Why the absolute FUCK is this not in Ukraine defending cities right now?

Why the absolute FUCK is this not in Ukraine defending cities right now?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >She's a big ol' bitch
    >Lots of shit from our naval defenses, shit's strategic.
    >Big brrrrrt means she needs all the fucking ammo. No way around it, it's a ton of shells per engagement, that's why it works.
    >UXO city, UXO UXO city. Four, five, hundred shells on your kiddies.
    >Missile better. Uncle Sam and the NATO gang are paying, why worry about it?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, the rounds self destruct.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't always work. Hence why Israel looked at them and said no.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        if that was reliable cluster munitions wouldn’t be banned

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Cluster munitions are banned because politicians are retarded. Bombsapsel 90 and refined SFWs had a sub-1% fail safe rate, and failed unsafe even less.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The drones are slow as shit though. I bet they wouldn’t have to expend much 20mm HE ammo when even AKs can hit them occasionally.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you were going for a lower shell-count per engagement, Gepard is unironically better. C-RAM goes for gonzo, the burst settings on most versions start at 100.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I mean it would do the fucking job lol. Really I could see a combination of these and manned 50 cals on roofs, they aren't going fast.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Getard is certainly the better weapon for Ukraine. Germany is too busy trying to find actual cannons to replace the telephone poles they currently have mounted on them to send any more though.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Eternally contentious Euros bickering over who has second place.
            I'm not going to get involved, but it is unironically better for Ukrainian purposes than CRAM, which has a whole lot of drag to it besides eating all the ammo to make it less desirable to the current Ukrainian needs.
            Maybe we'll get Ukrainian CRAM in 10 years when there's a NATO base there.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's the problem, they're old and only so many. The Swedes have a 40mm AA/ drone defense variant of the CV90, and there's the K30 Biko from the South Koreans, and M-Shorad from the US, but that's about all I can think of

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Poles just started producing these

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't know why it's on YouTube Kids but I support it lol. But yes that would bee effective if it can hit something that small, and 12.7x99mm is easily supplied, heck, producable in Ukraine. Easily shipped over too

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >radar based
              Great if you want to shoot a big line of rounds right behind the styrofoam Chadsneed 136
              Not so useful if you want to actually shoot it down

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                How tf do you assume that raghead? Is the Getard also supposed to be incapable of leading the aircraft that it was made to target?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly simple solutions just need to go for simple human operated guns using simple ammo like .50cal and toss them NVGs.
            Maybe some IR spotlights or flood lights.
            Easier to send a bunch of miniguns/50 cals and throw up some TDF on Bird watching duty instead of some high tech solution.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You could throw in something like a Giraffe Radar to alert the crews to when they'd be coming into range and where from. Honestly a combo of all these things, including a few C RAM on the outskirts of the cities, 50 cals and miniguns on rooftops, and some manpad teams would turn each city into a fortress

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You need an ungodly amount of ammo for dumb targeting solutions like that, ammo, weight, time to transport, space in transports, space to store it and, a big ass target as a result of it all. The art of seeing a speck and determining that is a drone at 20,000ft and not an eye floaty is rare and hard to find, even if you know about where it is using radar that is literally thousands of pounds of ammo for one drone and you need batteries of them and the .50 will not be effective or accurate for that role either in the first place because it'll go wide as fuck. An angry half an inch beam that blows out things to half a mile seems like a lot to you, a tiny human, but it's a tiny slice of a big sky. Your entire premise is based on an image of AA and drones that hasn't been relevant in 40 and 15 years respectively.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it's a ton of shells per engagement

      >because missile interceptors and power plants are cheap

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Uncle Sam and the NATO gang are paying, so why worry?
        Do you read?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah but they're SOOOOOOO cool
      surely the style factor counts for something?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I actually think it looks cooler on ships, the big white R2D2 dome clashes with the painted truck chassis in a way that looks gross to me.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    We should give C-RAM to Kyiv.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Who gives a fuck about Ukie cities?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dude they're fucking people. Even just strapping mini guns to shit would be better than innocents dying for nothing

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Holy shit you’re fucking retarded. If you actually cared about people living you’d be shilling for peace.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They're in a war bitch. Russia is currently bombing cities without care of what they hit. You're asking for capitulation. No.

