Why the swing fire lost out to the TOW missile everywhere outside of British service. they designed it to turn a corner as to not leave a trail of smoke back to the firing team, but as smokeless rocket fuel became the standard the finicky swing fire was all but sidelined every but the third world
Expense and Reliability are the 2 usual suspects why weapon systems that look better on paper lose out.
In this case, Swingfire had the issue of being MCLOS until 1980, while TOW was SACLOS from the start. Having the user make the "swing" probably caused a lot of new operators to swing the missile right into the dirt, or be very careful and thus create an extremely large dead-zone while they gain control over the missile. Whereas the dead-zone for TOW was 200 meters, less than 1 second of travel.
What is it with British procurement and consistently fielding inferior contemporaries of off the shelf products
>muh british gear bad
Thanks for your insight warriortard, but this is a thread for adults so kindly fuck off back to your fart porn.
This won’t help shield discussion about British weaponry. TOW and swing fire were direct competitors and talking about why the TOW won out is ok
TOW and Swingfire weren't originally direct competitors, they were designed in tandem to be complimentary using two different operational concepts. TOW's range and power increased during development to be comparable to Swingfire so the US didn't see a need to adopt Swingfire while from the outset the UK designed Swingfire to be used from concealed positions at long range and found TOW's operation incompatible with those parameters.
They were direct competitors and almost everyone chose TOW. The British have been known to adopt inferior domestic products out of a sense of pride.
All the good British designs aren’t British
The nuclear bomb was a quintessentially British design, tube alloys
The first nuclear bomb should have landed on Germany in 1944
And we would have made them thank us for it like we did with Dresden
He right tho
Competence is illegal here
Me mate darren got arrested fer openin a bag of crippies in a way that might offend a muslim bloke but there was no police coz of cutbacks so e had to just go home
Huffing all those farts and burps isn't very healthy for you. It sure explains a lot about your posts, though. PSA to everyone else: warriorfart is a brapfag and a simp. https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://twitter.com/Burp00589615*
Overall I rate this thread BRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP/10
What is this new cope that’s been popping up
Warriortard's desperate attempts to play it cool and deflect away from his embarrassing fetish? I think it's pretty self-explanatory, really.
Wait what? Link the fart fetish thing
I linked to his account and the post where he doxed himself. But here's some links that should cover the initial period where we discovered the truth about Warriorfart. Sorry in advance for making you have to wade through his screeching.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/59324869/#q59324987
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/59325844/#q59325910
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/59327462
>Verification not required
Just post the screenshots or link to the brap post. I’m not reading through 3 threads I actually don’t care that much
Sadly, most of the anons reading his Twitter didn't think to take screencaps before he panicked and made it private, but here's some of the highlights as transcribed by one enterprising PrepHoleommando.
I looked this up on Twitter and can’t find it. I don’t believe your transcription. I’m sorry that you don’t like when people talk about British weaponry but the lengths you’ve gone to to false flag like this is a sign of mental illness. Do you have any comments on the swing fire missile?
Don’t bother this dude worked hard on those fake tweets. Let him sperg and just ignore his posts. He shows up in any thread discussing weapons from the UK
Anon, you do know that if someone's twitter is protected you can only see it if you're a follower, right? The Wayback Machine link I posted above is the only way to bypass it that I know of. The circumstances of the account suddenly locking down are pretty strange too.
>Warriortard links to the account in one of his posts (see the screenshot here
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Huffing all those farts and burps isn't very healthy for you. It sure explains a lot about your posts, though. PSA to everyone else: warriorfart is a brapfag and a simp. https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://twitter.com/Burp00589615*
Overall I rate this thread BRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP/10 )
>People make the connection thanks to the very similar posting style etc.
>Mysteriously, this obscure account hurriedly goes private shortly after PrepHole starts mocking it
PS >verification not required
This is all based on your word. Alternatively you made and account and then locked it to help you detail threads.
"If we dox warriortard and attack him as a person then people will forget that all british military equipment is monumental dogshit", or something like that.
You ever heard of the Dragon? Dragon made the Swingfire look sane.
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
It was just a poorly designed missile
The British had some weird taboo against direct fire rockets at the time. Once the US developed smokeless rocket motors the rest of the world got on board
They didn’t want their atgms to leave a straight line back to the launcher. Good initiative but bad execution. Inventing a new propellant that doesn’t leave a trail turned out to be the better idea
To be fair that was a problem at the time. Sadly the swingfire was relegated for third world use almost immediately
Swingfire could be fired from a remote firing position with a vehicle under cover.
