Why No Suitcase Nuke?

How the frick has such a device never been detonated by a terrorist group? Why is it so hard?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >just get some weapons grade fissile material bro
    You must be 18 to post here.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Most global powers take counter proliferation seriously and the IC and counter terror units of the modern world are really good at their jobs.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Refining nuclear material is hard.

    Gun type bombs are easy but require massively more of said hard to refine material. Implosion type bombs require very precisely times and shaped explosive lenses.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >just get some weapons grade fissile material bro
      You must be 18 to post here.

      Also making bombs smaller is extremely hard. A simple naive gun-type like little boy has a weight measured in metric tons. Getting that down to even ICBM size was a major technical achievement, and artillery/demo charge more so.

      Further, the known technical means all involve tradeoffs with maintenance. Injecting tritium for example can be a boost. But tritium has a short half-life, so now the warhead needs regular refreshing.

      Most global powers take counter proliferation seriously and the IC and counter terror units of the modern world are really good at their jobs.

      Yes this. Any warhead that goes off will be treated as the responsibility of whoever made it with all that entails. Keeping a firm lid on their nukes is one of the few things even shit regimes take very seriously.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Even if they could get their hands on some refined material the chances of them irradiating themselves in a demon core type incident are far higher than actually constructing a weapon out of it.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That "meme" is extremely cringe

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      i hope all of those 2020 "boog" homosexuals feel embarrassed now

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They lack the part of the brain that causes shame or self-respect.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Getting this triggered by a funny joke.

        NGMI

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You will NEVER be a warrior, booger boi

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            /misc/ is down the hall. champ.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There were some boog memes that were pretty funny, at the start when the idea was somewhat novel
        But as the people making them were trying to come up with new stuff, they just started writing walls of text which are inherently unfunny
        Memes need to be short and concise with a clear setup and punchline. Overly descriptive scenarios are the opposite of that

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          says who?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Memes need to be short
          No

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            need to be short
            >No

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They're FaceBerg "people," they lack shame.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I saw the military deployed in DC and have seen the government kill people in person, but I'm not a "boog" guy just an armed insurgent

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not a threat to innocent people like the government is, just protecting my land and my people from the government. Have no intentions to hurt innocent people just to protect and defend the ones I love.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The government will kill you for being brown so I don't really have a choice, it's only right to protect the ones you love

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                People who are brown have the unlucky situation of being victims of the actions performed by the implied majority of those who have interaction with he government.
                >Tldr - stereotypes exist for a bloody good reason.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm not a "boog" guy
            Yes you are otherwise you wouldn't have made this exact response.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I don't want a civil war

              The Patriots don't want a civil war

              We just want a nation to be proud of

              They call us "terrorists" while they blow up kids in Palestine

              We don't want terror, we want peace and prosperity for the American people

              So the only government title I will accept is "armed insurgent" because it's technically accurate

              But we are just normal Americans that own guns and care about our collapsing nation

              You can call us anything you like, but God is not on the side of the oppressor

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You say all this shit but still can't be bothered to go to your town hall meetings (a place one determined person has consistently been shown to be able to make significant change in).

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                8===D

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >God is not on the side of the oppressor
                The book of Judges says otherwise you dumb fricking boogBlack person. Actually read your damn Bible.

      • 1 year ago
        Greased Geese

        I get that none of them are funny, especially now
        but god damnit, I am just so bored, depressed and delousional I just want to watch the government colapse

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Be the change you wanna see in the world anon

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Do something about it (you won't)

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, nobody on the internet is capable of feeling ashamed of how they act for a minimum of ten years. You won't see moronic cum /chug/gers saying "man I was dumb in retrospect" until at minimum 2034.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Explain to me how this dude is going to weaponize uranium and conceal it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      he rounds up the nerds and orders them to do it at gunpoint

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This shit is incredibly hard because it requires coordination nation-state level resources, at which point why are you engaging in terrorism, because you already are running a relatively prosperous sovereign country.

