Would this be a good loadout for an EU army?

Would this be a good loadout for an EU army?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah

      no room for improvement?

      What country do we use as soldiers?

      pic related

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        CAESARs for SPGs

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >unarmored, wheeled and no autoloader
          nah.
          I'd be open to replacing the Leo 2 with the Leclerc tho

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >unarmored
            Does have armor against small arms and shrapnels, you don't need more for artillery.
            >wheeled
            Far lighter, less logistics and maintenance needed, more easily transportable.
            >no autoloader
            Semi-automatic loader
            There's no reason we should have only ONE type of unit per category.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Remove all German gears and that should be done.

              >Eurofighter cocksuckers at it again
              We don't need strong A2A to counter the non-existent Russian air supremacy, the Rafale is much better at ground support and deep strike missions than the memefighter.
              Jerking off slightly better turn rates at specific speeds is liquid autism.

              t. Seething froglet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No argument
                As expected

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Actively monitors anti French posts
                >Copes instantly when he sees one
                Is this the French janitor?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                These posts were made hours ago, and I'm replying to you since you quoted one of my posts.
                Take your meds.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This

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                t. Seething froglet

                was made about a minute before you replied kek. Take your seethe elsewhere everyone knows France is a joke.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't have PrepHolex
                Not my problem buddy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Brags about incel powers
                Rafail is shit, Pzh2k is superior to Gaysar, Tiger is a hopeless fail and French soldiers aren't very experienced at all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are those incel powers I'm bragging about?
                I seek to know more.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Leclerc Terminator turret on leo 2 chassis.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What country do we use as soldiers?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What country do we use as soldiers?
      France

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Runs away waving a white flag
        Kek no. Europe's most cowardly soldier.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >still falling for ww2 Anglo propaganda

          Isn't the CV90 quite old at this point (same for the Leopard actually)? A more modern vehicle would be more future-proof.
          Realistically you'd have two different phases in the creation of an EU army (not necessarily one after the other, but they may progress at different speeds):
          >creation of a shared/unified command structure
          As in, who controls the army? Is it actually one army or several smaller armies with standardised equipment in a defence pact? Would some areas of the military be under this centralised command (like for example the tanker fleet - European Air Transport Command - the navy, a military satellite network, strategic weapons), while others are under national control?
          >creation of a pool of standardised equipment
          Somewhat already in place, thanks to NATO/OCCAR/PESCO. As military equipment gets more expensive to develop and produce, you'll see more shared programs as the European (and western) military industry continues to integrate. But still, it would be necessary to decide how the budget is allocated for R&D and production (for example, is it all pooled together and then spent at the EU level or is it spent at the national level in binding procurements programs like with PESCO/OCCAR?). A method to share funds and production facilities in a more equal manner would be to follow the same structure ESA uses (as in, country X invests Y amount of euros into an ESA program, then ESA will buy equipment worth Y amount from manufacturers in that country).

          yes, but the mk.IV is a very capable IFV regardless

          https://i.imgur.com/MYWX1XS.png

          This should be the standard uniform pattern

          >not vegetato
          into the trash

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ww2 Anglo propaganda

            it's actually american iraq war propaganda

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fill the navy, air force, special forces and officer roles with Europeans, then fill the army grunt positions with new "Europeans". Just as tradition demands.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Heia Safari!

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, anything's german isn't politically viable anymore. Replace euroshit with american product

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >german equipment
      why would anyone ever buy shit from them? Even if they'd sell spare parts to you in a war, they'd have 16 month leadtime or something

      Remove all German gears and that should be done.

      >GERMANY WON'T STAND BY ITS ALLIES
      >WE KNOW BECAUSE GERMANY SENT A LOT BUT NOT FAST ENOUGH TO A COUNTRY THAT ISN'T ITS ALLY
      Will the slavic noguns tourist whining ever end? You people don't belong here, go the fuck back to 4chan.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >WE KNOW BECAUSE GERMANY SENT A LOT 'of trash' BUT NOT FAST ENOUGH TO A COUNTRY THAT ISN'T ITS ALLY

        Ftfy

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ah yes, the best SPH in the world is trash now, great take

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Sends 6 of them
            Pathetic

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Provided_by_sovereign_countries
            Objective reality disagrees with you no matter how much you seethe and your ungrateful whining for charity you've done nothing to deserve won't be forgotten.

