Why the frick did Russia not modernize their fricking service rifle yet?

Why the frick did Russia not modernize their fricking service rifle yet?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You need a real answer? No money. When you spend a ton of money of shit and steal half of the rest, you don't have enough for real mass changes.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This

      There are short-stroke ARs

      Might as well just say it's an AK at that point then. It's OK to be moronic on accident, but it's not OK to stay moronic on purpose.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bro, they literally did

    >inb4 It's just prettied up ak slop

    NGSW is literally an AR prettied up, let's be real here. Weapons design peaked 50 years ago and never got better

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Weapons design peaked 50 years ago and never got better
      LSAT would have been a paradigm shift but the army decided to go full moron and list out a bunch of stupid requirements. Then they selected Sig's design because it was the only one that didn't attempt to meet their shit requirements.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >sig spear is just an AR bro trust me i dont know what the frick im talking about.
      Black person what the frick

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        AR lower, fancy AR upper, The Fricking forward assist
        Yeah bro it's totally not a AR

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not an AR lower or upper no buffer tube, no DI system if you are gonna pretend to be smart at least pull your head out of your fricking loose butthole.
          >lol but it looks the same hurr durr
          you are actually frickin rarted if you think having a similar form factor and ergonomics is the rifles being synonymous then frick your dumb.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are short-stroke ARs

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              no you dumb frick knuckle an ar18 is not an ar15 just like whatever gay shit the military is working on isnt an ar15
              >ive built more guns than any of you have shot. just shut the frick up

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Some AR-15s are SS.
                >I've built
                I don't care

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                by the very definition of the thing no it isn't an ar15 but keep talking.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Way to show you're a no guns homosexual, seriously all you summer /k/iddies need to go back to summer school

                >buh buh buh my unique sig slop is hecking different

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                digganob im the anon who posted the frickin AK kits that I built. its not a debate you are just stupid. If i have a mustang and i gut it and completely replace it is it still a mustang?
                >no it isnt.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't reply to wojak avatar posters.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they got me. damnit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/RQ4ol73.jpeg

                they got me. damnit.

                Crazy how easy it is to reveal who's a newbie shill, all you wannabe gun owner pajeets need to get off my board. /k/ has always been a palce where moronic Black folk like you are gatekept so us really defenders of the 2A can jerk off about our hobby.

                Also putting a parts kit together isn't building a gun, you're nothing more then a said cuck who puts his legos together and cheers like he accomplished something

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                mien negger im literally white and I get paid to build guns you are just mad you have zero comprehension on the difference between the design of a firearm and what makes it function.
                >Black folk tounge my anus

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >not an AR lower or upper no buffer tube, no DI system
            look at this pedantic idiot when everyone else understands
            put your thumb up your ass and find where your brain went

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >high pressure ammo
      >poly cases
      >flow-through suppressors
      That's 3 things and I'm not even a gun guy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They wanted to do this multiple times but never did. AN-94 and AEK-971 were "too complex" and too expensive. AK-12 was supposed to be a redesigned AK from scratch, but they figure out that they wouldn't be able to afford it kek, so slapped some plastic on AK-74 and called it a day.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Seriously the an-94 was such a pretty rifle imo. Is there any damn hope of that project being revived?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Is there any damn hope of that project being revived?
          No

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Only if Mike copies the dimensions of every AN-94 part and finds a western firearms company actually willing to take the risk of producing copies. Because it won't sell enough to be profitable

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      With such amazing modernizations as "a worse trigger pull" and "more difficult to clean gas tube". They couldn't even find money in the budget post-embezzlement to give it a real safety rather than a 1905-ass piece of sheet metal. They even cut the bolt hold open from the prototype. That's not even taking into account shit like hyperburst and balanced recoil features that never left paper. I guess at least there's an optics mount for the optics that got sold off somewhere before reaching soldiers.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Moeshit Guns

