Why is the Ukrainian officer corps better than their Russian counterparts?

Pictured is the commander of Ukraine's Ground Forces, said to be a master tactician.

Oleksandr.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How much of this war is getting led directly by US advisors at this point, nu/k/?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't worry. All that the black NATO supersoldiers have to do is to raise their erection and Russia will immediately understand.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So you agree NATO has much better command than Russia?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They probably do, but it isn't going to last nearly as long as we hope. The russians will finish the war being the most capable (not technically, NATO will likely still hold an edge there) in doctrinal terms at waging modern industrial war. The US won't really have that due to internal problems, lack of manufacturing base, etc. and europe hasn't shown itself to be capable of waging modern war on their own since like 1982, or past that if you're being charitable.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the nation resorting to forced conscription and de-mothballing tanks from the 1960s is going to become the "most capable [...] at waging modern industrial war"
          this is what a copium overdose looks like

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's true that American industry is not what it used to be, but it is still several times larger than the completly dilapidated russian industry. For decades the only things Russia has been able to export are gas and whores.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >lack of manufacturing base
        >US manufacturing base dwarfs vatnik "manufacturing" by two magnitudes

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Does it even matter?
      If the Ukies are puppets, they're puppets who can successfully relay their overlords' commands to their forces and even have them carried out with something resembling coordination.
      This is a level of performance completely incomprehensible to the rusgols.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Puppets

        Ukrainians use the NATO style of command, allowing their subordinates a considerable degree to autonomy and initiative. They lack the top-down rigidity of the Vatnik Barbarian.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly. Even if at the top they're working with US staff to plan things, they also have an organization that can carry those things out without having to send generals to the front line.
          This seems to confuse the Russians greatly. They can't seem to decide if the Ukrainians are lawless, commander-less bandits or some sort of genetically engineered bio-robots under direct 5G control. Maybe they just can't imagine a scenario where people know what they're fucking doing and actually want to do it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Russians can't imagine a command system that doesn't involve rigid obedience to MUH ORDERS.

            It's why they'll always be outwitted by Ukrainians. Russian-Curly can come up with THE PLAN, but the Ukrainians simply change facts on the ground too quickly for Vatniks to keep up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dont buy this "NATO muppetiers planning everything". No american adviser (except this new AI chat bot, probably) could put together offensive military operation not involving aerial supremacy, having close to no air support at all actually.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And no Westerner would come up with the absolute madman plan of the two pronged counteroffensive. It was widely believed Ukraine was locked into a stalemate on the Donbas by the West.

        Zelensky himself pushed for the counteroffensive, and when the West said, "It's not going to work", the Ukrainians simply went, "What if we did TWO counteroffensives?"

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >And no Westerner would come up with the absolute madman plan of the two pronged counteroffensive
          Like in the Korean War?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >And no Westerner would come up with the absolute madman plan of the two pronged counteroffensive
          You're ignorant as fuck. One of the maxims of western military tactics is "an attack on a single axis allows an effective defense across that axis".

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Feints and coordinated HIMARS fire using us satellite intel is pretty sophisticated for ukies

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          From what I read, we originally only trained the Ukrainians on defense. It's why their offensive tactics are so bizarre to us. They lean more on the Eastern model of offensive warfare, albeit married to Western command style.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Of course NATO isnt planning everything, probably not even planning anything. However, having access to intelligence and assessments from the west (mainly US) is, in terms of a war between Ukraine and russia, like a litteral cheat code.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What stage of death is this?
      Grief? Acceptance? Bargaining?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i think denial

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Denial.

        Vatniks never acknowledge Ukrainians are better fighters than they are. Too much Imperial arrogance.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nu/k/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >shartbro advisor with intel tells you where the russhits are
      >you bomb it
      >"WAAAH YOU'RE JUST HATO PUPPETS"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Almost all US Generals Officers have had glowie training and will fuck you up.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        /k/ope after being raised on 500 hours COD and some special forces netflix specials

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they actually have one, not a organized crime kleptocracy held over from Soviet times that's held in suHispanicion because of historical baggage, most recently the August Coup.

