>pp-19 bizon >replaced by pp-19 vityaz, feeding from standard box magazines >calico pistols and carbines >commercial failure due to weight, expense, and complexity of magazines leading to unreliability
It's been a thing. You can still find Calicos on Gunbroker (hell, I've been thinking about picking one up for USPSA PCC as a meme) it's just that a 30-40 round double stack double feed box mag is cheaper to manufacture and more reliable, and the extra ~20 rounds of mag capacity isn't really worth the added weight, complexity and expense.
You'd need to somehow push those rounds in the helical fashion multiple times. You could use a rotary spring moving a shaft, which itself contains a block which slides along that shaft lengthwise so as to move through the helical magazine, but then you'd need a strong enough rotary spring, and the block can't be allowed to jam along the shaft, or in the magazine, and the bullets can't be allowed to get wedged either, and you'd have to load the thing somehow...
You basically took a rotary magazine and added an extra axis of complexity. Bad idea.
What if we used an electric motor instead of the notoriously unreliable torsion spring? >way easier to load >insanely simple circuit >a 1oz LiPo battery could power dozens of fully loaded mags >possibly saves weight from not needing the extra material to contain spring tension
Find a flaw that's not "muh electronics in guns".
Electronics in guns that's related to it's proper function. The Remington etronx had electrically primed ammo that could be reloaded and even the primers could be replaced (not that they'd need replacing all that much) should something happen. The trigger pull was essentially a mouse click. People don't like electronics in guns. On guns is totally different.
I maintain that the Etronx could have been huge if used on anything but a Rem 700. Imagine how much of an improvement that trigger would be on an AUG. You could also make extremely short bolts, making the entire gun a lot shorter, if you didn't have to consider hammer placement. Rapid fire would be faster with better accuracy. Electronic primers could be the future if only someone would take the chance on it.
In this day and age, electronics are reliable enough to trust your life to. Electric cars are everywhere, and new aircraft like the F-35 fly entirely through electrical inputs. We're at the point now where you could make an electronic gun that would be as reliable if not more reliable than a traditional mechanical autoloading firearm. We could eventually even see partially motorized actions. 100k PSI cartridges would be viable if your gun had a motorized falling block autoloader similar to what's found in some modern tanks.
Mechanical firearm design is solved. We will never beat the AR-15 or AR-18 centric mechanisms. The only way forward is to radically move away from current design principles.
I don't have pointless electronics in my ceiling fan and the government doesn't have any reason to shut off my fans.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This seems to stem from a gross misunderstanding of electronics. You can't remote control shit if it doesn't have an antenna. A closed circuit battery operated device is untouchable by anything that isn't physically jacked into it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
ah so if something doesnt say it has an antenna then it definitely doesnt have an antenna
1 year ago
Anonymous
>if it doesn't have an antenna
Every conductive medium is an antenna.
1 year ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/j1TkCAV.png
>You can't remote control shit if it doesn't have an antenna. A closed circuit battery operated device is untouchable by anything that isn't physically jacked into it.
Give me the slightest theory on how you would remote shutoff an electric toothbrush and I will entertain the idea that you're not clinically moronic.
ah so if something doesnt say it has an antenna then it definitely doesnt have an antenna
Yes, because all it takes is one dude that halfway knows what he's looking at to audit your circuits, then your company is instantly vilified by every gun owner in the world when it's found you've been putting government kill switches in your guns. It's not hard to find something like that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Give me the slightest theory on how you would remote shutoff an electric toothbrush and I will entertain the idea that you're not clinically moronic.
1. Electric toothbrushes are now IoT devices because the NSA doesn't have shit on advertising agencies.
2. A nuclear bomb.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Give me the slightest theory on how you would remote shutoff an electric toothbrush
Detonate a nuclear bomb in the upper ionosphere
>You can't remote control shit if it doesn't have an antenna. A closed circuit battery operated device is untouchable by anything that isn't physically jacked into it.
Feel like it'd be really likely to jam and a pain in the ass to load.
As likely to jam as any straight spring anon.
Springs can be formed circular pretty easy.
have you heard about Calico?
