Why won't many carriers cover abdomen?
It might not be an instant death area but you die regardless.
Why won't many carriers cover abdomen? It might not be an instant death area but you die regardless.
Why won't many carriers cover abdomen?
Because I will simply flex my abs and stop the bullet retard.
>not steeling your abs for shtf
>not oiling your muscled and posting it on PrepHole
If its not instant then you have time to get help
>Organs on the floor
>Bullet wound through your spine
>Time to get help
Everything about war is completely gnomish and designed for maximum suffering
you're the exact retard that would complain about weight and heat if the plate did cover your abdomen, don't be a retard, it isn't becoming of anyone
>Organs on the floor
40mm hei rounds will go thru abdomen armor
I don't think it makes too much sense, but it really depends on your job. Certain jobs in the military should mandate that you pack the armor on and instead focus on saving weight in your gear by limiting other items in your kit. The idea that leadership always knows best and that the weight is already as cut down as it can be is flawed, kit is fundamentally mission specific and loading up on too much useless shit will just tire you out, lower your endurance and end up getting you killed eventually.
Professional military thinkers already realized this mistake and that's why you see guys with very light kit in Russo-Ukraine.
No one can help your spine and central nervous system suddenly start working again once it gets destroyed, and there's a humongous artery running alongside it. All anyone can do is pack it with gauze and try to apply pinpoint pressure to try to buy you time before a certified and professional trauma surgeon can get to work on you, but it's so big that the chances of bleeding to death before they even see you are incredibly high.
A dick plate attached at the navel is mobile and bendy enough for me.
Guerillas experience heavy firefights and get pink misted all the time, in fact it's normal for them to get deleted by the batch by a regular military. The key with insurgency is infinite morale ideologies like Islam, Communism or Ethno nationalism.
Jesus christ you don't know shit about modern body armor whatsoever.
Pic related is places where you really don't want to be shot.
I would guess that the whole lightweight meme started from SOFs, glowies and PMCs conducting raids and hit and run.
A random grunt in the Ukrainian trenches would much appreciate a full body armor.
What's most important is to have multi-hit class IV plates, yes they are heavy, but if you're not rucking long distances it makes more sense to wear them than not to wear them, will they slow your reaction time? Yes, but not by a lot and you just aren't suppose to wear armor on your arms, it's that simple. After getting use to it you can move around just as fast. Helmets are a problem though and it is quite easy to strain your neck pretty badly, unless you train it up with one of those helmet trainers football players use. Yes you want side plates (vital), yes you want a dickplate- your main plate should go clavicle to navel and nipple to nipple at least. The second plate, the dick plate, should attach to your rig at the navel. Yes, you want back plates too. All class IV and you want to have armor will spall coat and you need to use plate backers for your body armor as well for backface deformation.
Ideally for actual warfare you have one of these
because the rig itself has kevlar woven into it and that can help catch frag. A strong argument can be made for and against thigh pads, but I'd recommend at least wearing some kevlar/aramid thigh pads that can protect your major leg arteries from shrapnel.
I would even say dickplate on the back too, you can lift it up to sit down but its not really necessary. Would suck if artillery boomed behind you and you weren't in a dugout. Could tear your ass right off. Full cut helmet, none of that bullshit high speed low drag high cut shit with no ear cups and no forehead coverage. You want to be able to just have a little slit to look through where your helmet meets the trench.
At least, for soldiering in the trenches or on static fronts. Something certainly can be said for wearing lighter equipment and carrying more of other types of equipment if you're participating in a highly mobile offensive which requires constant pressure and lots of movement. HOWEVER, a lot of that is done via vehicles.
That sounds reasonable, anon. I especially like the part about the helmet. Those modern helmets always looked iffy to me.
One thing I'll bring up is what my friend who was in Mali told me, and that is that it was unsettling to know that the enemy literally could run circles around you, since they were only wearing flip flops and an AK. I still wouldn't trade that for armor, but it's worth having in mind.
Ah yes putting on an extra 5 pounds of armor around water. I see absolutely zero downsides.
