Women shouldn't be in the military. It's amazing this used to be a debated topic 7 years ago and now it seems like everyone against it gave up
Women shouldn't be in the military. It's amazing this used to be a debated topic 7 years ago and now it seems like everyone against it gave up
There are roles even a man in the wheelchair could fill up. Why fight against additional manpower?
A man in a wheelchair is still a man.
You don't need upper body strength to annihilate a Russian column with an Apache. Just a thumb, and last time I checked women have those.
You need your apaches to have a good readiness rate and not be disabled by bad conditions at your FOB
TIME reported on a study of combat readiness, and accidents of helicopter crews with women and without. As I understand it the report showed increased readiness, and less accidents with at least one female crew member. Yes the Apache was included in the report.
I wonder if that is because men are less likely to do stupid shit when women are around
Yes, but you have to interpret is as "men are less likely to take risk when a woman is around". That's not necessarily a good thing in warfare.
Necessarily it is a good thing for a helicopter crew
It's actually a good thing for almost all sections of the military. The biggest problem with junior leaders isn't too much caution, it's too much aggression.
None of these things are true. The exact opposite infact.
>Time
>reported
So the opposite must be true
I remember my Grandma (one of the first women in America to study at the library of congress) used to have Time on her coffee table every day. I used to flip through it as a kid and read so many interesting things. They were legitimately a classy print to have as a light read. Now I can’t think of a single person who would touch a Time magazine let alone pay for one. What a fricking farce our media has become
Why are non americans like this
TIME just puts whatever popular person as the cover simple as
the female thumb is a pathway to many abilities some would consider to be... unnatural
Debatable.
>
>a woman is the equivalent to a paraplegic man
Lmao
Meh, maybe not the front line, but for logistics I don't see why not. Drive a truck from point A to B, free up men for the front, avoid direct danger but still be useful. It's a win win situation
because it takes two women to replace a flat tire on a supply truck, whereas the weakest pog still only takes one.
women just cost more.
So put two women on the job? What does it matter?
The cost of training and supporting one man is cheaper than two women.
If you have funds and don't have enough manpower, women will do. Also, they don't need that much training if you're going to put them into supporting roles.
>1 man vs 2 women
LMAO everyone knows it's 1 man vs 2 women + 1 man they grabbed off his job to accomplish the task. Stop pretending.
That being said I'm 100% for women in the military. Hopefully we can use their future inclusion in the draft infighting to get rid of the draft all together.
There's a telegram post on /misc/ right now showing the tortured raped corpse of a military nurse from the most recent armenian-azerbaijan conflict. When ww3 breaks out we are going to see stuff like this on a massive scale, and just like all other kinds of history repeating itself- gender equality goes out the window when the reality of war kicks in.
I can't wait for incel gangs to make dirlewanger seem tame.
We're already seeing it all over Ukraine, wherever the orc horde has been forced to retreat. But the women and girls and sometimes men weren't necessarily in the military, they were just random people who tried to stay at their homes.
If you're fighting the type of army that does that shit, you're better off in uniform than you are as a civilian.
Not that it makes it right or anything, but she was killed by artillery. They stripped and mutilated her corpse, but there was no rape or torture as she was already dead.
>people are invading and they will rape, torture, and kill anyone they find
Sounds like every man, woman, and child should be trying to repel them.
And there's also Telegram posts showing tortured raped corpses of dozens and dozens of civilian women in Ukraine. Civilian women were raped and tortured to death in many conflicts. If anything, maybe they'll be a bit better off armed, surrounded by men with guns, with air and fire support.
>low effort schizobait
>implying they won't rape the men too
>women in logistics
>women in the military
just no. women should be breeding the next generation of meat for the grinder or keeping the current generation of meat satisfied and destressed.
Women, for logestics. All the women I know constantly loose things, get lost, and have no self awareness.
>skill issue
You aren't hanging out with the right women.
Yea for real. In my unit most of the women are insanely good at everything, even rucking.
What unit? They’re so good they get held to a lower standard then men who do the exact same job.
They have lower PHYSICAL standards. Which yes, very much matters for some jobs, and women should be excluded from those or have to meet the same standards.