            What stopped you posting the pasta bro? Is it because when you look into it more than half the list is pure trash and fucking ADBLUE kek

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it's more than 6 and they should be grateful even if it was just a single one
              anyway how did this autistic boring talking point come up again? Do you have nothing else to think about?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >What stopped you posting the pasta bro?
              Because I'm not the pastabro
              Also the list is so long by now it'd take like 3-4 posts and fuck that.
              >because when you look into it more than half the list is pure trash
              Not even true in the slightest.
              What has Germany done to you to have devastated your mind to this degree?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he's British

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he's British
                But is he really or is he pretending to be?
                Different shades of subhumanity tend to blend together lately.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes
                you'd be surprised how butthurt some of them are

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can't be as bad as the polish guy who autistically researches niche subjects about Germany, gets half wrong somehow (translator error?) and then uses google translate to insult people in German.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its 70% shit, get over it.

                That graphic is pretty outdated and the Strelas came with a warning that some of them wouldn't be usable, ukies wanted them anyway and some of them turned out not to be usable.
                All of that also ignores that Germany has 0 obligation to send anything at all. Why so ungrateful?

                >June
                >Outdated
                Retard, the only thing Germany did after June was to swap Greeces BMP1s for Marders which hasn't happened yet.

                Why does this trigger Germany so much can't you just own it? Dragging your feet, back peddling, talking things up when they do show up like 6 (six) fucking Pzh2k when Norway of all places has sent 3 M270s and 22 M109s.

                Inb4 b-but we don't need to help! OK we know your a soviet rape baby at heart but let's try to think of the greater good for Europe like your EU manifesto always preaches and at the same time fuck Russia into oblivion.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Its 70% shit, get over it.
                Not true.

                >>June

                1,5 months in a conflict that is half a year old is pretty long.
                >Retard, the only thing Germany did after June was to swap Greeces BMP1s for Marders which hasn't happened yet.
                Why lie?
                >Why does this trigger Germany so much
                Why does it surprise you that your constant lies are rejected?
                >Inb4 b-but we don't need to help!
                True.
                >think of the greater good for Europe
                >EU manifesto
                Ukraine's not in the EU, bitchboy. Neither is Britain, which is their only official European defence partner.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >N-not true
                Sorry to hurt your feelings and autismo list but 70% is shit, imagine putting AdBlue on there that's how fucking desperate Germany is for recognition
                >June outdated
                >Why lie
                "1 June 2022 a further package was agreed for 122 Greek BMP-1P IFV to be donated to Ukraine in return for an equal number of IFV being supplied to Greece by Germany as replacements."

                By your own fucking list that's the only thing Germany has done since June you idiot. Clearly you are retarded or you haven't even bothered to read your own list which is more likely because you don't realise 70% of it is shit.
                >Constant truths upset me
                Sorry the truth hurts.
                >Not in EU!
                >EU leaders launch Ukraine's membership process
                Nice cope, typical two faced German says one thing means another kind of like your whole stance since the beginning.

                Again I'm sorry the truth hurts you creatures but that's how it is sometimes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sorry to hurt your feelings and autismo list but 70% is shit,
                Still lying.
                >more lies
                It's getting boring.
                >By your own fucking list that's the only thing Germany has done since June you idiot.
                You're forgetting the artillery, anon.
                >>Not in EU!
                True.
                >>EU leaders launch Ukraine's membership process
                You mean the process Turkey has been in for decades?
                You do realize that you have to have certain qualifications Ukraine's away from for decades as well, don't you?
                >typical two faced German says one thing means another
                You mean like you lying about a "membership process" making you a member? lmao
                >Again I'm sorry the truth hurts you
                I caught you in multiple lies already though.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jesus christ your a genuine retard.
                Your list is garbage you haven't even read it.
                >Its a LIE!
                It's a direct quote from your wiki list.
                >B-but what about artilery!
                That was promised in May you imbecile.
                https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-send-seven-self-propelled-howitzers-ukraine-2022-05-06/
                >I caught you in lies
                >Cries No u when cornered
                Clearly you haven't a clue about dates or when and what has been sent, plus you are refusing to belive your own posted source when it's quoted back to you. I feel bad for you bro.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your list is garbage you haven't even read it.
                Wrong
                >It's a direct quote from your wiki list.
                How does that make the rest of your lies and your failures to quote me properly true?
                >That was promised in May you imbecile.
                Deliveries are part of the graphic and ukranians had to get trained first.
                You just love lying don't you?
                >Clearly you haven't a clue about dates
                ?
                Deliveries matter.
                > or when and what has been sent
                When was the mobile artillery sent, anon?
                >plus you are refusing to belive your own posted source when it's quoted back to you
                Now you lie about what I believe lmao
                >I feel bad for you bro.
                Maybe you should learn English before engaging in a hostile conversation online.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Wrong
                It's shit, pz3, matador, ph2k, Stingers that's basically it the rest is just filler and AdBlue.
                >Quotes
                You said I lied about Germany not sending aid after June apart from a BMP deal with Greece, I quoted that from your own source and you choose not to belive it you simple cunt how dumb are you?
                >Graphic
                The graphic is 100% true and paints Germany in a pathetic light even with training on 6 systems that doesn't make up for more than half of what hasn't been delivered but has been promised. That is what the graphic shows.
                >Dates matter
                They do, maybe you should pay attention to them more
                >No u again
                Bro, I quoted your source saying Germany sent one thing in June and you called me a Liar lmao are you literally retarded?

