Will it replace the Hercules as the west's main tactical lifter?

Will it replace the Hercules as the west's main tactical lifter?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    already happening

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that it won in South Korea still amazes me.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's the point of ordering 2 or 3

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Testing, trials, getting some experience with it, etc.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Korea is not that big and they don't really operate outside the peninsula anyway.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Reverse engineering so they can build their own.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This tbh. This is basically ROK defense procurement model.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how do Favela monkeys do it anons

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Embraer hires smart monkeys and Boeing hires stupid ones

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    But its a dope plane and they'll sell a pile of em. Macacos seriously put some game into this lil peanut.
    If Amazon wasn't struggling so hard right now I would seriously not be surprised if they bought a fleet of them, or tried to buy Embraer outright

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I doubt it.

    It can probably carve out a niche for itself until the flying body thing that the USAF wants gets made and takes over the market though.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lockmart is focused on F-35's and Boeing is well... Boeing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Boeing is well... Boeing
        analysts see a HUGE gap developing. safe to say Big B is not new selling any significant product for the next 10 years at a minimum and the commerical plane life cycle is like 40 years kekeke

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          God bless Wall St.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I want capitalism to ruin Boeing like I ruined your mom's starfish before I ever fly in one of their planes again. FFS aviation is the safest travel method mankind has ever designed by 6 orders of magnitude and Boeing decides to ape out and ruin that for pennies?
            burn, you motherfrickers. burn

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can't help but think that someone is gonna stall that thing and both engines flame out as a result of airflow disruption.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > main tactical lifter
    your mom lifted my dick all night long yesterday if you know what I mean

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, they're nowhere close to the production capacity needed for that.

    They're talking about expanding to 6-8 per year.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're about to open two new assembly lines, one for Pajeets and the other for Saudis.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which will take awhile to get operating at capacity.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yup. But until then they expanded their capability in Brazil by putting aside the Super Tucano line.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It should but it won't. Lockmart bribing is too strong

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, they won in Korea where everyone thought Lockmart would win.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're still making Super Hercules and there's a long line for it so no.

    If Embraer is smart they'd build a C-17 replacement because Chairforces around the world will eventually retire theirs and/or find something bigger than an A400M.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think there's gonna be a market for a C-17-like for the next 10 to 15 years.
      In fact, Airbus is making a smaller A400M to compete with the C-390 afaik.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't think there's gonna be a market for a C-17-like for the next 10 to 15 years.
        There is.

        Good luck transporting tanks, artillery and all sorts of heavy equipment with just a C-130, C-390 or A400M.

        A C-17 III can carry more, no one outside of America needs a C-5 though.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're still making Super Hercules and there's a long line for it so no.

        If Embraer is smart they'd build a C-17 replacement because Chairforces around the world will eventually retire theirs and/or find something bigger than an A400M.

        Man A400M is such a frickup
        >Slightly too big for a cost efficient medium lift
        >Slightly too small for heavy lift

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tried so hard to please both groups and ended up disappointing everyone.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably not, but only because the US is autistic when it comes to buying non domestic inventory for the USAF. C390 will win out a competition (since it outperforms C130 in all metrics) but some Boeing backed senators will go ape about jobs in their consistuency. So they will re-run the competition and Boeing will win with a 3d model decked out in a stars and stripes livery. But now Boeing will be forced to do what they should have done 3 decades ago: actually design and build a new tactical airlifter from scratch; and they will. But it will be way overpiced, 10 years too late, doesnt look anything like the 3d model, cause a few scandals about funding, lead to multiple conflict of interest lawsuits, go through several program management replacements, and will take another decade to iron out the technical gremlins while being grounded half the time. But since the USAF will be buying thousands of units, due to the power of economies of scale, per unit cost will come down over time to somewhat reasonable, and program management and political leadership will point to that, but will fail to mention that had they gone for C390 initially, the whole program would have been many times cheaper (due to economies of scale on an off-the-shelf design).
    Meanwhile the rest of NATO have been happily flying C390s for decades.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Meanwhile the rest of NATO have been happily flying C390s for decades.
      Which is absolutely moronic given the last two years. Get Airbus to produce some transport domestically. NATO's main threat is Russia. Brazil outright refused to sell 30mm ammo to Germany because it would've been used by Gepards against Russia. Equipping your entire transport fleet with aircraft made by a Russian ally is another giga brain move by European politicians.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like the US ever agreeing with a contract clause prohibiting the US to use those aircraft in a conflict vs a friendly nation, but in the very unlikely scenario US contract lawyers somehow completely overlooked that fact, how is Brazil ever gonna enforce?