            >radar based
            Great if you want to shoot a big line of rounds right behind the styrofoam Chadsneed 136
            Not so useful if you want to actually shoot it down

            The explosive is gonna have one hell of a signature, same with the engine, it'll hit it.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >it’ll hit it
              No it won’t

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes it will. How exactly is being made of Styrofoam supposed to hide it from radar anyways?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ok iranian shill. Considering machine guns are hitting these, I think a high powered radar will work fine.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                actually I worked on JSF program for 5 years of my life I just think the Iranians developed a great weapon

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not that fag but if you tripped up and spent the next four years feeding PrepHole real technical knowledge and kino till you got zapped out of your job by the Feds the way Oppenheimer did, maybe I'd consider actually believing this.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                you don’t intimidate me fed i’ve never posted anything that was not available to the public
                chadsneed

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                C'mon you know you hate your chud coworkers. Be an internet legend. Edumacate.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >shilling for peace
            There can be no peace while a single KGB or Stasi survivor draws breath.
            This was the truth in 1991, this is the truth now. The only reason there's a war in Europe right now is because the west hesitated after 1992.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Moderate opinion detected

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >shilling for peace
            Winning is a kind of peace.
            Compromise is just deferred bloodshed and victory for the aggressor.

            Someone once said: In the end, winning is the only safety

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's for boats tho

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      nuh uh

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        pure sex

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Still wouldn’t work in a city. Only worthwhile if there’s plenty of empty space around like Bagram. Most of the time it just deflects the rounds and doesn’t cause them to detonate in mid air.

        t. former LPWS operator
        I guess AMA Reddit

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do you think Shaheeds just explode wherever they impact or need to be in their intended GPS square to detonate?
          I suppose if they got shot down in numbers then they'd be modified with impact triggers to make for better terror weapons.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wasn’t thinking about drones, but missies and artillery. I guess they would be effective for drones, but LOS would be a big issue in a city. Plus the range is very limited compared to missiles. You best bet would still probably be stingers.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >LOS would be a big issue in a city
              Put it on a sky-scraper like the level100 rooftop-korean.

              You see it at events like the olympics already anyway.

              >modified with impact triggers
              They already rely on impact triggers.

              >They already rely on impact triggers.
              Then you've got to hope you rip it apart or that random drops just won't be as bad as whatever it was aimed at.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Another issue is that they only hold 1580 rounds or something and they go through 300-500 rounds an engagement, so you’re looking at 5 engagements tops before needing to reload, which takes about an hour.

              Also off the top of my head I wanna say the range is 0.5km or a little more.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >modified with impact triggers
            They already rely on impact triggers.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they dont want to mow down more people with the bullets that miss than a missile would ever do? There is a reason why they are mounted on ocean going ships or occasionally in unoccupied deserts. You fire thousands of rounds into the air, they will all come down again somewhere, probably into the city you are trying to protect. I suppose you could try blaming the perforated hospitals or shopping malls on the russians, but someone is bound to film it and you then would look a right twat. Look up how many were killed at Pearl Harbour by their own AA fire as an example.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, ground-based CRAM shells self-destruct, they have ever since VADS. It's not perfect and if you're shooting thousands of rounds a non-negligible amount will fail to self-destruct, but it is still a far cry from Pearl Harbor air defense accidentally shelling the everloving fuck out of their own city and hitting nothing they shot at.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would you rather the drone hit? Missiles can miss too, and if that crashes, that goes boom too. At least 20mm has self destruct. I'd take my chances, same with 50 cals mounted on every car and street corner, because at least that's just a slug compared to a bomb