But standards for basic where the person is going to work in sigint or logistics or some shit? Doesn't really matter. Brainpower matters, maturity matters, and motivation matters. It's not like plenty of guys don't become fat fricks later and can't preform a single pull-up.
I have to assume that anyone who thinks men are blanket better have never had to deal with any of the drooling morons that had to be let in due to manpower shortages, or are, in fact, those same drooling morons and have to resort to "muh dick," as the only means of justifying themselves, since their performance certainly doesn't.
Agree with your post. I don’t think anyone cares if a woman wants to be a nurse or cook or admin.
I’m not sure if the army is still like this but when they first let women into combat roles they had like 30% of the PT requirements of men for the exact same role. So if your a man and can only do 38 push-ups your a shitbag but if a woman does it she’s a PT stud. This doesn’t make sense when they’re both infantry.
Woman in combat roles destroy unit cohesion. When you are in Afghanistan on a remote fob for 10 months and there’s 2 woman and 30 high T violence loving 18-25 year old men it becomes a contest of fricking those women.
>women
>driving
explain why interest rates for car insurance is highest among young men and not women then
Because, when men crash, it's go big or go home
probably because women don’t drive as much. Less road time = less risk.
>t. Bus rider
Literally any time I see a moron while driving I try to guess who is behind the wheel by looking at the car.
Categories are:
Woman
Black person
Spic
Then I pull up along side and take a look. And you know what? I usually guess correctly.
im not a bus rider im a cyclist
not like it matters since youre racist and misogynistic opinion means nothing
Hearty kek at the San Fran bike cuck LARP. Very subtle.
Because men have been driving since cars were invented and ~~*statistics*~~ don't take that into account.
Golly gee, why do women have less lethal crashes when they've only been driving for a fraction of the time that men have, in cars far more safe than men have endured throughout the history of the automobile?? Truly a mystery.
Of course the statistics take them into account, precisely because they're compiled by israelites (insurance companies) and they want to make money, so they have an incentive to try and offer insurance for as cheaply as possible but not any cheaper, so insurance companies are probably going to offer the most realistic assessment of risk you can find.
It honestly boggles me you think this could possibly be an explanation. Where did you find out this information? Did you make it up? Why?
>tl;sr
YWNBAW, even if you want cheaper car insurance
Exactly. Intelligence, procurement, translation, admin and finance, logistics, drone piloting, etc. There are loads of ways to use women.
Notably, very effective militaries use women. The US, France, the UK, all have substantial female numbers. For Israel it is 40%, as well as for the Peshmerga.
Based tough guy Russia is currently losing despite a substantial firepower advantage, to Ukraine, which has a military that is 22% female.
How you calculate combat soldiers varies, but essentially only about 35% are in combat roles in modern militaries.
>avoid direct danger but still be useful. It's a win win situation
It is if you like rape
Best example of why not to put women anywhere near hostile forces. Even pozzed wikipedia can't hide the truth. Women have their uses in the military, but not outside the wire.
>Drive a truck from point A to B
>woman
>truck driver
Good one anon. I needed a laugh
This was made by a fed or a leftist agency funded by them who has never done anything remotely hard.
Then they frick all the guys in logistics, get pregnant before deployment, and frick up morale constantly.
If they’re good enough for logistics they’re good enough to wait in a trench til they get mortared. Send your frickin women.
have sex
The real reason women didn't go in the military was for population replenishment. So if a woman is sterile, there is absolutely no problem with her fighting.
Internet discourse is fundamentally without value or impact. /k/ is an insulated echochamber and no matter how strong the consensus is here, it wont result in changing consensus in government or within the military CoC, where it would count for something.
This board has undergone multiple waves of election tourism and people in general that find their way here are even more moronic than they were before.
Women should not be in the military, let alone combat roles. The only reason it's being done now is every country outside of SSA and South Asia have at or below replacement rate birthrates.
Surely sending the women off to war, instead of fixing the socioeconomic drivers of the fertility collapse, will boost our birthrates.
>the same people who are kvetching over climate change are cheering over the possibility of humans going extinct in several generations
Native/heritage people in developed countries need to continue to stop having kids so we make more room for all the children developing countries shit out.
they don't get sent to war, they get sent to get dicked down by some pfc minority in some shithole deployment to kuwait
Honestly even as this poster
I completely agree with you. But to fix that to an extent that everyone actively wants to have kids or feel very optimistic about it... It would take an immense amount of policy changes that would be a tough sell even with a blue wave. As is, nothing that is realistically going to happen in the next few years is going make people want to baby boom in the US.
