Why is the US submarine campaign in the Pacific not discussed as much as the German sub campaign in the Atlantic?
Why is the US submarine campaign in the Pacific not discussed as much as the German sub campaign in the Atlantic?
Why is the US submarine campaign in the Pacific not discussed as much as the German sub campaign in the Atlantic?
The Pacific just gets less love in general, and the majority of naval autists are all about the surface actions of the war. The sub campaign was the most successful of anyone else in the war, though
Depends where you grow up, I think. West Coast has a lot of Pacific Campaign history left over.
It does. A long time ago I visited a big abandoned fort in PNW that was meant to defend against the Japanese Navy
Which one?
I have lived all over the West, and I'm always surprised how much WW2 stuff there is around. Even places like Utah, there were airfields made to train pilots and were converted to civilian after, and are still general aviation stuff. Of course, after, too. All that super sonic testing and stuff out in Arizona and Nevada. There are lots of fortifications out on the Coast, like you said. I used to fish out of Kodiak, and there's bunkers out there. Still fortifications in San Diego at Cabrillo. The Pacific War always felt like it had left bones on half the country.
If you want to get into some REAL WWII autism you should try checking out EW efforts and how WWII kicked that off.
The amount of wehraboos (kriegaboos?) compared to WWII US Navy aficionados is staggering
I think its because submarines, and naval warfare in general, are more slow paced and are perceived as not being as exiting (i.e. Blitzkrieging France is more sexy than a bunch of dudes sitting in a tin can picking off transport ships)
Also most wheraboos are teenagers, so they are by default pretty dumb
It really was a one-sided battle. With the Battle of the Atlantic there was a back-and-forth of new technology/cyphers, tactics, and there was a real tossup about who would win.
The US sub campaign just got better and better, and the Japs didn't even really try any ASW until it was too late. This, of course, isn't to discredit COMSUBPAC, but merely to point out that the Japs really had no anti-sub plan.
because it was a retard fight. The US had shitty malfunctioning torpedoes for half the war, and by the time they got that fixed they basically just sunk a shitload of cargo and transport ships since the japanese navy was BTFO already.
Although the story about the sub crew invading mainland japan was pretty kick ass. USS Barb only submarine known to have sunk a train.
but yeah other than that it's mostly a lot of fishing boat kills and such.
>USS Barb
>Upon completion of her 11th patrol, Barb was sent to the U.S. for a yard overhaul and alterations, which included the installation of 5 in (130 mm) rocket launchers at the Captain's request. Returning to the Pacific, she commenced her 12th and final patrol on 8 June. This patrol was conducted along the coasts of the Sea of Okhotsk. For the first time in U.S. submarine warfare, Barb successfully employed rockets, against the towns of Shari, Hokkaido; Shikuka, Kashiho; and Shiritoru on Karafuto.[9] On 2 July; she also bombarded the town of Kaihyo on Tyuleny Island (Sea of Okhotsk) with her regular armament, destroying 60 percent of the town. She next landed a party of carefully selected crew members who blew up a railroad train.
holy fucking shit
Between the Barb and Ramage's Rampage, I think US subs were far better than U-Boots.
Honorable mention as well to these madlads
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wahoo_(SS-238)
>destroying 60 percent of the town.
killing many babies, women and children as well as elderly folk. Truly the american way.
Enjoy mass nuclear bombardment and total annihilation.
start shit, get hit
Seethe harder, gay.
Just like the Japanese did in the Philippines, China and basically everywhere those vicious yellow midgets occupied. Two bombs and a gorillion M69 incendiaries wasn't enough.
If I posted this in China or Korea they would mail the US a bottle of champagne. Go to any historic nuclear site in the US and it's all Koreans and Chinese people walking around smiling. Every act the US took to end the Pacific war resulted in saving the lives of innocents all across aasia. From Malay, to saipan, from Indonesia, to Korea. Japan was killings thousands of civilians a day with their occupations. So yes it was justified.
Only the morons are butthurt about Japan. The other asians are actually more pissed off at the Americans for ending Japanese imperialism, robbing them their only chance of ever being a first world country. The people of Taiwan are even nostalgic for Japanese colonialism. Meanwhile, everyone hates the Americans, including the chinks and morons you held up lol.
>Enjoy mass nuclear bombardment and total annihilation.
Kek
yes, killing innocent civilians was definitely a uniquely american practice during WWII.
FAFO
>but wait it’s only okay when WE do it
quick somebody remind me
isn’t there an old american proverb about what happens when you play stupid games?
I believe it has something to do with prizes and their related stupidity.
true and based, retard americans cant reconcile the fact they are just as bad as the axis
Cope and seethe.
Would you like to to know more? The book is great, fantastic read, and Eugene is a bro.
>arrive
>annihilate unsuspecting town civilians with 5” gun fire
>destroy railroad
>refuse to elaborate
>leave
Damn WW2 is such a treasure trove. So much happened in a relative decade. Every time you think you've heard it all. There's more.
>the crew of the Barb celebrated the sinking of a ship with a cake depicting their target sinking into a sea of frosting
>have a Japanese POW cut the cake and give him the first slice
Crazy that they haven't made a movie out of this.