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        In my opinion a quad-fifty linked to some kind of radar and computerised fire control is probably the best solution here, I bet the ukies could knock up hundreds of those on the cheap if supplied with the right parts, they could stick a few on tall buildings and mount the rest on old BMPs or something

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They probably have the components already, it would be kind of like a M45 just now slaved to a optic,/laser rangefinder/radar or a combo of all 3. .50 BMG API would shred and burn these fucks to the ground, especially if you gave them a autonomous mode like the Phalanx

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >quad-fifty
          a delicious M45 Quadmount vatchopper?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Holy shit, a literal retard.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Because they dont want to mow down more people with the bullets that miss than a missile would ever do?
      Aside from the self-destruct, the people are mostly in shelters because of the air-raid sirens. It's kind of a free-fire zone at that point.

      Sure, some property damage from rounds failing to self-destruct but not too much, concrete roofs aren't going to care.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why

    cause you are a fucking retard this isnt iraq that usa placed them there without any kind of regard for civilian safety
    plus you know kiev is 6 times larger than bagdhad so the chances of the bullets to drop on someone is significally higher....

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly they should just give the Ukrainians Super Tucanos and just chase down the sandpeople drones V1 style.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It isn't the worst idea and would give the Ukrainians added ground attack capability, and training wouldn't be the hardest, given its the prop. But you'd be firing up these planes now for two jobs, ground attack and anti drone. Not to mention you got to get Brazil to play nice

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you got to get Brazil to play nice
        Like that's hard. If you have money Brazil has planes.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fair. But so far they've had nothing to do with the war. That and again wear on the planes. They'd be replacing a shit ton of parts with how much they'd be using them. But it would be cool

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Might be harder, Bolsonaro is a Putin Simp, like any other tinpot authoritarian.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/KnAMB1L.jpg

      It isn't the worst idea and would give the Ukrainians added ground attack capability, and training wouldn't be the hardest, given its the prop. But you'd be firing up these planes now for two jobs, ground attack and anti drone. Not to mention you got to get Brazil to play nice

      Texans with the laser-guided variant of the hydra (APKWS), can fit about 36 laser guided rockets in two pods with a targeting pod and a gun pod for backup. Maybe even a fuel bag for loitering.

      Easy to learn, same targeting system as hellfire so their pilots might even already know it, easy to learn if not.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Again chasing these things down aren't bad ideas, we did it with cruise missiles in ww2, and these things are prop powered. With apkws these things would be game changers, butchers, combined with ground fire the city's would be safe

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          APKWS is sexy as hell and I wish people were more excited about it. Versatile, cost effective, they're churning out thousands of these things a year and still increasing the range.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >and these things are prop powered
          I wonder if you could use some sort of acoustic seeker for prop-powered drones?
          Everyone always says that the whine of drone props is distinctive.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I mean you can always use your ears, but as for a missile, it would have to overcome itself generating supersonic sound.

            It is worth mentioning that using APKWS this way against moving airborne targets requires a pretty decent targeting pod. It's not quite as plug-and-play as using them on ground targets.
            Though by the same token, the cruise missile targets that this was tested with are almost definitely harder to hit than the Shasneeds.

            May not be the easiest thing, but if it can hit a cruise missile, it can hit a 185kph drone.

            Oh yeah, I just mean that I don't think it's a slam-dunk for CAS, it's great for suicide-drone interdiction though.
            Lots of loiter time, can fly low speed so you have lots of time on target, can probably even match speed with the drone. Fast enough to interdict.

            [...]
            >the cruise missile targets that this was tested with
            Oh yeah, this is also good for those too.

            The flipside of the cruise missiles is that these drones are pretty small, you're lasing something less than a metre across. It's a womprat basically.

