Why were they superior to the Entente without the USA?

Why were they superior to the Entente without the USA?

  1. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Bongs and Frogs still hated each other at that time. Not that they don't know, but it was actually serious at that point

  2. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    They would have lost even without the USA against them though

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      UK lost even against Ottomans who were the dying sick man of Europe. They lost 300.000 Pajeets, Anglos and Aussies and almost their entire fleeet while trying to take a single shore from the Turks and failed.
      How come Anglos were such a paper tiger?

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        The british were the weak link on the western front but they still ended up crushing the turks in Palestine and effectively blockading the central powers from the rest of the world.

        The best germans could have hoped for without US intervention is a stronger position as defeated power but that would have still ended up in the end of the Empire and Alsace Lorraine back to France

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          They crushed the Turks, a country with a tiny fraction of the population and a tiny fraction of the industrial output who were fighting two other countries that also dwarfed them in both areas on five fronts, while losing enormous amounts of men and material over the course of three full years.

          This is not the ringing endorsement you think it is.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            Pointing to eventual British victory in the Middle Eastern Theater due to enormous conventional superiority as proof of British competence after major defeats at Gallipoli and Kut has the same energy as Vatnik cope about Kiev being a feint. The fact that the British and French could put enormous amounts of men and material into the Gallipoli theater, invading the Ottomans and threatening the capital, and be driven into the fucking sea and then take a full three years to defeat Europe's sick man says a great deal either about British incompetence outside the European theater or Turkish competence in-theater. I suspect a bit of both.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              >Turkish competence in-theater.
              The Ottomans literally performed the worst out of any Central Power. Enver Pasha was the incarnation of the brainlet meme.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                The Ottomans were a practically non-industrial power, some of Entente were fielding armies larger than the Ottoman Empire's entire male population. The Ottoman Empire had two ammunition plants in Istanbul for its whole army. That you think "a country far poorer and smaller performed worse" is a meaningful or intelligent observation outs you as a brainlet.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                >performed the worst out of any Central Power
                >some of Entente
                Turkroach copium, holy shit. Imagine getting eclipsed by Austria-Hungary militarily.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Stop being a retard.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >The british were the weak link on the western front
          The French army broke and the British fought so hard the Germans didn't notice.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            To which event are you referring?

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >MUH GALLILOPPOLI

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        The anglos buttraped the Ottomans everywhere in the mid east tho
        The only thing you roaches have is "atleast they didnt destroyed our capital"

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      The british were the weak link on the western front but they still ended up crushing the turks in Palestine and effectively blockading the central powers from the rest of the world.

      The best germans could have hoped for without US intervention is a stronger position as defeated power but that would have still ended up in the end of the Empire and Alsace Lorraine back to France

      You neglect the possibility that without the fear of angering the U.S., Germany could have pursued a much more effective submarine blockade of Britian.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        If they had done that the americans would have entered the war by 1916.
        The fact is germans kept raising the intensity of the conflict by being the first to dig trenches and put barbedwire, the first to bomb behind the front line and the first to use nerve gas.
        Despite all that "total krieg" shit they still lost and exhausted themselves in a war they dictated the tempo.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Not with 1910's technology.
        Also they were eating bugs and sawdust bread, they couldn't afford submarines.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      You neglect the possibility that without the fear of angering the U.S., Germany could have pursued a much more effective submarine blockade of Britian.

      see that anon's post. British capitulation was imminent when USA entered

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        No they weren't.

  3. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    They weren't retard, by 1918 the germans were losing. They launched a massive offensive and were crushed in a french counterattack.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >1918
      when the USA was already in the game.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        The second battle of the Marne had barely 10% of american troops, most of them terrible because they had 0 experience or adapted doctrine (which is why Pershing conceded and placed them under french officers commands despite his reluctance).

        Americans really began to fight during the Saint Mihiel and the Argonnes offensive which was 2 months later and by that time the germans were already de facto defeated'

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      the US bankrolled the Entente the entire war and provides lots of troops during the 1918 offensive already. Also Germany wouldn't have felt forced to throw everything into the Spring Offensive 1918 without the prospect of hundreds of thousands of more US troops arriving. Germany had just knocked Russia out of the war and gained an advantage again.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Really it was ultimately the Brits that did the killing blow the moment they completely encircled the German coastline and blocked Germany off from world trade. While it happened early from then on it was just really slowly bleeding Germany out.

