Why was the battle of Avdiivka so much more mechanized than Bakhmut?

Why was the battle of Avdiivka so much more mechanized than Bakhmut? Avdiivka still had btrs/bmps/tanks until the fall but Bakhmut was almost entirely infantry based.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Artillery, Ukraine ran out near the end of the battle allowing Russia to move its APCs in more freely.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Artillery, and Wagner was already out of favor before taking the city, so the gravy train was running out

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because the UA is running out of artillery shells, so it's harder for them to supress armored columns now than it was during Bakhmut.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Very organic.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wagner was mostly an infantry force while at Avdiivka Russia committed their best units and air force

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia committed their best units and air force
      Another wave of ZA VDV

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >avdivka, small town with lots of fields where most action took place
    >bakhmut, 100k+ population with large urban areas you coudlnt control by simply owning the fields surrounding it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >100k+ population
      At peak in bakhmut lived around 75k people. Are you inflating statistics to make russian victories less pathetic?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Given that the russians lost around 80k men taking that bombed out ruin, it sounds slightly less embarrassing if they say the population was higher than their loss count

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The image was proven to be of Ukrainian bodies lmfao

          https://i.imgur.com/wO2c2hW.jpg

          Why was the battle of Avdiivka so much more mechanized than Bakhmut? Avdiivka still had btrs/bmps/tanks until the fall but Bakhmut was almost entirely infantry based.

          Wagner was largely soloing Bakhmut and they are not as mechanized.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >was proven
            may i see it?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They were wagnerite prison conscripts being used by regulars to bait out ukrainian firing positions, but whatever you say, Ivan

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >actually those are Ukrainians
            Is this the best cope turdies can come up with?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It was never about being convincing, or even fooling the ignorant. It's just meant to annoy you and waste your time. That tiny little bit of violence is all that impotent and spiteful vatniks are capable of inflicting.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            bagshitter

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The image was proven to be of Ukrainian bodies lmfao

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But when you think about it Kyiv govt also sacrificing tens on thousand of its soldiers just to lose the town in the end. It was all for nothing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Eh, Ukrainian losses were somewhere around 12-15k by most estimates. Heavy, yes, but very light compared to russia. Given that Wagner completely ceased to be a threat after the battle, it seems like the Ukrainians made the right call

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The questionable part was doubling down and continuing to fight when the ratio evened out once it became urban street by street fighting. Maybe Prigozhin wouldn't have had a melty and effectively ended Wagner if Ukraine hadn't pushed him to the absolute limit, but it resulted in a lot of casualties that probably should have been avoided. Especially in hindsight knowing that Ukraine wasn't actually holding out for anything. It was months before the misguided counteroffensive happened, so it really was just a foolhardy "not one step back" order. Losing territory is painful, but Ukraine has gotten incredible amounts of value out of defense in depth where they've used it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Well you say that, but a lot of remaining Wagner guys simply got incorporated into Storm Z units that then proceeded to grind their way through Avdiivka
              In some way I'm sure Russian planners are happy Priggy is no longer in the picture

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It doesn't look like a pyrrhic victory I must say..

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It almost caused a fricking coup in Russia, or are we still pretending that didnt happen

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          6 gorillion dead Russians, Anon.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Bakhmut was almost entirely infantry based
    Wagner prisoners meat waves.
    >Avdiivka
    Russian regulars being thrown in meat waves with mec and tank support.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They could much more easily concentrate armor in and around Donetsk city which is why the initial assault strength was such a surprise. Bakhmut was harder to get decent amounts of armor to and I don't think the RU MoD ever even trusted Wagner with much armor. Not that a force that's 90% untrained conscripted prisoners would find armor that useful.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What everyone has already said, and that Donets city was RIGHT THERE, allowing Russians easy logistics to a degree that they didn't have anywhere else.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mostly the terrain. There are a lot of forests directly bordering Bakhmut making it more conducive to stage infantry attacks against the city rather than mechanized ones. Plus, Bakhmut was largely Wagner's area of responsibility and their own vehicle pool was much more limited. They had plenty of meat but little metal they could afford to expend.

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