Ah yes put extra weight around a part of the body that you need to be flexible, theirs a reason IBA, IOTV 2-4 saw a significant reduction in coverage. Other than side plates being added.
Unless the bullet or shrapnel hits your aorta or spine odds are youll survive.
The extra weight could instead be additional ammo, water, medical, and batteries.
Not to mention youd be at a much bigger risk of heatstroke.
Nah multihit is a non factor, plates like ESAPI are multihit as a happy benefit, if you could drop the weight and make them single hit it would be ideal but you cant and high cut helmets have better front and rear protection.
Anyway armor is last resort for not getting got. Getting in that dugout 1 second faster is a lot more beneficial to your health than full body coverage.
>Multi-hit is a non-factor
What is wrong with you guys? You're not stupid. I know you aren't. The only counterargument to multi hit that makes any sense is as follows
>if the enemy has caught you with a spray of automatic fire, even lots of body armor coverage won't save you from every projectile- some of them will inevitably deviate into joints and gaps in your body armor, into your face, neck and shoulders, which is immediately lethal- for the face and neck regions
Although it is a shaky argument, the one your actually making is dependent on this farcicle idea that if you "just move faster" you'll be safe. Remove this idea from your mind and consider the defensive onion concept. What's the last few layers of the defensive onion? Battle is complex, all variables cannot always be accounted for. The enemy cannot always be perfectly predicted or manipulated. There are situations where you lose control of the situation.
It should be common sense to you, but you don't always have perfect reconnaissance and perfect maneuverability you don't always have perfect information or intelligence. You must be adaptable and be able to work with limited information.
It's incredibly naive and arrogant that you believe you will always be making the right decisions and always be able to just "use my speed and decisionmaking to never be caught out in the open".
So consider the mission and consider the risk environment of the battlefield and make decisions accordingly. You are not a perfect super soldier that can make perfect use of cover and concealment at all times and it is impossible to do so.
>youll be safe
Never said safe. You can not make a combat environment safe. Wearing a shit ton of armor doesnt make you safe but it makes it so your more likely to get seen and shot/hit with artillery. Your first 2 ways to try to not die.
Do you mean Level 4 NIJ because it is not even Level 3. It can deflect rifle rounds. Anyway highcuts tend to cover more of the back of your head and many will be more durable to actual hits while being a bit lighter which is a serious boon when neck injuries exist and is more likely. If you were talking about total coverage an older MICH will have more actual side, front, back, and top coverage. But theirs a reason we have transitioned to Hicuts and ACH cuts.
You can throw that Oxide test out because even with trench fighting, plenty of people on PrepHole have seen the battle of cyclops hill. I suggest you watch it, and the PrepHoleino video of I believe captain Tihiy of the Davinci Wolves fighting off a Russian surge of at least 7-8 men while commanding several green Frontline trench defenders. In both video series, there was only one out of some 20-30 Russians throughout the series of combat videos that were able to make contact with the Ukrainians anywhere close to the distance Oxide is testing the helmet, which is nearly point blank. Like yeah, obviously if you do nearly point blank tests your going to get fatal blackface deformation with all sorts of different helmets.
The Oxide vid was just showing the helmet is not LVL 3A let alone 4 because no one is making helmets to be LVL3A but as special threat such as shrapnel and 7.62 from 300 yards away. Im not saying the ECH is a bad helmet. Its great. My point on helmets was a Hi Cut sacrifices for specific reasons as does a MICH and ACH/ECH/IHPS. Protection is not where the a well made Hi Cut sacrifices compared to an ACH.
>Okay by that logic let's just get butt naked and lather mud and dirt all over our bodies and just wear a tactical rig. Obviously peak performance by your standards.
For certain tasks it most definitely is. Alot of cases with LRRP units going without armor.
>Do you even watch war footage?
Not only have I taken part in very limited cases but ive had extremely experienced guys testimonials. Not to mention half the go pro videos are Kurds or Turks killing each other with Frags or heavy machine guns. Or drone videos of Vbieds. The best way to getting hit by Arty is still not being seen.