>It would take an immense amount of policy changes that would be a tough sell even with a blue wave.
Imagine not having sex because of the bobble head on TV telling you the world is a scary place.
That's probably not a significant factor, not when compared with stuff like entrenched poverty, crippling debt and the very real possibility of simply never owning a home of your own
Your great grandpappy had children with a lot less resources. You can live at your parent's place and have children and be happy with 0 debt, but marketing depts made that seem impossible in people's minds.
More grade school shit.
Military needs bodies. It doesn't have enough bodies. If women volunteer to be some of those bodies for roles they're suited for, lucky us. We'd probably have more of them, and so more military units, if there weren't such a bad reputation around females getting raped by their fellows before even leave the barracks. Another thing the military is going to have to get serious about if it wants to up recruitment. Being short on people and overlooking 50% of your population is something only the most moronic of morons would do.
>Being short on people and overlooking 50% of your population is something only the most moronic of morons would do.
>*accuses your main recruiting demographic of being "domestic extremists"*
heh, nothin personnel
i don't know what's more moronic, thinking the military wants violent incels or thinking the military needs violent incels
>half of american voters are "violent incels"
>the same half that the military mostly recruits from
ok, now i know what's more moronic
you thinking that your larper idols and illiterate pundits represent anywhere close to half of american voters. honorable mention to thinking the military gives a shit about your politics (you fill a role or you file out - none of the roles a recruiter fills will touch your politics)
it's almost like you fell for the silent majority meme because your brain konks out if it tries to comprehend anything at a bigger scale than the 30 people nearest to you in your echo chamber
Literally look at the number of votes in the last two presidential elections, glowtroon. The military primarily recruits from right leaning demographics, but the president basically declared those demographics enemy combatants. Big mystery why recruitment is down.
lol
lmao, even
it's almost like the right leaning groups are having a demographic collapse because they're run by liver spotted dementia patients with the lead they used to breathe leaching out of their porous bones and all their eligible bachelors are too categorically appalling to women to reproduce
almost like the recruitment is shifting in response to the population, and not because of some conspiracy about weakening the force by making it slightly less gay
almost like you latch onto the conspiracy because you can't stomach the fact your representatives are imploding and your beliefs are a loud but impotent fringe, whose legacy will end with self destruction.
>lol
>lmao, even
Hey man, you're free to address the problems that are driving your recruitment issues any time you like. But things aren't going to get fixed until you acknowledge that you're deliberately turning away recruits because of your hysterical ideological holy war.
>demographic collapse
just because hollywood israelites pretend were fringe society that hat don’t exist doesn’t mean shit moron
meds
>literally every demographic except staunch conservative christians, mormons, JW and Amish refuse to have kids because muh "its cruel to bring children to this world" to the point the entire US will be mormon whites in 2070
>conservatives are doomed!
>mormon whites
Unfortunately mormons are taking in a lot of non-whites. It'll be goblino Mormons vs Amish though and more likely around 2100. I would not be surprised given the threat that the Amish pose to the internationalists if we got some kind of increasingly hostile shit with the Amish communities because they reject diversity, dependence, consumerism, etc. so if you're Amish and for some reason on fricking /k/, take note: arm up now.
Another fed who spends too much time on Reddit.
>The military primarily recruits from right leaning demographics
No it doesn't.
Yes it does. Why would someone who thinks this country is fundamentally racist risk their life to defend it? Have you ever spent time around American leftists?
Fed
No one would have assumed you were an incel until you made these schizo projection posts responding to accusations no one made. Take your meds, touch grass, have sex.
>the grabblers
>women getting raped in the military
We aren’t fricking Russia dude, those prostitutes give it up willingly. Ask ANY service member, they don’t get passed around, they wander to the next new dick
this, easiest way to oust a neverserved is if he thinks women get raped.
>t. been in 8 years and the only rape case I ever seen turned out to be false allegations from the unit meatgrinder
>.t oversimplifying moron
>It doesn't have enough bodies
Have you thought about dropping the clot shot mandates?
