Korea are the perfect example of modern colonies/neo-imperialism. Sad that there are too many idiots who want to feel smart/intellectual and get brainwashed from champagne leftists in media/academia.
>Ironic that Belarus, Syria and North Korea are the perfect example of modern colonies/neo-imperialism. Sad that there are too many idiots who want to feel smart/intellectual and get brainwashed from champagne leftists in media/academia.
Lol. You're equivalent to antifa thinking they are brainwashed whilst calling everybody else brainwashed.
1 week ago
Anonymous
No, Turkey doesn't have a chance anon, just stop it.
[...]
"Ally", "friend" and "sovereignty" are alien words to these people because they still trust by the same anti-US KGB propaganda approach of divide and conquer. Basically you are to keep the angle that Europe/the west/the world is controlled by America and to blame for all evil. Putin, trained in this, tried hard to do this while funding anti-EU movements with hundreds of millions of dollars.
Ironic that Belarus, Syria and North Korea are the perfect example of modern colonies/neo-imperialism. Sad that there are too many idiots who want to feel smart/intellectual and get brainwashed from champagne leftists in media/academia.
The EU is literally a supercountry that dictates individual country policies and thus eroding member country autonomy.
The bait for joining is welfare money.
The prize is being culturally and ethnically destroyed over time.
[...]
"Ally", "friend" and "sovereignty" are alien words to these people because they still trust by the same anti-US KGB propaganda approach of divide and conquer. Basically you are to keep the angle that Europe/the west/the world is controlled by America and to blame for all evil. Putin, trained in this, tried hard to do this while funding anti-EU movements with hundreds of millions of dollars.
Ironic that Belarus, Syria and North Korea are the perfect example of modern colonies/neo-imperialism. Sad that there are too many idiots who want to feel smart/intellectual and get brainwashed from champagne leftists in media/academia.
>Ironic that Belarus, Syria and North Korea are the perfect example of modern colonies/neo-imperialism. Sad that there are too many idiots who want to feel smart/intellectual and get brainwashed from champagne leftists in media/academia.
Lol. You're equivalent to antifa thinking they aren't brainwashed whilst calling everybody else brainwashed.
The American glowies presented plenty of evidence to the World that the planned invasion wasn't a typical sabre rattling movement. It wasn't just the public that doubted it, but actual proper politicians too. Partially because of residual distrust over muh WMDs in Iraq. If the US were to attack Turkey over a fuckin drone, most of Europe would see it as a nice opportunity to break lockstep with the sanctions and get hooked on Russian natural gas again. And none of it would be productive because the US is already in the absolute best possible position it could be in as far as Eastern Europe is concerned.
No, the event happened and you now claim you knew all along. retroactive fortune-telling.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>The EU is literally a supercountry that dictates individual country policies and thus eroding member country autonomy.
Nice projection, Ivan.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Nice projection, Ivan.
EU is literally the new sanitized version of the old USSR. And they were both terrible.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>EU is literally the new sanitized version of the old USSR
Yeah I remember when the UK tried to leave the EUSSR and the EUSSR sent tanks into London to change the government. Totally exactly the same.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Eu is pretty based and you can actually buy frankfurters, bananas and pineapples. Not to mention sugar and coffee.
Also every male is not forced into homosexuality via mandatory 2 year draft that is needed to go lose wars in literal who shitholes with no armies.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Are turks really this delusional?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Turks are crazy. The funding father of their nation understood that religion and the missing democratic organization in late osmanic imperium was at fault for being so weak in 1st ww.
Now erdogan is bringing back everything what ataturk hated and removed while hanging pictures of himself same as ataturk did. Erdogan is an enemy of the Turkish people and they are too 3rd world to realize.
1 week ago
Anonymous
deluded, you would be slaughtered
1 week ago
Anonymous
One flaw in the logic there.