    It also is relatively pointless for the purposes of terrorism, which is to achieve political aims by creating fear. There are much cheaper, easier ways to create essentially the same amount of fear.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't a lot of warheads go missing during the collapse of the Soviet Union? Who the frick has those and why haven't they been used?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Stolen soviet warheads? None that have been made public record. Missing nuclear materiel? Yes, though in the few cases I've read about it wasn't weapons grade material so much as low grade nuclear fuel disappearing from nuclear lighthouses in Siberia. There was one story i can't remember the details of where actual nuclear fuel (again not refined to weapons grade) being sold after the collapse but without the industrial refinement capabilities that can't be used for anything more than a dirty bomb.

        Also majority of terrorists are dumbfrick radicals who resort to harming random civilian targets for no specific reason, usually with whatever tool they find right in front of them like a vehicle or gun because they're too stupid to actually coordinate anything more elaborate. The kind of groups more intelligent, resourceful, and capable than that (think the 911 plotters) usually get caught by the intelligence agencies before they can get too far.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Side note warheads have a shelf life, requiring expensive highly technical maintenance and upkeep. Russian warheads are known to expire faster than US ones too.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's the tritium initiator that has to be replaced every decade, we now know the plutonium pit can last up to a century. Previously it was thought the cores needed replacement every 30 years or so.

            Sourcing the necessary elements to replace the initiator is easier than getting a bomb or weapon grade plutonium (i.e. with most of the Pu-240 removed from it)

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              All will be solved with the glory of AM.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Zero, warheads or weapons grade material

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Didn't a lot of warheads go missing during the collapse of the Soviet Union?
        There's like two people who have claimed that. One guy with connections in the black market who said it in some documentary but had zero proof, and one guy in a western Navy (don't even remember if American) who said that after meeting a submarine admiral post-collapse he offered to sell the vessel with the nukes included.
        If any warhead went missing, it had to be a moronic accident like an airplane crashing and the bomb ending up in the ocean or driving itself into the dirt like it happened to the US.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Anon there’s like four or five actual missing broken arrow warheads scattered throughout…I think the East Coast?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >why haven't they been used
        they simply no longer work. To get a nuke go off you need radioactive material. To get smaller nuke you need radioactive material that's more radioactive. Remember what radioactive means? It literally disintegrates into radio waves at it's own.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >To get smaller nuke you need radioactive material that's more radioactive.
          Not true. You use a neutron-reflecting layer around the core and an inner core of some neutron producing isotope to boost the neutron flux through the fissile material. The fissile material is the same though, either U-233, U-235, or Pu-239. If you want more deets go to a library and read a book.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just finished first season of the Jack Ryan TV show and I'm wondering, would that sort of "nuclear" attack be feasible?
    For those unfamiliar, an isotope of cesium (I'm not sure which) ground up to a few pounds of very fine dust and released into the ventilation system of a hospital in an attempt to irradiate the entire building with a deadly dose

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      > On 23 November [1995], [Shamil] Basayev announced on the Russian NTV television channel, that four cases of radioactive material had been hidden around Moscow. Russian emergency teams roamed the city with Geiger counters, and located several canisters of Caesium, which had been stolen from the Budennovsk hospital by the Chechen militants. The incident has been called "the most important sub-state use of radiological material."

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you can get cesium-137 from x ray machines which are in hospitals
      a bunch of hispanics fried themselves this way when they decided to scrap an xray machine and decided to make israeliteelry out of the glowing blue powder

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        A bunch of them also ate it and shit. Bunch of fricking morons.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the Jack Ryan TV show
      Is hogshit written by SoCal commies coasting on the name of a recurring character in Tom Clancy novels.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe, but it's pretty fun imo

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, of course radiological terorrism is viable, but it's not exactly flashy enough.
      Better to just do bombs.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The issue is not to pack critical mass of uranium inside a suitcase.
    The issue is to produce it. First of all, you need a sheer volume of uranium ore to process it into something useful. And from how rare uranium within that ore is, you need to get a shitton of it, literally tons.
    Then you need to dissolve it all with acid to get uranium out.
    You can't do it at home and you can't do it in yard. You need basically an entire mining site.
    Then of course all the waste you produce doesn't go unnoticed.
    And after you got uranium ore, to enrich it you need to separate it. Usually it is done by binding it to fluorine and putting it in centrifuges, which is very expensive piece of equipment.
    So you need shitton of money, shitton of work, shitton of digging, transport large volumes of rock, dissolve them.
    Basically to produce a nuke you need a large factory and a large mining site and specific equipment that you can't produce on your own since it's even more difficult than the other processes I mentioned.