Who gives a frick what the military needs?
Is the mighty Afghani Hot Air Balloon force going to fly over?
Is the mighty Iraqi navy going to row their boats over here?
Were the scary Koreans and Vietnamese gonna backstroke all the way over here?
It turns out we never needed you homosexuals since 1812, crazy how right the Founding Fathers and Thucydides were.
Yeah because the reactionaries ran out of interest when the military didn't immediately implode. I think they're all b***hing about trans people and pronouns right now.
Women should be in the military because I think female soldiers are hot.
How do I go about making these
Nothing wrong with women performing logistics, paperwork, medical work, joy division, just have sex
Busty women in camo sports bras with cool guns are literally the best soldiers possible moron artistic frog poster.
Even the Spartans didn't send their women to fight, and those phychos loved war
Military is not just pick gun and shoot, moron. Proper military need pencil pusher and bureaucracy.
Women can be brave and capable fighters.
What a dumbass, why would you have bright blue headwear against a white background while trying to remain undetected
To distinguish themselves to friendlies since they’re a ragtag militia and their uniforms probably don’t match
If there are women fighting, it is either a last-ditch effort for survival, or your nation is moronic
Not all women are useless in war
Women fill many important, less physically demanding roles that are crucial for a functioning military. Both the person enlisting and the military gain when they are in a role they best perform in, no matter what gender they are. Not allowing women in that sense is absolutely braindead
best use for women in army is to get raped by Blacks so army has a reason to put Blacks in prison so army doesn't get a bad rep overseas.
its a type of pre-deployment screening.
Wrong. All armies need a twink brigade of racist white bois for their black warriors to use as they please so that they don’t feel the need to sate their considerable libidos on local women. I would say you’d be the first to be drafted, but we all know you’d signup willingly.
Emmett Till's father was also hung for rape....
by the US Army officials in Italy during WW2 for raping Italian women.
That’s exactly why the twink brigade is necessary. To stop such travesties from happening.
wtf the first time i scrolled past this thread i saw a waman, but now i see peepo
have you served with women?
i have. when i got injured and couldnt carry my own gear, i could barely carry myself, it was a girl who took the job of carrying my pack and kit to base, my backpack on top of her already heavy enough backpack and 2 g3's on her chest, a girl who voluntered to be there. all the other conscripted boys didnt give a shit they would have left me there to die if they could.
a woman willing to fight >>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexual ass boys who doesnt any day.
cool story bro
>that t-shirt
a man of taste
That's the most blatantly obvious lie I've ever read.
whatever
>be /k/
>be weapons and military
>tell real life story about weapons and military..
>ohh noooo thats a lying gay!
ansolute state of all chan's
dunno why i bother with this shit?
try not to step in the congealed ooze from political boards - they don't have any substantive rebuttal to the "more people = can do more things" reasoning so the best they can do is fantasize about women not being people
being a pussy is the closest they've gotten to one since birth. they literally want the state to fix their loneliness for them. absolutely pathetic, an insult to penises
>source: dude trust me
Why is your circumstantial claim more credible than those of the so called incels? Do you think we are just supposed to believe you because you are on the "right side"?
name one war fought recently where women didnt do their part, vs the incels view of it, hurr-durr only men can fight women are weak. the same "men" would get btfo by any fighting woman.
doesnt ukraine fight back russia with something like 12% women in their frontline service right now? its not much but about the highest numbers ever in history and it seems to work well.
its not about being credible or not, or believing in me, that doesnt change the facts.
the facts are out there for anyone to see, problem is most of you never see them you just sit in front of a screen.
Do you honestly believe there are women in any significant percentage fighting in Ukraine?
Not him.
Because the last time I saw female combatans in a webm, a tank was rolling to them and shot them.
>TASER TASER TASER
>*105mm sounds*
whoa how did russia get a old model abrams?
the number i said was taken from a study before the invasion, they really did some effort to get their miltary back up after crimea, it would be a waste to turn down potential soldiers just because they lack dicks then.
turns out the number actually increased lately
https://www.voanews.com/a/female-soldiers-fight-for-ukraine-equality-with-male-peers/6548728.html
>doesnt ukraine fight back russia with something like 12% women in their frontline service right now? its not much but about the highest numbers ever in history and it seems to work well.
