Would a hollow point bullet with steel penetrator make sense?

Would a hollow point bullet with steel penetrator make sense?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Laughs in m855a1

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This

      .... fricking shit!
      wanted to post slow motion of M855A1 hitting gel block..... https://www.youtube.com/c/thewoundchannel deleted all videos!

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not literally but sure basic idea is what simple AP ammo is. The challenge is in actually making it precisely enough that it's not ludicrously inaccurate.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not really, but you're getting there, sort of. For handgun cartridges, just don't bother, unless you're doing some wonky shit with monolithic copper rounds or something and you can get ~2kfps or better, which, good fricking luck.

    If you were to take a .308 round, or something similar, and you were to snip the tips and very slightly hollow them out with a drill press, then contract a Chinese company via Ali Baba to make some tungsten weights with a certain shape (30 caliber tangent ogive, ideally) and a shaft like picrel, then you're getting somewhere.

    Doing so wouldn't explicitly be illegal in the US, but it may be implicitly illegal. It's a gray area, so you shouldn't do that, but academically speaking, that would give you some questionably reliable means of punching plates. At least the commercial kind, some of the special purpose plates operators get can be exotic.
    Also, anytime you deal with Chinese businesses, you have to be spectacularly autistic with how you outline the specs, tolerances, what constitutes acceptable product, negotiate payments to not include anything you were sent that doesn't pass your QC, and you'd better have the means to test the metallurgy yourself.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Would a hollow point bullet with steel penetrator make sense?
      Not really, the hollow point won't expand correctly with the perpetrator inside it, so you basically end up with a saboted AP round except the sabot sucks ass because it's so heavy.

      >then you're getting somewhere.
      No, you're just making worse sabots.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >unless you're doing some wonky shit with monolithic copper rounds or something and you can get ~2kfps or better
      >which, good fricking luck.
      You rang?

      You're a big guy

      Ux4

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Genuinely forgot about this

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Which a criminal shame. Probably the coolest genuinely interesting thing done with a caliber/pistol combo in recent memory.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There was an anon who was doing exactly that, but he melted the lead out, pressed tungsten into the copper jacket and refilled the voids with lead. He used to post here all the time, was legal

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It's a gray area
      Nope. It's flat out illegal.
      AP is any ammo than CAN be fired from a pistol. .308 pistols have been around for quite a while now.
      Only type 10 FFLs are allowed to make AP.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      almost anything at over 2k will penetrate Kevlar, hardened steel at that speed, with the right shape, will punch through lv3 steel or Poly plates. Tungsten would do it no problem. That's very achievable with a light projectile in a powerful pistol cartridge.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You seem to have no understanding either of how a hollow point projectile works, or how a penetrator projectile works.

    You need to be 18 or older to post here

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it would make the hollow point worse than without something rigid inside.
    it wouldn't be a great penetrator because of all the mass in the hollow point.

    you COULD design it to specifically defeat soft body armor, which is quite easily defeated by a pointy hard bit, and keep it as capable a hollow point as possible. but it's probably not wortwhile. if you think you might need to defeat armor, might as well go full armor piercing. or use something like a THV which would probably defeat soft armor but in a more simple form.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like Pope's hat
    At firat i thought this was assassination thread lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Looks like Pope's hat
        At firat i thought this was assassination thread lmao

        I love this place.

        https://i.imgur.com/LKFHqYH.png

        Would a hollow point bullet with steel penetrator make sense?

        Yes. Libra snail is an example. 2kfps ~45grain projectile

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn this basically the concept behind that dagny dagger project? I wonder whatever happened to that, but I assume the ATF got big mad and reclassified it as illegal when it got a bit too far.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Wasn this basically the concept behind that dagny dagger project?
      Yea
      >I wonder whatever happened to that,
      It was a success. He's currently selling penetrators in batches and the files to print the sabots are available online
      >but I assume the ATF got big mad and reclassified it as illegal when it got a bit too far.
      moron, the reason the dagny dagger was a thing is because the definition of armor piercing handgun ammo is a very specific STATUTORY definition, NOT regulatory. The dagny dagger dodges it by using a hard nickel dental alloy instead of a banned material like tungsten or steel.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Yea
        Are you moronic? The Dagger is a special penetrator with a sabot. It has nothing to do with "hollow points"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >moron, the reason the dagny dagger was a thing is because the definition of armor piercing handgun ammo is a very specific STATUTORY definition, NOT regulatory. The dagny dagger dodges it by using a hard nickel dental alloy instead of a banned material like tungsten or steel.
        I always thought too much ado was made of his novel alloy, basically anything would beat IIIA at the speed he was getting with the shape of that needle. Aluminum, Tin, Nickel, even Lead. He was getting over Mach 2, if I recall.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You have to be at least 18 to post here.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It would be extremely painful

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're a big guy

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As others have said, M855A1 exists. That said, it would be pretty cool to press some TiG welding tips into a copper hollow point. Just make sure account for the pressure changes from the heavier projectile.

    Pic related:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3239259/

    Just because we are doing this thread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Has anyone ever seen any tests (either video or documented in text) of the rifle caliber THVs? That's what I'm really interested in.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No it has to be circumcised

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >what is armor piercing composite rigid

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Would a hollow point bullet with steel penetrator make sense?

    Kek.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think Russia may have done something like that. The steel was enough to beat IIIA armor, but the HP otherwise had decent terminal performance.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i knew an old dude that put small steel bbs in the end of his hollow points

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