            CAS would be trickier and would require support, but it could bolster things like the SU 25, assign 2 for every 1 SU, but really I was talking about drone interception, yes

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You'd have to find someone that still has a few lying around that's willing to give them up. C-RAM is superior to this.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine needs flak turms. That would be fucking kino

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why is my thread getting hidden and herbed?
    Because it's a spam thread.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Overkill for lawnmower drones, better to just ship a couple of these and call it a day

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Holy shit I completely forgot this existed. Yes. How many are still sitting out in the desert?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think the Israelis were actually still upgrading some until recently.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Checking >wikipedia it says Israle withdrew all of them (even the upgraded ones) from service in 2006. Jordan has over 100 though, owes its very existence to the UK and US, and will literally never go to war again unless it's against itself or various sandmoron insurgents who will lack aircraft anyway. Maybe a deal could be made there.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What happened with all these cool laser systems that have been put forward? Those would be perfect for this application.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most are still in testing and it would be idiotic to send those over lest they got captured when WE barely got them figured out. Machine guns and C-RAM, heck prop planes with gun pods are better suited for this

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I know a guy who worked on those years ago, he said they were freakishly accurate but the software glitches persistent, the system kept targeting civilian airplanes thinking they were cruise missiles.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the system kept targeting civilian airplanes thinking they were cruise missiles.
        Lucky for Ukraine then that it's an active warzone with contested airspace that has zero civilian airplanes flying over it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I know a guy who worked on those years ago, he said they were freakishly accurate but the software glitches persistent, the system kept targeting civilian airplanes thinking they were cruise missiles.

          >civilian airplanes
          The laser systems I've seen look like they would struggle with shooting down anything bigger than these lawnmower drones. Would think they'd be totally ineffective against pass jets, likewise against even Cessna sized planes.
          Besides, assume you could man these so that shots are authorized. That's done with other types of strike systems.
          Seperately, what's the lawnmower engine jibe? These are 500cc 50hp engines. They're big enough to power an ultralight or a mid-sized motorcycle. Was expecting single cylinder 200cc 6hp they way they're described.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Shahed_136
          > went looking for engine on alibaba
          > only found deprecated links for drones

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lasers would be perfect for these drones, part of the reason they're so cheap is that the body is made of styrofoam. Zap em with a high-powered laser for even a second and they'll instantly melt.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >styrofoam
              WAT. No fucking way they didn't really make the outer body out of styrofoam. Every picture I've seen looks like outside is painted, thin skin fiberglass.
              Bc if it's actually styrofoam, I have another idea:
              > Load up Ag Cat crop dusters with acetone or any other highly volatile petrochem
              > Spray those suckers down overflight
              > Get pic related
              > Volatile so evaporates bf it hits ground

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Would think they'd be totally ineffective against pass jets, likewise against even Cessna sized planes.
            Bit rough on the pilot's eyes though. Not sure laser goggles would help against things designed to melt metal.

            https://i.imgur.com/8I6OmEy.jpg

            >styrofoam
            WAT. No fucking way they didn't really make the outer body out of styrofoam. Every picture I've seen looks like outside is painted, thin skin fiberglass.
            Bc if it's actually styrofoam, I have another idea:
            > Load up Ag Cat crop dusters with acetone or any other highly volatile petrochem
            > Spray those suckers down overflight
            > Get pic related
            > Volatile so evaporates bf it hits ground

            I'd assume the styofoam is bulking out the wing, which will be a lightweight plastic shell or possibly carbonfibre or fibreglass. The foam probably isn't exposed because it's not a smooth enough surface to be aerodynamic.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > the system kept targeting civilian airplanes
        no wonder the russians want it

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      All of them are just prototypes and didn't scale up to be mobile

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The C-RAM is a big ol complicated beast, I've spoken to the maintenance people who ran them in Afghanistan.
    They were very unhappy people

    So... Cessna with a a couple of MG's hanging out the doors?
    I mean you'd have to watch your fire in some places but something like the old Skywagon or even just a little 182 with a firing sling, belts of ammo in a 249 or 240
    Cue the soundtrack

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The AC 208 variant can shoot Hellfire even, which can be used against helicopters because of laser guidance. HMM....

