>Why would they do this?
access the "safety lever" with your index finger without removing your palm from the pistol grip? Some modernization is good homosexual OP. Personally prefer the 2011 safety design for ambi use.
I think OP is asking why they didn't actually do a redesign instead of the lazy shit they pulled on the AK-12, especially given they had the 2011 design which if they had worked on a bit more could've ended up as a superior rifle
>why they didn't actually do a redesign
all new tooling and machinery for new designs potentially costing into the millions, or change one little stud and add a small lever part? The end-goal is the same. Maybe its a logistics and financing issue with their defense system?
Because they already have tooling and a million spares for what is essentially a dust cover.
I know what the answer is, I'm just clarifying OPs point. Hell he clarified himself
I just don't understand why they neutered the traditional selector to the point that it's unusable just because they tacked on this other selector. Why not both? Is the new one really even better? I mean the extra tab on the selector of my vepr-12 can easily be actuated with just the index finger knuckle while your finger is still on the trigger, OR the traditional selector. Is this supposed to be better?
what he meant.
Because they already have tooling and a million spares for what is essentially a dust cover.
and regarding the dust cover, they'd need new tooling for the dust cover/selector, that extra pivot point means they've got to redo that tooling as well and can't use older AK selector switches / dust covers
>why they didn't actually do a redesign
all new tooling and machinery for new designs potentially costing into the millions, or change one little stud and add a small lever part? The end-goal is the same. Maybe its a logistics and financing issue with their defense system?
I just don't understand why they neutered the traditional selector to the point that it's unusable just because they tacked on this other selector. Why not both? Is the new one really even better? I mean the extra tab on the selector of my vepr-12 can easily be actuated with just the index finger knuckle while your finger is still on the trigger, OR the traditional selector. Is this supposed to be better?
Because the old one was bad. It wasn't properly retained so it could hyper extend both up into the gun and allegedly cause the gun to go off, and down past the receiver causing it to hang and flap around. A lot of AKs recovered during the beginning of the ukraine war had the safeties flopping around because panicked people pushed down on them too hard.
>Production AK-12
It is a cheaper, simplified AK-74 but also a "modernization" of one. Look at how they welded the gas system and unified the production lines. It has no relationship with the prototype AK-12 beyond the name.
Is there anywhere I can read about the development of the Ugg boot stock? I'm curious to know why everyone thought it was the best design all of a sudden.
because getting onto full auto from safe on an AK is a pain in the ass. you have to pay attention, if you brush the lever down too far it goes on to semi auto.
Everything about the AK-12 is a fascinating mess. What it was promoted as and what it turned out to be.
I actually really like how the first issued ones look (with the meat tenderizer brake and M4-like stock) but the controls are going from mediocre, to something no Russian soldier of the past 3/4 of a century would be familiar with. Like they're going too far to solve a problem others already solved Yeats ago purely because they want their solution to be different.
Why make a new rifle when you can just slap a lever on your existing rifles and pretend it's new?
to make it a lever action rifle
>Why would they do this?
access the "safety lever" with your index finger without removing your palm from the pistol grip? Some modernization is good homosexual OP. Personally prefer the 2011 safety design for ambi use.
I think OP is asking why they didn't actually do a redesign instead of the lazy shit they pulled on the AK-12, especially given they had the 2011 design which if they had worked on a bit more could've ended up as a superior rifle
Russians are corrupt
I know what the answer is, I'm just clarifying OPs point. Hell he clarified himself
what he meant.
and regarding the dust cover, they'd need new tooling for the dust cover/selector, that extra pivot point means they've got to redo that tooling as well and can't use older AK selector switches / dust covers
>why they didn't actually do a redesign
all new tooling and machinery for new designs potentially costing into the millions, or change one little stud and add a small lever part? The end-goal is the same. Maybe its a logistics and financing issue with their defense system?
I just don't understand why they neutered the traditional selector to the point that it's unusable just because they tacked on this other selector. Why not both? Is the new one really even better? I mean the extra tab on the selector of my vepr-12 can easily be actuated with just the index finger knuckle while your finger is still on the trigger, OR the traditional selector. Is this supposed to be better?
Because the old one was bad. It wasn't properly retained so it could hyper extend both up into the gun and allegedly cause the gun to go off, and down past the receiver causing it to hang and flap around. A lot of AKs recovered during the beginning of the ukraine war had the safeties flopping around because panicked people pushed down on them too hard.
Because they already have tooling and a million spares for what is essentially a dust cover.
>Production AK-12
It is a cheaper, simplified AK-74 but also a "modernization" of one. Look at how they welded the gas system and unified the production lines. It has no relationship with the prototype AK-12 beyond the name.
i want this safety as a retrofit
someone just needs to make a screw that inserts into an extended safety lever pin instead of a rivet
trying to put lipstick on a pig and fix the shitty soviet ergonomics
Doesn't Krebs have a patent on the little riveted thumb tab thingy?
Yeah youre right. Kalashnikov Concern out of Russia really should have considered American patents before developing it.
Clearly they did, since their solution is incredibly complex compared with the Krebs "quarter-sized piece of steel and two rivets" approach.
The rationale is more complex than that.
They already used the Krebs style lever sperglord. This is what was requested instead.
because they're a failed state.
> there are now precisely two guns: HK416 and SCAR
Grim.
You'll take your SCARs and you'll like them if you know whats good for ya
what the fuck is the bottom right one?
I think its the unbullpuped Tavor thing from IWI, or else it's from one of those Balkan states
IIRC all the ARs in the new cod are just scar clones except an AK74 cosplaying as an AN94
Is there anywhere I can read about the development of the Ugg boot stock? I'm curious to know why everyone thought it was the best design all of a sudden.
because getting onto full auto from safe on an AK is a pain in the ass. you have to pay attention, if you brush the lever down too far it goes on to semi auto.
polish style is best
Krebs is Polish?
krebs only fits fat manlet knuckles, anyone can use polish style
Everything about the AK-12 is a fascinating mess. What it was promoted as and what it turned out to be.
I actually really like how the first issued ones look (with the meat tenderizer brake and M4-like stock) but the controls are going from mediocre, to something no Russian soldier of the past 3/4 of a century would be familiar with. Like they're going too far to solve a problem others already solved Yeats ago purely because they want their solution to be different.
>i have no friends in real life and i literally have to trick people on 4chinz to talk to me by posting mundane and pointless threads