It's basically shit for anything other than extremely inefficient building demolition and committing war crimes.
It has very, very little tactical value.
If you need to clear a building and napalm is on the menu, just drop white phosphorous through the roof and shoot the choking/burning people stumbling out.
>clearing
You're not "clearing" a building with napalm lmao. You're just demolishing it very inefficiently, when you could have done the same job with explosives for far less cost and risk.
If you want something you can chuck into buildings to clear individual rooms without demolishing them, there's this thing called a grenade.
>Napalm goes around corners
yeah but then you can go into the place you just set on fire.
Trust me, it has all been tried- trenches, fields, forest, urban, rural- all it's good for is lighting shit on fire, it does not you get further toward the goal than you would otherwise
If you need to clear a building and napalm is on the menu, just drop white phosphorous through the roof and shoot the choking/burning people stumbling out.
>clearing
You're not "clearing" a building with napalm lmao. You're just demolishing it very inefficiently, when you could have done the same job with explosives for far less cost and risk.
If you want something you can chuck into buildings to clear individual rooms without demolishing them, there's this thing called a grenade.
>Napalm goes around corners
yeah but then you can go into the place you just set on fire.
Trust me, it has all been tried- trenches, fields, forest, urban, rural- all it's good for is lighting shit on fire, it does not you get further toward the goal than you would otherwise
Very little of the killing done by flamethrowers comes from the fire despite what movies make you think. It's the wave of carbon monoxide that will probably kill you first. Napalm doesn't even need to make contact. Just have a jet of flame from one relatively near you and you're poisoned and about to suffer near instant death
Sorry for the reddit link but PrepHole wont let me link to the article because it thinks its spam
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/oirxpi/til_in_wwii_a_major_cause_of_casualties_due_to/
A napalm variant flamethrower like the M2-2 in the OP pic used for building clearing is in the perfect enviroment for CO poisoning and asphyxiation. With enough trigger time on the flamethrower you can superheated the air to make it so deadly trying to breathe it will destroy your airways. If you're exposing yourself to hose someone down with flames you're doing it wrong.
>After reading this, it seems like the causes of death were, in order of likelihood:
>Sudden increase in temperature leading to elevated blood pressure resulting in cardiac arrest
>Damage to the lungs and throat due to increased temperature resulting in pulmonary edema
>Hypoxia/carbon monoxide poisoning
Direct burns to flesh
2 years ago
Anonymous
You posted 3 minutee after I did so you probably took 2 minutes to skim read reddit instead of read the article. The redditors are talking about the findings from the M1 flamethrower which didn't use napalm and has different results. If you read the article you would have known this.
If you're not even interested in the subject then why are you even here? Fricking nu-/k/. Not spoonfeeding you newbies anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's a discord troony trying to demoralise and D&C via obfuscation, deception and blatant homosexualry.
If you need to clear a building and napalm is on the menu, just drop white phosphorous through the roof and shoot the choking/burning people stumbling out.
God you people are ignorant.
the flamethrower has tactical value which is why they were used extensively in ww2 and wars after. You really think they didn't have bombs in ww2? they used flamethrowers for a reason
1. You can't bomb a cave system full of bad guys hiding. But you can gas the people inside. More specifically you can take their oxygen by burning it. Just like you people jerk thermobaric bombs off, a squirt of a flame thrower (which is a jelly, not propane like you see in the movies) will rapidly deplete the oxygen in a cave or tunnel and suffocate the people within.
2. it was good at taking out pillboxes from a distance or other nasty hidey holes. Unlike what you see in the movies, these things could spray 50,60,100 feet in an accurate arc. Yeah you could use an rpg now
3. there's the psychological aspect. These things were able to get enemies to surrender out of bunkers without having to waste men or equipment, beyond a small squirt of flame to scare people
I asked my uncle once if he ever did tunnel crawler shit in Vietnam and his exact words were "Frick no, those motherfrickers are crazy. Here's what you do. You shove a flamethrower in the hole and you let it rip, then you look around for wherever the smoke came out and you walk over there and do the same thing until the screaming stops."
The range is too short to justify the weight.
Riflesvand carbines are just plain better and if one DOES come across a bunker an AT-4 works just as well.
China still uses them despite having thermobaric rockets and bombs, on the logic that should they need to smoke someone out but cant bomb the building, its an available option.
How many pill boxes are you clearing? None? Plan on carrying around a huge, heavy, explosive backpack? Remember that the lifespan of most flathrower troops in WWII was not great because they were easy targets.
Have actually built one out of a couple of fire extinguishers. Put in a shrader valve to pressurize one tank and fill the other with a concoction of flammen liquid. Use a propane torch as an igniter. Will blast about 40 ft. May do better if I can thin the liquid some more. I use pressure washer tips for effect.
Range is shit. Just use artillery, drones, or missiles to carry the incendiaries to the enemy without having to damn near crawl up their asses. Flamethrowers are mostly used now to deal with hives of stinging insects like Africanized bees or Asian giant hornets.
Thermobaric bombs are legal and you've seen how the world reacts to them being used
It sucks.
They suck.
>legal
Stop using israelitespeak. There is no law in war.
It's basically shit for anything other than extremely inefficient building demolition and committing war crimes.
It has very, very little tactical value.
> very little tactical value.
Building clearing. Napalm goes around corners
If you need to clear a building and napalm is on the menu, just drop white phosphorous through the roof and shoot the choking/burning people stumbling out.
>clearing
You're not "clearing" a building with napalm lmao. You're just demolishing it very inefficiently, when you could have done the same job with explosives for far less cost and risk.
If you want something you can chuck into buildings to clear individual rooms without demolishing them, there's this thing called a grenade.
>Napalm goes around corners
yeah but then you can go into the place you just set on fire.