The one CAG Turkey could certainly sink when it sailed through a narrow-ass strait they control both sides of is worth more to America than destroying every single city, town, and village in Turkey is worth.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>You third-worlders aren't very smart.
They are weaponized stupidity in fact.
1 week ago
Anonymous
If the girls say no, we find a new Turkish leader who says yes
Taking no for an answer essentially represents the United States handing over ownership of Turkey to China.
In our volatile security landscape, there is no way the Chinese will be handed a new foothold in the Mediterranean
Sorry tankie
1 week ago
Anonymous
>we find a new Turkish leader who says yes
You tried that with the coup before and it failed, all your guys got captured.
1 week ago
Anonymous
erdogan set it up himself so it makes him look better
1 week ago
Anonymous
>bragging about human rights violations against his own country’s reform activists
If the US was behind this, then the reforms would have succeeded
If the US was behind reforms in Turkey, you might also might have first world building codes by now. Instead of importing krokodil and copium.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Is that why US fighter jets chased off coup jets to save him?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>coup
Yeah, that coup orchestrated by the Turkish Airforce where Erdogan spent the entirety of it in his presidential plane and the most they could muster is someone asking him very sternly to land, that definitely real coup that happened that totally wasn't just Erdogan getting rid of people he didn't like
1 week ago
Anonymous
>when the Turks say no the US will back off.
Enjoy the economic revenge though, I've heard turkish people don't exactly enjoy hyperinflation.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Turkey is really REALLY not in a good spot after that earthquake, I don't think they can refuse not like it matters but assuming sending aid over through the black sea was a thing they are not in a power position and need NATO(US) aid atm.
NATO is neither a confederation or a federation. Members can do what they want, but not without consequences. The main thing about nato is that its a defense pact. Stop making it seem like NATO is some form of a confederacy.
Dumb vatmoron thinks NATO is a US empire and not an agreement of many nations. The whole point of NATO membership is that it has to be unanimous. When a NATO member joins, every other NATO member is committing to defending them if they're attacked. So it must be voluntary.
"Ally", "friend" and "sovereignty" are alien words to these people because they still trust by the same anti-US KGB propaganda approach of divide and conquer. Basically you are to keep the angle that Europe/the west/the world is controlled by America and to blame for all evil. Putin, trained in this, tried hard to do this while funding anti-EU movements with hundreds of millions of dollars.
Ironic that Belarus, Syria and North Korea are the perfect example of modern colonies/neo-imperialism. Sad that there are too many idiots who want to feel smart/intellectual and get brainwashed from champagne leftists in media/academia.
They literally approved finland and sweden is just going to be on another limbo before the turks calmed down. Turkey is doing this out of geopolitical pursuits, which is just a temporary thing. But finland is able to get in.
Yeah.
We're also openly transporting them shitloads of military equipment, but if Russia started torpedoing cargo ships tomorrow it would be WW3.
There's well-established rules in this game and flying just outside someone's airspace to spy on them is fairsies.
The Russian jet didn't simply shoot the drone down because it would be against the rules, which is why it played aerial harassment games with it instead until this either happened by accident or in a way that looked enough like an accident to be deniable.
Fuck off with this drone shit. Predators are UAVs, proper combat aircraft with high end optics, avionics and weapons stores. They need proper runways, maintenance sites, pilots and datalink equipment. They’re not these fucking toy Quadcopters and plastic hobby planes. Stop calling them drones even if it’s a technically correct term.
This is obviously false, and vatnik projection. Downing an unmanned craft over international waters is one of the most embarrassing things you can do. The whole world is laughing because the #2 army could not take Kyiv in 2 days. any threat actors taking facts of this incident out of context to lessen Russia’s embarrassment should be put on a watchlist.
This would be stupid for the Russian government to say, as it takes it from an accident to on purpose.
The level of retaliation options go from near zero to near max.