Helicopters with masts rely on hiding just out of sight.
It could if everything went right. It was notoriously unreliable
Btw this is his wiki account.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Loafiewa
...Warriorfart wouldn't be that obsessed, would he?
>he's literally fucking using the Starstreak operators map from Wikipedia as his Twitter avatar for some reason
For comparison, a direct link to both images:
https://nitter.net/pic/pbs.twimg.com%2Fprofile_images%2F1694095701133623296%2FHRYKAFGq.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Starstreak_operators.png
False flag confirmed
This anon made the Twitter and locked it. No chance any sane human being knows the starstreak operators map by memory.
>No chance any sane human being knows the starstreak operators map by memory.
You're right. I used the powerful secret techniques known as "idly comparing two images" and "noticing similarities". You should try it some time.
You slipped up. What are you going to change it to next
Riddle me this: why would it make more sense for there to be a retarded multiyear conspiracy on a Guyanese trampoline enthusiast forum against fucking Warriortard for some reason, instead of Warriorfart simply fucking up and revealing his brap fetish like many cocky morons before him? You must surely also have some ironclad logic that explains why an account to target him would be set up long before he ever blighted PrepHole.
>convert random burner account to help in false flag posts
>muddy the waters by offering no tangible proof other than anons talking about it
I guess you really don’t have anything concrete except desperate screeching to distract from your shameful fetish. Oh well.
Proof? Surely you have a single screenshot
Not how it works. You’re the one claiming it’s a conspiracy or a burner account, now actually argue for once in your forsaken life.
You’re claiming proof of a fart fetish retard. Show me proof beyond linking 3 threads where one guy samefags about seeing tweets but conveniently didn’t take screenshots.
This thread and previous ones have all provided infinitely more evidence (images, text dumps, archived posts, patterns of behavior) than this snivelling about a burner account prepped years in advance and shrieks about fabrication without a shred of proof. You can at least do better than that. And in what universe is your inexplicable paranoia the simpler and more elegant explanation instead of Warriorfart fucking up, then panicking? Now actually provide solid, concrete evidence for your claim - not a wild accusation, not a sourceless assertion, not an attempt to poison the well, but proof. Any more of your irrelevant hooting, desperate reaching, or attempts to shift the burden of proof will be ignored and dismissed as they deserve.
For some reason the bongs seem to cause unlimited seething simply by existing. My pet theory is
- maybe they were a Warrior crewman?
Sorry to the other anon talking about War Thunder for accidentally dragging him into my post, I meant to quote this
instead.
It’s absolutely garbage in war Thunder
I mean, didn't slavshit overperformed in that game now that monke models are out of question?
Javelin does the same thing better
have a nice day warriorfag, maybe Elon will notice you and your deviant behaviour then.
>why the [noun] [past-tense verb]
Poojeet post.
Reading about all the crazy british anti tank missile projects with batshit crazy ideas like turning the missile manually or firing them from a launch vehicle out of line of sight then having a gunner guide it makes you wonder how scared they were of anti tank crews being shot back at that they neglected to make the missiles actually easy to use.
They seem to always prioritize the weirdest things at the expense of usually ending up with a subpar design
This warriorfart truly has a hatefart for UK, I wonder what happened to make someone so mad about a country weapon systems.
A bong shagged his mom.
So how exactly does this fart bullshit relate to the warrior not having a stabilized gun and being fed by clips? Warriortard could have a adult baby diaper fetish and Britain would still be a consistent failure in industrial design.
You have an adult baby diaper fetish?
Because warriortard is now a joke he doxed and humiliated himself.
It doesn’t. The fart shit was invented so they had something new to talk about
And do you have concrete evidence for such a claim? Or is this just more of your frantic attempts to poison the well and defend Warriorfart’s e-honor for some reason? You certainly seem weirdly invested in making sure people don’t mock him.
I just don’t believe anything that I don’t see for myself. A link to a thread of some guy talking about it isn’t going s
You certainly seem weirdly invested in making sure people don’t talk about inferior British military products, of which the swingfire is a definitive example of
No evidence, I see, just “n-no u”. I shouldn’t be surprised, but I am disappointed.
>Missile first produced in 1966 doesn’t perform as well as a missile first produced in 1972
Wow, what other dazzling insights do you have for us? You are truly an intellect without peer.
Swingfire was based. Super survivable and well ahead of its time. Like a lot of cold war systems it's a shame we never got to see it in peer to peer warfare. TOW and MILAN never offered enough to replace it, only Javelin did after 40 odd years.
