No they weren't, guns didn't exist then. You're trying to convince me that a time without guns was better than a time with guns? Fat fucking chance shlomo.
Let's look at this stuff: >19th century relic bolt-action >boutique semi-auto build in negligible quantities >super-boutique automatic rifle built in even less quantities >actually innovative rifle, but agian built in irrelevant numbers >shitty anti-tank rifle that was literally pushing obsolescence by the time it was introduced >helmet that was good in 1916 >the least mass-produceable stamped-steel blowback SMG of any major power >a literal pre-WWI throwback >wow, an actually good GPMG >a disposable recoilless rifle, yet another actually practical thing
>The German helmets sadly had awful steel as the Germans cheaped out on lots of production runs.
Wasn't it the other way around? They improved the steel to make it somewhat bullet resistant.
Germany was ahead most countries in thin-sheet metal forming (japan couldn't replicate german late war designs because of that).
>Germany was ahead most countries in thin-sheet metal forming
Germany was ahead most countries in thin-sheet metal forming so they could use cheaper steel in a (by comparison) very deep helmet.
Yeah, they seriously built 11 million semi-auto rifles during the war, not counting experimental projects.
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Nah those numbers seem too high. You're telling me American factories were able to build that many semi auto rifles between 1941 and 1945? With wooden stocks? I just don't buy it.
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>Wehraboo doesn't know how big America is and that that land is like 89% forest
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I'm just saying, the math doesn't check out. Where are the end mills? Next you're gonna tell me that the factories had a roller coaster to entertain the machinists while they were on break.
The M1 Garand was being produced beginning in 1937. Both it and the SVT40 weren't being built in late war Germany undergoing massive bombing and resource shortages. You're just retarded to call 425,000 rifles and irrelevant number.
half a million in a year is nothing to sneeze at you retarded fuck, wow they didn't make 15 million of them like they did with the Mauser because they got bombed. There was as many STG's running around as MG42's which is "irrelevant" due to them being used in a similar manner to the MP40.
In reality the thing Germany needed to up it's game on was Flak, tons of it but it just didn't get enough. That and it's airforce going to shit because fat fuck homosexual couldn't manage a airforce.
>mauser - just a solid bolt action, uh, yeah >parabellum - good early semi-auto handgun >g43 - svt in disguise, why didn't you mention your retarded gas trap relative? >mp40 - a stamped smg, daring we are today aren't we >fg42 - rocket science gun for paratroopers who don't jump >stg44 - too long, can't go prone, heavy, practically fire is only semi-auto, and it's always low on ammo >pzb39 - big boolet gun, look even poles done it the smarter way >mg42 - actually good design and the concept of mmg was innovative for HANS HURRY WITH ZE AMMUNIZION >panzerfaust - most of producted units were 60 and 100 meters max range
I didnt say they were first at anything, I just said they were on the right track with the military tech they developed and utilized during the war.
also it's ridiculous to compare the M2 carbine to the StG44. They were designed for and fulfilled entirely different roles.
>way ahead of the times >just said they were on the right track
also >They were designed for and fulfilled entirely different roles.
Yeah, and an AKS-74u is a sub-machine gun.
>also it's ridiculous to compare the M2 carbine to the StG44. They were designed for and fulfilled entirely different roles.
LMAO, the M1 Carbine just happened to be so good that it competed in the same role anyway. To say nothing of the actual M2 - of which the yanks promptly built 600k while revving DOWN their arms industry. Yeah, you read that right, the yanks flexed on the Nazis so hard, they produced 50% more of their own proto-assault rifle while already drawing down their industries as the war was ending.
https://i.imgur.com/upGsJSm.jpg
The M1 Garand was being produced beginning in 1937. Both it and the SVT40 weren't being built in late war Germany undergoing massive bombing and resource shortages. You're just retarded to call 425,000 rifles and irrelevant number.
So it took the krauts 6 years longer than the yanks and 3 years longer than the Soviets to get a useable semi-aiuto into production, and the Soviets built more than three times as many while getting pushed all the way back to Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad. And this is somehow supposed to make this look better for the Germans?
>of which the yanks promptly built 600k while revving DOWN their arms industry. Yeah, you read that right, the yanks flexed on the Nazis so hard, they produced 50% more of their own proto-assault rifle while already drawing down their industries as the war was ending
You are actually retarded lmao, yeah those "built" M2's were 90% conversions because it's a literal piece of bent metal that changes it from an M1 to an M2.