What baffles me the most about this whole down drone thing is that ziggers all go >American military equipment weak and shitty >Russian military equipment strong and great
As if 2 twin-engine jet fighters dunking on a fucking prop UAV is something to be proud of
Why are they doing it now instead before the loss of thousands of tanks, 100,000s of troops, hundreds of aircraft, loss of their flagship, and the loss of about a dozen generals?
Holy shit….no way….insane…..
based. They should attacke every American aircraft and vehicle in support of Ukraine. Also, American citizen. Then we have a big party.
>Then we have a big party.
The big party is direct US intervention and the extermination of every Russian soldier in or near Ukraine.
Based, and then china starts a lendlease program the likes we have never seen before using it's industrial output thats much bigger than US and EU combined in a chance to cripple its biggest rival, and we'll be able to see if US soldiers can fight a real war and if NATO is so united
>China massively arming a geopolitical rival in the hopes that they'll beat their other geopolitical rival
China has sat this entire fuckfest out for a reason, Russia and America bleeding themselves dry without China having to so much as lift a finger is a massive win for them. For all the chimping both Russia and China do about wanting a multipolar world they both just want to replace America as the head of a unipolar world
>China has sat this entire fuckfest out for a reason, Russia and America bleeding themselves dry without China having to so much as lift a finger is a massive win for them. For all the chimping both Russia and China do about wanting a multipolar world they both just want to replace America as the head of a unipolar world
China hasn't done anything because it can't do anything and never will be able to do anything other than say they can do things.
But bro, look at how much shit quality steel they can produce! Look at all the tonnage of fishing boats in their navy! All incredibly implessive.
>But bro, look at how much shit quality steel they can produce! Look at all the tonnage of fishing boats in their navy! All incredibly implessive.
Yeah dude! literally a manufacturing slave country for the rest of the world!!!
Where does their ore come from....
....
Other countries!!!
>Yeah I remember when the UK tried to leave the EUSSR and the EUSSR sent tanks into London to change the government. Totally exactly the same.
Brexit voting was held in 2016.
The people voted to leave the EU.
Politicians call for a second vote lol.
Leaving was delayed for 4 years until 2020 lol.
They didn't get the vote they wanted.
You don't even need to formally be a member of
the EU to be a member of the EU. Take Ukraine
for example.
>They didn't get the vote they wanted.
More like "they", being old british money with obvious political interests and fuckall understanding of economy, realized that whipping up their useful idiots to achieve brexit was a big fucking mistake and tried to buffer the following economical disaster. nobody is happy about it anymore except fifth columnist and irredeemable retards. UKomeback in the next 10 years.
You're the idiot for thinking that was the plan all along, to make other countries feel like they could leave at any time.
Brexit was always about showing how much better it is to be in the EU, but how easy it is to leave when you want at the expense of your economy.
>Yeah dude! literally a manufacturing slave country for the rest of the world!!!
>Where does their ore come from....
>....
>Other countries!!!
What do you even mean?
>America bleeding themselves dry
I can sort of see the argument for Europe since gas prices are causing economic trouble, but America?
nope.
>For all the chimping both Russia and China do about wanting a multipolar world they both just want to replace America as the head of a unipolar world
I can believe Russia actually wanting a multipolar world, because it's totally impossible for them to come close to the position of world hegemon as they are.
The idea of cooperation for the sole purpose of mutual benefit is alien to the Russian
>That defeats the purpose of drones....
It serves the purpose of flexing on technologically challenged thirdies, which takes precedence over utilizing the advantages of UAVs.
>America bleeding themselves dry
You are retarded.
It's kinda crazy they haven't done so sooner.
Russia is still sleep walking in this war after more than a year.
Hello my name is Sergay Volkovich from Moscow county. I believe Russia should attack any Nato equipment or Western citizens anywhere. That way we will surely win the war quicker and take more glory.
You fucking retard. He's not shilling for Russia. I hope you have a nice day for being this stupid. I really hate you so much. I want to choke you and beat you. I want you to experience pain. I hate you.
they should be
Give em the Yemini wedding treatment.
