why there's so much hype around simunition now? Why is it better than airsoft?

why there's so much hype around simunition now? Why is it better than airsoft? From what i'm seeing it's just more expensive with no real added value

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gayblittle airsoft gay OP upset no one takes his plastic bb ball wars seriously.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >i need my Big Boy TM stuff branded by a bearded ex-sof to feel adult and heterosexual
      okay

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit! Do you even tactical bro?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's using real guns to shoot real bullets at each other. It's as lifelike as it can get without literally killing each other.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >real bullets
      well no
      i get the advantage of using a real gun but is it worthy paying that much? are airsoft guns so much inferior?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Considering it's a projectile fired by exploding gunpowder, I'd say it's a real bullet in the same way rubber bullets are real bullets. Airsoft has a weird trajectory and doesn't come with an inherent danger like sims do. You can get shot by an airsoft bb and it may hurt a tiny bit. You get hit with a sim and you may be fucked up rolling on the floor because it HURTS.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Airsoft has a weird trajectory
          no it pistols it does not
          >and doesn't come with an inherent danger like sims do
          500 fps CO2 asg guns want to have a word with you
          Then there's Kano paradox - you can't train a lot with a stuff that will make you rolling on the floor from pain. And it will because in FOF you get shoot very frequently.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            With sim ammo You train to NOT get shot and you do so under a severe amount of stress (you learn to keep calmer). People in airsoft do (what in combat would be ) very risky manouvers and strategy (if you can call it that) because it hurts very little when you get peppered. Simunition puts fear of pain into the equasion so you actually Have to think and plan. #Not all airsofters are cat-ear dual m11 non serious players but everyone in simunition training probably is. Airsoft is kind of good for cqb though

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So the whole point is that it hurts more? Lol I believe that, boys love hurting each other.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There was an experiment done where people were locked in a room with nothing but a button that delivered a small electric shock to themselves. They weren't forced or even encouraged to press it, but there was nothing else to do but press it or sit there doing nothing for a few hours. Everyone pressed the button to shock themselves, one guy did it over 150 times. Men tended to press the button more, but everyone involved pressed the button a lot more than you would expect.
            People would rather experience pain and discomfort than boredom. As far as this relates to airsoft, you do the math.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        To a PD or mil? Absolutely. To you? Probably not. If you don't see the value in the kinesthetics of using all your actual equipment with real sound and sensation and risk of pain and jams, then just play airsoft. You've heard the reasoning, I'm not here to sell you on it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >To a PD or mil? Absolutely. To you? Probably not.
          yeah, to me, to a civilian, PDs and MIL have their own budgets and don't give a fuck about money. Good, thanks for your input

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Police are civilians. All of them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Airsoft guns all vary in realism, especially when it comes to simulating recoil. Simunition typically uses a separate slide than your real gun. So you'll take your slide off and put on a Simunition compatible slide, then use half of your actual gun and your real mags to shoot the CO2 powered rounds. It feels like real shooting but without the deafening effect. It also shows you exactly where you got shot, so if your shoulder or face were sticking out too much you'll know what you need to improve. If you shoot a bad guy in the face, he'll come up to you after and you'll see that you made a good hit. There's less questions when there's marking paint involved, whereas airsoft sometimes you can't tell if you got hit in the face because of the mask or the knee if you're wearing knee pads or elbow pads. Those fuckers also hurt like hell whereas airsoft doesn't hurt that bad, so you're afraid to get hit like irl so you train with caution like you would want to approach a real world situation.

        Better? Yeah. Cost justifying? That's up to your agency to decide. Maybe they could get more realistic training in if they got some airsoft guns. The industrious man would see thay Simunition is overcharging and make a company to rival them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Airsoft guns cost as much as a real AR15, mind as well buy a real one you fucking gay!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe he's just a journalist?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but is it worthy paying that much?

        This is fucking POCKET MONEY to companies and government organizations!

        When you work in a generic office job position some day, ask your employer how much they charge the customer for a hour of your work.

        I work in engineering and in my line of work it's anything from 60 €/h for new guys to 100 €/h for experienced guys, even 200 €/h for experienced on-site specialists and even more for some nearly-retired absolute experts in some narrow field of work.

        But this is hourly salary and not simulation ammo, you ask? Well, everything else is priced in a similar way, that's why things cost so much. You get a tiny part of the money that moves between businesses, even if you think you get plenty for one person.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine being insecure enough to post how much you make on an anonymous thai flooring installation forum

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't ask you anything, you poor brown skin fuck 😀

            Even your monkey brain can understand the concept, right? A person costs money like any items. Because of the general price level, items can be overpriced for companies, you can sell cheap shit AND a service to fill the customer's storage for good profits.

