Would a united federal EU be a worthy military power?

Estimating only by home military-industrial complex and resources.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It would be 2nd military in the world. Then China. Then whatever the fuck. I assume that UK and Switzerland would join a EU.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It would be 2nd military in the world
      Arguably could be the first. Highly depends on how well it would tardwrangled.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Naw we Euros don't have the army complex like.in the USA. Things would be less expensive and less refined for sure, but still up to Nato Standard. Of course, it would cost even less. Every country chips in with 1% budget and you have a 190 billions giant. Only problem: French would shill their equipment so much it would be annoying.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yroop has several countries with pretty decent MIC on themselves, assuming EU would unite in some semi-federation form, cumulative synergy can go off the charts well into and possibly above US levels.
          As soviet MIC was much stronger than just a sum of break away republics MIC, so united EU MIC would be much more than a sum of eu countries MICs.
          But again, it's all just a possibilities and highly depend on exact management.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >He doesn’t know that America occupies most of the spots in 1-10 by virtue of having three ground-ready invasion arms, two different navies and three Air Force arms
        >The state of Texas by itself has a larger Air Force than half of the EU put together
        >No part of Europe can project power, no logistics arm, no massive world-encompassing trillion dollar satellite constellations, just a few private companies and the satellites that France put up in the 60s-70s
        >Better than America
        Your post was bad and you should feel bad.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >he doesn't understand the difference between separate countries and federation
          Sorry Bill, daddy comes back home.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It would be 2nd military in the world. Then China. Then whatever the fuck. I assume that UK and Switzerland would join a EU.
      Fuck off. The EU is far more advanced in everything from chip making to metallurgy to avionics than China, the European nations would rip Chinas military apart. Consider this. The Chines bought the export version of the S300. Now consider this Europe has a standing army of 1.3 in uniform and multiple elite tier 1 forces and extremely advanced weapon systems. China would get fucking obliterated by the Europeans. Sick of this retarded fucking propaganda from shitholes like china and India and Russia clogging up this board like turds that won't flush. The EU states have an air force that would blow China out of the sky and an an army that would eat the poor shivering yellow little propaganda minions. Just fuck off.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think you need to reread what that anon said.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        ? Man Inam saying that Usa would be first, Eu second and then China 3, but it would not be '3' like in 'competitor', of course. I forgot Japan tho, although they are more defensive

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What the hell is even that map.
    Norway has never been in the EU. Brits are out.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Norway
      Anon, look closer at borders.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    this is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen since I looked at my own reflection this morning.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It would be just above China I think, the EU combined has similar defence spending, a smaller population, but better access to technology. It would of course depend if it had an actual unified army with common procurement or just a number of national armies with a common command structure but no real integration beyond that.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Switzerland migrate east?

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What motivation would EU members have to contributing to an EU army when they would rather spend it on themselves?
    How would the command structure look?
    What happens when there a conflicts of interest?
    How will the EU react when inevitably it gets considered a Germany-led project by the public?
    What language is used?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What motivation would EU members have to contributing to an EU army when they would rather spend it on themselves?
      Spending efficiency and economies of scale, same reasons for every other common EU project
      >How would the command structure look?
      Most interesting question. I assume the Council would control it with unanimous majority for non-defensive use
      >What happens when there a conflicts of interest?
      Same thing as when it happens now in other areas, it would depend on the issue I guess
      >How will the EU react when inevitably it gets considered a Germany-led project by the public?
      It would be France-led most probably, but in any case it would probably be done under enhanced cooperation so states could just refuse to join or wait a bit if they are unsure about its utility
      >What language is used?
      English, like with NATO

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >>What motivation would EU members have to contributing to an EU army when they would rather spend it on themselves?
        You retards do realise there are already EU battlegroups? You do realise that?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          EU battlegroups are far from being a true EU army.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >EU battlegroups are far from being a true EU army.
            The EU battlegroups could tear through Russia like crap from a goose and you know it.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, but could they establish EU neocolonial protectorates over Africa? Could they place a nuclear-powered carrier to defend the spaceport in French Guyana? Could they invest in a double-purpose EU moonbase? Yeah thought so.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Spending efficiency and economies of scale, same reasons for every other common EU project
        Yeah, the same thing they get from NATO along with being able to pass the bulk of the tab off on the mutts.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          NATO is one layer above, it would work like this
          >now: NATO -> several European armies
          >then: NATO -> EU army
          Plus NATO/the US do not solve all European security issues. When Turkey threatened Greece it was France and Italy that sent warships, not the US or NATO.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fair point. But do you really think that, after 3 generations of social welfare spending that Europeans are going to pick up the tab for more military spending and less gibs?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              A unified procurement mechanism could mean better capabilities while keeping spending the same. You save a lot of money if you build a lot of units of a same tank/plane/ship/whatever instead of buying small quantities of different models doing all essentially the same thing.
              Other things are even more obvious, for example European nations until like last year didn't have a common law regarding ammunition certification, so ammo had to be tested every time it was moved across borders, at huge costs, which was absolute nonsense. Now it has a single EU rule which is the same everywhere.

