Why the hell are all modern rifles just a slightly modified AR-15?

I just want to see innovation, but the past few U.S military service rifles have all been basically the same thing

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    by innovation i assume you mean fun and exotic looking guns. you're just mad everything uses AR ergos.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Bullpup pill time

      AR is 60 years old. He means innovation gramps.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Way to not define innovation you ignorant dipshit

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is the OP who google image searches "AR-15" and picks from the first results for spam threads.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: OP thinks things he can't afford don't exist

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >no gunz homosexual still not accepting AR supremacy

    Why do you even care what the military uses.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >are all modern rifles
    >but the past few U.S military service rifles
    do you know what an AR18 is, OP? look outside of the US. The ar15 is popular in the US because its popular. popular products are self-reenforcing when they become standards.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >also a Stoner design
      Keep winning, Eugene-Chads.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Small arms are just effectively at a dead end. You might see improvements in material and production, but most of your meaningful advancement lies elsewhere. Optics with integrated electronics. Polymer/caseless ammunition. Stuff like that. End of the day, infantry weapons just aren't really the best place to focus R&D on. The weapons we have now are proven and work well for their intended purpose. You're not gonna see a 200% increase in lethality just because you equipped a bunch of grunts with laser-guided, gyro-stabilized G11A1s in 6.66mm HE sabot duplex rounds. Small arms design hit a plateau years ago.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The similarity comes from accepting the same magazine, which is good, and offering a familiar set of controls, which isn't bad. Modularity with rails and accessories is also a good thing.
    However, many rifles are mechanically very distant from AR's. I would argue something like the Bren2 for example is superior from a mechanical stand point and some ways more AK like.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    nah we got way more variety than that:
    >AR platform rifles
    >AR-18s dressed up as ARs
    >AKs dressed up as ARs
    they're just good ergonomics

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Slapping rails on every portion of a rifle is not good ergonomics. It's a gun not a bloody train

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The AR-15 isn't defined by its rails. Every western military seems to have wanted their own whacky intermediate rifle in the 80s, but that time is gone. Until the next small-arms revolution, it only makes sense that everyone converges to the correct design. Every intermediate rifle looks dumb (especially the scar) compared to the sleek, sexy, utilitarian AR.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are you an ak gay or a bull pup gay?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the og ar15 didn't even come with a single rail my man. they make rails without picatinny if you haven't heard

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's just a good, solid rifle.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Guns are a solved medium. If you think like a government that has to outfit thousands of expendable troops you will understand why there is no innovation. It's cheap and simple.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Winners win and losers lose, simple as that.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The infantry rifle is a mature technology. They likely won’t change in any substantial way anytime soon. More like iterative refinements, but it’s still gonna be either AR15 or extremely similar.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because the logistics are already there. why should a new upstart company take a massive risk in developing a new rifle, instead of just pumping out "ar15 #5468975324984527"?

    the only non-contracted company I can think of that has tried to innovate in the past 20 years is PSA. Their JAKL is really cool and is long stroke instead of short stroke like the major fad is now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In the case of the JAKL, is that something that’s really difficult or expensive to develop? I get getting it to production and figuring out tolerances etc, but there is no invention there. All the inner workings and what parts go where is preexisting knowledge. So without any new inventions, is it really that much of a hassle to design something new?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Getting things to actual production is the hardest part.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Same reason everything eventually evolves into crabs, it's the most efficient form

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gun became non-proprietary and innovation exploded

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rifle work good

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There should be one that shoots koom br0Wnies. You guys would line up to take one in the arse.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It just werks
    Next should be bullpups to shorten the overall length

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everything evolve into crab

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just like how bolt action rifles all began looking the same at a certain point, it just works.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's because the 5.56 service rifle is figured out, as other anons said, it's a mature technology. The next big thing will be other calibers, ammo technology or stuff you can slap on it.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gonna need something new to happen like when smokeless powder happened.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because there are only a handful of major defense companies left compared to even 30 years ago
    >No competition = No innovation

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When you reach the point where something performs a function well, cheaply, reliably, is easy to manufacture and is lightweight ... you are essentially sacrificing some aspect of that "perfect" design just to be different or new. Look at every failed new semi-auto rifle design of the past 50 years. I guarantee they have one flaw. They are bulkier, heavier, less reliable or super expensive to make and to buy. Innovation doesn't mean better. There's a reason the AR-15 and the AK variants dominate.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because its the only action you can drop in a bog and expect to fire, assuming it is closed at the time. If there is one thing these youtube homosexuals have done right in the last decade it is actually testing what happens when you drop a gun in mud or blast sand at it. Fuds would constantly talk shit for decades but never get their precious little babies dirty to test it.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Visible innovation is unlikely until something necessitates it. More powerful ammo and a long recoil system to tame it could change the fundamental appearance and function of the gun. Frankly that is most likely. Some polymer ammo to mitigate heat transfer to the action, power powerful ammo either in the form of higher velocity or a return to .30 cal, and a Knights Armament style long recoil system to make that not only manageable but from what I've seen totally controllable on full auto. Maybe include quick change barrel.

    Mechanical assistance for walking and carrying would make this a doctrinally desirable change since then you could carry enough ammo to really lay down some lead while not turning your spine to powder. Essentially making riflemen into light machine gunners and then have grenadiers with them to handle all the other weapons. Carbines and intermediate rifles are here to stay for indoor fighting though, they are just better for it these days. If anything is likely to vanish it is sub machine guns, but only from the military as the police are likely to keep them.

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