      Even if Germany "won" there would still have been mass starvation. A Revolution was pretty much inevitable. Hell Germany "winning" but then having a massive famine at their hands could if anything have led to Germany becoming "Soviet". By 1918 German troops only received a fraction of their normal rations. Making them even more vulnerable to the Spanish Flu on top of it all.

      US support was really just a participation trophy.

  4. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >you just realized turks and australians fought for thousands of years to just die as an ally

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >turks and australians fought for thousands of years
      >turks and australians fought for thousands of years
      >turks and australians fought for thousands of years
      I finally understand what picnic at hanging rock is about

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        huh

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >I finally understand what picnic at hanging rock is about
        I can never get through it without becoming comatose
        I like Weir's other movies though

  5. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Because we're fucking Germans.
    Imo we needed those two world wars to make fr and gb understand that were equals who won't be treated like shit.
    Thousands of years of tribalism and continuity made us a people to be reconned with.
    Imo Germanic people are genetically superior and culturally superior.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Imo Germanic people are genetically superior and culturally superior.
      You still haven't learned your lesson.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Imo Germanic people are genetically superior and culturally superior.
      You lost two world wars thats hardly superior is it

  6. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    More land to play around with industry than the bongs and frogs.
    Also they were competent enough to properly utilize that land.

    US had more land to play around with and they were also competent enough to utilize it properly.
    Also the Entente successfully lobbied the idea of selling guns for money to the then isolationist Americans.

  7. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    they werent
    millions of casualties isnt something to ignore nor is it replaceable as the manpower pool dries up and you have to start conscripting children and elderly who will have no battlefield effectiveness
    by the start of 1918 war exhaustion was already going to snap their back
    intervention of the US only sped up the defeat, not caused it since the entente still had some juice to spare and there were already revolutions in germany

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >the entente still had some juice to spare
      did you see the state of the french army before america joined, retard?

  8. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    And then, a hundred years and countless brother wars later, UK is half-pakistani, France is half-algerian, Germany is half-turkish. Good job to our grand-dads.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      kek a Mutt talking about pure people lmao.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        I'm french. And i was not "talking about" anyone, son. I was publicly regretting a world you only heard of.

  9. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Do Americans actually think they did anything in WW1?
    I guess when you lose every war you fight you have to find your victories somewhere.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      they made a lot of money off it which makes them smart

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        no that was ww2

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      I think without US economic aid the entente would have been in a difficult position, especially after the vatniks keeled over and died
      germany could have negotiated a far better peace deal at versailles at the very least

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Austria-Hungary was the shittiest performer in the Great War, if Max Hoffmann wasn't a fucking genius and saved both Germany and bailed Austria's ass out even the shitty incompetant Russian Empire would've been sniffing Vienna by the end of 1915. Austria lost half of it's total army in the first six months of the war, and Hotzendorf was an idiot with delusions of grandeur detatched from reality and fucked up opening mobilization of their army in the first place, and the Russians nearly steamrolled them in Galacia until the Germans bailed them out (after defeating their own massive Russian offensive and then doing logitistical marvels to travel south in time to bail the Austrians out).

      "Spanish" Flu started at a marshalling center in the United States. So yeah, USA did win the Great War, deal with it serf.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Austria-Hungary was the shittiest performer
        That was Italy, retard.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          No, it was the Ottomans. AH gets too much shit. They also had the most fronts out of any power.
          >Germany
          >Bongland
          >France
          >Austria-Hungary
          >Italy
          >Ottmans

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            It just has to be Russia man, come on

  10. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    They had the wunderwaffe of the previous age: Russian émigré, more deadly than any nuke

  11. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >superior to the Entente
    >krauts get their asses handed by frogs at the Marne & Verdun

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Keeping in mind, thé french packagé at thé Time had 1.5 liter of wine each day for each soldiers.french soldiers in ww1 were supposed to drink water only in thé most dire circonstances. Thé logistics had to give them 1?5 liter of wine and a glass of rhum or liquor every day, for each soldier.