      A lot, but not as much micromanaging as one might suppose.

      https://i.imgur.com/fYNirPO.jpg

      They're not. Russia are the good guys in this thing. Christ is king

      >Church infested with communist security spooks since THE 1920s
      >allow Soviet icons in the military cathedral
      >head of state likens Christianity to Marxism, literally
      Come back to us with Russian abortion rates

      Exactly. Even if at the top they're working with US staff to plan things, they also have an organization that can carry those things out without having to send generals to the front line.
      This seems to confuse the Russians greatly. They can't seem to decide if the Ukrainians are lawless, commander-less bandits or some sort of genetically engineered bio-robots under direct 5G control. Maybe they just can't imagine a scenario where people know what they're fucking doing and actually want to do it.

      >Ze problem with ze Amercans is that they don't read their own manuals, which makes them unpredictable -- Some Kraut in the 40s

      https://i.imgur.com/zM2UgVD.jpg

      Its funny how bloodthirsty I've become.
      At the beginning of this war I was just hoping it would be over soon and that too many people would not get hurt.
      But after 10 months of outright lies, wall-to-wall propaganda, bullying and deception from Nato pols etc etc.
      Now I want every man, woman and child in Ukraine to die.
      I want every Natoid "volunteer" to be captured and executed and their severed heads to be dumped over the polish border.
      I want the Germans to freeze. I want them to be plunged into Congo levels of poverty.
      If the West gets obliterated and and all its cities get reduced to radiocative ash that would be a bonus.

      You're a Communist, so reverting to Holodomor/Morgenthau Plan Redux is true to type. At least you're honest.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you do know Ukraine ranks about as high as Russia on the corruption index right?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ukraine doesn't LARP as le based trad saviour of le white race, though.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >bait and switch

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            does russia?
            russia loves their asians

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Russian propaganda is different depending on the audience it's aimed at.
              For internal use and for audiences in non-white countries, it presents pozzya as this peaceful, multicultural, socially progressive empire with the enlightened tzar at the top. For the West, it depicts pozzya as this trad con paradies where women are women and men are man and fags know their place - as opposed to Western "degeneracy".
              If you ask how it is possible to maintain both narratives at the same time, the answer is that very few people speak English, Russian and a thirdworlder language fluently enough at the same time to notice it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In 2021, Ukraine ranks at least better than Mexico, just a little behind Philippine. While Russia ranks worse than Bolivia and PARAGUAY, for fucks sake.

          Regardless,
          >Two corrupt countries. One wants to work with me and my pals more closely. One is actively challenging and undermining my interests.
          Not a difficult choice on who I help.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How about you look at modern rankings rather than at the times when Ukraine was under heavy rusoid influence?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Church infested with communist security spooks since THE 1920s
        Since the 1940s; Bolsheviks destroyed the church when they came to power, but Stalin restored ~~*the church*~~ to be staffed by NKVD during WW2 to boost morale

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In interviews with journos in WAPO and NYT they'd complained about ukrainians doing reckless things without approval (e.g. the dugin strike), not filling them in on things, or not having taken russia seriously in the begining.
      >inb4 "nuPrepHole trusts msm"
      Statements against interest. The pentagon has every reason to not admit to issues with the alliance.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nu/k/
      Just out of curiosity, what gay shithole were you on in 2014? Because it sure as fuck wasn't PrepHole, or you'd remember the Clankening.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was around for that. Who knew a real thing about geopolitics back in 2014?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So when did you turn into a spineless bootlicker?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Boot-licker!
            anarcho-fags love that term and then turn around and suck off the fbi all day. Go figure!

            come to think of it nafo shills might be on here because they'd know PrepHole liked the klankers. Funny, it's not the same site at all after 2016

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The only people who screech about nafo are commies from lefty/pol/

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nafo was started by a poolack therefore they are the vilest subhuman filth and race traitors

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Doesn't even deny coming from lefty/pol/
                Guess we have our answer.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Doesn't even deny coming from lefty/pol/
                they never did

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All of them
      What is puccia about to do about it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How much of this war is getting led directly by US advisors at this point, nu/k/?
      100%

      and the amount of NAFO seething only confirms it.
      they make little collages of posts like that.
      save em'
      use em in power-point presentations

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're not. Russia are the good guys in this thing. Christ is king

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kek someone post the image of all the russian troops in a mosque

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      #1 in divorce
      #1 in AIDS
      #1 in Abortions
      etc..
      Christ is King

      KEK

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So is communism in Russia.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They're not. Russia are the good guys in this thing. Christ is king

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagend doing all the things like going to church and read the bible just to sell your soul to oligarchs and ex-communist. At least the atheist which you share hell did 60 years of drugs and sex.

