Why was the M2 carbine a better weapon than Stg44?

Wehraboos are not allowed.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It wasn’t, aside from being more durable in the long run, .30 is positively anemic compared to 8mm Kurz

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >.30 is positively anemic compared to 8mm Kurz
      This, while the StG-44 if far from perfect, .30 carbine is just not fit to be the main rifle cartridge of an army, an M2 Carbine chambered in a caliber like 5.56 would be a different story.
      If I was to give the M2 points for anything it is it's the light weight of both the gun and ammo. It is the better weapon to issue to people who aren't riflemen but whose job requires a weapon, probably should have had a folding stock w/ pistol grip like the paratrooper model though.

      StG-44 loaded = 11lb / 6 extra 30rd magazines = 12lbs, total of 23lb.
      M2 Carbine loaded = 6.5lb / 6 extra magazines = 6lb, total of 12.5lb

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I will never understand people who opt for inferior handling over slightly better balistics.

        What is essentially a magnum pistol cartridge vs a relatively anemic intermediate round in a much heavier gun with all of the issues associated with being the first of it's generation isn't that big of a difference when your talking the kinds of engagements that occured in WW2. Korea maybe you'd have a case but even 5.56 would have had issues there

        There's a reason why you still see the M1 used by SEA/Israeli police and american civilians but the only people with STG44's are people who couldn't get an AK and don't even know what they have.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not even close.
          >There's a reason why you still see the M1 used by SEA/Israeli police and american civilians but the only people with STG44's are people who couldn't get an AK and don't even know what they have.
          The Stg44 turned into the G3 once peace fave it time to be properly developed, anon.
          The G3 is quite a lot more successful than the M2.
          So is the entire assault rifle concept if you prefer that comparison.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's cheating and you know it. Might as well include the Mini 14 or the 5.7 Johnson Spitfire retroactively in that arguement if your gonna pull that kind of shit.

            It was a clunkier heavier gun with the same realiability/magazine issues as the M1. Kurz sucks ass compared to proper intermediate cartridges if you wanna make ammo an issue

            Remember those roller delayed guns were also chambered in .30 Carbine initially as well

            M1 is a better handling gun. STG44 has slightly better range and ballistics and equal or worse everything else.

            It's like saying you'd rather have a Hakim than a 5.56 Steyr Scout because muh full power cartridge. On paper the STG44 is better, in practical application ironically it's the STG44 that is a novelty and the M1 more practical. M1 aged better than the STG44 period

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >reddit spacing moron

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not what reddit

                spacing is

                Retard

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, he's right. There's no reason to hit enter twice for every second sentence, anon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there's no reason to sperg out about it other than for exosemantic gang signaling by tryhard newfags

                gay

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Newgarden gnome.
                The reason why enforcing a common identity that shuns outsiders is important is because it encourages integration into board culture and keeps the worst garbage out.
                Remember when we stooped doing it qt the beginning of the war and attracted a ton if noguns tourists from Britain and Eastern Europe who feel like they belong here now despite never being in a thread that's not about the war?
                Shit like this is how you avoid that. Gatekeeping is a good thing. Once you've been here a bit longer you'll realize thar
                >inb4 that makes no sense there's nothing wrong with reddit spacing abloobloobloo
                Literally doesn't matter. Even if it would be objectively superior and not just attention seeking gayry it's important to enforce standards and antagonise newcomers who don't understand why.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah and when that schizoid precept is provably inaccurate wrt PrepHole's actual history involving post formatting and reddit itself, it's counterproductive and promotes "reddit" tier self aggrandizement and denigrates the overall quality of the website you ignorant gay zoomer

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Read this again, retarded moron

                Newgarden gnome.
                The reason why enforcing a common identity that shuns outsiders is important is because it encourages integration into board culture and keeps the worst garbage out.
                Remember when we stooped doing it qt the beginning of the war and attracted a ton if noguns tourists from Britain and Eastern Europe who feel like they belong here now despite never being in a thread that's not about the war?
                Shit like this is how you avoid that. Gatekeeping is a good thing. Once you've been here a bit longer you'll realize thar
                >inb4 that makes no sense there's nothing wrong with reddit spacing abloobloobloo
                Literally doesn't matter. Even if it would be objectively superior and not just attention seeking gayry it's important to enforce standards and antagonise newcomers who don't understand why.

