Probably just overengineering or overlooking some simple fricking thing which is causing issues.
Why the 60s/70s NK-33 was far more efficient than anything NASA could put out until the late 00s. Just a very simple engineering solution that allowed it to reburn it's exhaust that for whatever reasons Western engineers overlooked.
N33 is far from efficient lmao. Like at all.
TWR is not the only thing that matters in lift if you're out of fuel before you hit 20km
They're both designed for specific altitudes, where the shape of the bell makes the difference due to the pressure of the atmosphere changing as you rise.
The NK33 was light and put out good TWR, but that's all it had going for it. NK-33 had a sea-level specific impulse of 297s, Saturn V
stage 1 (LOX/RP-1) rockets were 304, and better higher altitude ISP too.
https://i.imgur.com/JSVqO0H.jpg
>NK-33 more efficient than anything NASA could put out
anon, let me introduce you to the most efficient rocket engine ever built
Designed for vacuum, so higher ISP, but I wouldn't say they're the most efficient since it entirely depends on where they are in stages, and longer nozzle rockets will beat it in ISP, but yeah it is pretty efficient.
RS25 was SL constrained with regards to nozzle just used hydrogen that cause d the isp to go highier.American rockets had way lighter structures than soviet ones and that more than made up the lack of SCC hydrocarbon boosters and US used sustainer cores anyway coupled with centaurs for insane high energy capability and now F9 just rolls over any other operational launch vehicle
No, I guess it's over. One thing, though. Can you show me Russia or China's scramjet engine? Just want to compare the superior design to America's, ya know?
>Here from 1968: A BGRV was launched on February 26, 1968, from Vandenberg Air Force Base by an Atlas F to the area of Wake Island in the Pacific, collecting data that proved valuable in developing later maneuvering reentry vehicles.
Link: https://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/B/BGRV.html
>HyFly Mach 6 Scramjet Missile Test
Link: https://thefutureofthings.com/5667-hyfly-mach-6-scramjet-missile-test/
>HIFIRE/HyCAUSE Scramjet Mach-8+ success with Australia/USA collaboration 2017
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKipc5LpCU
>Advancing Hypersonics –Aerojet Rocketdyne’s Scramjet Engine Makes Hypersonics History
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJyBf8x83Q
>Hypersonic missile successfully hits Ronald Reagan
MACH8 Link: https://www.theregister.com/Print/2011/11/18/hypersonic_weapon_pacific_test/
>In November 2011, AHW was launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility in Kauai, Hawaii, to the Reagan Test Site on the Marshall Islands. The glide vehicle successfully hit the target, which is located about 3,700km away from the launch site.
Link: https://www.army-technology.com/projects/advanced-hypersonic-weapon-ahw/
>Department of Defense Tests Hypersonic Glide Body March 2020
Link: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2119458/department-of-defense-tests-hypersonic-glide-body/
Short vid in this link: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35369/army-shows-first-ever-footage-of-new-hypersonic-missile-in-flight-and-impacting
China doesn't show their tests to the world. In fact, one of the problems of finding out China's capability is that China doesn't subscribe to the "open transparency" doctrine that US follows. So all we get is second party reports and third party reports. There's also the factor of language barrier as well. What we can gleamed is what the Pentagon tells us. Whether or not Petagon is actually stating the truth of if its lying to get more money, is up for debate.
Because they believe literally anything anyone tells them. Because they're stupid from breathing lead fumes, and sucking on cheap lead covered chink toys.
We're talking about the people who rock bumper stickers like "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Because the USA has different weapons testing standards to Russia and China. Its the same story as when that one moron shat on the F35 on RT and 50 other news websites cited it because mainstream media is worthless. All we know about these missile tests are the shit that isn't classified, aka, next to fricking NOTHING. Stop taking news articles at face value
>comparing air breathing hypersonics with very public tests to russian and chink solid fuel claims with no evidence
surely this isn't MIC lobbying for more shekels?
isn't this test about a boost-glide program (Conventional Prompt Strike), not HAWC?
weird how ARRW seems to be doing fine
also, how is the Army's LRHW doing?
American hypersonics are designed to actually hit their targets, rather than just dropping a nuke two kilometres away from them. So they tend to be a wee bit more complicated. Plus they actually admit when they frick up.