>Russia Ambassador Says Drowned U.S. Drone Was Supporting Ukraine Attacks.
Capitals on each words of a sentence diserve the capital sentence.
It's the title of the article, titles always have every word capitalized.
An ESL wouldn’t know that
Foreign papers use title case too.
>titles always have every word capitalized.
This is fucked up, a product of a sick and twisted mind.
It's not even easier to read!
technically it depends on which writing style you follow (Oxford or whatever, I don't remember)
Shouldn't they be attacking the global hawk instead of the reaper if that is the case?
Global Hawk can fly above the Flanker's ceiling.
Downing the drone is a good start, now hit the supply bases in Poland.
i also await for russians to finally get a chance of being exterminated
>i also await for russians to finally get a chance of being exterminated
/thread
I too welcome the complete destruction of the Russian military and economy.
Please do, so we can finally exterminate your useless, demented and subhuman vatnik race.
Why aren't you helping Ukraine in Bakhmut, nafosisters?!
>F-35 wants to know your location.
I too think Russia should take off the gloves.
"rined within Article 5 of its founding treaty, NATO allies see “an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all"
NATO literally owns its member countries lol.
What a bunch of cucks.
are you literally incapable of comprehending what a military alliance mean?
poland is a gay meme country that only does what the US says. they had the chance to trigger article 5 (this doesn't mean what they think it means) when ukraine attacked them but they didn't
>poland is a gay meme country that only does what the US says. they had the chance to trigger article 5 (this doesn't mean what they think it means) when ukraine attacked them but they didn't
Triggering WW3 is the stupidest thing you could advocate for.
>US is probably going to start flying F-22/35s as escorts for their drones like they did last time someone fucked with one.
That defeats the purpose of drones....
>Turkey is really REALLY not in a good spot after that earthquake
Like other third world countries. Turkey is barely surviving natural phenomenon lol.
>are you literally incapable of comprehending what a military alliance mean?
NATO isn't needed for military alliances...
It is a control method employed by NATO.
>NATO isn't needed for military alliances...
Yes, I'm sure Russia would prefer EU/NA to form smaller military alliances so it could gobble up the baltics and whatnot. Sorry, aint' happening vlad.
>It is a control method employed by NATO.
Oh yeah, because being Russias "partner" is so great. You get cheap gas, that's it. They fuck you over on business deals and to do business in Russia you have to deal with their multi-layered corruption and extortion bullshit. The moment you try and have relations with western nations, Russia flips it's shit and starts threatening war. The grass really is greener on the western side of the fence. We don't have defenestration fridays for a start.
>when ukraine attacked them but they didn't
whut, I hope you're not retarded enought to call that accident with Poland farmer as Ukrainian attack. Also NATO blamed puzzia for it. Are you puzzian?
i wish a moron would
Location:
>wishabro wood
>Russian media stooges say they downed it for 'spying'
>Ambassador says it was downed because it was directly helping Ukraine
>Russia said the drone crashed after a "sharp manoeuvre", and denied that the two aircraft made direct contact.
So either this was the drone crashing on its own (lol, lmao), a 'buzzing' gone from (lol, lmao) or a deliberate downing of the drone... in which case that is Russia clearly doing school yard shit of going 'nananananana you won't hit me' and hope everybody else thinks you're big and strong because the guy doesn't hit you.
I wish the US would do something, but it won't.
>I wish the US would do something, but it won't
It's like fighting with a woman. Ypu could end her waking existence with a half effort open hand slap but it would be in bad taste.
Never thought of it this way, but well-put, anon. Russia is "fighting" the most womanly "war" in history
are you retarded we basically declared economic war on them with unlimited sanctions how fucking stupid are you?
>yeah dude let them down $20 million pieces of equipment and do nothing in return lol lmao just let it keep happening senpai
You did that after 8 years of constant fuckery, including assassinations and attacks on military installations. And you're still too soft to slap down French companies that openly defy the sanctions.