Trust me, it has all been tried- trenches, fields, forest, urban, rural- all it's good for is lighting shit on fire, it does not you get further toward the goal than you would otherwise
Very little of the killing done by flamethrowers comes from the fire despite what movies make you think. It's the wave of carbon monoxide that will probably kill you first. Napalm doesn't even need to make contact. Just have a jet of flame from one relatively near you and you're poisoned and about to suffer near instant death
Nobody believes that.
Sorry for the reddit link but PrepHole wont let me link to the article because it thinks its spam
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/oirxpi/til_in_wwii_a_major_cause_of_casualties_due_to/
A napalm variant flamethrower like the M2-2 in the OP pic used for building clearing is in the perfect enviroment for CO poisoning and asphyxiation. With enough trigger time on the flamethrower you can superheated the air to make it so deadly trying to breathe it will destroy your airways. If you're exposing yourself to hose someone down with flames you're doing it wrong.
From reddit:
>After reading this, it seems like the causes of death were, in order of likelihood:
>Sudden increase in temperature leading to elevated blood pressure resulting in cardiac arrest
>Damage to the lungs and throat due to increased temperature resulting in pulmonary edema
>Hypoxia/carbon monoxide poisoning
Direct burns to flesh
You posted 3 minutee after I did so you probably took 2 minutes to skim read reddit instead of read the article. The redditors are talking about the findings from the M1 flamethrower which didn't use napalm and has different results. If you read the article you would have known this.
If you're not even interested in the subject then why are you even here? Fricking nu-/k/. Not spoonfeeding you newbies anymore.
It's a discord troony trying to demoralise and D&C via obfuscation, deception and blatant homosexualry.
You are a moronic, arrogant homosexual.
>Very little of the killing done
It doesn't do any killing unless you light up a hooch with the back door locked. It's useless.
>clearing out homeless camps
excellent janitorial tool
>farming tool.
true, rice straw ash is great fertilizer
Simple I just hold my breath while dodging the flames. Flamethrowers suck.
true, just weave behind him and cut the tank with your katana.
If you get some of the oil onto your sword you can light it up.
So does a grenade
Imagine a comedy video of a SWAT team clearing a room with napalm before running in and burning to death
This is what I like waking up to. Hell yeah *doom music plays*
Works good for clearing out homeless camps
God you people are ignorant.
the flamethrower has tactical value which is why they were used extensively in ww2 and wars after. You really think they didn't have bombs in ww2? they used flamethrowers for a reason
1. You can't bomb a cave system full of bad guys hiding. But you can gas the people inside. More specifically you can take their oxygen by burning it. Just like you people jerk thermobaric bombs off, a squirt of a flame thrower (which is a jelly, not propane like you see in the movies) will rapidly deplete the oxygen in a cave or tunnel and suffocate the people within.
2. it was good at taking out pillboxes from a distance or other nasty hidey holes. Unlike what you see in the movies, these things could spray 50,60,100 feet in an accurate arc. Yeah you could use an rpg now
3. there's the psychological aspect. These things were able to get enemies to surrender out of bunkers without having to waste men or equipment, beyond a small squirt of flame to scare people
I asked my uncle once if he ever did tunnel crawler shit in Vietnam and his exact words were "Frick no, those motherfrickers are crazy. Here's what you do. You shove a flamethrower in the hole and you let it rip, then you look around for wherever the smoke came out and you walk over there and do the same thing until the screaming stops."
>has
had, it's worthless on a modern battlefield.
Shit's heavy and makes you a target.
We have more advanced stuff now.
its like the gun on an A-10. amazing for breaking down morale, but really ineffective in practice and has too many caveats in order to properly work
The range is too short to justify the weight.
Riflesvand carbines are just plain better and if one DOES come across a bunker an AT-4 works just as well.
picrel does it better
>just strap a giant tank of flammable liquid on your back and run around with an open flame
Nobody will do this job.
Why get close to a bunker or tunnel entrance with a tank of volatile fuel on your bank when you can just get the airforce to drop a JDAM on it.
It's legal technically as a farming tool.
Are there any legal restrictions on flamethrowers in U.S ?
China still uses them despite having thermobaric rockets and bombs, on the logic that should they need to smoke someone out but cant bomb the building, its an available option.
Specifically they use the Type 20C
That the same one used in this footage of the 1984 Sino-Vietnamese Battle? https://youtu.be/CbJ8OM2864U?t=165
adjusting gas valves
>Let loose the juice
How do we make black napalm irl bros?
dissolve some oil-soluble color pigment in the gasoline before you thicken it.
Brazil also still uses them. And designs and makes them.
>smoke someone out but cant bomb the building, its an available option.
honestly that just sounds like something you'd need to use on your own people
>uh yes I want to kill all the political dissidents but not the building infrastructure
>yeah man just burn it the frick down while they're inside
Short range and they are easy targets.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE PRICE OF GAS!1!!!
How many pill boxes are you clearing? None? Plan on carrying around a huge, heavy, explosive backpack? Remember that the lifespan of most flathrower troops in WWII was not great because they were easy targets.
Guys, hear me out
Have actually built one out of a couple of fire extinguishers. Put in a shrader valve to pressurize one tank and fill the other with a concoction of flammen liquid. Use a propane torch as an igniter. Will blast about 40 ft. May do better if I can thin the liquid some more. I use pressure washer tips for effect.
Range is shit. Just use artillery, drones, or missiles to carry the incendiaries to the enemy without having to damn near crawl up their asses. Flamethrowers are mostly used now to deal with hives of stinging insects like Africanized bees or Asian giant hornets.
imagine the feeling when firing that into a packed MG bunker. mental illness in later life.
bunker buster bombs