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Bro, they literally did
      >>inb4 It's just prettied up ak slop
      The AK-12 program was fricking shitcanned in favor of the AK-200/400 program because Russia realized that actually manufacturing rifles under new, modern standards was a crippling expenditure for them. Assuming that picture is yours, which it isn't, you are holding an AK-74M with slightly more "modern" furniture and a redesigned gas block you stupid frick

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the M7 has a different operation system than the AR. It has some special new barrel to withstand the pressures up to 10k rounds or whatever it was. It's only 13 inches or so. Entirely new round with a BC of .600 and bimetallic case. And then there's the computerized scope with a ballistic computer in it that lets you mark targets and shit. People love to shit on it, but it's a pretty space age gun. Saying it's a fancy AR is like saying the SVD is a fancy AK. Though that's probably something a moron like you would say

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It has some special new barrel to withstand the pressures up to 10k rounds
        No it doesn't it literally is just a regular barrel. If anything somewhat thin. That's why they bought that downloaded training ammo to go along with it. With the full power loads they're gonna have like a 5k round lifespan.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The fricking AK12 is to the AK74 as the T90 is to the T72. A glorified model kit that's arguably worse

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bro, they literally did
      They did, until they didn't

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        RIP my beloved

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russian with an optic
        Is this the power of photoshop

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A tank is a tank.
    A rifle is a rifle.
    An ass is an ass.

    They didn't need any upgrades anyway, this is a meat war not a special military operation.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because is already good enough to push ukries and nafos out of donbas. Fact

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Broke and corrupt. The AK12 was supposed to be it. But what they got wasn't what they adopted. If Russia wasn't corrupt they would have done a sopmod style modernization of the AK74.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That scope mount he is using is horrible

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Behold. An actual moderneized rifle by a not mafia state.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >by a not mafia state.
      instead by a banker state

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's a contractor with a bubbafrick converted civilian vepr

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >vepr
      Based on the what totally non vepr front trunnion?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Holy frick you're dumb

      That's an AK-104 you fricking tard. How can you be this new?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "Modernization" means ruining perfectly good, robust designs. I bet you like modern plastic clad cars too lmao.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They are dramatically safer tho

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It would be a giant waste of money at this point. They could all have AKs74n's and be just as functional. Why make it easier to add attachments if they can't even afford to issue attachments? Not to mention small arms have little impact on the overall course of a battle. They should figure out getting air superiority and how to keep their oil and gas infrastructure from being BTFO by long range weapons/the world's slowest drones.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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    Argument lost

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        >people find you insufferable
        >HEEEEEELP NOOOOOO THEYRE CANCELLING ME FOR BEING RACIST THEY CALLED ME A RACIST THEYRE COMING FOR ME THEYRE SUMMERgayS

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    muh ar-15 1lb lighter
    you can stick moar sheeit onnit easier
    more accurate for 1/1000 who shoot well enough for it to matter

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They tried in the late 80s and early 90s but switching over to the AN-94 was too expensive. Everything in the Russian military relies on interchangeable AK parts unfortunately, a new gun for everyone would never work unless they took it seriously, which is impossible when your country has just collapsed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Weird how china was able to switch their huge army over to more modern service rifles. Not saying the plastic famas is much better, but it kind of implies to me russia can't really make anything that doesn't use legacy soviet technology in any numbers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Weird how china was able to switch their huge army over to more modern service rifles
        The Chinese government at least isn't incompetent when it comes to weapons procurement, especially when they have infinite money and complete control over all industries
        >russia can't really make anything that doesn't use legacy soviet technology in any numbers
        Unfortunately for them, while during the Soviet era they bankrolled absolutely everything from top to bottom for weapons in all of its states and allies it only came back to bite them in the ass once the backing of an all-powerful government disappeared. They have to rely on old tooling and hardware because post-Soviet Union they just cannot afford it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair they could absolutely modernize an ak to have like 50-70% parts compatibility just like any hillbilly PSA AR has parts compatibility with an m4a1

