Why is the US submarine campaign in the Pacific not discussed as much as the German sub campaign in the Atlantic?

Why is the US submarine campaign in the Pacific not discussed as much as the German sub campaign in the Atlantic?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The Pacific just gets less love in general, and the majority of naval autists are all about the surface actions of the war. The sub campaign was the most successful of anyone else in the war, though

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Depends where you grow up, I think. West Coast has a lot of Pacific Campaign history left over.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It does. A long time ago I visited a big abandoned fort in PNW that was meant to defend against the Japanese Navy

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Which one?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I have lived all over the West, and I'm always surprised how much WW2 stuff there is around. Even places like Utah, there were airfields made to train pilots and were converted to civilian after, and are still general aviation stuff. Of course, after, too. All that super sonic testing and stuff out in Arizona and Nevada. There are lots of fortifications out on the Coast, like you said. I used to fish out of Kodiak, and there's bunkers out there. Still fortifications in San Diego at Cabrillo. The Pacific War always felt like it had left bones on half the country.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If you want to get into some REAL WWII autism you should try checking out EW efforts and how WWII kicked that off.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The amount of wehraboos (kriegaboos?) compared to WWII US Navy aficionados is staggering

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I think its because submarines, and naval warfare in general, are more slow paced and are perceived as not being as exiting (i.e. Blitzkrieging France is more sexy than a bunch of dudes sitting in a tin can picking off transport ships)

      Also most wheraboos are teenagers, so they are by default pretty dumb

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It really was a one-sided battle. With the Battle of the Atlantic there was a back-and-forth of new technology/cyphers, tactics, and there was a real tossup about who would win.
    The US sub campaign just got better and better, and the Japs didn't even really try any ASW until it was too late. This, of course, isn't to discredit COMSUBPAC, but merely to point out that the Japs really had no anti-sub plan.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    because it was a moron fight. The US had shitty malfunctioning torpedoes for half the war, and by the time they got that fixed they basically just sunk a shitload of cargo and transport ships since the japanese navy was BTFO already.

    Although the story about the sub crew invading mainland japan was pretty kick ass. USS Barb only submarine known to have sunk a train.

    but yeah other than that it's mostly a lot of fishing boat kills and such.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >USS Barb
      >Upon completion of her 11th patrol, Barb was sent to the U.S. for a yard overhaul and alterations, which included the installation of 5 in (130 mm) rocket launchers at the Captain's request. Returning to the Pacific, she commenced her 12th and final patrol on 8 June. This patrol was conducted along the coasts of the Sea of Okhotsk. For the first time in U.S. submarine warfare, Barb successfully employed rockets, against the towns of Shari, Hokkaido; Shikuka, Kashiho; and Shiritoru on Karafuto.[9] On 2 July; she also bombarded the town of Kaihyo on Tyuleny Island (Sea of Okhotsk) with her regular armament, destroying 60 percent of the town. She next landed a party of carefully selected crew members who blew up a railroad train.

      holy fricking shit

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Between the Barb and Ramage's Rampage, I think US subs were far better than U-Boots.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Honorable mention as well to these madlads
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wahoo_(SS-238)

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >destroying 60 percent of the town.
        killing many babies, women and children as well as elderly folk. Truly the american way.

        Enjoy mass nuclear bombardment and total annihilation.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          start shit, get hit

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Seethe harder, homosexual.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Just like the Japanese did in the Philippines, China and basically everywhere those vicious yellow midgets occupied. Two bombs and a gorillion M69 incendiaries wasn't enough.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          If I posted this in China or Korea they would mail the US a bottle of champagne. Go to any historic nuclear site in the US and it's all Koreans and Chinese people walking around smiling. Every act the US took to end the Pacific war resulted in saving the lives of innocents all across aasia. From Malay, to saipan, from Indonesia, to Korea. Japan was killings thousands of civilians a day with their occupations. So yes it was justified.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Only the asiatics are butthurt about Japan. The other asians are actually more pissed off at the Americans for ending Japanese imperialism, robbing them their only chance of ever being a first world country. The people of Taiwan are even nostalgic for Japanese colonialism. Meanwhile, everyone hates the Americans, including the chinks and asiatics you held up lol.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Enjoy mass nuclear bombardment and total annihilation.
          Kek

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yes, killing innocent civilians was definitely a uniquely american practice during WWII.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          FAFO

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >but wait it’s only okay when WE do it
          quick somebody remind me
          isn’t there an old american proverb about what happens when you play stupid games?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I believe it has something to do with prizes and their related stupidity.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          true and based, moron americans cant reconcile the fact they are just as bad as the axis

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Cope and seethe.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        because it was a moron fight. The US had shitty malfunctioning torpedoes for half the war, and by the time they got that fixed they basically just sunk a shitload of cargo and transport ships since the japanese navy was BTFO already.

        Although the story about the sub crew invading mainland japan was pretty kick ass. USS Barb only submarine known to have sunk a train.

        but yeah other than that it's mostly a lot of fishing boat kills and such.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnB82cT1LQI
        Between the Barb and Ramage's Rampage, I think US subs were far better than U-Boots.