>I wish the US would do something, but it won't.
Why? It's more satisfying watching the Russian casualties stack up without any proper American intervention. It's like holding stiff arming a little kids forehead while he tries to hit you, yeah he might slightly scratch you or something, but it beats explaining to the police why you pulverized him into mush on the pavement.
>I wish the US would do something, but it won't
2023, I'm forgotten.
That was only when Trump was in charge. While he was in office, this happened as well. Biden is too much a pussy to clap back in equal measure.
I don't like Biden at all but he did clap Nordstream.
Nice try Ivan. No one is falling for it.
???
I honestly think the americans blew up nordstream, thus cutting of reliance on russian gas. I'm saying that this is a positive thing. Americans might be loud cringe fatties but I'd still rather buy from them than from some krokodil infested aids pit
also fuck krauts and their energy bills
Whoever blew it up did Europe a service. No more cucking to Russian interests, nuclear power will have a resurgence and we'll all be more prosperous for it.
>I know nothing of energy
I know that Russia paid and funded environmentalist groups to switch to Russian gas at the expense of Nuclear and domestic energy production.
>I honestly think the americans blew up nordstream
lol the funniest thing about this whole incident was that the russian jet "dumped fuel" on the drone before smacking it. Someone needs to turn that into a poopoo pepe comic.
>It took 40 minutes for them to down a drone because they kept trying to dump fuel on it but it didn't work
>Resorted to colliding with it out of desperation
The absolute state
kek
Needs moar poopoo (fuel)
>I don't like Biden at all but he did clap Nordstream.
>Nice try Ivan. No one is falling for it.
^Not him, but imagine being this reflexively defensive about this. I certainly hope you paid for this shit because doing it for free would be pathetic.
>general gets slapchopped
>respond in an autistic show of force
>down an airliner in the process
what a way to start 2020
US is probably going to start flying F-22/35s as escorts for their drones like they did last time someone fucked with one.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-an-f-22-once-flew-under-an-iranian-f-4-and-told-it-to-go-home-2018-12
Well, if that's the precedent they want to set, we can play it hard. There's a LOT of shit pouring into vatmoronstan from Iran, Korea, Syria, other countries.
It's all on the table now.
> Today, I will remind them about Eritrea.
>>> Today, I will remind them about Eritrea.
It's a Chinese ally you retard.
>Well, if that's the precedent they want to set, we can play it hard.
Not with the current generation spineless politicians and incompetent diplomats.
Sending couple of American warships into Black Sea could be fun
The strait is closed to non homeported warships.
Turks don't have enough shit to stop USA from going anywhere it wants to go.
They bought the S-400 and stopped the US from getting more NATO allies and the US couldn't do shit about it.
>couldn't
Didn't bother. Turks get more uppity and the strait will become nuclear.
Dumb vatmoron thinks NATO is a US empire and not an agreement of many nations. The whole point of NATO membership is that it has to be unanimous. When a NATO member joins, every other NATO member is committing to defending them if they're attacked. So it must be voluntary.
>Dumb vatmoron thinks NATO is a US empire and not an agreement of many nations.
That's what I'm saying you ESL. If the Turks don't want the US ships there then there is nothing the US can do about it.
What can the Turks do if a US carrier group sails through, rusnig?
The Turks have advanced ballistic missile systems.
And the US won't do shit; when the Turks say no the US will back off.
So you think the Turks would start a war with the United States of America, a country which could reduce every single city, town, and village in Turkey to rubble while taking negligible casualties?
You third-worlders aren't very smart.
No I'm saying the US wouldn't do shit if the Turks told them to fuck off.
You'd better hope the USA never decides they feel like being in the Black Sea, because they'll go there and you won't stop them.
>W...we didn't want to go anyway!
Just like I said 😉
don't you realise they would allow you to survive out of pity and not fear or respect? Just due domestic opinion? But I feel you are trolling, or an actual turkroach.