German composers like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, etc... are why Germany deserves praise. Sure they've had some engineering feets as well, however their largest contributions to humanity was the culture brought about by their greatest composers.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/04/15/europe/germany-nuclear-phase-out-climate-intl/index.html
If Germany keeps going the way it's going it will be in the stone age soon
>every one of those guns is over $2000
Fucking expensive to be a wehraboo. The worst part is that it isn't actual German fans, but turbo Americanist boomers.
You can be a wehraboo on the cheap if you know where to look, a sporterized mauser and p38 can both be had for under a grand, if the mauser isn't bubba'd then you can restore it to a decent condition.
Once getting a repro of any of the other guns is a fools errand though, every single one of them is a piece of shit, I spent thousands on one of those FG42 clones and after a year when I finally got it, it jammed constantly sent it back and after another year it works a lot better but it's such a picky gun that it's not really worth shooting, at least it looks cool.
Legit would have been happier just buying a real MP40 and shooting that.
It really is amazing how much scientific effort went into making Germany stop being the Russians of western Europe.
Things were better in the Stone Age.
hello Uncle Ted
No they weren't, guns didn't exist then. You're trying to convince me that a time without guns was better than a time with guns? Fat fucking chance shlomo.
wehraboos are funny
LMAO
Let's look at this stuff:
>19th century relic bolt-action
>boutique semi-auto build in negligible quantities
>super-boutique automatic rifle built in even less quantities
>actually innovative rifle, but agian built in irrelevant numbers
>shitty anti-tank rifle that was literally pushing obsolescence by the time it was introduced
>helmet that was good in 1916
>the least mass-produceable stamped-steel blowback SMG of any major power
>a literal pre-WWI throwback
>wow, an actually good GPMG
>a disposable recoilless rifle, yet another actually practical thing
I'd call that a very mixed bag right there.
>helmet that was good in 1916
At least the stahlhelm was good in 1916, the Brits and French kept their WW1 helmets and they kinda sucked.
The German helmets sadly had awful steel as the Germans cheaped out on lots of production runs.
Brits adopted the MK3 helmet during WW2.
>The German helmets sadly had awful steel as the Germans cheaped out on lots of production runs.
Wasn't it the other way around? They improved the steel to make it somewhat bullet resistant.
Germany was ahead most countries in thin-sheet metal forming (japan couldn't replicate german late war designs because of that).
>Germany was ahead most countries in thin-sheet metal forming
Germany was ahead most countries in thin-sheet metal forming so they could use cheaper steel in a (by comparison) very deep helmet.
>irrelevant numbers
400,000 G43s
400,000 StG44s
>M1918A2 BAR
250,000
>Bren
500,000
You are retarded.
>~5.5 million Garands
>~1.2 million SVT-40
You heard me.
Also
>comparing general issue to squad support weapons
Come one, wehraboo, you can do better than that.
You forgot
>6.1 million M1 Carbines
No way it was that many carbines
https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/getting-ahold-of-the-m1-carbine/469083
Yeah, they seriously built 11 million semi-auto rifles during the war, not counting experimental projects.
Nah those numbers seem too high. You're telling me American factories were able to build that many semi auto rifles between 1941 and 1945? With wooden stocks? I just don't buy it.
>Wehraboo doesn't know how big America is and that that land is like 89% forest
I'm just saying, the math doesn't check out. Where are the end mills? Next you're gonna tell me that the factories had a roller coaster to entertain the machinists while they were on break.
even if it was that many they probably deserved it
The M1 Garand was being produced beginning in 1937. Both it and the SVT40 weren't being built in late war Germany undergoing massive bombing and resource shortages. You're just retarded to call 425,000 rifles and irrelevant number.
half a million in a year is nothing to sneeze at you retarded fuck, wow they didn't make 15 million of them like they did with the Mauser because they got bombed. There was as many STG's running around as MG42's which is "irrelevant" due to them being used in a similar manner to the MP40.
In reality the thing Germany needed to up it's game on was Flak, tons of it but it just didn't get enough. That and it's airforce going to shit because fat fuck homosexual couldn't manage a airforce.
Good god, it's been 80 years. Can't we finally have peace from obnoxious fanboys? You fucks give germans a bad name all around.