>armor makes you more likely to be seen
Okay by that logic let's just get butt naked and lather mud and dirt all over our bodies and just wear a tactical rig. Obviously peak performance by your standards.
>More likely to be hit by artillery
Watch the long form go-pro videos by Civ Div. It's not being weighed down by gear that gets you hit by artillery. It's fucking decision making. Go fucking educate yourself for christ sake. Do you even watch war footage?
The ECH has been tested thoroughly. It is a class IV helmet and is full cut, ear cups and forehead coverage. Having an entire portion of your brain case exposed before your eyes can even see over the trench is a fucking death sentence and you are retarded.
>places where you really don't want to get shot
but anon, that looks like everywhere
I personally dont want to get shot anywhere so I suppose youre correct
So you’re gonna get help with your entrails spilling out of your gut? There isn’t a team of surgeons on standby right next to you waiting for you to get shot, retard. Even if there were, plenty of gunshot victims die on the operating table
>So you’re gonna get help with your entrails spilling out of your gut?
people have managed to wait around for several minutes with their guts outside their body and survive
>Even if there were, plenty of gunshot victims die on the operating table
many more are able to recover
DIA/KIA have been significantly outnumbered by WIA in US service even back in WW2 when people still had to drag people around instead of calling a helo8wthg
You're not understanding, dude. If your superior mesenteric artery is nicked or your abdominal aorta- you'll bleed to death even before you would with a femoral artery bleed. That's reason enough on it's own to wear a dick plate, and if it hits one of those there is also a decent chance that your central nervous system at the point of impact will be severed and your spine will be shattered in that area. That means wheel chair, forever, modern medicine cannot fix that and you can never return to battle. You might as well have died right there, because you'll be useless until we make mind controlled exoskeletons or something. There are a lot of other complications, like sepsis, but they can be overcome.
The first issue is that you bleed to death at an incredible speed, the second issue is that you become a paraplegic. Beyond that there are other complications, like having to shit out of a bag for the rest of your life too.
It is catastrophic to be hit dead center in the stomach/pelvis/navel and all your buddies can do is hope that wound packing will do the job. You can't put a tourniquet on it and a chest seal won't do shit. Just wound packing and hoping for the best.
Through and through? Good luck.
Are those enough reasons for you to put on your dick plate or do you want to become a woman that badly? No judgement here, just wondering.
Fuck, man. I'm imagining having no other option than to just shove ass-loads of gauze into the abdominal cavity in the vain hope that you might slow the bleeding down, even a little.
And all it takes is a round being an inch or two off the bottom of the plate.
At least here, it‘s SOP to actually not waste gauze stuffing the abdomen, because you can put a kilometers worth of it into a persons belly and not do anything of value.
You simply put a gauze of the wound, apply pressure to it and use a teapot to limit the overall space in the belly and hip area that blood can flood into, nothing else can be done under combat conditions.
People with head or abdominal injuries and trauma need surgery ASAP, nothing else will really help but gain you some more minutes before the guy‘s bled out.
Nah the army is too goated at trauma. Abdominal packing with hemostatic gauze plus iv txa can go a long ways in an abdominal wound. The body really clamps down on abdominal arteries in shock also, that's why the kidneys get killed on accident all the time despite getting 20% of blood circulation. Add on volume resus, whole blood transfusion, the fact that the patient is 19 yrs old, and the shame of thinking MAST pants were a good idea, and you get a very survivable injury in the field. Also the vertebral column represents like 10% of body solid angle, you're probs not going to get shot in the spine and if you do you still might not be fucked.
>the vertebral column represents like 10% of body solid angle
Is it likely to be hit? No. Do tremendously bad things happen to you if it does get hit? Yes. Very much so. My point isn't that you are guaranteed to die, but more so that the danger of that is increased in this kind of situation no matter how "goated" you think the army is at trauma.
You quite literally are arguing not to place armor on a part of your body which allows you to run and supports your upper body. Most of it is meat that can get mulched up but the major arteries and the central nervous system are vital for survival.