      But I doubt you spend the last years a single hour in a church. Just larping on PrepHole

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I never knew oppressing and killing your own people were teachings of Christ.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you actually read the bible you'd know that there are whole chapters on when it's okay to film yourself raping a toddler and when it isn't

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        check the church attendance rate in russia. the trad christian front is just a hoax

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know you're likely baiting but Russia is probably the most anti-christian nation at the moment

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      well if anyone is in serious need of divine intervention..

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hello conservapedia admin

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia truly is the last bastion of morality!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Christ is king
      the only ones that repeat this over and over again are degenerates like ethan ralph and nick fuentes, people who live against the teachings of Holy Bible and Christ. what you do is you commit Idolatry, which is a mortal sin

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Building churches with commie paintings and hammers&sickles in them
      >Killing your closest brothers because a nutcase in Kremlin said so, whole country apathetic enough to let it slide
      >Not only that, but killing innocents out of spite and impotent rage
      >Rape women, children
      >Pay tributes to wild mountain Muslims and let them rape your kin
      >Your patriarch is a KGB asset
      >Cause misery to millions
      >Destroy churches and live in them like they are barracks
      You contrarian gays never cease to amaze me.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Christ hates pozzian idolaters and it shows with every passing moment.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia are the good guys in this thing.
      >Christ is king
      The only thing the Russian Orthodox Church prays to is the State and its idols.
      Its exactly the sort of idolatry Christ despised.
      Stop embarrassing yourself.

      t. catholic

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i hate that thanks to gays like ethan ralph and nick fuentes Catholics get bad rep

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's amazing that they shill for Russia so much when about 5 millions of Catholics live there and Russian Muslims are hellbent to kill them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thats the second time in this thread you bring them up, fuck right off with your weird obsession.
          Idgaf about either of these two grifting Larpers.
          The damage americans and their weird bible-thumping ways did to Christianity cannot be overstated enough.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Putin sanctified Lenin and Stalin as saints.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If the good guys always won, we'd be speaking German.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Germans
        >good guys

        >b-but muh commies

        Communism was invented by Engels and Marx, both were German and both were extremely anti-semitic. So it's still their fault.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The irony, that many of the world's biggest communism shithole founders were gnomish descent.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But god hates fags.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know about that but I just want the ugarden gnomes to lose.
      So yeah, sure, they're doing God's work

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ever since 2014 (and to some extent before that) Ukraine has tried to learn things from western militaries. Russia on the other hand has continued to appoint top positions mainly on the basis of how good you are att sucking Putins cock in order to make sure the military will never oppose him.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      challenges tend to crack any rotten eggs
      If Ukraine was as corrupt as Russia even after the lessons learned past 2014, it wouldn't have held up in February.

      Only peacetime allows corruption to fester and expose itself, and I suspect that's a big reason the US is as effective as it is, and why Germany is as ineffective as it is.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    rumor is that being a russian officer is really bad for your health.its even worse for their generals but what could be the reason?

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He never discuss his childhood but he was born in Bumfuckville of Vladimir oblast, which makes him Russian by birth. It appears he never steped in Ukraine untill after graduation from Moscow militaty school circa 1988.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you want bonus irony points, Zelensky's first language is Russian. He couldn't even speak Ukrainian remotely well UNTIL the war happened. He's visibly struggling with the language in his first war speeches. Then he made a conscious effort to improve his command of Ukrainian.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is pretty nutty watching the birth of a national identity in real time

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you want bonus irony points, Zelensky's first language is Russian. He couldn't even speak Ukrainian remotely well UNTIL the war happened. He's visibly struggling with the language in his first war speeches. Then he made a conscious effort to improve his command of Ukrainian.