      That means that thé germans got their ass hzndled to them by a an army where virtually every soldiers save for algerians auxiliaires were drunk all around the clock.

      Verdun is probably one of thé only Times they had to actually drink water du to siège and reports from vétérans make it look like an absolute horror for them

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        holy fuck didn't know that. pathetic if true

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2014/01/wine-and-warfare-part-9-le-salut-au-pere-pinard/%23:~:text%3DAt%2520the%2520beginning%2520of%2520the,the%2520opportunity%2520to%2520buy%2520more.&ved=2ahUKEwii5qfhx6_5AhUS8xoKHX5TBXoQFnoECAQQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3yDtXoE0a6LBRQIgtBbWIW

          https://www.google.com/amp/s/pointshistory.com/2014/05/22/world-war-i-part-1-the-french-army-and-wine/amp/

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >germans got their ass hzndled to them by a an army
        Man you really have no idea what you're talking about

  12. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Germany carried hard, the austrian traitor spy fed a bit too hard on the offlaner though.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Redl's spying was not of much importance strategically, although he did hurt Vienna's and Berlin's intel capabilities by naming their own spies. The Austrian armies adapted and halted their armies about sixty miles early, thus avoiding the Russian pincer movement in Galicia after changing their mobilisation plans they considered compromised - even then, there was little room for change as everyone was aware of the railways that would likely be used in mobilisation. While the Russians still inflicted a bitter defeat on Austria-Hungary, they had dodged a decisive blow.

  13. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Germany.
    Gallipoli was a one time entente blunder ottomans still got their shit kicked in in the east by russia of all people and were the only major power still using black powder weapons during the war. Bulgaria managed to hold off entente offensives from greece decently and Austria-Hungary was winning against italy but if not for german intervention Russia would have steamrolled the eastern front because only germany had such a fighting advantage as to outmatch the slavic masses

  14. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    An approximate assessment is that Germany outproduced Europe and the US outproduced the world. By the time the Americans had eliminmated the massive debt they had amassed in Europe from expansion in the 19th century by delivering supplies to the Entente, things started looking grim for GB and FR, and the historians I know consider a "Entente powers collapse economically in summer 1917 and strive for peace" scenario the most likely for a central power victory. Germany drawing the US into the conflict kept the goods flowing, and that was the end of their hopes.

  15. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    You don't have to be a genius to note that weaker countries do worse at war than countries that are materially stronger than them in every measurable capacity. This does not say *anything* about their competence.

  16. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    The real disappointments of WW1 were Austro-Hungary, Italy and Russia. Everyone else did ok or better than expected.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Weakest great power
      >Not even a proper great power stuck in a terrible strategic situation
      >Shafted by slow mobilisation
      For what they were they did alright

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >have one of the biggest armies in Europe but get beaten by pretty much everyone
        >1000 battles at isonzo
        >die in the literal tens of millions and then collapse to civil war and kill even more tens of millions of your own people
        stfu

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Austria literally won 9 out of the 12 Isonzo battles and the Isonzo campaign as a whole. Stop spouting ahistorical copium moron babble. Are you a shitalian?

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            Did you misread my post or something? Fucking retard.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              Alright, but why talk about Russia's failures and then bring in the battles of the Isonzo? Austria-Hungary outperformed both Italy and Russia, and this despite having its mobilisation plans leaked by a raging homosexual traitor spy.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Austria-Hungary got beaten by fucking Serbia and Romania until the Germans stepped in.
                They were also getting pushed at Isonzo too until the Germans counter-attacked and saved them.

                They under-performed by all metrics.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                They crushed Serbia and occupied them for 3 years. They lost 60% of their male population and a third of their total population.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Serbia got beaten by Germans and Bulgarians. Austro-Hungarians got bogged down despite heavily outnumbering the Serbians.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Oh nose, allies help allies in war!? That's only allowed when the BEF protects Paris and saves France from certain defeat!
                Reddit rhetoric. Either way, the tide turned in 1915 and Serbia was defeated in a matter of weeks. Losing a vast amount of its population and getting utterly shitcanned as well as occupied for the remainder of the war. If it hadn't been for Austria-Hungary holocoasting so many serboids in WW1, there'd be tens of millions of them today.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Austro-Hungarian allies beat Serbia
                >this means Austro-Hungary was a competent military power
                kek how? They fucking lost 1v1 to Serbia, a country way smaller and weaker than them.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                I already told you that their entire Serbia and Russia campaign plans had been leaked by a homosexual espionage officer in 1914.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                You mean Redl, the guy that died before WW1 even started?