Okay so the 10% chance that you get nailed in your spine happens, you are bleeding fast, but you are in combat. Your allies and battle brothers must focus at the task at hand to keep everyone alive, what can you do? You've already been hit and you are numb from the waist down, your connection to your legs is completely severed. What are you going to do? Crawl on the ground with your arms and lug your legs and your kit to cover? You already were in a dangerous spot because you were seen and targeted by an enemy soldier. They just made you completely immobile and you're bleeding to death fast.
What do you think happens next? A follow up shot? Will the enemy decide to just stop shooting at you? Why would they? They just turned you into an easier target to hit. They will take follow up shots and finish you off.
That situation plays out totally different if you had worn your class IV dick plate.
Even if they thought you were dead and moved on to shooting at your squad mates, they will eventually see you through drone reconnaissance moving around and they will record themselves dropping a frag directly on your forehead- because you are the easiest to kill stationary target for getting a frag dropped on you by a quadcopter.
It's a question of mobility vs protection, mobility is better in most applications hence why armor tends to only cover the most vital of weak spots
>t. im just spit-balling tbh
>Why won't many carriers cover abdomen?
you bend in that region
and it doubles the amount of weight because of increased surface area
>It might not be an instant death area but you die regardless.
WW2 medicine wasnt that primitive
if you were shot in the torso, and you didnt immediately die, you had a 50/50 chance of survival
this is assuming a worst case scenario where you had to be dragged back on foot to an ambulance and then to a field hospital and treated without a proper ER
modern day medicine with helicopter MEDEVAC increases survivability to over 90&
Could the guy in picrel have survived with a medvac?
unlikely but possible
we have a case of a trooper getting literally blown on to his back hollywood-style after jumping on a grenade and recieving serious injuries on the entire right side of his body and most of his chest and filling his lower abdoment with fragmentation
he was so horrifically maimed they believed him dead only for them to suddenly discover he was still breathing when they went to collect his belongings
while this would be a a very difficult thing to survive even with modern technology it isnt 100% impossible and he certainly has a higher chance today than in WW2
Incidentally the modern strat for throwing yourself on a grenade is to do a ninja turtle style shell bodyslam onto the grenade with your ruck while curling up into a ball. The backpack and rear plate will contain the blast
A British marine did just that and won the George Cross despite only having perforated eardrums and a slight concussion
you can just as likely end up with your neck being shredded with shrapnel doing that. fuck grenades
Just fucking run away you idiot
That's cool, but that's a very solid chance you won't be wearing your rucksack when some chucks a grenade at you. And you don't wanna jump onto a grenade with your assault pack because there is ammunition and possibly more grenades inside of it.
Considering there would be no way to land helos on the beach under that fire and that dark organ was part was part his liver. He's dead Jim.
No. Half his liver was outside his body; he's bleeding out. If it was just his intestines outside his torso, then he has a real chance with prompt evacuation.
A bit of savlon and a plaster and he’d be good to go.
Baby asprin and walk it off. I also haaaaave..... a minions bandaid. Which minion do you want?
If he changed his socks he'd be fine.
>you bend in that region
those bits are bendy
>and it doubles the amount of weight because of increased surface area
it doesn't, because the plate is smaller
What? A jointed plate? No.
>the plate tapers
So you don't want it to protect your entire gut either? Smart.
I mean yeah, because you have to bend in that region, and you don't want it to be too heavy.
So you want it to be thinner and not provide the same protection as the chest? Amazing.
pros and cons
So a jointed thinner plate that offers no protection compared to the chest plate and is just there to get in the way. I dare say there is no Pro to that.
The Fort Defender and Redut series have segmented plates at the joint where you bend, it works
Undeniably, such is the case for a well funded military.
But what about independent larpers and militias without sophisticated medvac on standby?
If shtf, people won't stary far from their base of operations. They would normally have access to working cars and leftover fuel, but no proper surgery equipments let alone trained doctors.
Don’t get shot
>But what about independent larpers and militias without sophisticated medvac on standby?
that's what guerilla is for?