                Seek help

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's shit, pz3, matador, ph2k, Stingers that's basically it the rest is just filler
                You don't own guns and have no idea about warfare why are you on PrepHole? lmao
                Filler is what wins wars.
                >You said I lied about Germany not sending aid after June apart from a BMP deal with Greece,
                Wrong, not a lie though, I think you're just too retarded to read basic English.
                >The graphic is 100% true
                Outdated.
                >for more than half of what hasn't been delivered but has been promised
                Considering the cost of the IRIS that is still in development that's pretty meaningless. The PzH2ks weren't sent at the time either.
                Why cry about complicated shit taking time?
                >They do, maybe you should pay attention to them more
                This is funny.
                >Bro, I quoted your source saying Germany sent one thing in June and you called me a Liar lmao are you literally retarded?
                Do you still not understand that that's not what it was about and you've been talking to yourself throughout most of the conversation because you're either too retarded or too schizophrenic to engage with what I actually write?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Didn't read, your retarded.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >anon finally realized he's been embarrassing himself like a complete retard the whole time because he can't parse simple English
                Jesus dude

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >AdBlue is totally what Ukraine needs right now!
                Seek help m8

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Among many other things, yes.
                Luckily that's not the entire content of the list no matter how much you lie about it out of butthurt.
                Can you look yourself in the eyes when you're in front of the mirror without feeling shame?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Can you look yourself in the eyes when you're in front of the mirror without feeling shame?
                I would definitely not if Czech Republic and fucking Poland were putting me to shame hahaha

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >basing your self-worth on a ukrainian charity event you have no influence in while ignoring your blatant and intentional lying
                Literally vaush tier morality lmao

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Provided_by_sovereign_countries
          Objective reality disagrees with you no matter how much you seethe and your ungrateful whining for charity you've done nothing to deserve won't be forgotten.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Kel-Tec
            >Pledged to donate 400 SUB-2000 semi-automatic carbines valued at $200,000 to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

            Thanks, I guess?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe you should stop using Polish twitter accounts as a source of information, I know they couldn't stop meming about the 5000 helmets and retweeting everyday the same quotes from Scholz, but come on.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cmon bro, its not just Poles everyone knows how bad the stuff Germany sent is lol.

            Nice mouldy strelas my guy

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That graphic is pretty outdated and the Strelas came with a warning that some of them wouldn't be usable, ukies wanted them anyway and some of them turned out not to be usable.
              All of that also ignores that Germany has 0 obligation to send anything at all. Why so ungrateful?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany has 0 obligation to send anything at all. Why so ungrateful?
                Likewise, Germany deserves 0 respect at all. Why so seething?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                is this thread about respect for Germany or is it just your autistic obsession, hmmm?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you can't talk about us at all or your obsessed
                dilate

                Is that what it's about? Your fear is enough, nobody cares about the respect of slaves
                >inb4 WE DON'T FEAR YOU!
                Do something about it then, bitch.

                >thinks disgust is fear
                take your meds
                >do something about it
                don't have to, I love just watching you morons wallow in delusion

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So if your economic submission comes neither from respect, nor fear, where does it come from?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >your economic submission
                project elsewhere, herr neger; I'm enjoying not actually having to pay sky high taxes to feed all the useless PIIGS rooting in the Common Trough

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The polish media, politicians and poles themselves have talked about how Germany is only giving gibs to Poland because actually it's sucking Poland dry by offering Poland products for their money and Germany makes more money through sales to Poland than it gives poland in pure money.
                Now if we ignore that giving away money and buying shit with money is not equivalent and assume that permanent screeching has a point, I must ask, why?

                [...]
                [...]
                >stop listening to 4chan schizos anon
                >but yeah we think you're even bellow our trash.

                None of the posts say that and the only post that comes close talks about PrepHole users in general.
                You are genuinely mentally ill if that's the way you read those posts. Fix the inferiority complex.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is that what it's about? Your fear is enough, nobody cares about the respect of slaves
                >inb4 WE DON'T FEAR YOU!
                Do something about it then, bitch.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Scholtz intentionally delayed all the deliveries of heavy equipment citing nonexistent software issues. When you do something like that in a crisis, people remember.