>because they'll go there and you won't stop them.
There's no way the US could escalate that and win.
What are they even gonna do if the Turks say no? Run their ships into a steel wall and get boarded by special forces?
Nuke Istanbul and Ankara.
>There's no way the US could escalate that and win.
Completely coup, invade or glass Turkey, then sail through the strait. That's just such a retarded level of escalation that unless the Black Sea was named for being made out of oil it only exists in the dream of some greek sleeping off too many gyros.
anon, the greeks aren't the only ones that want to see Turkey glassed
Turkey belongs to china now, we pretty much own most middle eastern and african countries and dont have white guilt and turks are all idiots who will sell us their country
>Turkey belongs to china now
Lol, you can't even deal with your shithole neighbor India and they aren't half as arrogant as you guys are online either.
we will smash india lmao, half the countries in the middle east are our bitch and we have taken over afghanistan because theyre too stupid to even extract resources, and africa is ours too
>we will smash india lmao, half the countries in the middle east are our bitch and we have taken over afghanistan because theyre too stupid to even extract resources, and africa is ours too
We will see it when it actually happens outside of your micropenis paper-dragon masturbation dreams Winnie The Pooh.
>What are they even gonna do if the Turks say no?
You might want to look at the history of Turkish military coups since the death of Ataturk.
We will say no and you won't do shit
Go ahead, try it 😉 Russians tried too with a plane and you know what happened right?
Letting a “no” stand would represent a loss of legitimacy for Ankara and by consequence, China gaining a foothold in Europe
The United States would find a new leader to take over in Turkey, simple as.
NTA but the US doesn't operate on 19th century geopolitics like Russia or Xi's China. It has the capacity to completely wipe Turkey off the map or orchestrate a regime change, but it would be incredibly counterproductive to give "america bad" types more ammunition because they attacked a third party over a replaceable unmanned drone.
“America bad” talking points will continue to be propagated by Russian aligned threat actors in the information space regardless of a given days newsfeed
Ankara already threw a monkeywrench into the nearly unanimous support everyone has for Finland and Sweden joining NATO
Now they want to extract concessions for themselves to remove the obstacle they created for progress
This is akin to tribal land politics, where tribal leaders will block rail or road access on old easements, then demand money from the state to remove the roadblock
This type of activity will not be tolerated at a geopolitical level, if it interferes with vital containment operations for Russian aggression
Consider the fact that even moderates and mainstream outlets were arguing that there was no Ukraine invasion planned, it was more or less because
>muh Iraq war. R-remember where da dubyaemdees!!1! Can't trust them glowies man!
The fact of the matter is that the US is in an incredibly comfortable position and an unmanned drone being taken out isn't likely to generate outrage in the American public which would necessitate a response. There's no reason to risk a favorable position by even requesting that we move some fleets into the Black Sea. The calculus of modern geopolitics is determined by how trustworthy of a partner you are and how lucrative trade with your country is. Chest-beating and vassal collecting is outdated and ultimately more expensive than the alternative.
No, it was because American media on both sides ISN'T trustworthy and Russia at that time had a long history of disputes concerning Ukraine stemming back over 15 years.
The proof was the actual event actually happening.
The American glowies presented plenty of evidence to the World that the planned invasion wasn't a typical sabre rattling movement. It wasn't just the public that doubted it, but actual proper politicians too. Partially because of residual distrust over muh WMDs in Iraq. If the US were to attack Turkey over a fuckin drone, most of Europe would see it as a nice opportunity to break lockstep with the sanctions and get hooked on Russian natural gas again. And none of it would be productive because the US is already in the absolute best possible position it could be in as far as Eastern Europe is concerned.
your country will get shitted on by third world shithole though
>It has the capacity to completely wipe Turkey off the map
You're underestimating Turkey here. The US couldn't win a war from the air with all the fighter jets and AA system Turkey has and their missiles could sink US carriers. A ground war would be impossible due to the sheer size of the Turkish ground force.