>Undeniably, such is the case for a well funded military.
as mentioned above, if the shot didnt kill you immediately you had at least a coin-flip chance of surviving
modern medicine means that even backdoor doctors operating out of a tent are as good, if not better, than a WW2 field hospital
for one thing we have anti-biotics
but also the general level of knowledge has increased since then
>the general level of knowledge has increased
> modern medicine means that even backdoor doctors operating out of a tent are as good, if not better, than a WW2 field hospital
>your bro Bubba (who was in EMT ten years ago) with his IFAK and EBay surgery kit is on par with a legit doctor from WW2
I get the idea mate, you aren’t all wrong but this depends on a lot, mostly having a guy you know and trust who knows who to operate on a pretty severe and often complex injury.
MFW no personal force field. What are you, some kind of a moron caveman?
Depends on the type of body armor Anon but many do.
picrel IBA is an armor carrier. Armor carriers have both soft kevlar armor panels and hard ballistic plates. Plates are heavy and dont move so they just cover your chest vitals. The soft armor panels are a lot bigger and wrap around. They will protect you from shrapnel and pistol calibers all around. The plates will stop rifle bullets.
There are also plate carriers, PCs. These are smaller and just hold ballistic plates. No soft armor. You see larpers and SOF wear them more often. They are more comfortable but dont do much to protect your from grenades and artillery.
Anon.. you can most definitely have soft armour alongside your plates in a plate carrier
If you mean something that looks like
Yes you can. But compare it to the pic from
And you loose a lot of coverage but gain in flexibility and you tire out less. There might by some Crye Of the Wallet modular objective synergistic combatant plate carrier though which can get very good soft armor coverage through. Im not really into plate carriers to know them by name, brand and special features
A PC wont have larger kevlar inserts. You can have ICW plates with kevlar backers and some PC's have side plate pockets in the cumberbund. But none of those will give you coverage of an armor carrier.
What is that?
Sorry I went to sleep. It's a velocity systems plate carrier that I modified to use the Crye precision soft armor inserts in a First Spear cummerbund (which is nice with their tube system quick detach option) and the abdomen/groin armor is the Crye LAP panel. Whole thing was expensive I won't lie, but I wanted maximum frag protection on my core for reasons (that you've probably seen many WEBMs of). I even made my own segmented shoulder paldrons using pieces I cut from 8x10 soft armor panels I mounted to form fitted Kydex plates. Proud of how well those worked out. Overall I have 80% of my core covered in lv. IIIA soft armor and my lv 4 plates from front, back, and sides. Added weight was minimal too, I'd guess only 3, maybe 4 pounds.
I can post pics of the shoulder armor is anyone is interested
For the Brotherhood of NOD.
You can't bend over and it gets too heavy. People stopped wearing armor when guns started becoming the normal weapon because armor didn't work against them unless it was unbearably heavy. Otherwise you'd still see soldiers in full suits of armor. They wore that for a reason, so they wouldn't get killed as easily. They stopped wearing it for a reason, because guns shot through them and they'd just die restricted and heavy. Go any thicker and they won't be able to move at all.
Armor was used Even in the american civil war
BUTT as the gats got better it was used less and less and covered less and less to such a point that it was a rarity even during the civil war. The led balls of black powder muskets, rifles ecc. Lost a lot of power downrange so officers,cavalry and pikemen ussually wore them. Otherwise it was a question of mobility when not in combat. An army could afford the extra energy expenditure and time delays of a fiew people (ussually importan people) having their armor but since you had to transport some grub, horsefeed, and now you needed POWDER, LEAD, cannons and mobile workshops the armor was NOT carried in great quantaties.
As to the less coverage progression you go from full plate to only pauldrons +breastplate +"skirts" that cover the upper thighs (similar to the Improved outer tactical vest of today)
nobles got the good tempered steel fitted stuff, normal solders got munition plates made of thick, onesize fits all, lower quality steel.
