Why not F-35?

Why is America scared to use F-35s? Why even develop a high tech multi purpose jet if you aren’t going to use it in the biggest war if the century?

Give it to me straight /k/, why was the F-35 developed?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What is the closest analogue to a modern f-16 in BBC POC? Su-35?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      SU-35S or an SU-37, but the 37 was scrapped

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Those CFTs are so gross. What have they done to her?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          nah

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        :oD

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      J-16... I mean, they have nothing, maybe the export version of the MIG-35 with 'AESA' radar that nobody is buying.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Su-57 unironically.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Mig-29

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Su-27 was supposed to be the counterpart to the F-15E, and the MiG-29 the counterpart to the F-16

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because they are years out on current orders for F35s with c**ts who are paying in something other than IOUs, and it is by far the most advanced western airframe publicly acknowledged. The F16 is available in a few weeks to months, is a lot easier to swallow for people buying and selling on unpacked credit, and is a lot easier to acclimate to for pilots and ground crews who up until now have never worked on anything more advanced than late 70s Soviet tech.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Give it to me straight /k/, why was the F-35 developed?
      To combat a peer enemy. Which Russia isn't. And as always with such weapons to be a deterrent to any combat in the first place. The US would prefer if China just gave up on Taiwan and SK and Japan and bullying all its other neighbors and just was a decent if kinda internally shitty country. Ie, more like the trajectory in the 2000s before the rise of Xi, back when it was run by a committee instead of a dictator. But if we DIDN'T bother modernizing a single thing, the odds of China attacking would be way, way higher than they already are.

      >Because they are years out on current orders for F35s with c**ts who are paying in something other than IOUs, and it is by far the most advanced western airframe publicly acknowledged. The F16 is available in a few weeks to months, is a lot easier to swallow for people buying and selling on unpacked credit, and is a lot easier to acclimate to for pilots and ground crews who up until now have never worked on anything more advanced than late 70s Soviet tech.
      Also easier to accept mass losses of. There are thousands and thousands of F-16s and with the F-35 steadily obsoleting them it's a much easier political sell to give piles to Ukraine and if a bunch get shot down just say "yeah it's a 70s airframe however updated and we would have scrapped them anyway, at least it's helping there".

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Adding on to that with the high amount of current F-16 users there are also more possible instructors, both for pilots and service crews.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because they don’t need to, and if one ever get shot down (or worse, accident), it would massively impair the program from a marketing standpoint.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What is more important winning the war against russia or marketing your shitty plane

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They don’t need F-35 to win, plus they could probably get 8 F-16 for the price of 1 F-35, and it would achieve the same result.

        F-35 is not a magic weapon, it can and will get fricked-up if they fly them too close to russian SAMs.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        marketing the best warplane in the world is more important than a regional squabble. the f35 is for the big show. Russia is now longer a part of that play.

        They don’t need F-35 to win, plus they could probably get 8 F-16 for the price of 1 F-35, and it would achieve the same result.

        F-35 is not a magic weapon, it can and will get fricked-up if they fly them too close to russian SAMs.

        tell that to isreal

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >best warplane in the world
          >completely unproven in combat
          Just because you say something lots of times doesn’t make it true. If we are serious about winning the war surely we would give the best warplane in the world to our ally right?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            F-35 is proven in combat against Russia AA systems in Syria though.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Ok but if you do lose an F-35 it sucks, if you lose an F-16 literally no-one cares, there's like 2000 more you can send in

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I know. I wasn't arguing for sending F-35s. Just pointing out that it's a moronic reason. F-35s would shit on the Russian air force and every potential buyer already knows it.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Not the same thing as a real war

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          > the f35 is for the big show. Russia is now longer a part of that play.
          I unironically adore the idea that the largest possible snub to overinflated Russian ego is the US rolling their eyes and saying "Never play an ace when a two will do. Russia isn't WORTH using the F-35."
          That must hurt the Kremlin more than we could ever know.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > Russia isn't WORTH using the F-35.
            always thought about this. besides F-35, what less technologically advanced weapon is still not worth to use in combat against russians

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              F-22
              As against the NGSW program as I am/was, the Sig Spear is clearly way more rifle than necessary since Russians either don't issue or don't wear body armor. I think it's too much gun for any infantry fight in the modern battlefield but that's another topic.
              I think I read somewhere that it's illegal to send fully kitted Abrams with DU armor but I'm honestly too lazy to fact check it