    So it's impossible to do it in secrecy. And if people know that you are producing it, they will know what you do with it too.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Do they want to triumph or not!?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >And after you got uranium ore, to enrich it you need to separate it.
      This is simply not true. U-235 is NOT the preferred fissile material for bombs specifically because it requires so much starting material and the Uranium is so difficult to enrich. Breeding Pu-239 and chemically separating it from the Uranium is much easier. Natural Uranium (99% 238, 0.7% 235) is still just barely enough to get a sustained reaction going with a decent moderator. Heavy water is expensive. Graphite is not. And operating such a breeder reactor at a low power output offers better control of the reaction, making a Chernobyl-type accident less likely. Something like the B Reactor at Hanford would be able to produce enough material for a bomb every few months, and that was literally just a giant block of graphite with fuel and water channels.

      The tricky part is not over-exposing the fuel or you get an undesirable level of Pu-240 mixed in with the Pu-239. Pu-240 is less stable, so you end up severely limiting the upper yield of the fission device. If you want to go higher, you need a fusion stage, and that requires at least as much Plutonium, plus Lithium Hydride, and a casing made on U-238 and Lead with specific geometry to reflect the fission explosion toward the fusion stage.

      But making the fission stage small is not hard at all. A simple 2-point detonation bomb can be under 2ft long and under 1ft diameter. Not very efficient, but it works.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        checked and this
        though you will likely give yourself radiation poisoning at some point, plus the plutonium needs to be sintered and machined

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The actually tricky part is actually doing anything with your piles of pyrophoric and absurdly toxic metal.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          What is a sealed box filled with nitrogen or argon?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Good luck casting a plutonium core in a glovebox.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The box doesn't have to fit on a desktop. It can be a room that is sealed and holds all the equipment needed for processing. You don't want to handle Pu when it comes out of the reactor with only gloves anyway. It's way too hot for anything other than machines to handle for several weeks/months depending on how long it was cooking,

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tiny nuke = tiny shitty tamper.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Size isn't the problem, stop using first gen designs as an argument, you can fit a 10-20 kt bomb in a 30 kg backpack since at least the early 70s. How implosion-type bombs can be miniaturized and simplified to hell is still one of the best kept secret on Earth, so people still believe you need big and extremely complex explosive lenses with krytrons to synchronise detonation like Fat Man. B61s can yield up to 340kt and the payload itself only weighs about 200 kg.

    The biggest issue is sourcing the device. Terrorists are more likely to make a dirty bomb or fit a full-sized warhead in a truck than stumble upon a mini-nuke ready to be transported on their back.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >How implosion-type bombs can be miniaturized and simplified to hell is still one of the best kept secret on Earth
      It's really not. You center your hollow core inside a cylindrical casing, set a pair of circular plates (smaller than the casing diameter but not by much) a short distance away from the core, and fill the casing completely with your plasticized explosive of choice (C4, PBX, etc.). When the explosive material is detonated at both ends the blast will travel inwards, go around the circular plates, and become toroidal in doing so. These expanding toroidal blast waves will converge on the core and crush it into the necessary density. For best results you will need a not quite spherical core and you will need to work out the diameter and spacing on the plates. This is the design for the first 2-point detonation bomb. Other, more efficient s-point designs have been made since then, and single-point detonation designs are even in production today.

      The reason that no private nuclear arsenals exist is because the kind of people who want to have nukes tend to frick goats, and the kind of people with the skills to make breeder reactors and work out the geometry of nuclear bomb components spend years in university learning calculus, physics, and coding to get a high paying job. Very little overlap.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Nukes don't exist, moron.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Stop watching RED 2

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Take a look at this

    The guy extracts U-238 from uranium ore.
    Even this takes a lot of work, but if you were to use U-238 a gun type bomb, you would not get a nuclear detonation since it doesn't go supercritical.

    You need to extract U-235 from the U-238 using a large amount of centrifuges.

