Wizard Slaying

Hey PrepHole, fa/tg/uy here, I'm running an urban fantasy campaign and was wondering if iron bullets would be practical for cops to have in order to stop wizards (iron prevents spell casting and nullifies magic). Is there any reason why they wouldn't be viable?

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Or just shoot them before they can cast with normal bullets.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I'm going to assume that there's some kind of pre cast protection spells or physical damage warding in whatever system op is using. I wonder if he's ever read the source book for delta green or either of the versions of Hunter in wod or cod.

      Iron is fine but it's probably going to need its own sidearm since it's harder than lead and will erode barrels pretty fast

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Nah. This is actually the premise of delta green. You can't really defend against a 50 BMG SLAAP round getting shot at you half a mile away. Ironically the most effective weapon in the game is a pickup truck.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No different from a steel bullet in practice.

    For lore purposes you should have the bullet be clad in a material other than steel or iron so it will be gentler on the steel of the barrel. Copper, cupronickel, gilding metal, brass, or zinc would all be decent options to jacket your iron slugs. Silver jackets to make them multipurpose anti-supernatural ordnance might also be cool.

    You could even have them be iron rods that were inserted into lead cores or molds for ghetto handloads if ammo or guns are hard to come by in your world.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Is it very easy to put rods into bullets? Could, say, a street gang that traffics drugs and guns mass produce them? Or is jacketing them easier? The party broke out of prison to get revenge on a wizard vampire who shafted them on their a big heist and can't exactly go to regular stores

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Is it very easy to put rods into bullets?
        Anyone who could handle light machine shop and ammo reloading could do it.
        You're just holding the bullet in a jig while you drill out the tip and then dab a little locktite blue onto the rod and insert into the hole.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Adding on to what this anon describes

        >Is it very easy to put rods into bullets?
        Anyone who could handle light machine shop and ammo reloading could do it.
        You're just holding the bullet in a jig while you drill out the tip and then dab a little locktite blue onto the rod and insert into the hole.

        , you could cast lead bullets with bits of iron embedded in them pretty easily. It would probably make the bullet more likely to fragment when it strikes something, for good or ill, but they would still wreck flesh pretty well.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Sure, nothing weird about iron (steel) core bullets. They're commonplace. As long as it has a jacket made out of softer metal. Otherwise it'll fuck up the rifling.

  5. 1 week ago
    Resident Wumbologist

    Does it have to be iron specifically or is mild steel good enough? If so, it's already a thing.
    Steel core projectiles in copper jackets are common, particularly with ammunition from com bloc countries. The vast majority of military AK, 7.62x54mmR and 9mm Makarov ammunition has steel cores. It theoretically causes accelerated wear on rifling but that's mostly mitigated by the copper jackets.
    When it comes to western countries M855 5.56mm has a steel enhanced penetration core. Some older AP ammo like M61 has a steel penetrator embedded in it. There is also steel shot for shotguns which is meant to minimize lead pollution when hunting waterfowl but many older shotguns can't fire it without damaging the barrel, most newer ones can.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      When iron becomes steel it becomes affected by magic. They stole some enchanted guns in the first session

      Actually, believe it or not, despite what other people in this thread may tell you, steel core bullets are already a thing. Here's the kicker—bear with me: it has to have a jacket made out of a softer metal. What these other clowns probably don't realize is that steel core bullets are actually quite common, so long as there's a coating made of copper, cupronickel, gliding metal, brass, or zinc to protect the barrel.

      So, iron cores could work as well as steel core bullets for penetration right? Or would it be more reasonable that they've been around for longer for anti-wizard warefare?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You wouldn't get the same armor penetration performance out of an iron core because iron tends to shatter.

      • 1 week ago
        Resident Wumbologist

        Iron wouldn't penetrate as well as steel does, but since that's not the objective it should be fine. It's still a chunk of metal moving at around the speed of sound or significantly faster. Although steel is the commonly used bullet material, iron coated in copper would probably be sufficient.

        Would a copper jacket negatively impact the magic property you are going for? If so, that could be a problem since an unjacketed pure iron projectile might not be very good for accuracy and barrel life.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I'm going to assume that there's some kind of pre cast protection spells or physical damage warding in whatever system op is using. I wonder if he's ever read the source book for delta green or either of the versions of Hunter in wod or cod.

          Iron is fine but it's probably going to need its own sidearm since it's harder than lead and will erode barrels pretty fast

          As long as an iron tip is exposed it should be able to break any mana-formed armor. And if any amount of iron is touching a wizard's flesh it'll stop them from casting or healing

          • 1 week ago
            Resident Wumbologist

            Ah, ok then. Iron core copper-jacketed pointed soft points (PSP). You could do that with just about any rifle and most pistol calibers.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Actually, believe it or not, despite what other people in this thread may tell you, steel core bullets are already a thing. Here's the kicker—bear with me: it has to have a jacket made out of a softer metal. What these other clowns probably don't realize is that steel core bullets are actually quite common, so long as there's a coating made of copper, cupronickel, gliding metal, brass, or zinc to protect the barrel.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Steel is common but pure iron isn't, I dunno if that matters to OP's wizards

      Is it very easy to put rods into bullets? Could, say, a street gang that traffics drugs and guns mass produce them? Or is jacketing them easier? The party broke out of prison to get revenge on a wizard vampire who shafted them on their a big heist and can't exactly go to regular stores

      Consider a shotgun, you can fill the shells with whatever plot device you desire and it will be ejected towards your wizarding nemesis at great velocity. Fragments of the true cross, bits of Jesus's foreskin, unicorn horn, whatever. Dragon's Breath rounds are a meme that probably murders vampires really well, and they're commonly avaliable.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It's gotta be pure iron, yeah. I had been thinking about including shotgun shells that contain spells that go off whenever you shoot them. I'll include a bunch with iron pellets and salt and all that now, too

        • 1 week ago
          Resident Wumbologist

          This would probably have to be the go-to approach if the projectile has to be unjacketed pure iron.
          Shotguns shooting iron buckshot and slugs. Could theoretically be semi-auto magazine-fed shotguns, although that depends how you want to write the plot. Pump action tube fed would be more likely since they are cheaper and it's easy to switch projectile types. Given a foster slug design the slugs could be minute-of-bad-guy accurate to 100yd or so.

          Because the shot wad largely contains the projectile(s) barrel wear isn't as much of a problem, although some coating (chrome lining for instance) would be a good idea.

          Also please have a situation where a cocky wizard has a cast iron engine block dropped on or yeeted at him. That would be hilarious.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Look into bola wraps.

    Easy way to put iron manacles on someone at range. Not extreme range but certainly something you can deploy in a combat action.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    don't know but a point blank shotgun hit can instant kill witches

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    what system?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's all homebrew. Originally it was for a generic fantasy game but the same general idea translates easy to urban fantasy as well. I made it so combat would take 5 minutes instead of 5 hours

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Hey PrepHole, fa/tg/uy here
    Stopped reading, goodbye.

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