Lol, USA will spearhead like a freight train trough Bulgaria wiping out anything on his path, no need of carriers since they can raid you roaches from Italy. You will last a week and call it a day.
The US took Iraq which made similar boasts and completely toppled it within months to the point at which the idea of a strong Iraqi government has just disappeared. When someone says the US could wipe Turkey off the map, it's not really an insult to Turkey (which probably could fend off an invasion from literally anyone else), it's a testament to how roided out the US is. The only question would be whether it could be justified to the American public. Luckily for both Turkey and the US, neither country wants to antagonize the other too much.
No, Turkey doesn't have a chance anon, just stop it.
The EU is literally a supercountry that dictates individual country policies and thus eroding member country autonomy.
The bait for joining is welfare money.
The prize is being culturally and ethnically destroyed over time.
>Ironic that Belarus, Syria and North Korea are the perfect example of modern colonies/neo-imperialism. Sad that there are too many idiots who want to feel smart/intellectual and get brainwashed from champagne leftists in media/academia.
Lol. You're equivalent to antifa thinking they are brainwashed whilst calling everybody else brainwashed.
No, Turkey doesn't have a chance anon, just stop it.
The EU is literally a supercountry that dictates individual country policies and thus eroding member country autonomy.
The bait for joining is welfare money.
The prize is being culturally and ethnically destroyed over time.
>Ironic that Belarus, Syria and North Korea are the perfect example of modern colonies/neo-imperialism. Sad that there are too many idiots who want to feel smart/intellectual and get brainwashed from champagne leftists in media/academia.
Lol. You're equivalent to antifa thinking they aren't brainwashed whilst calling everybody else brainwashed.
No, the event happened and you now claim you knew all along. retroactive fortune-telling.
>The EU is literally a supercountry that dictates individual country policies and thus eroding member country autonomy.
Nice projection, Ivan.
>Nice projection, Ivan.
EU is literally the new sanitized version of the old USSR. And they were both terrible.
>EU is literally the new sanitized version of the old USSR
Yeah I remember when the UK tried to leave the EUSSR and the EUSSR sent tanks into London to change the government. Totally exactly the same.
Eu is pretty based and you can actually buy frankfurters, bananas and pineapples. Not to mention sugar and coffee.
Also every male is not forced into homosexuality via mandatory 2 year draft that is needed to go lose wars in literal who shitholes with no armies.
Are turks really this delusional?
Turks are crazy. The funding father of their nation understood that religion and the missing democratic organization in late osmanic imperium was at fault for being so weak in 1st ww.
Now erdogan is bringing back everything what ataturk hated and removed while hanging pictures of himself same as ataturk did. Erdogan is an enemy of the Turkish people and they are too 3rd world to realize.
deluded, you would be slaughtered
One flaw in the logic there.
The one CAG Turkey could certainly sink when it sailed through a narrow-ass strait they control both sides of is worth more to America than destroying every single city, town, and village in Turkey is worth.
>You third-worlders aren't very smart.
They are weaponized stupidity in fact.
If the girls say no, we find a new Turkish leader who says yes
Taking no for an answer essentially represents the United States handing over ownership of Turkey to China.
In our volatile security landscape, there is no way the Chinese will be handed a new foothold in the Mediterranean
Sorry tankie
>we find a new Turkish leader who says yes
You tried that with the coup before and it failed, all your guys got captured.
erdogan set it up himself so it makes him look better
>bragging about human rights violations against his own country’s reform activists
If the US was behind this, then the reforms would have succeeded
If the US was behind reforms in Turkey, you might also might have first world building codes by now. Instead of importing krokodil and copium.
Is that why US fighter jets chased off coup jets to save him?
>coup
Yeah, that coup orchestrated by the Turkish Airforce where Erdogan spent the entirety of it in his presidential plane and the most they could muster is someone asking him very sternly to land, that definitely real coup that happened that totally wasn't just Erdogan getting rid of people he didn't like
>when the Turks say no the US will back off.