            OP's ammo question is like selling printer ink to an office, you can put 3x or 5x multiplier to the price (compared to what's sold to consumers) and nobody blinks an eye because civilians simply don't use Simunition in any meaningful number.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Retarded European explaining that people buy things with money
              Jesus Christ are you socialist fucks so retarded that exchanging goods for services is such a new concept for you that you feel the need to explain it?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/HBWcl8h.jpg

        why there's so much hype around simunition now? Why is it better than airsoft? From what i'm seeing it's just more expensive with no real added value

        The cost of the ammo is relatively inconsequential compared to the cost of paying the instructors to run a class for you. If you're already taking the step of doing force on force classes you might as well get the best and most realistic experience possible. Would I buy simunitions for myself just to own? No, airsoft is fine for practicing force on force with the boys.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Paintball guns are better.
    You can't deny a hit when you have neon bukkake sprayed on you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Simunition = paintball + pain

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They use your actual gun with an identical trigger pull, and they mark where you hit / are hit. It's like paintball for professionals.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's no longer just larping

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it fucking hurts. Getting shot fucking hurts. You try to avoid getting shot at all costs. This does not happen with airsoft.
    Fear is a big part of training.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Smash your thumb with a hammer until you resist the pain.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's actually an excellent and relatable supporting argument. After one solid hit on your thumb/hand/fingers, you very much want to hit the nail and only the nail from then on. Kinda like taking a SIM in the knuckles/neck/ballsack. You really REALLY don't want it to happen again so you are more careful, pay more attention and focus more.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That’s not the purpose of simmunitions. The purpose is to see where YOUR shots go, while allowing you to train in a near live fire environment against opfor. That’s the real concern and draw. In fact training to be risk adverse and scared is counter intuitive. Also sim rounds don’t hurt that much.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, most of the people who talk up simmunitions on PrepHole will never fucking use them due to how crazy expensive they are. It's been a while since I checked, but cheap .38 special ones were about 60c a round and anything that had to cycle in an autoloader was about $1/round. For comparison, those expensive shotgun slug style first strike paintballs cost 40c/round, and you can get 100-200 airsoft BBs for the price of a single round of simmunitions or similar training rounds.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Honestly, most of the people who talk up simmunitions on PrepHole will never fucking use them due to how crazy expensive they are. It's been a while since I checked, but cheap .38 special ones were about 60c a round and anything that had to cycle in an autoloader was about $1/round. For comparison, those expensive shotgun slug style first strike paintballs cost 40c/round, and you can get 100-200 airsoft BBs for the price of a single round of simmunitions or similar training rounds.
      that's my point exactly, t. op
      obviously excluding mil/leo because they have their budgets and dont give a fuck

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Last I knew they wouldn't sell the parts or simunitions to civillians.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Serious question. Everyone talks about how people are willing to be more risky with airsoft and the importance of pain to discourage people from risky maneuvers, but how much does that actually matter in the long run? Consider that simunitions have a maximum range of 50 yards and only delivering optimum performance out to 30 yards. Any short range CQC assault involving combat at those distances without support from armored vehicles, heavy weapons, etc. is inherently going to be incredibly risky to the point where you should be doing everything in your power to avoid being in such a situation in the first place. How much do the additional risks people take with airsoft actually affect overall team performance and outcomes in those situations? Is there actually a significant difference, or is it just a coping mechanism to avoid acknowledging the high probability of being killed or maimed for life when involved in situations like that?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah bro the sas should have just hit the embassy with wp and cracked a bag of marshmallows

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't say that situations where short range CQC assaults are necessary didn't exist you fucktard. But that's a great example considering they specifically opted to bring in a special forces group that had tons of training compared to regular soldiers and posters here, along with better than normal gear for the time, to deal with the situation because of how severe it was. Totally a situation you want to put yourself in if you have the choice.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its really good training and really fun on top of that.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can't deny being hit and where with sims.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fat

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >not playing airhard
    lmao at you PrepHole

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >rambo tards need their new bing bing wahoos to feel like operators
    you'll still die alone you fat gay

    that's why airsoft is fun, you can meet other likeminded fun people and actually practice squad tactics if you get a decent group together

    or you can larp around with other fat mallcops flexing your dicks over how much your fuck gunshot "hurt"
    lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Airsoft gay this asshurt people are making fun of his toy gun fights
      Back to /toy/ you go gay

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        calm down rambo jones
        you can't even afford those toys and you don't have any friends to arishit with either lmmmao
        stay in your lane cheeseburger walrus

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, I use to air soft, and it was a good way to meet other people, but honestly it’s shit training and won’t do that much for you in the long run. Sure you can supplement it with actual shooting, but really you’d be just as fine with actual shooting.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you’d be just as fine with actual shooting.
            true
            I like it just cause it lets me run around with all my gear on innawoods which can be tough unless you live in the boonies, gives you a good idea of what feels good and where you can put things to keep in reach

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