                And I've been on this site since 05/06.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/zP5wvk5.jpg

                >inb4 that makes no sense there's nothing wrong with reddit spacing abloobloobloo
                >Literally doesn't matter.
                [...]
                >yeah and when that schizoid precept is provably inaccurate wrt PrepHole's actual history involving post formatting
                Midwit trying to appear smarter than he is.

                yeah a bunch of schizoid autists constantly trying to pull rank on eachother and derailing threads when "reddit spacing" has been a thing on PrepHole since the begining is what makes a community good. Your totally not just a disruptive gay trying to virtue signal as a member of the in group like a moron

                You are all trying way too hard

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                t. Butthurt tourist
                Thanks for telling the whole thread you don't belong here, anon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >when "reddit spacing" has been a thing o

                Newgarden gnome.
                The reason why enforcing a common identity that shuns outsiders is important is because it encourages integration into board culture and keeps the worst garbage out.
                Remember when we stooped doing it qt the beginning of the war and attracted a ton if noguns tourists from Britain and Eastern Europe who feel like they belong here now despite never being in a thread that's not about the war?
                Shit like this is how you avoid that. Gatekeeping is a good thing. Once you've been here a bit longer you'll realize thar
                >inb4 that makes no sense there's nothing wrong with reddit spacing abloobloobloo
                Literally doesn't matter. Even if it would be objectively superior and not just attention seeking gayry it's important to enforce standards and antagonise newcomers who don't understand why.

                >Literally doesn't matter.
                You missed the point, newfriend.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"i was just pretending to be retarded as a shit test"

                fuck off larper. You don't know or dictate shit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >anon can't parse simple English
                ESL.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >inb4 that makes no sense there's nothing wrong with reddit spacing abloobloobloo
                >Literally doesn't matter.

                yeah and when that schizoid precept is provably inaccurate wrt PrepHole's actual history involving post formatting and reddit itself, it's counterproductive and promotes "reddit" tier self aggrandizement and denigrates the overall quality of the website you ignorant gay zoomer

                >yeah and when that schizoid precept is provably inaccurate wrt PrepHole's actual history involving post formatting
                Midwit trying to appear smarter than he is.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Paragraphs, dumbass.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >that's cheating and you know it. Might as well include the Mini 14 or the 5.7 Johnson Spitfire retroactively in that arguement if your gonna pull that kind of shit.
              We can if you want to.
              Won't change the result though.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The Stg44 turned into the G3 once peace fave it time to be properly developed, anon.
            no it didn't. the G3 was derived from the stg45.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And the stg45 was derived from the stg44.

              The M1/2/3 is absolutely better built. The STG44 as they were made were effectively disposable guns. They didn't last long on the battlefield and the people making them knew that so took it into consideration. STGs also aren't fully interchangeable. The bolts are different and thats where you set the headspace.

              >The Stg44 turned into the G3 once peace fave it time to be properly developed, anon.

              The STG44 has nothing in common with the G3 except for the stamped receiver construction. The G3 is descended from the STG45(m) which is a completely different from from the STG44.

              >The STG44 has nothing in common with the G3 except for the stamped receiver construction. The G3 is descended from the STG45(m) which is a completely different from from the STG44.
              Dumdum

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It really isn't anon. Its history is not a mystery you can easily look it up. STG44 was designed by Schmeisser at Haenel. STG45(M) was by a team at Mauser. They went on to make the CETME and then came back in the 50's to form HK.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the Mauser boys can't have worked with the 44 as a basis because it's a different company
                Come on now.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The M1/2/3 is absolutely better built. The STG44 as they were made were effectively disposable guns. They didn't last long on the battlefield and the people making them knew that so took it into consideration. STGs also aren't fully interchangeable. The bolts are different and thats where you set the headspace.

            >The Stg44 turned into the G3 once peace fave it time to be properly developed, anon.

            The STG44 has nothing in common with the G3 except for the stamped receiver construction. The G3 is descended from the STG45(m) which is a completely different from from the STG44.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >There's a reason why you still see the M1 used by SEA/Israeli police and american civilians but the only people with STG44's are people who couldn't get an AK and don't even know what they have.
            Yeah, we made a gorllion of them and gave them out to anyone who was mildly anticommunist and kept making parts and ammo for them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The Stg44 turned into the G3 once

            No. It's like saying that ''hurr dduuur AK47 is a copy of Stg44!!1111''

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Cope

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, you are coping heinie.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >probably should have had a folding stock w/ pistol grip like the paratrooper model though.
        I was always perplexed as to why the original M1 carbine didn’t have a folding stock. It seems pretty obvious for a weapon designed to be small and lightweight

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > .30 carbine is just not fit to be the main rifle cartridge of an army
        it was never meant to ne, it was supposed to be better than just having a pistol, which it certainly was.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine how much faster you can "storm" or "assault" with essentially a 5lb automatic levergun than trying to whip around indoors a gun weighing three times that including ammo.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It flat out wasnt. It was still good, but not as good.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was made in larger numbers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's really that puts it past the stg it would be dynamite if it would have been produced in massive numbers. Fingers crossed there a bunker in Best Korea that's been making them and stock piling then since the 50s