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                that's a bit of an exaggeration, pretty much all regular Russian infantry and Wagner's have some kind of plates.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                homie all of them have been using the ratnik body armor system since like 2016. The only ones not using body armor sometimes are the DNR/LNR guys and most of them have it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Why posting Beirut after the explosion?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            To let us know that the israelites were behind it

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Wow look at that small cargo ship lifted on shore by the blast. In the middle to the left. How did that even happen?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        entitled homosexuals, we shouldn't give you anything at all

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >marketing your shitty plane
        That sounds like cope.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >marketing your shitty plane
        Unironically

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Maintenance and support are on a different level with the F-35 which would take even more training and infrastructure

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because the F-16 is closer to the Su-27 variants they've been flying than the F-35.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We need to give Russia a sporting chance, otherwise it's boring

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Give it to me straight /k/, why was the F-35 developed?
    to kill chinks
    Russians don't deserve to be killed by the F35, it would be like using an accuracy international to kill rabbits

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why not F-35s?
    Because Ukraine is asking for F-16s. And they're asking for specific models of Jets and Tanks for logistical reasons. E.g. dropping Challenger 2 tanks on them just cause wasn't necessary. They're too heavy for both Ukrainian infrastructure and tank transporters.
    F-16s are used by both neighbouring Romania and Poland, which means an established logistics for maintenance and repairs, if need arises.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >dropping Challenger 2 tanks on them just cause wasn't necessary
      It was necessary from the geopolitics reasons, not to mention the psychological/morale effects of having some strong tanks defending, say, Kyiv

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You're a fricking moron

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This, plus there's a surplus of F-16s on the market right now. Several European nations (Netherlands, Norway, Belgium, Denmark) are phasing out their F-16s for F-35s. One option affects a production line, the other doesn't. The answer is simple.
      Not to mention the bottomless pit of spare parts out there. America's got an air force worth of them sitting in the desert, doing nothing, and the European stocks aren't bad either.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because there’s no reason to give a cutting edge fighter to a military that has been shrekking the (supposed) second army of the world with hand-me-downs. The F-16 is, without irony, just as good, in this context. hands.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >why not new expensive instead of cheap old
    I wonder you fricking moron.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Giorgia is so tiny and cute....

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Giorgia Meloni, the midge in the white dress, second from the left

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The backlog of orders is big. Yes, LM produce 150+ of it per year but it isn't enough. The amount of planes USAF needed is ridiculously big(1.8K+) and that's just for one customer.

    F-16s have a much more ease on the production and those wanting to donate are countries that are already have F-35s in their inventories.

    And also, F-35 is a generational leap and would introduce a little bit more complexity on the lessons that will be given especially with how relatively new the doctrine on that plane is.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    *the biggest war of the century yet.
    I'd rather the US still have an ace up their sleeve if shit goes hot with China.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why give these homosexuals anything? It doesn't give us any institutional combat knowledge to keep our blade sharp, just giving Black folk gibs. I'd rather we run the mission ourselves instead of these monkeys, but that would be highly unpopular to the public.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HNNNNNGHHHH F16 IN UKIE CAMO!!!!

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is America scared to use F-35s?
    We don't have unallocated f-35s or f-35 production capacity since so many people bought them. There are extra f-16 laying around, though.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    its an insult - handful of '70s western tech hand me downs is enough to demolish today's Russia
    >just look how low you have fallen

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because S-400s exist

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A frickton of F-16s are about to be freed up in the coming years because they're being replaced by F-35s. We can pretty much give them to Ukraine without losing much. Worst case, they get shot down. Best case, they rape some Russians. Who cares?

    There's no point in giving Ukraine F-35s that they'll never be able to pay us back for.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How many F-16s Ukraine would need to close the sky? How many to dominate Russian AA?
    I'd say 16 and 32.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't the americans send out their killer droids already?
    We know they have them, we know they have three million killer droids in storage under the appalachian mountains, why don't they just send them out to Moscow and slaughter every living soul in that city on live feed already?
    Stop faffing about, Biden, just end them all already, I want to see Lavrovs head being taken out like a corkscrew

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