Hypersonic missiles need to be able to maneuver, evade countermeasures, have stealth capability, and be extremely accurate, otherwise there is no advantage vs a traditional ballistic missile (which already travels at hypersonic speed). This is why the US is trying to build some kind of stealthy scramjet vehicle that we probably won't see for another 20 years.
Chink and vatBlack person "hypersonics" are literally just solid rocket motors strapped to a delta wing and have no value outside propaganda
>USA makes a test >It ends up in failure >USA makes new designs based on the gained data and then tries again
>Russia makes a test >It ends up in failure, but that cannot be accepted so they lie about it >Russia then tries to produce said design and ends up killing themselves with it
>USA starts tech development >10 years later >USA makes a test >It ends up in failure >USA makes new designs based on the gained data and then tries again >2 years later >another test >success happens >USA makes new design based on gained data >2 years later >successful test >5 years later >production happens
We pushed the F-117 out in almost record speed when the government sat a bunch of lockheed, boeing, northrop and grumman execs in a room and basically said "we need this ASAP so get it working yesterday and we'll pay whatever the cost is." The engies had to measure it with slide rulers.
Different era. Also remember that Lockheed was not actually part of the stealth program at early stages. The took a gamble on the hopeless diamond. They earned a spot with a better design. Also these were the same engineers that designed the blackbird only 20 years prior.
Inertia carries forward a bit. Stagnation/corruption/beurocracy/pork bellying wont. The limit is reaching in multiple fronts now. We're living in a multipolar world
Because their weapon progams are only worth shit on paper to make money and justify tax transfers, their are not designed to work in reality, see Ukraine
US can't really into anything anymore. All the styrofoam memes they've sent to Ukraine are shit, like we have two videos with confirmed kills out of half a million pieces sent, manpads never hit anything.
Why would hypersonic be any different?
US just technologically started lagging, just compare the video from US "military grade" drone and chink consumer drone. It's like there's 20 years technological gap already.
Do US nukes even work? Who fricking knows. Maybe those are styrofoam too.
Would you look at that, this time OP posted his thread with a more ambigious headline so he wouldn't accidently reveal that the test resulted in an in flight failure, not a deployment failure, which means that the deployment issues have been successfully resolved and the missile has progressed another stage in its development program.
I for one sure wouldn't want to be a nation who had invested huge amounts of scientific resources and capital into developing manoeuvrable boost-glide vehicles right about now.
A magicians greatest trick is misdirection. It's all so easy because we are all some seriously dumb motherfrickers.
Of course we don't have hypersonic missiles. Just like our space programs didn't produce weapons.
Like I said, we are all dumb motherfrickers.
You seriously think they want Ukraine to win? Are you fricking moronic? Ukraine is a fricking goldmine. Pushing Russia out would be the worst thing right now.
yeah, I guess you're right, permanent never ending conflict is US goal there. This will go on for years and help will be fine tuned so no side can make decisive win.
You really don't understand. The United States government does not care about Ukrainians dying. Not one bit. They will keep it going into perpetual motion as all the alphabet departments clap their hands together with glee on what they have in front of them. This is a proxy war son. You need to read up on history.
If you fell into the psyop and actually care Ukraine, well they did a good job.
>Uh.. gaiz? We have a problem? >Whats the problem >We forgot how to make HS Missiles >What do you mean, we forgot? >Like, nobody here remembers how to make them >So what? Dig up the files >We can't find them >Can't find the files? >Negative sir, we umm, had them shredded. Remember last months budget meeting about how much it would cost to transfer all our hardcopies onto scanner? >Gentleman, I'm going to need a moment >To call the Pentagon? >Screw the Pentagon, I'm Calling My Lawyer!
>Israli Shiek hands Jerry an envelope of cash >"Thank you jerry, you are a great friend to Israel" >Hops in white limo, Biden Hands Him bag of cash with money sign on it >Pulls away while rock the casbah starts playing
Sorry. I now process everything through family guy cut-away-gag memes. All future political discourse will have to open with a 10 minute dead air video about some guy skinning his knee.