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was the M2 carbine even a better weapon than the M1 carbine?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      30 round magazine plus the select fire option that they originally wanted on the M1 carbine? Of course.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Select fire is marginally better as it can be an option in some niche situations, the bigger improvement is the better mag catch and 30rd mags even just for more semiauto shots between reloads.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you don't like the M1 Carbine your opinions on firearms are unironically worthless

    STG is cooler but the M1 is superior. Apples and Oranges either way.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If you don't like the M1 Carbine your opinions on firearms are unironically worthless
      What if I just think it looks a bit ugly?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        death

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Objectively wrong

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You take that back, mister!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If you don't like the M1 Carbine your opinions on firearms are unironically worthless
      Opinions dont matter in firearms, facts matter.
      Sweetie.
      Fact is the M1 Carbine is not better than the STG44.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        objectively quantify that "fact" then bitch

        Oh wait you can't

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    economy of scale

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IMO an M1 carbine with the paratrooper stock and 30rd mags was probably the second best rifle in WW2 behind the StG.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that but with the commercial """pistol""" versions

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What if you need to shoot back at something shooting at you at 300 meters or beyond?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Aim higher

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We're the US, not Germany. Arty will be called in

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          MGs can still be suppressing you at that distance or greater and joined in by Krauts or Japs with rifles. You still want something to shoot back with before the artillery arrives, especially if other Krauts or Japs are moving up trying to kill you.

          The M1 and M2 carbines were great for supporting troops and freed up a whole lot of rifles and the latter also made a great replacement for existing submachine guns. Yet there are plenty of stories of infantry in WWII who carried a carbine for awhile because it was so light but ultimately went back to carrying an M1 Garand because the carbine didn't have the same range, hitting power, and ability to penetrate cover.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then you break out the baseball bats and beano grenades.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        not my job

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Redditspacing is a thing zoomer gays who want to sound older and cool made up. Anons were typing that way before reddit existed. It makes shit easy to read. There's nothing wrong with it and calling it out is just admitting you don't have an argument. I have spoken.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Newgarden gnome.
      The reason why enforcing a common identity that shuns outsiders is important is because it encourages integration into board culture and keeps the worst garbage out.
      Remember when we stooped doing it qt the beginning of the war and attracted a ton if noguns tourists from Britain and Eastern Europe who feel like they belong here now despite never being in a thread that's not about the war?
      Shit like this is how you avoid that. Gatekeeping is a good thing. Once you've been here a bit longer you'll realize thar
      >inb4 that makes no sense there's nothing wrong with reddit spacing abloobloobloo
      Literally doesn't matter. Even if it would be objectively superior and not just attention seeking gayry it's important to enforce standards and antagonise newcomers who don't understand why.

      >Literally doesn't matter
      The fact that you're so defensive about something meaningless is funny. But it, together with your repeated mentioning of zoomers, which is the same tactic you accuse others off, except more indirectly (and thus gay) because you're insecure, kinda proves the point that you shouldn't be here.
      In other words, you smell new.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        everything is this performative larp gayry with you. You are objectively, provably wrong about the topic you are idiotically attempting to speak authoritatively about. Whatever insinuations you want to make are irrelevant.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You are objectively, provably wrong about the topic you are idiotically attempting to speak authoritatively about.
          Why is reading so difficult for you?
          What do you think I'm wrong about, anon? Let the whole class hear it. Go ahead, embarrass yourself.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why are you gays still arguing about this ?? do people actually give a shit about le "reddit spacing"

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          modern cargo cult "anons" with a warped perception of this place do. Muh sekrit club and all.

          It's not gatekeeping it's just infighting started by egotistical gays who don't know what they're talking about.

          It's why the meta of this place is obnoxious cancer.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's not gatekeeping
            >enforcing established norms and shunning behaviour of outsiders isn't gatekeeping
            Go ahead and post the screenshot of moot reddit spacing, retard.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              go ahead and rebuke it then moron. This was never a thing. You newfags made it a thing and your trying to retroactively justify it because you know your fucking wrong

              >"u...uhhh it's just a test"

              YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE moron

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

                >because it's literally not fucking true you fucking gay
                [...]
                >Literally doesn't matter
                Are you honestly too dense to get the concept?
                That doesn't matter, anon. It never did.
                It serves an important social function. And I can't be wrong about something I never claimed you dumb fuck.
                >The majority of people who accuse others of reddit spacing think it's a real thing and you know it.
                Good. That means it's working.
                >Just admit your wrong.
                About what? Quote it.
                >This is fucking sad
                Your inability to read simple English really is.