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >hurrdurr
                The fag had been a spy in Russian service since 1903. Do you really think that a war with Serbia and Russia wasn't foreseeable prior to the Archduke's assassination? Clearly there were plans to shitcan Serbia and conflict with Russia had been looming due to Austria's ambitions in the Balkans. 10 years of surveillance by the Chief of the General Staff himself forwarded to enemies shortly before the outbreak of the largest war the world had ever seen. Yes, Austria's military was outdated after nearly 60 years of peace, but it still pushed through. Russia was arguably the biggest loser in WW1, as was Italy, which lost a million men fighting on 1 front for an impotent landgrab.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                If an American spy gave the Iraqis the US battleplan for the invasion, do you think Iraq would've won the war and America would've needed to be bailed out by France and the UK?
                Fact of the matter is that Austro-Hungary was a Great Power and Serbia and Romania weren't even regional powers. Battleplans leaked or not, there is no excuse to constantly needing to be saved by the Germans all throughout the war.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >From 1903 to 1913, Redl was Russia's leading spy. Before World War I, he provided the Russians with information of Plan III, the entire Austrian invasion plan for Serbia. The Russians then informed the Serbian military command about Plan III. As a result, when the Austro-Hungarian Army invaded Serbia, the Serbians were well prepared.[5] Redl not only provided many of Austria's military secrets and plans, but he also supplied incorrect estimates of Russian military strength to his own military authorities.
                >Redl is thought to have sold to Russia one of Austria's principal attack plans, along with its order of battle, its mobilization plans (at a time when mobilization was viewed as one of the critical keys to victory) and detailed plans of Austrian fortifications that were soon overrun by Russia. He is known beyond question to have sent Austrian agents into Russia and then to have sold them out. He also had Austrian agents within the Russian Imperial Staff, but betrayed them too, to be hanged or to commit suicide.

                Are you seriously comparing 21st century muttmerica to 20th century AH in light of the insane changes in warfare and intel? Goalpost moving moron brained retard.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, I am comparing them you fucking scumbag piece of shit. You're either a Great Power or you're not.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Be quiet, non-white Blackrock golem. Sandmorons took Kabull in 1 day.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Where's AH now, moron?

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Ottomans also did shit. Gallipole was saved pretty much entirely thanks to Attatürk. But everywhere else?

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Austro-Hungary
      Got Redl'd

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Redl

  17. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    They weren't

  18. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    >superior to the Entente
    >lost despite Russia imploding and leaving the war

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Did you just wilfully ignore the "without the USA" part dummy?

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        You have on over-sized view of what America did in WW1, probably based on anecdotes about shotguns and such.

  19. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    People talk about the decisive USA involvement, but imagine if Italy had joined the Entente in 1914. No contest

  20. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    >some retard in 2022 on PrepHoles talking up the A-H Army
    >when Imperial German Generals during the actual fucking war talked about A-H as being a burden they had to try and compensate for

    hmmm

  21. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Germany, germany and only germany. AH only started performing when they let germany run things, and the ottomans likewise had german advisors to guide them. The single greatest feat of the US/NATO is how they managed to ruin the greatest army, general staff and command structure in history and turn it into a politically driven, commissarridden shitfest to placate some butthurt garden gnomes

  22. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    dont know man but strompooper where cool doods TWU

  23. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know. What was their plan for victory even before the US joined? Did they really think of they took Paris France would surrender instead of holding on like the Belgians or France did in 1870?

    Their only hope seemed like a hold forever and pray for a negotiated end to the war. But then they did things that made negotiation harder (poison gas, unlimited submarine warfare, shooting civies)

  24. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    US was extremely essential to winning both world wars. No amount of crying will change this. Accept it.

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