      It is pretty nutty watching the birth of a national identity in real time

      >>the highest civilian leader and military leader of Ukraine are both Ethic Russian.

      that's some grand irony here.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the highest civilian leader
        Zelensky isn't russian, he's a garden gnome (ethnically)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This might be a dumb question, but would prompt someone from a random oblast in Northwestern Russia, who couldn't be more divorced from Ukraine, culturally and ethnically, if you tried, to become a Ukrainian citizen and join their military? Let alone rise to their highest military rank?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but would prompt someone from a random oblast in Northwestern Russia, who couldn't be more divorced from Ukraine, culturally and ethnically, if you tried, to become a Ukrainian citizen and join their military
        he's a boomer from soviet times and soviet military shuffled their personnel around, after the USSR collapsed lots of people ended up wherever their assigned military base was
        also vladimir oblast, being actually ethnically russian, isn't that detached from ukraine(as of 90s-early 00s); it's not like he's some buryat from siberia

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >https://www.thebulwark.com/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-heres-what-i-saw-in-the-russian-and-ukrainian-armies/
          it's funny, but anecdotally, I know of countless cases of Russians (and Armenians, Bulgarians, even some Greeks - but that's beside the point) ending up settled in Ukraine for whatever reason and becoming more Ukrainian than some Ukrainians. there's this mother of a friend of mine, originally from central Russia, married to a Ukrainian, lived in Ukraine for decades, still can barely speak Ukrainian, but hates Russia like you wouldn't believe, ever since 2014, and does what she can to help the struggle. people seem to get used to Ukrainian ways, the gist of them being that yes, the country's messed up, yes, there's corruption, but it's sorta on the right rack, and most importantly there are always multiple players involved, never a single party hegemony throughout, and that in turn allows for certain degree of freedom of action, let alone of opinion. as long as I can remember, opinions were always freely expressed and argued in Ukraine, starting from the level of park bench or apartment's kitchen and to national level in media, there was never a stifling 'best keep you mouth shut' atmosphere like in Russia, especially after 2014. I think that it's not an accident that the first maidan was a reaction to a killing of an outspoken journalist. the second maidan, when all is said and done, was about preventing Yanukovitch party from building the single-actor vertical hegemony with the support and along the lines of his Kremlin curators. I suppose some Russians grow accustomed to these fundamental differences and in that they are more Ukrainian than Russian.

          now, I personally have not even heard, let alone met, those supposedly Russian Ukrainians, the ones who find life in Ukraine and its ways so deplorable so that they would rather Russian Federation take over and run the show. I mean, чтoбы чтo? (so that what?)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >now, I personally have not even heard, let alone met, those supposedly Russian Ukrainians
            samefag here. ok, scratch that, I remembered one guy, originally from one of the Ukrainian towns close to the border, he lived in Russia for some time when I met him. for him it was about 'the 'merikans globohome trying to do Russian in', he was a nice fellow in a way, and not stupid, but he bought this narrative complete and argued his case passionately. he was also pretty impressed with North Korea and tried to convince me that it's all honey and peaches there, and all the talk of camps, famines and other madness is Western propaganda. he did not seem to have any practical objections to living in Ukraine, he just made more money in Russia from what I remember.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah, to conclude, don't have much first hand experience of people who just had to be part of Russia while still in Ukraine come hell or high water. anyone with at least a bit of sense just looks and sees. hell, many of those settled Russians still have relatives in Russian Federation, they visit, they see how it is there and compare. it was very illuminating back in the day to start from Krakow in Poland, and make a trip through Ukraine from West to East, stopping for a bit in smaller towns and villages and just checking out how people lived, how they built houses, how there run their communities. it did become shabbier and increasingly depressing in the Eastern areas, and upon crossing the border into Russia it was more dismal still. it was immediately apparent that people there just did not know how to live in a very basic, practical sense, I suspect that they didn't have the impulse to try and make their community a more liveable, nice place at all. I think this is related to that practicality of a good Ukrainian 'master-of-the-house' which the Russians like to ridicule, the inherent desire to keep your estate in order, running well - it's a generalisation of course, but in my opinion it's true. anyway, sensible people look and see. what does Russia have to offer? a chance of being part of 'something bigger, a huge fucking country that matters, which will show the whole world that We Can! Everyone is Scared of Us'? well, looks like this main sales pitch turned out to be a flop. and to support the shit-show, one has to give up even the minimally decent standard of living, the basic freedoms, blindly accept and peddle lies, give up the basic human dignity. no thanks. I mean, you want Ukraine? go for hearts and minds, build up the oblasts next to Ukraine into some Russian-vision-paradise showcase, with good transport, perfect amenities, great schools and medical, and no corruption to boot, people will make their choice. but this is not the Russian way.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So Ukraine is where a Russian goes if he no longer wishes to be Russian?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              quite a number of them moved, especially after 2014, when the rainclouds in Russia started getting heavier by the day. journalists, activists, lawyers. there's this analyst who's part of CIT, he even gives comments to Ukrainian online media outlets, speaking Ukrainian (his accents are all in the wrong places, but he's trying).