              I also suspect defence spending will increase in Europe in general in any case.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >merged austria, switzerland, germany and im assuming liechtenstein
    >portugal and spain
    >ireland and uk
    >slovakia and czechs
    >fucking balkans from 30 years ago
    >sweden and norway
    >bigger ukraine
    >bigger greece
    >lithuania and latvia
    >königsberg gone
    yeah

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Italy has its extended 1939 borders

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    unite or die, eurolosers
    War makes the State, and the State makes War

    you can't rely on the US to underwrite your security forever

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe in 100 years Turks will become less degenerate and join to make the world's biggest superpower. Just have to make sure we don't have the same retarded political system with first-past-the-post where you end up with two parties literally just working against each other's interests instead of looking ahead.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >united federal EU military

    Miss me with that shit. Reinstitute the SPQR and reform the Legio III Gallica.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"Miss me with that shit"
      Desidero me quod cacas
      Ftyf

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Won't work with the amount of corruption in some member states.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The EU is already a military power second only to the US. You want more than that? Why?

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fixed. If there is Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, united Iberia, Scandinavia, Baltica and Finno-Karelo-Estonia, then Ukraine and Belarus also should be one country a.k.a. Ruthenia.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      imo there is more than one option for central/eastern option.
      belarus + ukraine
      belarus + poland
      poland + ukraine + belarus + lithuania -> commonwealth.
      Without merging anyway them but with balkans create intermarium.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I could see some kind of pan-Slavic federation happening before a united Europe. Also, I'd bet money on Bongland becoming the 51st state before the century is out (de facto if not de jure).

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          nah, USA is supporter of consolidation of central-eastern europe so i would say poland wont become 51 state but create intermarium. It would be more like pan-balto slavic federation. From USA perspective it would be great ally for keeping peace in europe against russians and if germany find funny idea again.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Does making neofrancia with france and italy count as funny?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              just ask if you put pineapple on pizza and you got civil war.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                ... we mostly only put pineapple on toast anyway.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                anyway i would say that italy and france got own ideas of imperium while poland-belarus-ukraine-baltcs got this idea via commonwealth and imo it works like meth, at some point they would try it again.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Any pan-slavic federation is much less likely to happen that uniting the entire Europe, because there is no gain in slavic federation. Economy would be mediocre, army would be mediocre, internal affairs would become much more complex. If EU and NATO both fall apart and Russia regenerates in a few decades, a common Polish-Ukrainian-Belarusian-Baltics pact would be assembled, with only purpose being mutual assistance in case of invasion, maybe even with finns and romanians, but still very unlikely to happen

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, you could give it to Lithuania, not like it really matters but at least borders would look good.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As a Hungarian I Kek’d to this. Also I’d cry tears of joy if we retook Constantinople

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    MBT 130 >>> Panther KF51

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is the dream nevermind how fuckinng retarded and unrealistic it would be to even get close. Can we ask the burger MIC to create a 10 trillion costing wrangler for this

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, If Europe is gonna be united under one rule for the first time since the fall of the Western Roman Empire it'll have to be via democratic(ish) means. Everyone who has tried to do it via military force has failed and only Napoleon actually came close to pulling it off.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Alas a man can dream for it to happen some day

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >born likely too early to live in united Europe with military larping as Roman Legions

          I feel peace knowing it will eventually happen even if too late for me to see

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    One day, brothers... we are halfway there.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Whoever wrote that out doesn't know US law. In the USA, states are considered independent sovereigns, which is why each state has its own constitution and also why states cannot file for bankruptcy protections (whereas, municipalities can). Also, federal law is only supreme in areas where the federal government is allowed to govern. Otherwise, state law is supreme.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It could be IF they wanted to. But they seem more content letting the USA do the job. Works now, might not always work however. Europe needs to be able to defend itself if that happens.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >leave hungarians out for being russian cocksleeves
    >include and expand serbia
    be more consistent anon

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ENTER

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      But who nuked Switzerland?

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paneuropean union won't work, certainly not after the ukraine business. The east does not trust the west. Rather there will be partial unions, something like extended visegrad, scandinavia, maybe a sub-EU with france, germany and benelux. Those could work. And france+germany+benelux is enough economic power to mostly keep up in military tech (FCAS without the political bullshit etc.) so there's really no need to go any further. China is only an economic threat (to europe) and will be countered economically, which the EU is already equipped to do.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It would be a dysfunctional shitshow. I can't speak for the fuckery in eastern europe, but the UK and France would regularly get into dispute about who should lead what operations.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >EU federalizes
    >tries to build a standardized military
    >Federalized EU collapses within a month

    The French alone would be capable of destroying that dream with their frustrating French habit of promising to cooperate on a joint venture and then backing out later and developing their own weapon/vehicle/aircraft. Even if it lasted a few years, eventually the French would secretly start arming the Baguette Brigades with native designs while locking up non-French weapons in warehouses. A Polish unit using standardized equipment in the EU Army will show up for a training exercise one day and see a bunch of Baguette Bois driving around in Leclerc 2s, Jaguar 2s, Griffon 2s and Caesar 2s all while carrying FAMAS 2s and snacking on pre-federalization French MREs.

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