Eventually solders got nothing but officers and cavalry got breastplates (sometimes with their backs and front covered sometimes only the front), + helmets . Limb armor was a rarity. The armored breastplate used would at least stop a bayonet poke or a long range shot so it made sense for cavalry usage. Im sure you can find examples of bigger, smaller, better, worse armor, Extensively armored armyes and armyes that used no armor but the general trend was that armor got smaller (less coverage) and used for more specialised roles as time went by untill it was barely used by anyone. And then WW1, WW2 ,k/orea came along and ramped up its usage slowly at first (ww1 grabenpanzer+others , the canuck metal plates during the tail end of ww2, doron flakvests in k/orea, vietnam nylon or doron and eventually pasgat, and the Otv, Iotv, ecc. during GWOT to platecarriers of 2day)
They stopped wearing armor when Gatlings were becoming common. Firearms and plate armors coexisted for a long time.
Wrap your abdomen in duct tape or an athlete with tape so if you get shot it doesn’t shear open.
Who would want to live after getting shot in the dick?
PCs are supposed to prevent you from getting instagibbed, if you get wounded, you‘ll be treated by some sort of combat first responder or an actual medic quickly, and then hopefully soon Case or Medevaced into a role 1 or 2.
Carriers that cover more than just the vitals are literally unsusable as infantry because you can‘t fucking move, drive a vehicle, carry anything etc.
>t. Had to enjoy the good old IDZ Schildkrötenpanzer and was later on equipped with Mod-inf, MOBAST and Lindnerhof
>you‘ll be treated by some sort of combat first responder or an actual medic quickly
if there is anything I learned from watching the ukraine footage, it is that this is a lie.
Meh, Ukies have shown to do a decent Job at TCCC, russians not so much.
It‘s difficult to say how this would work with well funded militaries in a perr-war, but in a western country, medical SOPs and training always rely on some sort of medical and logistical infrastructure to help wounded personell, for example german airborne regiments even have an entire specialised airborne medical company, with Surgeons, proper medics (with 3 years of civillian EMT training), actual Doctors with degrees and specific equipment like air droppable field hospitals, Wiesel 2 ambulances and Hägglunds as well as specially trained airmobile medical teams that are MFF qualified.
So you‘re able to do alot of very decent prolonged and invasive treatment even under bad circumstances.
Tbf, i think medical stuff is one of the few things we actually do a very good job at, actual medics have a really good amount of real life training because they have to do multpiple months in civillian EMT during their MOS-training and uphold that level by doing a few weeks of civillian EMT every year to always have real life experience on all kinds of injuries and illnesses.
Of course all of this goes to shit if your entire gridzone get‘s Artie‘d or you‘re getting absolutely zerg rushed and outmaneuvred but that‘s how war is sometimes after all.
In the end, mobility increases your chances or survival or sucessfully outmaneuvering an opponent.
Hence why you don‘t want Bodyarmor that weighs 20 Kg and is so big and cumbersome that you can‘t run, ruck, climb, sprint, crawl or shoot porperly or fit in a vehicle, get seated down in a Helo or Airplane etc.
You want minimal limit of mobility at maximum protection, and the classic chest-sized PC and a half or full cut helmet have become the meta for literally every military on earth for a reason.
>Of course all of this goes to shit if your entire gridzone get‘s Artie‘d
this is what I was talking about.
You‘re arguably fucked anyways.
Sure, proper kevlar layers around your body might help, but foxholes and tunnels are your only hope, and even that is miniscule these days against a western army with high precision and airburst munitions.
If you‘re ever seen those Pzh2000 airburst rounds in real life, you know it‘s hopeless anyhow.
What‘s MOBAST like? With a couple 100k on the shopping list they might, maybe, replace my Lochkoppel in 30 years
The best non-SF PC the Bundeswehr has procured ever for sure.
It‘s fairly light weight and has way less bulkyness to it.
It‘s a decent step about the IDZ-ES Mod Inf. system (the one that has been used in deployments by regular troops for half a decade now and been introduced in 5Ftd. as well.)
It comes with Lindnerhof magazine, utility and grenade pouches that are pretty damn good.