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At a certain level, it becomes less about tactics and more about leadership. Napoleon wasn't out there personally adjusting each cannon or firing every gun (even though he was a well trained artillery officer), he simply understood his weapon systems, motivated the soldiers below him, promoted skilled people, put his armies in advantages situations, etc.. If this guys is any good, I'm sure it is the same.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mostly because they actually train and trust their troops and give them the freedom to independently accomplish goals. You know. Western stuff.
    Vs. the Russians having to literally send generals to the front to micromanage their circus until they lost about a dozen of them making the rest flee to the rear. So now you're faced with the current situation of a bunch of dudes on the front with no senior officers, no oversight, no idea what to do or how to accomplish it and the result is top down orders to "take field x" without context "whelp, better send another couple platoons to run across this field and die I guess."

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no they don't lmao my mate went and volunteered for the foreign legion shite and came back and immediately said you have to wait days for permission to ask permission to do something, theres no operational freedom for NCOs or even junior officers whatsoever and the only reason why the autumn counter offensive succeeded is because russian soldiers were low due to the 6 month contracts being over. the war is two corrupt shitholes punching each other whilst being drunk and high on krokadil

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cry more shitskin

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pictured is the commander of Ukraine's Ground Forces, said to be a master tactician.
    >master tactician

    Sticking your men in advanced Western equipment and sending them into a meatgrinder doesn't require advanced tactical knowledge.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Ukrainians conducted the successful defense of multiple major cities (Kyiv especially), forced two major Phyrric Victories on the Russians (Mariupol and Severodonetsk), and launched two successful counteroffensives (Kharkiv, Kherson).

      All the Russians do is charge into prepared defenses, and run away.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Ukrainians conducted the successful defense of multiple major cities
        Like Kherson? Oh wait, that was the city that Russians have actually bothered to capture rather than just bypass it like they did with every other major city in the opening days.
        >(Kyiv especially)
        You can't call something a "successful defense" when the city in question wasn't even contested. The Russians were never going to storm Kiev with just 50k troops. As evident by the lack of any attempt to assault the city, and their quick withdrawal from the region. Hell, they've barely even started bombing its electric grid until October. So assigning a reward for a battle that was never going to happen is disingenuous.
        >forced two major Phyrric Victories on the Russians (Mariupol
        There was no large Russian formation that has been encircled and destroyed in Mariupol, like 36th ukrainian marine brigade. There was no large formation that has fully surrendered, like Azog did. Not sure why you call phyrric then. It may come as a shock to you, but refusing civilians to leave the city, using them as meatshields and outright murdering them in the basements does nothing to inflict "phyrric victory" against enemy. It does make the locals hate your guts for several generations though.
        >and Severodonetsk)
        Severodonetsk was a strategic defeat for the ukrainians, ending in their complete rout. So much in fact that Zelensky was still in denial about holding the city for days after it had been abandoned.
        >and launched two successful counteroffensives (Kharkiv and Kherson)
        They've captured a whole lot of empty space around Kharkov, and lost a shitload of troops in their attacks against Lyman. They've lost entire brigades in frontal attacks across empty steppe feeding into Russian artillery just to get within visual range of Kherson. Which the Russians then simply evacuated in perfect order and almost intact. Couple more "successes" like that and the ukraine might run out of adult males.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          *~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~))

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Winchester, Virginia changed hands 72 times in four years. And?