That's literally just a helical mag.
it is
this thing got 99 camera vibes
lets be real, they have like 10 rounds in that drum and their weekly bread rations
>pp-19 bizon
>replaced by pp-19 vityaz, feeding from standard box magazines
>calico pistols and carbines
>commercial failure due to weight, expense, and complexity of magazines leading to unreliability
It's been a thing. You can still find Calicos on Gunbroker (hell, I've been thinking about picking one up for USPSA PCC as a meme) it's just that a 30-40 round double stack double feed box mag is cheaper to manufacture and more reliable, and the extra ~20 rounds of mag capacity isn't really worth the added weight, complexity and expense.
Calico is still in business and recently got a boost in sales when Ian escaped karls kum dungeon to tell everyone about it.
>commercial failure
They haven't filed for bankruptcy once.
>AK-pattern rifles use rock in magazines
>massive helical magazines are essentially flush with the barrel
How do you rock in the magazine?
the front lug is on the bayonet mount not in the mag well
Those look like they'd be really heavy.
It's complex, an average mutt failed to rotate the lever on m110 for the required number of revolutions
You'd need to somehow push those rounds in the helical fashion multiple times. You could use a rotary spring moving a shaft, which itself contains a block which slides along that shaft lengthwise so as to move through the helical magazine, but then you'd need a strong enough rotary spring, and the block can't be allowed to jam along the shaft, or in the magazine, and the bullets can't be allowed to get wedged either, and you'd have to load the thing somehow...
You basically took a rotary magazine and added an extra axis of complexity. Bad idea.
What if we used an electric motor instead of the notoriously unreliable torsion spring?
>way easier to load
>insanely simple circuit
>a 1oz LiPo battery could power dozens of fully loaded mags
>possibly saves weight from not needing the extra material to contain spring tension
Find a flaw that's not "muh electronics in guns".
Electronics in guns that's related to it's proper function. The Remington etronx had electrically primed ammo that could be reloaded and even the primers could be replaced (not that they'd need replacing all that much) should something happen. The trigger pull was essentially a mouse click. People don't like electronics in guns. On guns is totally different.
I maintain that the Etronx could have been huge if used on anything but a Rem 700. Imagine how much of an improvement that trigger would be on an AUG. You could also make extremely short bolts, making the entire gun a lot shorter, if you didn't have to consider hammer placement. Rapid fire would be faster with better accuracy. Electronic primers could be the future if only someone would take the chance on it.
In this day and age, electronics are reliable enough to trust your life to. Electric cars are everywhere, and new aircraft like the F-35 fly entirely through electrical inputs. We're at the point now where you could make an electronic gun that would be as reliable if not more reliable than a traditional mechanical autoloading firearm. We could eventually even see partially motorized actions. 100k PSI cartridges would be viable if your gun had a motorized falling block autoloader similar to what's found in some modern tanks.
Mechanical firearm design is solved. We will never beat the AR-15 or AR-18 centric mechanisms. The only way forward is to radically move away from current design principles.
>I NEED THE HECKIN SPYWARE IN MY GUN SO MY HECKIN REDDITPUP WORKS!
cringe
Lmao go check for spyware in your ceiling fan, moron.
I don't have pointless electronics in my ceiling fan and the government doesn't have any reason to shut off my fans.
This seems to stem from a gross misunderstanding of electronics. You can't remote control shit if it doesn't have an antenna. A closed circuit battery operated device is untouchable by anything that isn't physically jacked into it.
ah so if something doesnt say it has an antenna then it definitely doesnt have an antenna
>if it doesn't have an antenna
Every conductive medium is an antenna.
Give me the slightest theory on how you would remote shutoff an electric toothbrush and I will entertain the idea that you're not clinically moronic.
Yes, because all it takes is one dude that halfway knows what he's looking at to audit your circuits, then your company is instantly vilified by every gun owner in the world when it's found you've been putting government kill switches in your guns. It's not hard to find something like that.
>Give me the slightest theory on how you would remote shutoff an electric toothbrush and I will entertain the idea that you're not clinically moronic.
1. Electric toothbrushes are now IoT devices because the NSA doesn't have shit on advertising agencies.
2. A nuclear bomb.
>Give me the slightest theory on how you would remote shutoff an electric toothbrush
Detonate a nuclear bomb in the upper ionosphere
electric motors are way less reliable than springs. they break more often, run out of battery juice, etc.
Standard springs, yes. Torsion springs are the big weak point in rotary mag designs.
>arranging your ammo in the shape of a Judenstern
>You can't remote control shit if it doesn't have an antenna. A closed circuit battery operated device is untouchable by anything that isn't physically jacked into it.