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If it can fire a hellfire, it could also fire a MANPAD or potentially quite a few of them if you want to get into some turn and burn dogfighting 🙂

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Quite possibly those dual tube pods you see mounted on Apache's. Have one of those, the other side a 50cal, and boom, you have a horde of anti drone dogfighters

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The AC 208 variant can shoot Hellfire even, which can be used against helicopters because of laser guidance. HMM....
        If it can use hellfire then it has the targeting for laseer-guided APKWS hydra rockets.
        All it needs is to also take a hydra pod which almost everything can.

        Any country with a basic level of industry (can make 2 stroke engines, can do plastic injection moulding, and manufacture very basic electronic communications equipment using some basic fabs) can now make swarms of cheap and effective cruise missiles that can overwhelm defense systems for practically no cost.

        Welcome to a wonderful new world.

        >that can overwhelm defense systems for practically no cost.
        Only 2nd rate defense systems. Any NATO nation will swat these drones aside no problem and put cruise missiles onto the places they came from.
        It's only valid against countries that aren't 1st world (yet).

        https://i.imgur.com/jH5Ifvz.jpg

        I'd just like to say Call of Duty called it. Lasers are viable, but not practical, the countries that have them are not putting them in a warzone where Russia might get them, they're on baby wheels still.

        My option is get something tried and tested and could knock out multiple at once. Shove the bofors 57mm on a truck. If it can knock out missiles and jets, it can take a drone going 185kph

        >Shove the bofors 57mm on a truck. If it can knock out missiles and jets, it can take a drone going 185kph
        Indeed, old school flak would do the job a treat. Everything else discussed is basically a high-tech upgrade of flak.
        This is only a problem because for a while, we moved away from flak to SAMs and now we need to go back again. US and Israel are ahead of the game because they've been handling rockets and mortars from asymmetric opposition quite a while now.

        The issue with this that other anons have brought up is that if the drone swarms are targeting civilians, as vatniks are currently doing, you can't go spamming munitions at them because you're likely to kill as many people from stray rounds as you save from destroying drones.

        You need lasers.

        >you're likely to kill as many people from stray rounds
        That's what air-raid sirens and shelters are for. They can patch up holes in their car roof later.

        https://i.imgur.com/8YSZbSi.jpg

        Quite possibly those dual tube pods you see mounted on Apache's. Have one of those, the other side a 50cal, and boom, you have a horde of anti drone dogfighters

        >Quite possibly those dual tube pods you see mounted on Apache's. Have one of those, the other side a 50cal, and boom, you have a horde of anti drone dogfighters
        Negative, observe picrel
        Compatible with anything that can use both hellfires (for the targeting/seeking) and hydra pods.
        Literally a drop-in upgrade that makes hydra rockets laser guided, minimal training required because it's a hellfire fired from a rocket pod.
        $25k/shot so not that expensive either, way cheaper than a hellfire or AAMRAM.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >That's what air-raid sirens and shelters are for. They can patch up holes in their car roof later.
          On the one hand a 20mm shell is far less powerful than many other explosive munitions but on the other hand, if it hits your ride, you're gonna need a new car

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >if it hits your ride, you're gonna need a new car
            Eh, set up a website to register war damages and join the class-action suit against the Russian government for damages.
            File it in Delaware against frozen Russian assets and you might even be paid out before the war is over.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The 57mm is honestly the answer. Get these along with APKWS equipped trucks and planes along with 50 cals and you have one hell of a air defense net

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Any NATO nation will swat these drones aside no problem and put cruise missiles onto the places they came from.
          >It's only valid against countries that aren't 1st world (yet).
          The problem is all the first world counters are more expensive than the cheap drones. Correct me if I'm wrong but is there a counter in place that's cheaper than USD$25,000 per shot? B/c that's what the drones are running.
          Also propping up non-3rd world places is going to be a thing for awhile. US has been doing this for at least 70 years and its a practice that goes back to antiquity.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The problem is all the first world counters are more expensive than the cheap drones
            A burst from a bofors or any of the other gun solutions will be cheaper pre-drone than the drones.
            Same for lasers.