>mauser - just a solid bolt action, uh, yeah
>parabellum - good early semi-auto handgun
>g43 - svt in disguise, why didn't you mention your retarded gas trap relative?
>mp40 - a stamped smg, daring we are today aren't we
>fg42 - rocket science gun for paratroopers who don't jump
>stg44 - too long, can't go prone, heavy, practically fire is only semi-auto, and it's always low on ammo
>pzb39 - big boolet gun, look even poles done it the smarter way
>mg42 - actually good design and the concept of mmg was innovative for HANS HURRY WITH ZE AMMUNIZION
>panzerfaust - most of producted units were 60 and 100 meters max range
Sadly Goebbels was right and humanity has indeed sunken into a dull and primitive state.
Things are only going to get worse.
Germany is luckky we didn't bomb them back to the stone age
They got a lot right. the tech was too new to be fully utilized, but they were on the right track.
>assault rifles
>RPGs (at least proto-RPGs)
>heavy tanks
>jets
>cruise missiles
>proto-ICBMs
>machine gun that's still in use
>9mm
>camouflaged uniforms for infantry
>modular grenades
>remote controlled ground drones
>night vision scopes
I'm sure there are more that Im leaving out, but the german military was way ahead of the times in a lot of areas.
>assault rifles
M2 Carbine, 1944
>RPGs (at least proto-RPGs)
M1 Bazooka, 1942
>heavy tanks
Churchill, 1941
KV-1, 1939
>jets
Gloster Meteor, 1944
>cruise missiles
McDonnell TD2D, 1942
>machine gun that's still in use
M2 Browning, 19-fucking-21
>night vision scopes
M3 Carbine, 1945
I didnt say they were first at anything, I just said they were on the right track with the military tech they developed and utilized during the war.
also it's ridiculous to compare the M2 carbine to the StG44. They were designed for and fulfilled entirely different roles.
>way ahead of the times
>just said they were on the right track
also
>They were designed for and fulfilled entirely different roles.
Yeah, and an AKS-74u is a sub-machine gun.
>also it's ridiculous to compare the M2 carbine to the StG44. They were designed for and fulfilled entirely different roles.
LMAO, the M1 Carbine just happened to be so good that it competed in the same role anyway. To say nothing of the actual M2 - of which the yanks promptly built 600k while revving DOWN their arms industry. Yeah, you read that right, the yanks flexed on the Nazis so hard, they produced 50% more of their own proto-assault rifle while already drawing down their industries as the war was ending.
So it took the krauts 6 years longer than the yanks and 3 years longer than the Soviets to get a useable semi-aiuto into production, and the Soviets built more than three times as many while getting pushed all the way back to Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad. And this is somehow supposed to make this look better for the Germans?
400k rifles is an afterthought.
Possibly the dumbest poster on /k/. Makes sense that it'd be a Brit.
>of which the yanks promptly built 600k while revving DOWN their arms industry. Yeah, you read that right, the yanks flexed on the Nazis so hard, they produced 50% more of their own proto-assault rifle while already drawing down their industries as the war was ending
You are actually retarded lmao, yeah those "built" M2's were 90% conversions because it's a literal piece of bent metal that changes it from an M1 to an M2.
>heavy tanks
heavies and MBTs were both first rolled out by the anglos
German composers like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, etc... are why Germany deserves praise. Sure they've had some engineering feets as well, however their largest contributions to humanity was the culture brought about by their greatest composers.
Feats*
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/04/15/europe/germany-nuclear-phase-out-climate-intl/index.html
If Germany keeps going the way it's going it will be in the stone age soon
I have no idea why the K98k, G43, MP40 or Pz.B39 are on here. Or the Luger since it's just cool rather than effective.
>every one of those guns is over $2000
Fucking expensive to be a wehraboo. The worst part is that it isn't actual German fans, but turbo Americanist boomers.
You can be a wehraboo on the cheap if you know where to look, a sporterized mauser and p38 can both be had for under a grand, if the mauser isn't bubba'd then you can restore it to a decent condition.
Once getting a repro of any of the other guns is a fools errand though, every single one of them is a piece of shit, I spent thousands on one of those FG42 clones and after a year when I finally got it, it jammed constantly sent it back and after another year it works a lot better but it's such a picky gun that it's not really worth shooting, at least it looks cool.
Legit would have been happier just buying a real MP40 and shooting that.