Would it be possible to combine modern body armor (kevlar, etc) with plate armor to create a perfect defense?

Would it be possible to combine modern body armor (kevlar, etc) with plate armor to create a perfect defense?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yeah.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What does plate armor protect against that kevlar won't?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      stabbings

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        like being stabbed by a bullet?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ice picks go through kevlar.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          obv bait but i will fall for it

          kevlar protects against handguns (lv IIIA usually). handguns generally shoot rounded projectiles. rifles shoot pointy projectiles. see picrel. pointy shit goes through kevlar because kevlar is just a bunch of fibres woven together, which can dissipate a lot of energy without breaking. if the fibres get cut by something sharp/pointy (knife, dagger, spear, rifle projectile) they dont do shit anymore

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Blunt force trauma. Obviously it isn't perfect, but plate was good at protecting against heavy blows from polearms, large swords, even hammers to some degree.

      Obviously people still got concussed having someone tee off on their head with two handed swords or other large items. Rotational forces are not good for the head, neither is sudden momentum.

      Contrary to popular belief, plate stopped fire arms. Quality armor was "proofed" by shooting it from a certain range with pistols or muskets. Some armor we have has been hit by many fire arms.

      What happened was that armor kept having to get heavier and heavier to resist fire arms improvements, and eventually the added weight and cost wasn't worth the safety it added.

      Same thing today. You could make full coverage armor that protects against .30-06 or even up, it's just that it would be hideously heavy and impede mobility so much that it wouldn't actually make you better off.

      Ceramic isn't just lighter than steel, it also disapates kinetic energy better, which reduced behind armor blunt force trauma, injuries from pressure waves generated by non-penetrating rounds. These injuries kill test animals, snap cadaver sternums, and from DoD AARs can lead to broken ribs (flail chest from multiple impacts), collapsed lungs, and dangerous bleed ing and clots.

      Ceramic crumbles and disapates kinetic energy in a manner to crumple zones on cars. So while it is less durable than steel, it has benefits. The main weakness is that it is vulnerable if multiple projectiles hit near the same spot on the armor with similar trajectories. Luckily, hitting the exact spot a previous projectile hit the armor with the same trajectory is difficult even in a lab setting, but relatively close strikes cause faliure more often because the ceramic is already compressed or gone.

      Exoskeletons are the only way to get full protection. Then you can layer on weight and force dissipation.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        my Space Marine fantasies are finally beginning to take shape

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        also pike & shot

        300 cheeky cunts wearing ill-fitting mass-produced plate packed together like a can of gay sardines > a pitiful bunch of k(hhv)nightoids

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Considering the unholy weight we make soldiers carry already (140 pounds isn't unheard of), hypothetically a man could wear a lot more armor than what's normal today and still fight in it provided he didn't have to carry much other gear around.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    maybe not with kevlar but you could probably use diamond since it's the hardest metal

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'll give you a charity (you) for your bait

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think I saw something a while about adding layers of Kevlar in front of an armor plate to improve effectiveness. There’s a limit though to how effective armor can be. In the arms race of ammo vs armor eventually there will come a point where it’s no use to create better armor since the energy of the impact will shatter all your ribs. You can wear armor that can stop 50BMG AP but if I shoot you you will still die from the 12,000 ft/lbs transferred to the armor then to your chest.

      Prone to shattering. Hardness =/= toughness

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're fucking retarded. We've had chest plates that can stop BMG cold without injuring the wearer since the eighties.

        In fact, name one person killed via backface deformation. I know of exactly one case in modern history.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >muh impact trauma
        no one is wearing hard ceramics directly on their skin. Stop using youtube comments as your primary source of information.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous.

    That's what I want to know.
    I imagine so. Something like a helmet and visor, with a plate carrier like normal, but plate carrying shoulder pauldrons and then plate steel cladding over the limbs, joints and other such sections. Probably also a good idea to up-armour the left forearm with some kind of ballistic rated shield, as it's going to cover most angles front on.

    The thing about armour, is to work fully, it needs to be reliably safe to take a hit with. Not sustained punishment, but for the wearer to be able to accept the glancing hit to strike their own blow. Which is hard with guns, and why I also tend to say guns are gay, let's go back to pike squares and horses and shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >guns are gay, let's go back to pike squares and horses and shit.
      pike squares were contemporary with guns. In fact, that's what you would use to counter pike squares.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yes, go make it and use it.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    well I'm at around 22kg of weight, at some point it's too heavy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >no cup

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are those anti-grappling nails?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      did you fuck your wife in that suit yet?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      based home made full body armor
      you might want to look into how they spread the weight of plate armor over the body
      A lot of the weight of breastplate would rest on the hips

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That seems oddly heavy for the materials you're using.

    • 1 month ago
      Armourfag.

      based home made full body armor
      you might want to look into how they spread the weight of plate armor over the body
      A lot of the weight of breastplate would rest on the hips

      Attack a strip of elastic with velcro inside the armour, and strap that up so the waist supports it more.
      Also ffs man remove the nails. Only things those are going to do is incentivise a person to go to grapple instead of punching the nails on your guard, and make the armour bulkier and run the risk of getting loose and hurting you.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Full plate was 1.5-2.0mm thick with 24-30 kg weight
    To stop rifle bullet (non AP 5.45/5.56 7N6, m855) you need at least 4.5mm. of super steel (like Armox Advance)
    this will rise suite weight to 40-50 kg.
    To stop 30-06 steel core AP you need at least 10mm of super steel, this will rise suit weight to 90-110 kg.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Actually I punched in wrong numbers it would be 70kg, and 155kg for bullet proof full plate.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Full plate was 1.5-2.0mm thick with 24-30 kg weight
        To stop rifle bullet (non AP 5.45/5.56 7N6, m855) you need at least 4.5mm. of super steel (like Armox Advance)
        this will rise suite weight to 40-50 kg.
        To stop 30-06 steel core AP you need at least 10mm of super steel, this will rise suit weight to 90-110 kg.