It would be the boat kino we need.
>the sub crew invading mainland japan
That happened on Sakhalin, not mainland Japan.
Pretty much this. There's not much broad strokes romantiacism about the war going from "holy shit the Japanese are so retarded but our torpedos are broken so we're only halfway btfoing them" to "holy shit the Japanese haven't learned a single thing this whole war and are getting BTFO harder than ever". It was just wall to wall seal clubbing, the only salvageable part is those isolated moments.
>wall to wall seal clubbing
If there's anything impressive about the numbers just consider how many aircraft carriers alone ended up being sunk.
Because it ended up being a one sided kick in the dick.
Faggy French and German philosophies that were spread via professors literally taking orders from Moscow. Everytime Euros complain about "American" woke culture, I want to slap them and remind them that these faggy ideas started over there.
Most underrated comment in modern history.
>Europeans are gays
Yes. But all of their masculine men died the last century, only the gays and cowards survived the 20th century in Europe.
So, what happened to americans? Europeans made you a bunch of fags?
>Europeans made you a bunch of fags?
moron you know for a fact that they're actively trying and seeing not-insignificant success. Euros literally couldn't tolerate people not existing just like them and have in one capacity or another schemed to make Americans more European from literally the start.
>~~*French and German philosophies*~~
really anon? You are going to pretend those philosophers were ethnically European?
Rousseau sure was.
>trying to tell the truth on PrepHole
Don't do this on 4chan, according to them America was always a degenerate shithole.
Because in the Atlantic there was a constant arms and tech race between the Allies and Germany over submarine warfare, meaning that for years, the actual outcome of the battle for the Atlantic wasn't certain.
In the Pacific, the USNs were basically sealclubbing the Japanese for the entire war. They were extremely adept at tailing and infiltrating IJN formations, with their biggest weakness being stuck with outright nonfunctional torpedoes for first two years of the war.
Literally Anglos in their last hurrah of Rule Britannia. Kind of like how the Bismark really was fairly unremarkable in the scheme of things, but still a good story.
Kind of funny how the Channel Dash and Merz el Kabir are played down, because they were kind of clusterfucks.
The Kriegsmarine still had muh u boat mythology going for it, all the IJN really cared about was finding increasingly comedic and convoluted ideas to kill more of their own servicemen off with shit like manned torpedoes and suicide divers. Plus the Pacific theater never got as famous as Europe did.
Because its not impressive?
Same reason why Hood v. Bismarck is talked about way more than Washington v. Kirishima. The story ends the same in the pacific, the japanese struck first, the americans hit back harder.
Exactly what America was always supposed to be; equality for all.
>equality
>for straight white Christian landowners
Yes.
Because no Das Boot movie equivalent in the pacific
Run Silent, Run Deep
Because the German campaign was much more succesfull than the US campaign and the Euro theatre was better than the Pacific.
>German campaign: fails to strangle Britain
>American campaign: succeeds to strangle Japan
Try again.
>German U Boats sink 15 million tons
>US sinks 5 million tons
Pathetic really to even compare the two
That just makes the Kriegsmarine look worse. 15mil tons and they still can't strangle Britain. American stangles Japan with a third of that. Pretty sad.
>Sinks 3x more tonnage than US
>is less successful at sinking tonnage than a nation to sink 3x less
Lay off the hot sauce
Still doesn't change the outcome. If I have to dig 5 feet down and I find buried treasure, but you dig 15 feet and find nothing while dying of exhaustion, who won?
USN submarine force smaller
Japanese merchant marine smaller
Much higher percentage sunk
sometimes success is a relative term; the Royal Navy was the largest navy in the world in 1940, and by the end of the war that title transferred to US navy
15m > 5m
More success
attacking smaller opponent vs attacking bigger opponent
Mk 17
Pretty sure it's for propaganda efforts.
Making examples out of troops landing on Normandy or fighting Tiger tanks is miles better than a submarine taking out unprotected trasport fleets. And Japs had rarely any escort DD to spare.
This....goes against Western ideals. Attacking unarmed opponents, hidden. You'd rather have the people believe the army went up against impossible odds and won through pure heroism and faith in idealistic values.
Bullshit.
Plus, after Pearl Harbor USN submarines were the only offensive weapons available to take the fight to Japan.
They operated in Empire waters from the start.
bros deserved it, don't care if "wahhh defenseless"
the point being killing civilians is not an impressive feat worthy of being made into propaganda.
murdering civilians usually turns non-psychopaths away from your cause.
Mistakes were made by the IJN.
Did they count PBYs as Ground based air, I wonder.
Why? Cause loose lips sink ships
because US WW2 torpedo's were horrible, the Mk. 14 was absolute junk. One submarine commander fired all but one of the 16 torpedo's at a Japanese convoy, twelve hits and only one successfully exploded. In one instance the USS Seawolf fired 4 Mk.14s with zero results, the sub still had old stock Mk.10's from WW1, the sub fired one and hit the stern the second sank the ship...
Because nobody in the US talks about the Pacific campaign at all except for stuff like Midway, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, and the two nukes.