                I can't believe you're that fucking stupid that you still don't get it.
                You have actual autism, don't you? Your inability to grasp a position outside of your clearly defined sides is really revealing. You're also fucking retarded, apparently.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                because you are being disingenious you fucking poser

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >disingenious
                About what? Quote it.
                >poser
                Lmao, you're the only one eh keeps on bringing up fake street cred.
                Funnily enough I'm willing to bet I've been here longer than you. I was a general in the FWG war that crippled the site before you figured out how to masturbate, moron.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                reddit spacing is not a thing, deliberately pretending it's a thing for some meta purpose beyond shitposting is not a thing

                You are a fucking idiot. Be honest. ARE you a zoomer? Something about your posts is off

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Reddit spacing

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                are you a zoomer. It's a simple question

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stop seething of a make believed boogieman, anon. I'm not even the anon you were sperging on

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >reddit spacing is not a thing, deliberately pretending it's a thing for some meta purpose beyond shitposting is not a thing
                Gatekeeping in all ways is good.
                I don't care if you approve of the veracity of the arguments used by people, no matter if they're smart or retarded, at the very least they're still useful retards. Redditspacer.
                And I'm obviously not a zoomer if I was here during the FWG war where the Australian stalker hacked the site you dumb cunt.
                I'm not the guy you replied to above this either.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                gatekeeping would be keeping lying poser gays like you the fuck off this website with your autistic ad hoc bullshit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Struck a nerve, didn't?
                Old Otto's still got it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, gatekeeping is not good. Shut the fuck up. People accusing others of redditspacing, are dumb fucks.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I explained to him why it doesn't matter and why it's not the point but he's such a one-dimensional peabrain he literally can't understand the effect of an action mattering more than the action itself.
            I reckon he's swarthy.
            [...]
            t. Brainlet tourist

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's why the meta of this place is obnoxious cancer.
            >the meta
            This is the guy calling you a newfag on PrepHole.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              why does it remind you of your bing bing wahoos newfag?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I explained to him why it doesn't matter and why it's not the point but he's such a one-dimensional peabrain he literally can't understand the effect of an action mattering more than the action itself.
          I reckon he's swarthy.

          modern cargo cult "anons" with a warped perception of this place do. Muh sekrit club and all.

          It's not gatekeeping it's just infighting started by egotistical gays who don't know what they're talking about.

          It's why the meta of this place is obnoxious cancer.

          t. Brainlet tourist

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            because it's literally not fucking true you fucking gay. No actual oldfag is gonna go along with that disingenious bullshit and you are literally making shit up to save face

            The majority of people who accuse others of reddit spacing think it's a real thing and you know it. They aren't shit testing anyone, they aren't trying to maintain standards they're just fucking retards trying to gain clout or ad hom someone elses post

            Just admit your wrong. This is fucking sad

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >because it's literally not fucking true you fucking gay

              Newgarden gnome.
              The reason why enforcing a common identity that shuns outsiders is important is because it encourages integration into board culture and keeps the worst garbage out.
              Remember when we stooped doing it qt the beginning of the war and attracted a ton if noguns tourists from Britain and Eastern Europe who feel like they belong here now despite never being in a thread that's not about the war?
              Shit like this is how you avoid that. Gatekeeping is a good thing. Once you've been here a bit longer you'll realize thar
              >inb4 that makes no sense there's nothing wrong with reddit spacing abloobloobloo
              Literally doesn't matter. Even if it would be objectively superior and not just attention seeking gayry it's important to enforce standards and antagonise newcomers who don't understand why.

              >Literally doesn't matter
              Are you honestly too dense to get the concept?
              That doesn't matter, anon. It never did.
              It serves an important social function. And I can't be wrong about something I never claimed you dumb fuck.
              >The majority of people who accuse others of reddit spacing think it's a real thing and you know it.
              Good. That means it's working.
              >Just admit your wrong.
              About what? Quote it.
              >This is fucking sad
              Your inability to read simple English really is.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are literally making shit up because you can't admit your wrong.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong about what? Quote me being "factually, provably" wrong.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the best part is whether they believe in it or not it outs the extremely mentally ill spergs and shits up their threads

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The M2 isn’t even better than the MKb42(H)

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i like how they put a vuvuzela on the front
    >BZZZ BZZZ BZZZ BZZZ

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because i like it better and the factories making the spare parts and magazines weren't actively being raped by other armies

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In terms of practicality? It wasn't except with how lightweight it was.
    In terms of aesthetic? It was for sure.
    In terms of availability? Absolutely, not only was the M1/M2 Carbine allowed to be produced after the war, but it was manufactured by a country where civilians could actually own them.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just because being Wehraboos went out of style and being a Sovietboo is now rightfully recognized as a mental illness, doesn't mean Ameriboos and Teaboos get to shit up the board with their nonsence

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Teaboos

      Lol wtf? I've never seen a single Teaboo on the internet ever. The Brits didn't even had a fucking SMG until 1944, and it was a POS. They also had a fucking revolver for a standard sidearm until 60's.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ammo weighs less but less powerfru
    Either is fine

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