    It's A LOT of energy extensive, complicated and expensive work, only a few countries are proficient at it.
    For plutonium breeding you need a nuclear reactor either way.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Better question is why no one has blown up a normal bomb surrounded by radioactive waste to dirty bomb a city. Seems like it would be much easier to pull off with how corrupt the Asian and Middle Eastern nuclear powers are.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You overestimate the corruption in this sector. Nuclear materials are pretty heavily regulated and tracked by international organizations and intelligence agencies around the globe.

      There are only very few instances of radioactive material going missing. Sure both the US and the SU lost a nuclear weapon here and there but they rest peacefully at the bottom of oceans and lakes...
      https://www.atomicarchive.com/almanac/broken-arrows/index.html

      The fact that incidents like nuclear terrorism with dirty bombs doesn't happen would be empirical proof alone that the system of international observation works.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >system of international observation works.
        reminds me of how after the vatnik union imploded observers went to work in russia an immediately sumbled across a unguarded nook launch site with its door open. Nobody home as the staff had not been payed so they fricked off and went home not giving a frick

        Nooks have absolutely gone into the wild, specially after the implosion of the vatnik union. It is just either the arming codes were not included or they were rotten soviet duds used for scamming the buyer. The soviet shit was not very good to begin with even when still factory fresh. For obvious reasons both sides decided to keep hush hush about the incidents while the more responsible side tried to quietly recover the defunct nooks in the wild. Some of these black market ones were also acquired by the likes of iran, china and best korea. Looking for pointers on how to improve their versions or just straight copy it. For norks in particular there was even a big scandal when they got caught one time in kamchatkas sub docks

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          For anyone wondering if that pic is a nuke, it isn't. It's a display of a guidance system.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          > Nooks have absolutely gone into the wild

          I judge by evidence, not conjecture.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >when you (200 word essay about muh boog)
    When will you homosexuals stop posting these unfunny, reddit-tier fed memes?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's a fricking joke, get a grip.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Most realistically, a private nuclear weapon could be created by a rich person and the right defense/research/front corporations

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    nukes aren't real

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    maybe the real weapon was the fear suitcase nukes generated along the way

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Wow that's such a funny meme hahahaha

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    its actually part of the reason why you havent seen any car capable fusion reactor engines let out of classified labs. because they are easy to turn into boom booms you just crank the dial up on the feeback loop control system into a positive feedback loop

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >car capable fusion reactor engines
      Don't exist.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        keep telling yourself that

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I love that you schizo's, who aim shit like this, are the next mi ute talking about how the government can't do anything right. And are all incompetent.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            i am schizo but i also have a degree in electrical engineering as well as particle physics and ive spent the last ten years working on computational complexity and the math behind making a working prototype.

            so please before you spout off any bullshit publish a proof that a small fusion nuclear reaction engine is impossible mathematically before you go on being the homosexual Black person you are

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You're a grad student with no published papers that isn't liked by his professor coping on the internet about how experienced and professional you are.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                and you have none of those educational backgrounds yet still claim to know more about nuclear physics than me

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Turns out making nuclear weapons isn't that easy.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    there's got to be at least one rusting away in a half collapsed concrete bunker in the urals or something. Look at all those RTGs and other shit the rooskies left lying around.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Probably not, because after the fall of the Soviet Union, the US was worried about such an scenario. So they sent a frickton of money and equipment and even people to install systems of security clearance at nuclear weapon facilities or container for nuclear materials:
      > "... another important contribution was seen when the US sent storage containers to Russia to store fissionable material under Russian control. The US provided "10,000 fissile material storage containers by the end of 1995 and a total of nearly 33,000 containers by early 1997".[12] These containers aided in Russia's ability to store nuclear material from dismantled warheads. Another contribution from the US to Russia was "75 million dollars to help Russia build a new fissile material storage facility at Chelyabinsk for plutonium "pits" from dismantled warheads".[12] The Nuclear Threat Reduction program was not just used to remove everything fissionable from Russia; it also included ideas for safe storage and transportation of fissionable material in Russia built up during the Cold War."

      ...

      > "260 tons of fissile material received security upgrades
      60 nuclear warhead storage sites received security upgrades
      35 percent of Russian chemical weapons received security upgrades
      49 former biological weapons facilities were converted to joint U.S.–Russian research under what were known as the Biological Threat Reduction Integrating Contracts
      4 biological weapons sites received security improvements"

      pretty fascinating read.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction

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