        US law would require domestic production and co-ownership by a US company. They wouldn't be able to produce them in Brazil.

        It will always be a parnership program with assembly in the US, like MRTT

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It will always be a parnership program with assembly in the US, like MRTT
          Well duh, they partnered with Sierra Nevada Corp for the Super Tucano production. But a few years later Sierra Nevada Corp would withdraw the Super Tucano from the bid and instead go forward with Sierra Nevada Corp. MC-145B instead of teaming up with Embraer. So not sure who Embraer would want to partner with after getting dropped by Sierra Nevada Corp for the Armed overwatch bid.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Militarily speaking Brazil is more aligned with NATO though, majority of parts of C-390 are made in western countries, and iirc Brazil always intended for NATO countries to be among the main buyers of the plane
        It's mainly the current commie government there that is refusing to help

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >muh commie

          Bolsonaro also refused, remember? Is he also a communist?
          It's actually on Brazil's constitution to NOT help other countries to wage war during a conflict.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Is he also a communist?
            No, but he wanted to suck Putin's dick just like Trump
            He is just moronic

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              True, but the point is, it doesn't matter who's president, nobody will sell ammo or military equipment for a country that's currently waging war.

              Keyword: currently.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                holy cope
                one was a trumptard and the other is ideologically aligned with russia, iran and china. you need to stop coping, son.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Study the laws of your own country you monkey.

                https://www.poder360.com.br/justica/mp-aciona-o-tcu-contra-envio-de-armas-a-paises-em-guerra/

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >o tratado proíbe a “transferência de armas convencionais, suas munições e componentes caso o país exportador tenha conhecimento, no momento da autorização, de que as armas serão utilizadas para a prática de crimes internacionais ou crimes de guerra”
                >prohibits arms exports to countries involved in international or war crimes
                so it wouldn't apply here

                the constitution is toilet paper and neither of these idiots care about it, they're driven by ideology. we don't send arms to these countries but we're ideologically and economically supporting them, so what's the fricking difference?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Still salty eh?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're cattle for moronic politicians. thanks to them we'll never have any relevant arms industry, or even an army to defend ourselves against venezuela. is that what you call patriotism?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's actually on Brazil's constitution to NOT help other countries to wage war during a conflict.
            Other countries have similar rule and they had no problem helping, Mexico and Switzerland come to mind, both countries found ways to help with military equipment that didn't break their laws. Brazil could've done the same but it was the politicians choice to not help

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody cares about Germany, it’s a dying country

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      US law would require domestic production and co-ownership by a US company. They wouldn't be able to produce them in Brazil.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're actually going to try and sell C-390 to the USAF.

      https://www.l3harris.com/newsroom/press-release/2022/09/l3harris-and-embraer-develop-new-agile-tanker-kc-390-support-air

      If they actually win it's gonna be funny as frick, it's gonna be the same thing with the SOCOM program where the Super Tucano won, but the congress didn't wanted to.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It wasn't congress, it was like 1 or 2 dudes in congress and SOCOM got the last laugh by picking Airtractor for the follow-on program just to spite the Beechcraft fricks who instigated the congressmen who blocked the super tucano bid.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This isn't as big a deal as you think
        >Find out the states the Senators and Congressmen who sit on the appropriate committee's are
        >Set up your supply chain in those states

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >made in Brazil
    >West
    Brazil isn't even hiding the fact it's anti-West anymore. It's going to replace the IL-76 in BRICS and their allies.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    jets need longer runways typically and are much more delicate than turboprops - also fly much higher to be efficient so are easier to spot and intercept

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