        Would you like to to know more? The book is great, fantastic read, and Eugene is a bro.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >arrive
        >annihilate unsuspecting town civilians with 5” gun fire
        >destroy railroad
        >refuse to elaborate
        >leave

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Damn WW2 is such a treasure trove. So much happened in a relative decade. Every time you think you've heard it all. There's more.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >the crew of the Barb celebrated the sinking of a ship with a cake depicting their target sinking into a sea of frosting
        >have a Japanese POW cut the cake and give him the first slice
        Crazy that they haven't made a movie out of this.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It would be the boat kino we need.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the sub crew invading mainland japan
      That happened on Sakhalin, not mainland Japan.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much this. There's not much broad strokes romantiacism about the war going from "holy shit the Japanese are so moronic but our torpedos are broken so we're only halfway btfoing them" to "holy shit the Japanese haven't learned a single thing this whole war and are getting BTFO harder than ever". It was just wall to wall seal clubbing, the only salvageable part is those isolated moments.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >wall to wall seal clubbing
        If there's anything impressive about the numbers just consider how many aircraft carriers alone ended up being sunk.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because it ended up being a one sided kick in the dick.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    homosexual French and German philosophies that were spread via professors literally taking orders from Moscow. Everytime Euros complain about "American" woke culture, I want to slap them and remind them that these homosexual ideas started over there.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Most underrated comment in modern history.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Europeans are homosexuals
      Yes. But all of their masculine men died the last century, only the homosexuals and cowards survived the 20th century in Europe.

      So, what happened to americans? Europeans made you a bunch of gays?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Europeans made you a bunch of gays?
        Black person you know for a fact that they're actively trying and seeing not-insignificant success. Euros literally couldn't tolerate people not existing just like them and have in one capacity or another schemed to make Americans more European from literally the start.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >~~*French and German philosophies*~~
      really anon? You are going to pretend those philosophers were ethnically European?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Rousseau sure was.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >trying to tell the truth on PrepHole
      Don't do this on /misc/, according to them America was always a degenerate shithole.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because in the Atlantic there was a constant arms and tech race between the Allies and Germany over submarine warfare, meaning that for years, the actual outcome of the battle for the Atlantic wasn't certain.

    In the Pacific, the USNs were basically sealclubbing the Japanese for the entire war. They were extremely adept at tailing and infiltrating IJN formations, with their biggest weakness being stuck with outright nonfunctional torpedoes for first two years of the war.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Literally Anglos in their last hurrah of Rule Britannia. Kind of like how the Bismark really was fairly unremarkable in the scheme of things, but still a good story.
    Kind of funny how the Channel Dash and Merz el Kabir are played down, because they were kind of clusterfricks.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The Kriegsmarine still had muh u boat mythology going for it, all the IJN really cared about was finding increasingly comedic and convoluted ideas to kill more of their own servicemen off with shit like manned torpedoes and suicide divers. Plus the Pacific theater never got as famous as Europe did.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because its not impressive?

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Same reason why Hood v. Bismarck is talked about way more than Washington v. Kirishima. The story ends the same in the pacific, the japanese struck first, the americans hit back harder.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]
    homosexual French and German philosophies that were spread via professors literally taking orders from Moscow. Everytime Euros complain about "American" woke culture, I want to slap them and remind them that these homosexual ideas started over there.

    Exactly what America was always supposed to be; equality for all.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >equality
      >for straight white Christian landowners
      Yes.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because no Das Boot movie equivalent in the pacific

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Run Silent, Run Deep

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because the German campaign was much more succesfull than the US campaign and the Euro theatre was better than the Pacific.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >German campaign: fails to strangle Britain
      >American campaign: succeeds to strangle Japan
      Try again.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >German U Boats sink 15 million tons
        >US sinks 5 million tons
        Pathetic really to even compare the two

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That just makes the Kriegsmarine look worse. 15mil tons and they still can't strangle Britain. American stangles Japan with a third of that. Pretty sad.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Sinks 3x more tonnage than US
            >is less successful at sinking tonnage than a nation to sink 3x less
            Lay off the hot sauce

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Still doesn't change the outcome. If I have to dig 5 feet down and I find buried treasure, but you dig 15 feet and find nothing while dying of exhaustion, who won?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          USN submarine force smaller
          Japanese merchant marine smaller
          Much higher percentage sunk

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        sometimes success is a relative term; the Royal Navy was the largest navy in the world in 1940, and by the end of the war that title transferred to US navy

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          15m > 5m
          More success

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Sinks 3x more tonnage than US
            >is less successful at sinking tonnage than a nation to sink 3x less
            Lay off the hot sauce

            attacking smaller opponent vs attacking bigger opponent

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Mk 17

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure it's for propaganda efforts.
    Making examples out of troops landing on Normandy or fighting Tiger tanks is miles better than a submarine taking out unprotected trasport fleets. And Japs had rarely any escort DD to spare.
    This....goes against Western ideals. Attacking unarmed opponents, hidden. You'd rather have the people believe the army went up against impossible odds and won through pure heroism and faith in idealistic values.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bullshit.
      Plus, after Pearl Harbor USN submarines were the only offensive weapons available to take the fight to Japan.
      They operated in Empire waters from the start.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      homies deserved it, don't care if "wahhh defenseless"

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        the point being killing civilians is not an impressive feat worthy of being made into propaganda.
        murdering civilians usually turns non-psychopaths away from your cause.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Mistakes were made by the IJN.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Did they count PBYs as Ground based air, I wonder.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why? Cause loose lips sink ships

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    because US WW2 torpedo's were horrible, the Mk. 14 was absolute junk. One submarine commander fired all but one of the 16 torpedo's at a Japanese convoy, twelve hits and only one successfully exploded. In one instance the USS Seawolf fired 4 Mk.14s with zero results, the sub still had old stock Mk.10's from WW1, the sub fired one and hit the stern the second sank the ship...

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because nobody in the US talks about the Pacific campaign at all except for stuff like Midway, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, and the two nukes.

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