        Germans are cool but Scholtz is a foreign mole who should be hung from a lamppost somewhere.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Scholtz intentionally delayed all the deliveries of heavy equipment citing nonexistent software issues.
          That is literally visegrad24 fake news and the very news articles they cited to support it says otherwise.
          >When you do something like that in a crisis, people remember.
          You mean when retards fall for propaganda they remember.
          Why the fuck would you trust a twitter account blindly after the last 8 years?
          > but Scholtz is a foreign mole who should be hung from a lamppost somewhere.
          The latter half of that is true at least. He's just an incompetent old retard who had a romanticized view of Russia for too long and doesn't care much for Ukraine, but most of the shit written about him here is unironically made up.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Germans are cool
          Eh.
          There are strong demographics here who are afraid of russia, unwilling to make any sacrifices in their way of life, unwilling to be in any way involved in matters of confrontation or even war. The vulgar pacifists of the left and the close-minded egoists of the right align to not get involved in ukraine. And there is a large demographic that thinks we should help, but it doesn't care in the way it should. Because it dislikes military matters and doesn't understand them, and doesn't feel comfortable demanding military aid in stronger terms.
          In the end, the best I can say about germany is - it is not truly malicious, it would not try to align with russia or go against the western alliance. It's just a mixture of ignorant and paralyzed. It hopes everything will go away if we do nothing - that's specifically what Scholz does but also what germany as a whole does.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The vast majority of Germans are strongly in favor of more military aid and wanted to send tanks from day 1.
            Granted, the latter is mostly because they don't understand the logistical trail of just throwing western tanks in there, but the point is that their lack of understanding clearly doesn't hinder their enthusiasm.
            It's also a large reason why SPD, which won the last election with 26% or so is currently polling around 15.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And then where are the demonstrations? Where are the calls for Scholz to retire? Where are the strongly worded articles in newspapers, or statements from politicians? There are none. Opinions are not enough, there have to be actions. The ukrainian war is a monumentally important event for the future of europe, and germany is failing it. Ukraine can be lucky there are states like the US, or britain, or poland, because relying on the rest of europe would see them long since occupied.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Can't be as bad as the polish guy who autistically researches niche subjects about Germany, gets half wrong somehow (translator error?) and then uses google translate to insult people in German.

              yes
              you'd be surprised how butthurt some of them are

              https://i.imgur.com/xpVadmF.png

              >he's British
              But is he really or is he pretending to be?
              Different shades of subhumanity tend to blend together lately.

              https://i.imgur.com/MmCPD3O.jpg

              he's British

              That graphic is pretty outdated and the Strelas came with a warning that some of them wouldn't be usable, ukies wanted them anyway and some of them turned out not to be usable.
              All of that also ignores that Germany has 0 obligation to send anything at all. Why so ungrateful?

              >ITS ALL BRITISH CONSPIRACYS!!
              Take off the tinfoil hat, calm down and realise its pretty much all of Europe apart from France (who is also nearly as bad as you) that thinks your response has been a pathetic effort to pretend you are doing somthing but at the same time sucking a big fat Russian pipe

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most of Europe doesn't really care, anon.
                Get off twitter and live in the real world.

                what about that time you were going about how "hitler dindu nuffin, ebil Poles forced them to attack and ally with gommies". also countless thread about "germoney will beat Poland and take back our land"

                Not him, but do you often have wild delusions and build your entire opinion of a country off of posts you see on 4chan?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd probably go non-German for the tank
    Not because the Leo is shit, but because they literally have no production capacity.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    also, follow-up question: how many active soldiers, tanks, IFVs, APCs, fighters, etc. should the EU army have?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think a better question is what language do they speak, who’s in charge and who pays how much?
      Is the EU strong enough where Portuguese want to fight under a Greek commander?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can you fuck off already. Nobody except eurocommies and illuminati types want a fucking EU army.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cope. Pic related was before the Russian invasion of Ukraine btw, support could well be much higher now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes well it sounds great until you get to the details of what a EU army actually means and how to implement it.

        I’d structure it so the EU Army is English speaking only. Anyone from Europe is free to join but each nation retains it’s own military in a sort of national guard system like the United States.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I agree with this. English is taught en masse in a lot of European education systems and is often the second language (officially/unofficially). Then the countries could retain autonomy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the french would veto this because they hate english even more than the rest of the europhile conglomerate slaves

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Meds.
              France is one of the biggest proponents of the EU army idea.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And is also the biggest opposer to the English language as the main EU language even trying now to get rid of it (and failing) from the EU parliament. Are you retarded or did you not understand the post you replied too? At no point did he mention France veto'ing the Army just the language.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The rate also increased already BEFORE the war. The idea just became more popular naturally. Brits were the biggest opponents and they are gone now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ireland 46%. Highly doubt that.