            The expense is in installation for these units but it's a necessary cost so we just pay it.

            Ultimately, we can also afford the cost so we just pay it and outspend the 2nd world nations using these.
            If a first world nation is using these in a peer war, then we might have to think about what weapons to deploy but the answer is probably just to use them back against them and out spending your enemy on defense is the new meta.

            https://i.imgur.com/oayuhvj.jpg

            How about Skyshield?

            https://i.imgur.com/TZkBNEi.jpg

            I find it kinda of funny as the perfect solution to this would have been the M247 Sgt York with 40mm proxy VT shells

            https://i.imgur.com/TCeQdZI.jpg

            The 57mm is honestly the answer. Get these along with APKWS equipped trucks and planes along with 50 cals and you have one hell of a air defense net

            Basically any of the guns mentioned in this thread would do fine, just need to get them out of storage or out of development and put them in the field in Ukraine.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >a counter in place that's cheaper than USD$25,000 per shot?
            Gepards, ironically enough.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/4rqS9yb.jpg

      Fair. But so far they've had nothing to do with the war. That and again wear on the planes. They'd be replacing a shit ton of parts with how much they'd be using them. But it would be cool

      Flying intercept missions against missiles aimed at the capital.

      I want to be in this fight so bad, do you think they'd count picrel as military experience? Because I've literally trained my entire life for this fight.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        With prop planes no less. We be going Crimson Skies with this shit. You'll need stuff on the ground to catch the stragglers, but it'll keep the high performance planes and SPAAGS at the front.

        APKWS is sexy as hell and I wish people were more excited about it. Versatile, cost effective, they're churning out thousands of these things a year and still increasing the range.

        There's also the Korean one, LOGIR I think it's called, runs on thermals, even cheaper but less accurate. APKWS actually gives prop planes a air to air role again as drone killers, and cheap accurate fire support too.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >cheap accurate fire support too
          I think prop planes would be stinger bait. Or MANPAD bait or whatever.
          They're potentially vulnerable to massed fire from AKs at the ranges they're firing rockets.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            APKWS from fixed wing planes outranges Igla by at least 5 km.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The APKWS works on ground too, and if your using them as interceptors against drones, they're gonna have to get to the cities first, where friendly fire support is

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              It is worth mentioning that using APKWS this way against moving airborne targets requires a pretty decent targeting pod. It's not quite as plug-and-play as using them on ground targets.
              Though by the same token, the cruise missile targets that this was tested with are almost definitely harder to hit than the Shasneeds.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Oh yeah, I just mean that I don't think it's a slam-dunk for CAS, it's great for suicide-drone interdiction though.
              Lots of loiter time, can fly low speed so you have lots of time on target, can probably even match speed with the drone. Fast enough to interdict.

              It is worth mentioning that using APKWS this way against moving airborne targets requires a pretty decent targeting pod. It's not quite as plug-and-play as using them on ground targets.
              Though by the same token, the cruise missile targets that this was tested with are almost definitely harder to hit than the Shasneeds.

              >the cruise missile targets that this was tested with
              Oh yeah, this is also good for those too.