Lol no who the frick gave you that number
This entire premise rests on a fairy tale, the actual objective studies conducted by the US marines and army are the only ones not cooking the numbers and they dont agree with the narrative.
I, too, engage in moronic fanfiction on the internet from time to time, anon..
>load bearing vests
>child bearing hips
Pick one
Women shouldn't be fighting wars.
But why not have women doing the other stuff? If you're not a woman hater, why reject their help? Just because they aren't warriors doesn't mean they aren't useful. What would you do if a woman tends your wounds? Hobble out the hospital because she's not a dude? Spit out food that a woman made?
If you were a real woman hater, you would enjoy sending them to die in wars.
Hmmm, let's see, who do I want doing my intelligence reports or logistics. A woman who volunteered with a 120 IQ, who can learn the language of our allies or the enemies, or a conscripted guy who doesn't want to be there with a 90 IQ who dropped out of high school?
You have a limited motivated recruiting pool. Eventually you will begin scraping the bottom of the barrel. This happened even with Iraq and Afghanistan. I would much rather have my unit being supplied on the back end by motivated females who aced the ASVAB than morons on waivers. Some guys who got let in during the GWOT couldn't be trusted to stack rocks, let alone deal with complex supply chains and learn software systems. You hit a marginal point where some women are better for these roles very quickly. Female social dynamics and the distraction they can cause doesnt outweigh the problems of trying to teach unmotivated morons to do difficult jobs like medical treatment, etc.
>muh manpower
Women take up a spot on the manning document, but then get pregnant or injured or sick or whatever and contribute nothing. This is worse than just having fewer people because the bean counters see a unit which is "fully manned" when in reality 50% of the slots filled by females might as well be empty.
I saw this at my flying unit, 5 out of 12 navigators were women for some reason. 3 of the 5 were pregnant or otherwise DNIF at any given time. So in reality our unit was about 75% manned for navigators even though on paper we were 100% manned with 12 navigators. Which meant that the remaining 9 had to do the work of 12.
In a full scale invasion by the enemy, everyone who can fight should.
I’m sure it’s all the 1200 amazons’ fault and the 8800 regular soldiers who were men had nothing to do with it.
yes
>people with no machine gun fight people with machine guns
>must have lost because they had women soldiers present
That’s just one example. There was a famous bayonet charge where they got massacred. Hard to find articles on it because literally anything about these QWEENS is about how awesome they were. Women cannot be infantry
If they're capable, yes.
By capable I mean:
>Same PFT standards
>No waivers
>All in regs
>No favoritism
It is to my benefit, for reasons i wont bother going into detail with, that the us military increasingly be made up of women, trannies and worthless Black folk and spics.
As long as women can meet the standard already set for men, who fricking cares, one of my first CO’s became the CO of the first womens marine corp infantry unit
Here’s the thing, 90% can’t. They had to drop gender blind PT tests because so many women failed. Women still have lower standards than men for the same exact job. You’ll get counseling for having women tier PT scores as a man.
Oooooh, I get it now, OP's picture is actually le sad reddit frog!
I disagree. I know women who shoot better than most men and deadlift 400+lbs. They are just fine at the non-combat jobs as well.. I believe they should be held to the same standards men are when it comes to doing the same job... But in no way shape or form do I believe they shouldn't be in the military. The people who say that shit in my experience are usually incel skeltor nerds who are insecure about women being better than them
>same standards as men
You’d be kicking out 90% of women or lowering the male standard.
anybody ITT saying women deserve a place in the military, or even worse, a place if we waste the time and money running trials for them (which have about a 98% failure rate when not graded on a curve) are war tourist homosexuals who should frick back off to reddit or Elgin AFB shills.
It's wild seeing how many people actually hold a blind visceral hatred for women. You guys need to calm down, go outside, and have sex.
Agreed, but also women should be nowhere near anything frontline military. Working rear line stuff like administration and hospitals is fine, but people trying to push them anywhere near combat arms is actually evil
>Women shouldn't be in the military. It's amazing this used to be a debated topic 7 years ago
This stopped being a debated topic 80 fricking years ago you poltroon. It has never been reconsidered.