Why were Tomcats retired? Couldn't modernize them?

Why were Tomcats retired? Couldn't modernize them?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Too much of a maintenance hassle. The swing wings were cool but the hydraulics to make them work was a pain to work with.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Not only that but the wing box design was positively hellish when it came to material strain over time too

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/QcCmZ9d.jpeg

      Why were Tomcats retired? Couldn't modernize them?

      Also we were having to take more and more airframes down for micro-cracking, corrosion, and generally just not being airworthy any more. There was a huge leap in materials science even in the gap between the Tomcat and the Hornet. Most of the 'Cat airframes were substantially older than D-block Hornets, which did not help. As soon as the Super Hornets were on the horizon Tomcats were done. Everyone doing maint on the old girls had the same feeling you do when a beloved relative who's been dying of cancer for years finally goes in their sleep.
      >t. deployed SEAOPDET with the Tomcatters on their last combat tour

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Is this a lame larp or are you old as frick?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I'm in my mid-40s, was a computer nerd who joined the Navy at 17 to get out of Bumfrick McHicktown because I love planes and I didn't want to be a logger when I grew up. 9/11 happened a couple months into my first sea duty hitch.

          What is SEAOPDET

          So planes take several different groups of people to fix. Squadrons themselves have crews that troubleshoot the planes and take out the busted parts. Then they throw in good parts and the planes are ready to go again. Those are called O-level (operations) technicians.
          There's a second group of guys who work on the parts they've pulled out, repair those, and return them to the spare parts pile. Or declare the parts too fricked to repair at sea/completely fricked and only good to feed the crabs. These are the I-level (intermediate) techs. Obviously, you need less of group 2, and they're typically more specialized groups of skills.
          On shore, the I-level team works together on a base with all of the squadrons stationed there. It builds familiarity with the aircraft and keeps a ready pool of experienced maintainers. Meanwhile the people assigned to the boat's crew stays with their ship, helping keep it clean and all the equipment properly maintained. The squadron crew continues training with their own aircraft.

          When it comes time to deploy, there's a pool of the I-level guys who the squadrons can dip into to take with them, the SEA OPerations DETatchment. Usually they're assigned to a specific carrier air group, but if the operations tempo is high enough you can get rotated between CAGs, and CAGs also rotate between ships based on what's available and ready to go. I deployed with two different CAGs and three different carriers on my three-year seaopdet hitch. Going ship's company is a more stable life, but you have to live where the ship is berthed, while seaopdet lives wherever the squadrons are and tends to see a lot more action.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What is SEAOPDET

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Soviet Union collapsed. It was literally too awesome to justify spending money on.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Many such cases.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the f-14 is way overrated

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The proposed modernization would have made them vastly more effective both as close support, interceptors and dogfighters than the F-18.
    But Dick Cheney was paid good money by McDonnel Douglas to support the F-18 and Republicans generally are the most corrupt people on the earth so...

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Not cost effective and a maintenance hog with high RCS.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      There just wasn't a need for a carrier launched interceptor anymore
      And in the other roles, the performance gap vs hornets was too small to be worth the extreme maintenance

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >only half the bad guys are bad guys

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Had to frick it up at the end with moronic political hyperbole, huh?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but see

        https://i.imgur.com/TLCROhQ.jpeg

        >only half the bad guys are bad guys

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Republicans generally are the most corrupt people on the earth so
      Now listen here, insider trading and un-ethical stock portfolios are a key bi-partisan issue where both sides see eye to eye, and as such must be encouraged

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >The proposed modernization would have made them vastly more effective both as close support
      how?
      >interceptors
      ehhh... the F-14 might have a better radar on paper but that's about it
      >and dogfighters
      hell no
      >But Dick Cheney
      nvm it's this moronic schizo Black person again.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    im with hobbes on this
    any tyrannosaurid that could fit in an f-14 ain't no real tyrannosaur

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesnt know about teenaged moemoe tyrannosaur-chan

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You assumed that the F14s aren't oversized themselves.

      Flown from oversized carriers ofc

      Its just awesomeness all the way down.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    There is no way to modernize a Tomcat enough to fit a T-rex in the wienerpit.
    Bill Waterson lied to us.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Maintenance on the wings was just too much of a hassle and the F-35 does everything they can do.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Who was in the wrong here?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I liked ward carrol's video about it

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw no tomcat tomboy

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      She looks a lot like an ex of mine. I have that pic saved on my PC from almost 6 years ago because it looked so much like her.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They tried fitting a LANTRN pod and turning it into an attack aircraft in the beginning of the GWOT, but we were dumping way too much money into the airframes for it to be justified.
    Remember that accounting for inflation, the f-14 program was twice as expensive as the f-35

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They were so paranoid about Iran finding a way to get replacement parts for theirs that they destroyed all of them and the tooling. This was plainly unconstitutional, they should have been sold as milsurp so that we'd have boomers buying milsurp F-14s to fulfill their Top Gun midlife crisis dreams.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Phoenixs are a bit overrated, don't get me wrong there is a real need for a replacement long range AAM, but there are much better solutions than the Phoenix nowadays. VLS, better missiles and networked systems decreased the importance of a high-speed long ranged interceptor.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >a little expensive
    >cheney fricking hated grumman
    >lol lets just make whole wing smol hornets because its cheaper
    >peace dividend beginning to set in
    >modernization plans were too cool for this gay earth
    https://www.twz.com/29653/this-is-what-grummans-proposed-f-14-super-tomcat-21-would-have-actually-looked-like

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Too beautiful for this gay earth.

      Do the Phantom one too, it's hilarious

      I miss the days when cartoonists had such distinct art styles.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        bliss

        I miss the days when one really could wander around outside like that
        these days even tweens can be victimised, it's just not that safe any more

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Do the Phantom one too, it's hilarious

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because the F/A-18 is better in every conceivable way
    /thread

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