        The Irish public don't support funding their own military and the army is considered a joke. EU Army is not even a runner.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Irish leftists probably see it as a way to remove their own army.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Support could be much higher
        Fuck no, this war has highlighted the HUGE differences between European nations. Such as France and Germany being slow and reluctant to act sending the most basic things if anything until very late on in the conflict, compared with the Eastern/Baltic and Nordic countries taking a much stronger and more aggressive stance against Russia.

        Europe is pretty divided at the minute, back in febuary it was the worse we have seen it in a long time I cannot see European nations relying on a collective EU military alliance. Especially given the US and UK are usually more than happy to give out defence pacts and also yano the big one NATO...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          France in Germany wouldn't hesitate if an actual NATO or EU member were to get attacked. The leaderships of both nations just saw Ukraine as Russia lite and didn't really get what all the fuss was about, eastern Europe saw it as a chance to massacre Russians which removed every other concern

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Couldn't be more wrong.
            Germany shit itself thinking Russia would shut off the Gas supply and is cucked by them big time.
            Macron had an election and tried to suck Putins cock to stop him invading Ukraine so he could use it as a political victory, they even printed the posters. Also French intel totally missed the ball on how serious the invasion was.

            And let's be honest even if they didn't hesitate what the actual fuck is Germany capable of? Military readiness is basically zero, they struggle to field tanks they cannot train in any serious number over half of all aircraft are grounded pilots are seriously under Nato recommended flight hours. France fairs better in this regard however public will could be different.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Couldn't be more wrong.
              Because both nations tried another approach before committing when no NATO or EU nation was attacked you believe that when a NATO or EU nation is attacked there'd be no meaningful difference?
              What are defensive treaties for when a non-member magically counts as much as a member?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Cucking to Russia 2022
                Cringe

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The expectation was that the rest of the world would react to Ukraine as it did to Georgia.
                The slav mindset isn't well understood in the west.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >they even printed the posters.
              Hope you're not talking about pic related because it was made by some random schmuck on twitter.
              https://twitter.com/AvecEnMarche/status/1493577927144968195

              Macron is an idiot but trusting everything you see on the internet is not much better.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You'd think the USSR would have at least partially immunized the east against propaganda but for some reason they're even more willing to believe the most ridiculous shit about whoever their dedicated target of the minute is than the average normie retard.
                The amount of bullshit takes I've seen here based on retarded Twitter posters that was blindly believed just because a blue checkmark attached is depressing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      stay irrelevant then

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd say a lot of folk would be accepting of an EU army, but a finnic or polish led one. Not a Franco-German one.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >finnic or polish led one
        Drop the visegrad meme, Poland has no military experience or leadership experience to provide, Finland's military renown is solely carried by a defensive war in the middle of winter facing retarded commies.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Finland's military renown is solely carried by a defensive war in the middle of winter facing retarded commies
          Yeah, this current war really undermined my previous impression of the Winter War. I thought that it was all Finish heroism and while there was a lot of it, nothing would help against an enemy that wasn't Russians. God damn these gays are bad at war...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I'd say a lot of folk would be accepting of an EU army, but a finnic or polish led one
        Finland has 0 sway, so does poland but poland also has a ton of historic baggage and slavic infighting. There will never be eastern-european leadership in the EU because while they can set up temporary alliances to tell the west to go fuck itself sometimes, they have no leader and all hate each other.
        The intermarium shit is a pipe dream, not because it wouldn't be good for the countries but because they can't work together.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I would not let Poland lead a parade let alone my army.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      An EU army would probably be a nightmare to organize, but I think you'd have a higher chance of creating local-regional armies, for example one for the V4 group, one for the Nordics, one for western Europe, one for Southern, etc.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    also, would it be reasonable to operate both Rafale and Gripen, kinda like the American F-15/F-16 duo, or would that be pointless?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/dTqEAae.jpg

      Would this be a good loadout for an EU army?

      Haven't more EU countries signed up for F-35s than any of those two?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >pic

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    famas felin
    ameli
    p90
    fk brno
    ariete
    sisu
    bvp2
    archer
    mangusta
    lynx
    gripen

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ariete
      based and retardedpilled

      looks good but let's face it, euro helis are expensive crap.
      swap them for apaches and blackhawks

      italian ones aren't

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    looks good but let's face it, euro helis are expensive crap.
    swap them for apaches and blackhawks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tiger HAD is very comparable to the Apache, slightly lower weapon load, much longer range.
      AW149 seems pretty comparable ot the Black Hawk too, just newer
      also there's obviously a political interest in having your own weapons produced locally, and the EU together could easily afford to develop even major projects

      I'd say a lot of folk would be accepting of an EU army, but a finnic or polish led one. Not a Franco-German one.

      it wouldn't be led by Finland, Poland, France or Germany, but by the EU.
      you don't wonder whether the US army is led by Texas or California either.
      What's required is giving more power to the EU authorities so they take over command from the national governments.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it wouldn't be led by Finland, Poland, France or Germany, but by the EU.