Has a quick close and release system, weighted training plates (so you don‘t wear out the ceramics when not necessary), comes with a chest rig and adapters as well as a camelback pouch (the new standard Fallschirmjäger/Nat-KV kit includes camelbaks since like 4 years finally).
Obviously it has softarmor on the side too.
Only downside is, that it‘s quick release buckles on the side sometimes tend to become detached.
Overall all the gear we Fallschirmjäger at least have been getting is insane now, kitted out G36Ka4s with silencers, dualtubes Gen3 nightvision, Spec-helmets, more or less decent field clothing, Tatonka packs, all kinds of boots and cold, fowl and hot weather gear and solutions etc.
You‘d be surprised how well equipped parts of the Heer are nowadays, we often end up having on par or even better gear than most other countries Paras or even EGB equivalents of exercises and deployments.
>he doesn't like the Lochkopppel and doesn't honor it
Mine does but that's because I'm a manlet. For a taller guy, my plates would probably only cover his chest.
That said I still need to find a dick plate for the pelvic region. No point living if that area gets shot up anyway. Not sure if it's worth getting two and trying to use the other to cover my ass, how common is Forest Gump syndrome?
If you can't put a tourniquet around it it should be covered and protected, simple as.
>It might not be an instant death area but you die regardless.
This is exactly the point.
The plate largely protects you from dying from your heart / part of aorta being obliterated.
It also greatly reduces your chance of dying from a pneumothorax caused by a sucking chest wound.
The two remaining major preventible death causes are massive blood loss from extremities/junctions and airway obstruction, and this is where your buddies with TQs, haemostatics and TCCC training come in.
Plates are designed to protect you from a number of immediately fatal things - to an extent where your combat effectiveness isn't impaired too much.
Extending the plate over the abdomen area doesn't help the former much, while it impacts the latter a lot. So it was ditched.
>Extending the plate over the abdomen area doesn't help the former much
It doesn't all have to be one solid piece man. You can have a spot where the dickplate and the regular plate hook together and you can still bend over.
Cleaning out abdominal cavities, reattaching intestines, and subsequent care are too expensive apart from the most superficial glancing penetrations or spent energy stray rounds/deflections.
Abdominal injuries are more survivable than thoratic injuries. Even if they're bleeding out you can pack the wound and give them plasma. If the heart or lungs are hit they'll be dead before the medic can get to them.
What is the best civilian option for body armor anyway?
Calling body armor a complex issue is like calling quantum physics a poorly misunderstood field.. Alright, I'll try to at least explain the most important parts. Ultimately, body armor is about leaving the warrior combat capable after suffering gunfire or shrapnel hits. Survival is actually secondary, but a damned close second. There's no one size fits all theory when it comes to body armor, but there are general truths. You see, everyone fights differently. Ask anyone who's been downrange, each guy you work with is great at XYZ but can suck at DR&K. And every other variety possible or occasionally impossible. Mission and situation can drastically affect what is the best body armor for the moment. Remember, there's no such thing as bulletproof, but there is combat effective. Ultimately the best answer is not to get fucking hit. But if you are hits, the best answer now is to keep fighting. More than anything, body armor gives a psychological edged. "I can survive and keep fighting if hit, so aim true and kill that sonofabitch." So you aim well, move aggressively and hit them before they hit you. It's definitely an advantage. You may go without armor if dedicated and confident you are fast and focused enough. Like that moron that took out all those cops with a battle rifle in Dallas they finally ended with C-4 and a bomb drone. Watch the videos of that shit to understand true high speed low drag. Armor can definitely keep you not just alive but in the fight, it can give you an edge. It can also slow you down or trap you. Armor doesn't help if you face flames or tight snag prone spaces. Slippery inclines can also turn armor against you. Look, you're not a fucking tank. Try not to get hit, hit thd other guy first. Wear enough armor to help but not so much it fucks you. How much armor that is depends on you, your abilities, strengths, fighting style and the situation. Hope this helps.
>shooting from cover
>abdomen stays in the cover