>other HS's >30% accuracy >30% dud rate >no proof of pudding of what they claim to do >american HS trials >bleeding edge of fuel, aerodynamics and sensor technology rolled into one >anything shy of 95% accuracy and sub 5% dud rate considered not good enough >we showcase testing the very real thing that will deliver on what its said to do publicly
This is the same as it's always been, our 'enemies' claim to have something, we jump the fricking gun to outclass it entirely, the 'enemy' never had it to begin with and we're left with advanced tech that is very impressive but ope turns out we didnt really need it for our doctrine
Rinse and repeat.
because ours are in testing where reality dictates results and not on paper where everything always works
You're suggesting China and Russia test to the same degree and publicly release results on the tests?
Probably just overengineering or overlooking some simple fricking thing which is causing issues.
Why the 60s/70s NK-33 was far more efficient than anything NASA could put out until the late 00s. Just a very simple engineering solution that allowed it to reburn it's exhaust that for whatever reasons Western engineers overlooked.
>NK-33 more efficient than anything NASA could put out
anon, let me introduce you to the most efficient rocket engine ever built
N33 is far from efficient lmao. Like at all.
TWR is not the only thing that matters in lift if you're out of fuel before you hit 20km
They're both designed for specific altitudes, where the shape of the bell makes the difference due to the pressure of the atmosphere changing as you rise.
The NK33 was light and put out good TWR, but that's all it had going for it. NK-33 had a sea-level specific impulse of 297s, Saturn V
stage 1 (LOX/RP-1) rockets were 304, and better higher altitude ISP too.
Designed for vacuum, so higher ISP, but I wouldn't say they're the most efficient since it entirely depends on where they are in stages, and longer nozzle rockets will beat it in ISP, but yeah it is pretty efficient.
RS25 was SL constrained with regards to nozzle just used hydrogen that cause d the isp to go highier.American rockets had way lighter structures than soviet ones and that more than made up the lack of SCC hydrocarbon boosters and US used sustainer cores anyway coupled with centaurs for insane high energy capability and now F9 just rolls over any other operational launch vehicle
No, I guess it's over. One thing, though. Can you show me Russia or China's scramjet engine? Just want to compare the superior design to America's, ya know?
>Here from 1968: A BGRV was launched on February 26, 1968, from Vandenberg Air Force Base by an Atlas F to the area of Wake Island in the Pacific, collecting data that proved valuable in developing later maneuvering reentry vehicles.
Link: https://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/B/BGRV.html
>HyFly Mach 6 Scramjet Missile Test
Link: https://thefutureofthings.com/5667-hyfly-mach-6-scramjet-missile-test/
>HIFIRE/HyCAUSE Scramjet Mach-8+ success with Australia/USA collaboration 2017
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKipc5LpCU
>Advancing Hypersonics –Aerojet Rocketdyne’s Scramjet Engine Makes Hypersonics History
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJyBf8x83Q
>Hypersonic missile successfully hits Ronald Reagan
MACH8 Link: https://www.theregister.com/Print/2011/11/18/hypersonic_weapon_pacific_test/
>In November 2011, AHW was launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility in Kauai, Hawaii, to the Reagan Test Site on the Marshall Islands. The glide vehicle successfully hit the target, which is located about 3,700km away from the launch site.
Link: https://www.army-technology.com/projects/advanced-hypersonic-weapon-ahw/
>Department of Defense Tests Hypersonic Glide Body March 2020
Link: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2119458/department-of-defense-tests-hypersonic-glide-body/
Short vid in this link: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35369/army-shows-first-ever-footage-of-new-hypersonic-missile-in-flight-and-impacting
HVGs:
>X-43A
>HTV-2
>X-51
China doesn't show their tests to the world. In fact, one of the problems of finding out China's capability is that China doesn't subscribe to the "open transparency" doctrine that US follows. So all we get is second party reports and third party reports. There's also the factor of language barrier as well. What we can gleamed is what the Pentagon tells us. Whether or not Petagon is actually stating the truth of if its lying to get more money, is up for debate.
https://www.popsci.com/chinese-hypersonic-engine-wins-award-reshapes-speed-race/
Well I've learned a lot from this website so I'm gonna say it prolly has something to do with trannies.
im belieeeeeeeving
with the amount of absolute shit talked about the F-35, why would anyone believe the media about anything even remotely classified
Because they believe literally anything anyone tells them. Because they're stupid from breathing lead fumes, and sucking on cheap lead covered chink toys.