            Territories can always be retaken chud, cities can change hands during a war. But once you lose an army, you're done. Do you want to know which side is going through its umpteenth wave of mobilization while the other hasn't even fully deployed their first batch? There's your answer whose flag will wave over Kherson 250 years from now.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Do you want to know which side is going through its umpteenth wave of mobilization
              Russia, obviously. You're forgetting that they have regular, seasonal mobilisations and the last "partial" mobilisation has never really ended.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah yes, thanks for reminding they also conduct a seasonal *conscription*, completely unrelated to this *partial mobilization*, meaning that thus far they've barely even scractched the surface of their general manpower pool.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Coolio.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                God I hope Ukrainians repeated this with poolacks

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                whatever you say, mate *~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You poolacks are nothing but filth. Enemy of poolacks is the friend of the white race

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                says vatnig as he posts some soviet crap.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sneed.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nafo was started by a poolack therefore they are the vilest subhuman filth and race traitors

                https://i.imgur.com/0EN8Mmj.png

                God I hope Ukrainians repeated this with poolacks

                Do you seethe about the poles so much because they were the ones who destroyed the Soviet Union?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they were the ones who destroyed the Soviet Union
                huh?
                They weren't even a part of it

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                poolacks fucked up UK America and PrepHole. They always side with the enemies of the white race and wewuz harder than Blacks. If you side with poolacks you are the enemy of the white race

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stfu commie

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Poolacks are the commies. They are welfare queen's pushing for global communism. They are the most adamant defenders of WEF, and death penalty for holocaust denial

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are they LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER, though?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes they are. They were conducting a genocide of ethnic Germans in Danzig while blaming it on USSR. They are the worst people on this planet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They were conducting a genocide of ethnic Germans in Danzig
                I don't see where the problem is.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukrainians are such swell people that despite being responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of garden gnomes and Poles completely independent of the Holocaust, Poles and Israelis still love 'em

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's because poolacks are subhuman filth that decided ukrainians and orchestrated this war. They want to destroy ukranie and Russian Federation. They are using ukrainie government to fight their wars and they are using ukrainian civilians as meatshiels

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think it's more that national identities evolve in response to geopolitics, and both Poland and Ukraine's identities have been significantly influenced by their sufferings under Russian imperialism, especially during the USSR. As such the previous conflicts they had, I.e ukraine being a victim of polish imperialism, have taken a position in the background of their national identities, whilst anti Russian histories take centre stage

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they've barely even scractched the surface of their general manpower pool.
                Is that why they're conscripting people with no upper age limit and scraping out the prisons?
                Reminder that Russia has lost over 1 million men in the 18-40 age bracket who NOPEd the fuck out of Russia when mobilisation was announced.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >And?
              and this means Russia is less capable of capturing cities than some uppity planter class peons fighting uppity factory owner peons in the fucking 1800s

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Keep coping vatnik, You now have less than 10% of Ukrainian land captured(if we exclude Crimea and the separatist regions). Your economy is worthless,Your army is weak and you yourself are a subhuman

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Who controls Kherson now?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Mayor of Kherson

            I do

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're suffered massively compared to how much the russians were able to achieve, especially when considering they only committed around 200,000 men to an offensive against a country that has been handed 10,000 NATO trained men every year since 2014, along with billions of dollars in aid. That being said, we've yet to see anything of how this war will really play out beyond the obvious russian victory. Whether or not said victory will be costly is in question. The Ukies are living on borrowed time, financed by the american taxpayer.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If I go to an auction and spend $1,000 to buy a $20 Walmart folding chair does that make me a genius businessman or a fool?

          Russia lost the moment it stopped being a 2 week special operation

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The real question is: what can we learn from the Ukrainians?