        Goymoneyan hands typed these posts.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it wouldn't be led by Finland, Poland, France or Germany, but by the EU.
        So by the soft soviet union? That's a guarantee for failure.

        The EU is the worst thing that happened to Europe since protestantism.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          EU is the best thing that could have happened to the Europe as a platform for cooperation and competition on a shared market of goods and ideas. It's vastly superior to both alternatives - collective protectionism that impoverishes and weakens everyone, or obscure trade deals with courts even less transparent and democratic than we have now.

          i hate france/germany/belgium/netherlands so goddamn much. those dogs literally beg on their knees to be subjugated by a multinational government, then throw away their own identity to become "european". why the fuck are western europeans such a perfect slave race?

          t. toilet cleaner/plumber

          I love Poland and would have much more respect for this sort of sentiment if it actually pulled off acting like a regional power it has potential to be without its continuous self-sabotage.
          Also I'd have expected specifically Poles to have learned the disaster of 'liberum veto' after what it cost them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I love Poland and would have much more respect for this sort of sentiment if it actually pulled off acting like a regional power it has potential to be without its continuous self-sabotage.
            unfortunately the polish national pasttime is either infight over petty bullshit with each other, or shit on our allies when we get bored of infighting. we only seem to wake up if there is a risk to the country. this prevents us from having any sort of regional relevance, at least for now

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Skip the Beretta and make it a USP
    t. gigachad

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Tigre
    no

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >german equipment
    why would anyone ever buy shit from them? Even if they'd sell spare parts to you in a war, they'd have 16 month leadtime or something

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Rafale instead of the Eurofighter
    >Worse aerodynamics for A2A
    >Much smaller radome
    >Worse and older AESA radar than the newer Eurofighter tranches
    >Space for only 2 METEORs instead of 4
    when will this meme die

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Eurofighter cocksuckers at it again
      We don't need strong A2A to counter the non-existent Russian air supremacy, the Rafale is much better at ground support and deep strike missions than the memefighter.
      Jerking off slightly better turn rates at specific speeds is liquid autism.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no drones
    >no information gathering
    >no defensive counters
    trash

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just based it off this template that was posted here a while ago, you're free to add stuff if you like

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously... it's continental yurop anon, they will have to ask the UK to do all of that important stuff as usual.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no information gathering
      Enter Portugal

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no centauro 2
    NGMI

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      honestly there's no "wheeled TD" spot

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s fine/good except for the helicopters (both have a poor reputation) and change the aircraft to a F35 (shitload of euros use them anyway).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >AW149 has a bad reputation
      has it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tiger HAD is well-liked by its crews
      who said anything bad about the AW149?
      >F-35
      the point is to have Euro made weaponry
      there should be an Euro 5th/6th gen fighter, but realistically you're right ofc, since an EU army is still unrealistic

      I think a better question is what language do they speak, who’s in charge and who pays how much?
      Is the EU strong enough where Portuguese want to fight under a Greek commander?

      >language
      English
      >who's in charge
      EU parliament has to ratify missions, and a defense department of the EU commission becomes the organizer
      >who pays how much
      everything financed by the EU (common fiscal policy, unlike now, is required too)

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remove all German gears and that should be done.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i hate france/germany/belgium/netherlands so goddamn much. those dogs literally beg on their knees to be subjugated by a multinational government, then throw away their own identity to become "european". why the fuck are western europeans such a perfect slave race?

    t. toilet cleaner/plumber

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based Polish Euro hater.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cope

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and what does new conglomerate trooper has to do with eu?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >and what does new conglomerate trooper has to do with eu?
          That idiot probably thought its the same color as the blue crayon. If anything the EU is vanu.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >t. Peter Jaansens posting from Brugge, trying to ignore the fact that he has no culture and language of his own, and likely seething that he has to even use english instead of french/german/dutch on this website

        https://i.imgur.com/8IhoRk1.jpg

        Based Polish Euro hater.

        anglos have their own problems which make you guys retarded in your own way, but anglo retardation is better than west euro retardation

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No culture. Brugge?
          zuig min pik ma hard, want meer kan je nie doen me je misvormde smikkel rond kind.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he insults me in dutch because there is no belgian language

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Belgium isn't even a country, it was invented by the English to piss off the French.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God that is cringe, how shit must your nation be to think of the EU in such regard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Decades of submission to US interests. It's not hard to want a master when your entire political class from the right to the left is being US raised and US lobbyied. The EU is an extension of the US State Departement (so the worst part of the US).