              The flipside of the cruise missiles is that these drones are pretty small, you're lasing something less than a metre across. It's a womprat basically.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, Biden administration decided hat it is not necessary. Ukraine asked for them a few times

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't find the video of it but in ww2 the Japanese would mount a spider web sight to the side of a light machine gun and use it in a AA role. Basically the sight tells the shooter how far to lead or trail the aircraft in order to hit. Obviously someone has to know how fast the target it moving to do the calculations and set the correct sight position. I know its junky as fuck but someone in the Ukie army with high school physics education could probably knock this together in a couple of hours.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    One thing's becoming glaringly clear is the barrier to entry to launching swarms of shitty drones is low enough that countries like Turkey and Iran can become major players.
    You can buy everything you need off alibaba. Get yourself a defense contract and a plant, you can make at least the airframes in house.
    There's going to be a need for a system to knock these out. I think its laser based and it needs to move off drawing board and out of testing and into deployment.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Any country with a basic level of industry (can make 2 stroke engines, can do plastic injection moulding, and manufacture very basic electronic communications equipment using some basic fabs) can now make swarms of cheap and effective cruise missiles that can overwhelm defense systems for practically no cost.

      Welcome to a wonderful new world.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'd just like to say Call of Duty called it. Lasers are viable, but not practical, the countries that have them are not putting them in a warzone where Russia might get them, they're on baby wheels still.

        My option is get something tried and tested and could knock out multiple at once. Shove the bofors 57mm on a truck. If it can knock out missiles and jets, it can take a drone going 185kph

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The issue with this that other anons have brought up is that if the drone swarms are targeting civilians, as vatniks are currently doing, you can't go spamming munitions at them because you're likely to kill as many people from stray rounds as you save from destroying drones.

          You need lasers.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're overstating this. Modern self-destructing shells are good enough that you're only going to get a marginal amount of collateral damage from fuse failures. Especially if the alternative is letting your enemy bomb you.
            The primary drive towards lasers is cost effectiveness per engagement. For high level militaries the initial buy-in is worth it because it allows all the expensive missile and gun systems that have already been bought to be used more cost-effectively.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I keep hearing people bring up self-destructing shells but what's the failure rate on them? If you're dealing with a high enough level of drone spam then there probably comes a point where even the very low failure rate is unacceptable

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Very low, under 1%. Same deal with the last generation of cluster weapons before the ban, shit like Bombkapsel 90 was failing safe less than 1% of the time and failing dangerous even less than that.
                Again, it's not perfect but when the alternative is getting bombed with no response, it's much better than nothing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Bring that shit back, arm Ukranian SU 25's with that shit, flatten whole coloums, heck, drone launch sites, everything

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                God, I fucking wish. I hope the people who work at the warehouses where they keep the SFWs can hear the skeets singing for steel, flame, and death.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's better than 50kg of explosive, which a 57mm isn't even close to

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thing with bigger shells is programmable fuses,which the 57mm has. If you miss it blows up anyway, well out of range of buildings and civlians

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ask tom cruise to donate his p51 mustang

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Come back to PrepHole after the recent retarded hohol & vatnik competitions seeing who can shill the most
    >All “le epic gore footage threads”
    >Muh my side is obviously doing great
    >Doritos show up
    >Everybody forgets that (SP)AAG’s are a thing
    >YOU CAN LITERALLY HAVE AN ARMORED VEHICLE FIRING ITS AUTOCANNONS WITH RADAR GUIDANCE AGAINST SHITTY LAWNMOWER POWERED DRONES
    >EVEN THOSE TOWED AA ARTILLERY COULD TAKE THESE OUT IF YOU POSITION THEM AT CITY OUTSKIRTS
    This board is truly lost, thinking you need a CIWS do down some shitty drone, even though a CIWS is used to defend against much faster and dangerous threats.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    two more himars

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because given who the users are, half the shells would be raking apartment blovks.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I find it kinda of funny as the perfect solution to this would have been the M247 Sgt York with 40mm proxy VT shells

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think you'd want a SPAAG that, you know, actually works instead.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Dusters that predated it would unironically work better.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fun fact about the M147 btw

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Scale that shot down to .50 cal and mount it on an old M60 chassis with a tow trailer for ammo and you've got a pretty nasty medicine for attack choppers and drones and shit.
    I guess the targeting radar would make it vulnerable to anti-radiation missiles, but then again it's aiming at the incoming missile with the Bullet Hose...so meh.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How about Skyshield?

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