We're talking about the people who rock bumper stickers like "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Because they decided to go hypersonic 2 months ago. It took Russia 60 years to finally get a couple of "working" prototypes.
Russia fired working prototypes? Would like to see the specs & details on those. They must be quite fearsome. Wunderwaffen even.
they fired the Kinzhal (air-launched Iskander, about as "hypersonic" as literally any air-launched ballistic missile) at some Ukrainian farm
Because the USA has different weapons testing standards to Russia and China. Its the same story as when that one moron shat on the F35 on RT and 50 other news websites cited it because mainstream media is worthless. All we know about these missile tests are the shit that isn't classified, aka, next to fricking NOTHING. Stop taking news articles at face value
Shut up lazerpig
The Scottish Pig triggers morons
Lazerpig Unironically fricks. At least he isn’t a furry like spookston
Lazerpig would never post here, this site is too hateful toward gay people and also everyone here is a drooling moron
Quads
Impressive
And with this, the modern Roman Empire begins crumbling into dust, paving the way for younger, more enlightened nations to take the throne
Space rockets break sound easily. It's time for space x to get some govt contracts for missiles.
Because we're busy making stealth cruise missiles.
GIVE US MORE MONEY
It's complex fluid dynamics stuff. The fluid being air moving at sanic fast speeds. Very unpredictable
Every nation has to test and test and test again
>comparing air breathing hypersonics with very public tests to russian and chink solid fuel claims with no evidence
surely this isn't MIC lobbying for more shekels?
isn't this test about a boost-glide program (Conventional Prompt Strike), not HAWC?
weird how ARRW seems to be doing fine
also, how is the Army's LRHW doing?
American hypersonics are designed to actually hit their targets, rather than just dropping a nuke two kilometres away from them. So they tend to be a wee bit more complicated. Plus they actually admit when they frick up.
Hypersonic missiles need to be able to maneuver, evade countermeasures, have stealth capability, and be extremely accurate, otherwise there is no advantage vs a traditional ballistic missile (which already travels at hypersonic speed). This is why the US is trying to build some kind of stealthy scramjet vehicle that we probably won't see for another 20 years.
Chink and vatBlack person "hypersonics" are literally just solid rocket motors strapped to a delta wing and have no value outside propaganda
But it goes fast and has 'hyper' in the name
>stealth capability
correct me if im wrong but can you really be stealthy with a surface temp in the thousands of degrees?
Angles
Reposting this thread after you disappeared back to the iphone factory in the last one, Chang?
Russia only use hypersonics so they can miss their targets faster
Probably because there's a certain quality standard they have for theirs that other countries don't try to meet.
>USA makes a test
>It ends up in failure
>USA makes new designs based on the gained data and then tries again
>Russia makes a test
>It ends up in failure, but that cannot be accepted so they lie about it
>Russia then tries to produce said design and ends up killing themselves with it
>USA starts tech development
>10 years later
>USA makes a test
>It ends up in failure
>USA makes new designs based on the gained data and then tries again
>2 years later
>another test
>success happens
>USA makes new design based on gained data
>2 years later
>successful test
>5 years later
>production happens
Must be an impressive system if they've been able to maintain technological superiority in all other fields up to today for the last 40 years.
We pushed the F-117 out in almost record speed when the government sat a bunch of lockheed, boeing, northrop and grumman execs in a room and basically said "we need this ASAP so get it working yesterday and we'll pay whatever the cost is." The engies had to measure it with slide rulers.
Different era. Also remember that Lockheed was not actually part of the stealth program at early stages. The took a gamble on the hopeless diamond. They earned a spot with a better design. Also these were the same engineers that designed the blackbird only 20 years prior.
Inertia carries forward a bit. Stagnation/corruption/beurocracy/pork bellying wont. The limit is reaching in multiple fronts now. We're living in a multipolar world
Only in your dreams you disgusting maggot b***h insect
Armatard is the the champion of sucking donkey dicks.
all the Nazi scientists are retired or dead and there's no more allies to steal tech from.
the projector used here is so strong you could watch a movie on the surface of the moon
ESL?
if I were a state-level entity, I'd want my capabilities to be underestimated by the enemy, and I guess that encompasses the public at large, huh.