      The people are having none of it look up the referendums for european constitution the french and the dutch people (the only ones that were asked) said a big fuck you to it.

      It's coming down though.
      Between the Euro crash (that no one dares speaking of, because it's 100% the result of the russian counter-sanctions and self-inflicted retardation) and the southern countries "fuck you" to germany latest "plz give us your energy for free in the name of friendship".

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the vatnik is entirely incapable of seeing relationships as anything other than a master-slave dynamic, this goes doubly so for foreign relations

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The EU is an extension of the US State Departement
        >Euro crash is the result of the russian counter-sanctions
        b8 or retard, either way kys

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The € crash is because one thing only: we use to buy our energy from Russia in €.
          We now have to pay them (because we still pay them) in RUB (counter-sanctions).
          As long as we payed in € the BCE could print more € and face no consequences and oh boy did they print some ("quantative easing", etc...).
          And every new non-russian contract from the gulf or elsewhere is in now $ to worsen the blow. Add russia and china getting rid of their € as reserve currency (counter-sanctions)
          And the result is the € value is melting like snow in the sun.
          Meanwhile the RUB is at an all time high.

          None of this shit is rocket science, it's basic economy, but you will not see anyone but fringe type economist mention it.
          Because if a major publication did there would be a risk of a fucking bank run EU wide.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >one thing only
            >basic economy
            the fact that all this is coming in after literal decades of ECB brotry despite the massive IT boom, welfarism slowly squeezing free enterprise to death in yurop, and oh yeah the fucking coof has "nothing" to do with it, amirite

            RUB is just the straw that broke the camel's back. all this has been a long time coming

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >We now have to pay them (because we still pay them) in RUB (counter-sanctions).
            lol diaspora rusmoron spreading lies

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can you vatnik sub human see things from a perspective different than serf - master relationship ?
        Is that why you got no problem being dominated by a class of corrupt plutocrats ?

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Change Attack helo out for literally anything else in European inventory.

    Change Rafale to a jet that can actually use most of the European inventory like Gripen or Typhoon.

    Other than that, pretty good.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it would just be prayer rugs

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m seeing a lot of Germanic bias. I can see there being in-fighting over what company from what nation/state wins what contracts.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean what else should we take? Europe’s weapon industry is small than it was during the Cold War.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No EU army without an EU state. The EU comission does not have any legitimacy to control an army. The european parliament doesn't have enough either. Make a coalition of the willing in europe and form a true state with a single government and a two chamber system. And a lot of local autonomy - states also have a national guard.

    Equipment will be bought from the best supplier, with ZERO considerations where it was designed or will br built. The local entity pays back all the tax money and a given, previously agreed extra sum to the central government.
    If a monopoly structure begins to form, other companies receive "development orders" where they develop gear without actually having to build it in numbers. This keeps the big suppliers on track. National guards can also be made to order from those secondaries, preferably from their area. So for example, the EU army would get german IFVs and tanks, but some national guards get french or scandinavian ones. National guards would be purely for local defense, so there's no big maintenance and logistics problem caused by different vehicles.

    In total, the EU state should have:
    -At least one first rate and one second rate aircraft supplier. Thinking of an expanded dassault and a airbus-saab joint venture here, respectively. So for example FCAS would be all french, but airbus and saab would make a second rate plane in case Dassault fucks up. Both would make a variety of drones (much simpler than true next gen fighters).
    -At least one first rate and one second rate armored vehicle supplier. EU currently actually has three first rates, with Nexter, KMW and Rheinmetall. If Nexter and KMW truly fused, we would have two and let them battle it out who becomes which. Armored vehicles below tanks are actually comparably simple and several other manufacturers could survive as well.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      -I don't know about structures in military ship building, but similar logic could apply. The EU should maintain two carriers and suitable blue and brown water navies, but nothing excessive. Noone has the will to reach parity with america and noone has the will to do adventures in east asia, so leave it at that.
      -The EU will be a nuclear power. Both central army and national guards (if they so wish) can maintain nukes. For example, if poland were ever to join (just kidding) the polish national guard would get nukes so they won't fear being sacrificed by a german-french government. Full nuclear triad with world wide reach.
      -Most other equipment is small fish and production should be geographically distributed. For some stuff, one could imagine several companies producing the same stuff - for example, an FN-designed rifle would be chosen but HK, Beretta and CZ also produce batches of those rifles.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't the CV90 quite old at this point (same for the Leopard actually)? A more modern vehicle would be more future-proof.
    Realistically you'd have two different phases in the creation of an EU army (not necessarily one after the other, but they may progress at different speeds):
    >creation of a shared/unified command structure
    As in, who controls the army? Is it actually one army or several smaller armies with standardised equipment in a defence pact? Would some areas of the military be under this centralised command (like for example the tanker fleet - European Air Transport Command - the navy, a military satellite network, strategic weapons), while others are under national control?
    >creation of a pool of standardised equipment
    Somewhat already in place, thanks to NATO/OCCAR/PESCO. As military equipment gets more expensive to develop and produce, you'll see more shared programs as the European (and western) military industry continues to integrate. But still, it would be necessary to decide how the budget is allocated for R&D and production (for example, is it all pooled together and then spent at the EU level or is it spent at the national level in binding procurements programs like with PESCO/OCCAR?). A method to share funds and production facilities in a more equal manner would be to follow the same structure ESA uses (as in, country X invests Y amount of euros into an ESA program, then ESA will buy equipment worth Y amount from manufacturers in that country).