        I think the actual problem is the Russian government realizes the long-stroke, open-top design of the AK isn't accurate enough anymore to compete with the accuracy of enemy rifles but is too proud of their AK to overhaul the system too much.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia is poor, corrupt, and incompetent. In comparison China is only corrupt and incompetent.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair they could absolutely modernize an ak to have like 50-70% parts compatibility just like any hillbilly PSA AR has parts compatibility with an m4a1

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it works.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I built these. I understand guns far more than you do. please suck a beefy cum from my wiener.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      French?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Romanian and Bulgarian kits.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rifle is fine. It has held the top spot for body count for decades.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11714558/AK-47-Kalashnikov-The-firearm-which-has-killed-more-people-than-any-other.html

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Only because there are so many of them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is that's not fricking true.
      If you mean the entire AK family, then maybe, but the AK-47 hasn't killed even half as many people as the AKM or the AK-74 have.
      Ignorant fricking clickbait.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Shut up gay, this is you rn.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not an argument.
          YWNBAW

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They did. The army hated it so much they switched back to the 74m
    tbh the concept of the ak12 is great. Execution? Not so much

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What do you mean by modernize?

    Because they basically have. 5.45 over 7.62x39, new rifles can all accept optics and laser aiming modules. What isn't modern about it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      digital bullets.

      you don't understand that unless you're spending millions to fire the exact same bullets with no measurable increase in lethality then you're behind the times. those scopes aren't becoming slightly more efficient by themselves you know. mounting the same optic in a different way is the way of the future. the new paradigm in ammunition when we can't produce enough of the old ammunition doesn't happen unless you get out there and place contracts which are never followed through. don't you see that if i put a newer suppressor on my rifle then everything will change? especially in attritional artillery warfare.

      fricking vatnik.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why modernize when you can just embezzle all the funds for a new yacht.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Corruption

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All it needs is an optic and it’s modernized.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The AN-94 was the last chance at leaving behind the shitty AK platform behind but it was clearly too complex for the Russian mind.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For what purpose? Small arms deal barely any impact in this war. Better to buy a bomb instead of eotech.
    Better to buy a million shells instead of small arms modernization.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why the frick did Russia not modernize their fricking service rifle yet?
    Because contrary to what optics manufacturers and the tacticool flat range ninjas will tell you, bolting on a rail and mounting a red-dot on it doesn't turn Stacy the soccer mom into high speed low drag SPEC-ops specialist

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      An optic seems like a pretty bare bones addition to any modern fighting rifle, but yeah I guess it doesn't matter if you'll be dead anyway.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks plenty modernized to me. Do you think you need a bunch of bullshit plastic for actual warfare? Larp vs reality.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Service rifles have never made a difference in any modern war

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    have you ever been to any manufacturing plant in eastern europe? if you want to see machines from ~80 years ago, old drunken bastards who do most of the work by hand and like smoking cigarettes indoors, go ahead and visit one.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if you want to see machines from ~80 years ago, old drunken bastards who do most of the work by hand and like smoking cigarettes indoors, go ahead and visit one.
      Sounds like a jolly good time honestly, will the let me do that in Bulgaria or Serbia if I ask really nicely?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You make that sound like a bad thing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this sarcasm? Russia produces all it's newer rifles with CNC now.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they are poor. It's the same reason most everything "new" Russia has made is just an upgrade kit for Soviet tech or some prototype that never goes into production.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Name exactly what isn't "modern" about the AK74M.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >doesn't give a parameter for what qualifies as a modernized service rifle
    Wdhmbt?

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does it matter?
    For the purpose of throwing down lead in line with Russian military doctrine, rifle really is fine.
    Russia has a lot of points of failure, but it’s not their small arms that are at issue.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they have no money. That's also why they never adopt or produce any real number of their new wunderwaffe, the economy died sometime in the 70s, shambled through the 80s before finally falling on its face in the 90s and hasn't really gotten back up since then beyond some minor twitching

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