Lack of conscripts getting buttfricked by Chechens.
if you have to ask.
This thread dies and gets immediately reposted. It's at page 8 now, wait for the inevitable bump.
Yeah, mutts are moronic, and k gonna kope.
Because their weapon progams are only worth shit on paper to make money and justify tax transfers, their are not designed to work in reality, see Ukraine
US can't really into anything anymore. All the styrofoam memes they've sent to Ukraine are shit, like we have two videos with confirmed kills out of half a million pieces sent, manpads never hit anything.
Why would hypersonic be any different?
US just technologically started lagging, just compare the video from US "military grade" drone and chink consumer drone. It's like there's 20 years technological gap already.
Do US nukes even work? Who fricking knows. Maybe those are styrofoam too.
Diversity hires
This is the kind of moronic journalism that ends up making normies believe shit like the Pentagon Wars.
Would you look at that, this time OP posted his thread with a more ambigious headline so he wouldn't accidently reveal that the test resulted in an in flight failure, not a deployment failure, which means that the deployment issues have been successfully resolved and the missile has progressed another stage in its development program.
I for one sure wouldn't want to be a nation who had invested huge amounts of scientific resources and capital into developing manoeuvrable boost-glide vehicles right about now.
Private US company is about to send 100t to LEO and this micopeen chink (or vatnik) is gonna go around pretending he evolved past 1950's tech?
A magicians greatest trick is misdirection. It's all so easy because we are all some seriously dumb motherfrickers.
Of course we don't have hypersonic missiles. Just like our space programs didn't produce weapons.
Like I said, we are all dumb motherfrickers.
If that was real situation nato would be winning war in Ukraine by now.
You seriously think they want Ukraine to win? Are you fricking moronic? Ukraine is a fricking goldmine. Pushing Russia out would be the worst thing right now.
yeah, I guess you're right, permanent never ending conflict is US goal there. This will go on for years and help will be fine tuned so no side can make decisive win.
You really don't understand. The United States government does not care about Ukrainians dying. Not one bit. They will keep it going into perpetual motion as all the alphabet departments clap their hands together with glee on what they have in front of them. This is a proxy war son. You need to read up on history.
If you fell into the psyop and actually care Ukraine, well they did a good job.
Well I'm with you on that one.
>patented in the 60s, designed in the 40s
They're not special, and Ivan probable filched them ages ago.
>Uh.. gaiz? We have a problem?
>Whats the problem
>We forgot how to make HS Missiles
>What do you mean, we forgot?
>Like, nobody here remembers how to make them
>So what? Dig up the files
>We can't find them
>Can't find the files?
>Negative sir, we umm, had them shredded. Remember last months budget meeting about how much it would cost to transfer all our hardcopies onto scanner?
>Gentleman, I'm going to need a moment
>To call the Pentagon?
>Screw the Pentagon, I'm Calling My Lawyer!
sienfield-theme.jpg
>Israli Shiek hands Jerry an envelope of cash
>"Thank you jerry, you are a great friend to Israel"
>Hops in white limo, Biden Hands Him bag of cash with money sign on it
>Pulls away while rock the casbah starts playing
Sorry. I now process everything through family guy cut-away-gag memes. All future political discourse will have to open with a 10 minute dead air video about some guy skinning his knee.
Again Chang?
That's a different platform. The LRHW is on track to be fielded. Scramjets test are fine.
>other HS's
>30% accuracy
>30% dud rate
>no proof of pudding of what they claim to do
>american HS trials
>bleeding edge of fuel, aerodynamics and sensor technology rolled into one
>anything shy of 95% accuracy and sub 5% dud rate considered not good enough
>we showcase testing the very real thing that will deliver on what its said to do publicly
This is the same as it's always been, our 'enemies' claim to have something, we jump the fricking gun to outclass it entirely, the 'enemy' never had it to begin with and we're left with advanced tech that is very impressive but ope turns out we didnt really need it for our doctrine
Rinse and repeat.
Literally did it in the 1950s.