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This should be the standard uniform pattern

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why are germans fucking antagonising Poland? if you fags stopped idolising hitler at every occasion or bringing up "muh gibs" we wouldn't hate you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >germans fucking antagonising Poland
      >idolising hitler
      Polish lies as usual. It is poland that antagonizes germany, with their government and media lying about evil germany more often than saying the truth.
      And we do not idolize hitler, we endlessly apologize for hitler.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what about that time you were going about how "hitler dindu nuffin, ebil Poles forced them to attack and ally with gommies". also countless thread about "germoney will beat Poland and take back our land"

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >okay so it's not real but what about these posts on an anonymous imageboard????
          holy fuck
          You do realize that spergs talking shit on PrepHole and the polish media and political parties being obsessed with Germany is a completely different level, right?
          You don't actually believe the people you meet here from any country are representative even if the bullshit you're making up were true, do you?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >countless threads
            Listen up you PrepHole dwelling loser
            If you base your opinion on a country on the actions of PrepHole dwelling losers shitposting on anonymous internet boards, you are terminally retarded. In real life, those are incredibly niche opinions that noone halfway sane holds. There are probably more poles who want to invade germany than there are germans who want to invade poland. So get a grip of yourself. Germany as a whole may now dislike poland (your government is giving us every reason for it) and look down on it (sorry brah) but it has zero intentions of attacking you.

            Most of Europe doesn't really care, anon.
            Get off twitter and live in the real world.
            [...]
            Not him, but do you often have wild delusions and build your entire opinion of a country off of posts you see on 4chan?

            >stop listening to 4chan schizos anon
            >but yeah we think you're even bellow our trash.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >countless threads
          Listen up you PrepHole dwelling loser
          If you base your opinion on a country on the actions of PrepHole dwelling losers shitposting on anonymous internet boards, you are terminally retarded. In real life, those are incredibly niche opinions that noone halfway sane holds. There are probably more poles who want to invade germany than there are germans who want to invade poland. So get a grip of yourself. Germany as a whole may now dislike poland (your government is giving us every reason for it) and look down on it (sorry brah) but it has zero intentions of attacking you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody in Germany ever thinks of Poland while Poles constantly seethe about Germany, anon.

      And then where are the demonstrations? Where are the calls for Scholz to retire? Where are the strongly worded articles in newspapers, or statements from politicians? There are none. Opinions are not enough, there have to be actions. The ukrainian war is a monumentally important event for the future of europe, and germany is failing it. Ukraine can be lucky there are states like the US, or britain, or poland, because relying on the rest of europe would see them long since occupied.

      >And then where are the demonstrations?
      On the streets?
      You can't expect millions to show up since Ukraine has no intrinsic connection to Germany, but it's not like they aren't there.
      >Where are the calls for Scholz to retire?
      They've been there before the Ukraine war.
      >Where are the strongly worded articles in newspapers, or statements from politicians?
      In the newspapers and the mouths of politicians. You don't follow either, do you?
      Go to welt.de or bild.de, the 2 biggest online newspapers at this time and check their stance in regards to ukraine you lying little morongarden gnome.
      >There are none.
      That is a lie.
      >Opinions are not enough, there have to be actions
      Because Germany is responsible for the well-being of Ukraine due to...?
      >The ukrainian war is a monumentally important event for the future of europe, and germany is failing it.
      Is it?
      Why? Will winning the war magically enable Russia to win any war against a NATO ally?
      Russia won't be able to wage any serious war for decades after this.
      >Ukraine can be lucky there are states like the US, or britain, or poland, because relying on the rest of europe would see them long since occupied.
      All of them are using Ukraine for their goals, don't pretend it's altruistic.
      I'm not saying that's bad, but your holier-than-thou attitude is pretty disgusting. At least be honest about it.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >german arms
    trash

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