Swingfire wasn’t based at all. No one of not adopted it and it only saw limited use in a single war. That’s terrible for an ATGM.
Go watch some fart porn you disgusting deviant, literally worse than a chud.
kek you’re upset that people don’t think the swingfire (never fired in combat) was based
We think you're a deranged mutt you simpleton.
>we
Tragic case
It was used in 1991 and 2003 retard. Looks like all that fart porn has rotted your brain.
May I see a documented use? I’m not just going to take your word for it.
>https://archive.org/details/OperationsInIraqLessonsForTheFutureByTheBritishMinistryOfDefence
>5.6 The Swingfire anti-tank guided weapon system, which is fitted to some UK reconnaissance vehicles, was also of great utility during the combat phase. It was the longest-range, integral weapon system available to reconnaissance units and was used in approximately half of their attacks despite representing only a quarter of their main weaponry.
You can't keep losing warriorfart
Still no instances of one being fired in combat. Not a single missile
No mention of swingfire being used in combat
67 minute read. Think tank discussing the war In Ukraine. Why are you so bad at this?
Lmao he didn't read the caption. You just can't stop the L's. Fucking fart huffers man. Degenerate.
I love seeing warriortard get owned so clearly.
This must be triggering for you.
>https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2023/02/mounted-close-combat-overwatch-mcco/
It went to a conflict =/= it was used in a conflict
kek anon can’t find a single documented use of swingfire in combat.
Triggered. Still waiting on proof
>The Swingfire missile utilizes the K33 warhead, a 7 kg shaped charge munition rated to penetrate 800 mm of RHA steel equivalent. An impact fuse with a crush switch is used to detonate the warhead. As this warhead lacks a precursor charge, its utility against armored vehicles protected by reactive armor is questionable.
damn. It really was outclassed by even the Milan
MILAN only had a sub-3 kg single charge warhead until the late 1980s
Brits were reluctant to adopt MILAN instead of Swingfire variants until 1974 because warhead was significantly less capable than Swingfire
also it was fr*Nch trash
Cope
Swingfire has twice the range and twice the warhead. One is a vehicle mounted weapon system the other is for dismounted infantry primarily (it was mounted to some vehicles afterwards).
They aren't comparable weapons, they served together in the British army. TOW was even larger and heavier with a longer range still so was attached to helicopters.
Best of all worlds.
>The Swingfire was deployed into several conflicts, including the Persian Gulf War and the Invasion of Iraq. Though as luck would have it, none were ever launched in combat
How quintessentially british
There we have it. Completely untested in combat
Primarily because it had a protracted development and Swingfire wasn't initially designed to be man-portable or heli-launchable.
Projects to make it such (Beeswing and Hawkswing) were being superseded by SACLOS systems before development finished and funds went to making existing Swingfire systems more reliable and upgrading it to SACLOS, rather than continuing to develop variants for light roles in parallel.
Britain themselves opted for the cheaper solution of buying MILAN (man portable) and TOW (air launchable) for these roles respectively.
>The current operators of the Swingfire as of late 2015 include Egypt, Kenya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Sudan
This speaks volumes
he needs this to be true. I’m
Who cares they cucked and bought the javelin anyway.
Relevant video
https://youtube.com/shorts/55oocK8yows?si=gT77DRkBb4pS6eU1
2.5k views already wow
You just can't catch a break can you? Brits own you.
It wasn’t fired in iraq
>he still hasn't read the caption
LMAO
MAO
AO
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He's genuinely braindead. In the harrier thread he's now claiming the Falklands war wasn't actually a war and nobody considers it one.
>and was used in approximately half of their attacks despite representing only a quarter of their main weaponry.
>British self reporting
Holy shit he’s serious
You can explain why photographic evidence no longer counts, hm? What will it be this time - unsubstantiated claims of it being staged?
Unsurprising. The guy is so obsessed that you could give him multiple verified eyewitness accounts from reliable sources on anything to do with the bongs and he’d still try to find a way to claim it doesn’t count. Needless to say it results in him adopting absolutely retarded positions in his desperation to avoid admitting he’s wrong.
>yet another warriortard thread
Anyone know why he has such a hate boner for British kit?
Swingfire has never been considered good.
Hey quit bullying nigel. He’s just getting off a 3 day ban
>obliterate 880,000 Muslim babies
>hit public housing that contains 80 Muslim women and children
Based. Do it again, bomber Johnnie. Don't let any get away.
Warriorturd, what happened to all the people you followed? Why did you delete them all
Warriorfart are you one of those brap degenerates that have the fetish without actually partaking in it?
Farts are genuinely awful.