Enjoy the economic revenge though, I've heard turkish people don't exactly enjoy hyperinflation.
Turkey is really REALLY not in a good spot after that earthquake, I don't think they can refuse not like it matters but assuming sending aid over through the black sea was a thing they are not in a power position and need NATO(US) aid atm.
NATO is neither a confederation or a federation. Members can do what they want, but not without consequences. The main thing about nato is that its a defense pact. Stop making it seem like NATO is some form of a confederacy.
"Ally", "friend" and "sovereignty" are alien words to these people because they still trust by the same anti-US KGB propaganda approach of divide and conquer. Basically you are to keep the angle that Europe/the west/the world is controlled by America and to blame for all evil. Putin, trained in this, tried hard to do this while funding anti-EU movements with hundreds of millions of dollars.
Ironic that Belarus, Syria and North Korea are the perfect example of modern colonies/neo-imperialism. Sad that there are too many idiots who want to feel smart/intellectual and get brainwashed from champagne leftists in media/academia.
They literally approved finland and sweden is just going to be on another limbo before the turks calmed down. Turkey is doing this out of geopolitical pursuits, which is just a temporary thing. But finland is able to get in.
easy
And where it doesn't want to go is to war with Turkey for fuck all reason
Roach genocide is just a matter of time, might as well hurry it along
Turkey literally won't do shit.
Yeah.
We're also openly transporting them shitloads of military equipment, but if Russia started torpedoing cargo ships tomorrow it would be WW3.
There's well-established rules in this game and flying just outside someone's airspace to spy on them is fairsies.
The Russian jet didn't simply shoot the drone down because it would be against the rules, which is why it played aerial harassment games with it instead until this either happened by accident or in a way that looked enough like an accident to be deniable.
Fuck off with this drone shit. Predators are UAVs, proper combat aircraft with high end optics, avionics and weapons stores. They need proper runways, maintenance sites, pilots and datalink equipment. They’re not these fucking toy Quadcopters and plastic hobby planes. Stop calling them drones even if it’s a technically correct term.
Quality post, anon.
Did they really do 19 close passes before they hit it by "mistake"?
Why not destroy it directly before all that bullshit?
This is obviously false, and vatnik projection. Downing an unmanned craft over international waters is one of the most embarrassing things you can do. The whole world is laughing because the #2 army could not take Kyiv in 2 days. any threat actors taking facts of this incident out of context to lessen Russia’s embarrassment should be put on a watchlist.
USA should openly approve using long range missiles against targets inside Russia for this.
This would be stupid for the Russian government to say, as it takes it from an accident to on purpose.
The level of retaliation options go from near zero to near max.
Can we just start world war 3 now ?
What baffles me the most about this whole down drone thing is that ziggers all go
>American military equipment weak and shitty
>Russian military equipment strong and great
As if 2 twin-engine jet fighters dunking on a fucking prop UAV is something to be proud of
It wasn't? please stop being retarded
Did they explain why exactly the US drones can't spy in Ukraine with approval of the Ukrainian gov?
>Russian ambassador says US drone was supporting Ukrainian attacks
so? Russias not at war with Ukraine
Fuck joey gonna do?
>Russian lies
Yeah
Why u so weak?
Does he mean, like, morally?
>It wasn't on purpose but if it was they deserved it
Classic vatmoron apologism.
Calm down, pork.
The retarded Pilot died doing that
How can you lose against a fucking unarmed drone?
Wait does this mean the drone pilot gets credited with a maneuever kill?
>Samyy Hayedovich
I hope you guys are just pretending to be clueless
looks fake
I can't find that tweet. It's only funny if they actually go for it. If you fake the headline/tweet you're a fag.
Why are they doing it now instead before the loss of thousands of tanks, 100,000s of troops, hundreds of aircraft, loss of their flagship, and the loss of about a dozen generals?