        OP clearly says combining plate with kevlar and shit, not 100% steel

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So he wants replace the mail with kevlar?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Steel armor is better (less areal density) against rifle bullets than kevlar. Adding kevlar would make it heavier and much much more thicker and cumbersome

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Might get somewhere by replacing the gambeson with some kevlar equivalent. Would still need chainmail in the joints to protect from knives/pointy things.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SEK in chainmail with plate carrier coming through

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What is the tactical use of this? Dangerous dogs?

      And what is the tactical broom for?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        its for schizos with kives, so they dont have to shoot them but can tactically bonk the knife out of their hands. obviously this is only used when the schizo is not currently posing an active threat to others, i.e. if hes barricaded himself in his flat or shit like that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Dangerous dogs?

        Stabby muslims, so almost correct

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A sturdy stick is a fine polearm, in medieval Britain people often had quarter staffs and just that alone could crack your bare skull open (not to mention break every other bone in your body)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Remember the Englishman who defeated over four Spanish swordsman with just the pole of a decapitated halberd?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No because the main threat is bullets is the most sensible combination if you think youre likely to be stabbed, but be warned. The reason people stopped wearing as much armour when bullets came around wasnt because it was entirely useless, but rather because it makes a gunshot wound much much worse. If youre shot while wearing chainmail or plate, it *will* spall into you, much worse with chainmail and in the past with large musket balls, but its still not great now, having a surgeon fishing around for scraps of metal and broken hoops in a gunshot wound isnt ideal.

      The best combination is whatever helmet, rifle rated metal plate torso, groin, thigh and upper arm protection. Then soft kevlar for the neck and hips, and a hard but light composite for the joints and lower limbs, which doesnt need to stop rifle calibres, but will stop most pistol calibres, shrapnel, and maybe even rifle from a good angle or distance if you get a good enough one. Then largely dont bother protecting the rear/inner limbs as theyre less likely to be hit. As for the face, the glass shields are better than nothing, but any rifle calibre is likely going straight through. You might be able to make metal face protection but its going to be heavy, you could have the weight rest on the shoulders with additional composite plates and soft kevlar, but this will inhibit movement and will likely inhibit both shouldering the gun properly, and aiming it properly. Theoretically possible though, especially if he is a big guy.

      • 1 month ago
        Armourfag.

        Helmet isn't too much of an issue if weight is evenly spaced, as it balances on your spine.
        If you must, a line at the back, connecting to the chestpiece that can act as a suspensor to the helmet could also work to stop the helmet slipping forward.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think the main take away from plate armor for modern protection would be the use of shape to get more glancing/deflecting blows.
    But since most kinetic protection relies on absorbing the energy I don't think that this would help much.
    Also plate protects best against slashes.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sort of. Our carriers use steel backed by kevlar so the theory is sound. The problem is that the end result is going to be less effective than ceramics and kevlar. Ceramic are very stiff so they spread the impact out. They'll also shatter to absorb kinetic energy.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wut aboot the new plastic ballistic armour that stopped a .50 cal in a Demolition ranch Video not too long ago. Polymer = good lulw

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I find fixed gorgets that attach to helmets to be really clever. I saw a really good demonstration of an example I long time ago and I can't find the video now, but here's something similar.

    In the video I saw, the gorget (or collar) was fixed to the breast plate and back plate. The helmet had a circular base that attached to the circular top of the gorget to allow for the head to turn left and right. There were also mechanical stops installed to prevent the neck being broken from turning too far. (I've heard about a motorcycle jacket that does something similar to protect elbows during a accident) The result of this is any impact to the head is transferred to the body. Downward impacts would still be transferred to the shoulders, but there's just no good way to prevent broken collar bones.

    I think you could use this concept to make a truly rifle rated helmet. Though laying prove might require a little more innovation, some or all of the weight would me taken off the head and it could reduce the risk of just being left with a broken neck anyway.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The result of this is any impact to the head is transferred to the body.
      This was also a core advantage of the froghead jousting helmet if I'm not mistaken. It's an earlier, simpler design and doesn't allow the head to rotate as much as that one but it did help to make jousting a far safer ordeal.
      I saw a lecture about it once and it did do a really good job of explaining why the fatality rate of jousting was much lower in the 15th century. It got to the point we still do full contact jousting with mostly 15th century style gear with rarely any fatality.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds heavy, hot, restrictive in movement, and uncomfortable. With newly engineered materials to reduce weight and bulk, maybe it could work.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      *shoots your foot*
      What now anon?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    titanium chads rise up

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Proper ballistic armor steel (not just AR500) used as a strike face in front of thickly layered PE can legitimately work as a III+ plate. So OP's crazy idea isn't quite as far-fetched as it sounds. Will it be ridiculously joint-breakingly heavy, expensive, and only good up to maybe M855 at normal velocities? Yes, but it'll work as rifle-rated ballistic armor with the added bonus of the larger plates stopping some edged/stabbing weapons.

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