    This is the closest thing to a peer-to-peer conflict we've seen in a long time, where both sides bring their full weight to bear on each other.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What can we learn from the Ukrainians.
      Never get into a war where your enemy is your peer in the first place.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what can we learn from the Ukrainians
      make sure you have no peers.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is the Ukrainian officer corps better than their Russian counterparts?
    It helps that they receive some of the best intel from one of the biggest intel gathering sources in the world.
    Information wins wars.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NATO assistance, a genuine desire to reform, and the danger posed by Russia.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you want a real answer, Ukraine has been completely reforming their military since 2014. They saw the Russians as a serious threat and have been actively working with NATO/American trainers to form a proper NCO corps. Here's an excellent article that describes the differences between Russian and Ukrainian military perspectives post-2014 https://www.thebulwark.com/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-heres-what-i-saw-in-the-russian-and-ukrainian-armies/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Put in layman's terms: "Villain Forgot To Level-Grind".

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Excellent read, thank you anon.
      RIP Vorobyov

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thank you

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      8 years of NATO training, along with Massive efforts to tackle corruption.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-military-success-years-of-nato-training-11649861339

      We haven’t been training the Ukrainians in western military doctrine for 8 years. We have been training them for more than 15 years. We have had advisors on the ground and joint training exercises since 2007.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The biggest contributing factor IMO was the multinational joint commission and operation unifier. The Canadian (and Swedish) tutoring the higher echelons of the Ukrainian army in command and training was instrumental.

        However, it would've been useless if it hadn't been for the Ukrainian ambitions and will to defend their country. The effort they put in to completely turn around their military doctrine was massive, both for politicians and officers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      great read, thanks

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They have better intelligence and communication thanks to USA, and they might also have less involvement from politicians and similar. Also they don't tend to be killed by Putin or Himars to the same extent as the Russians.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As I understand it, Zelensky largely lets the military run military affairs. He's content to be the voice of Ukraine while the military is its righteous fist.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    8 years of NATO training, along with Massive efforts to tackle corruption.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-military-success-years-of-nato-training-11649861339

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Ukrainian officer corps has been fighting a near peer war since the early 2010s, The Russian corps hasn't.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its not full of russians

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's generally less politicized than the Russian officer corps. Not to say there isn't any corruption or civilian meddling in the Ukrainian military, but at least your advancement isn't completely dependent on who your political patron is like in Russia, so there's still some room for meritocracy. It also helps that a lot of the fifth columns got outed in 2014, so the officers who were left had at least a modicum of integrity.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd tell (You). But, then, I'd have to kill (You).

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its funny how bloodthirsty I've become.
    At the beginning of this war I was just hoping it would be over soon and that too many people would not get hurt.
    But after 10 months of outright lies, wall-to-wall propaganda, bullying and deception from Nato pols etc etc.
    Now I want every man, woman and child in Ukraine to die.
    I want every Natoid "volunteer" to be captured and executed and their severed heads to be dumped over the polish border.
    I want the Germans to freeze. I want them to be plunged into Congo levels of poverty.
    If the West gets obliterated and and all its cities get reduced to radiocative ash that would be a bonus.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you for sharing your fantasies, Rajneesh, now back to the call centre with you.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's pretty funny how nafo pretends to be racist but won't admit if they're white or own a gun when asked

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          SIR! DO NOT REDEEM THE RACISM!
          SIR!! RUSSIA HAS WON BITCH BENCHOD YAH?!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What a pity russia lacks the capability to make any of that happen

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. Homo sovieticus

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Russian command structure is such that most/all of the initiative flows downward. They tend to operate as reinforced battalions in their most basic organic combat unit, so this means everything is going through your Major or half-Colonel at the head of the formation. This is a bottleneck in any combat unit, bit it's especially bad in the rigid and outdated Russian military command and control. Officers at lower level have less responsibility and ability to impact the battlefield; as an example, very rarely can a section leader call in his own fire support. They can pass information up about the urgent need for artillery/tanks/mortars etc, but the CO and his staff need to approve and arrange anything that actually happens. All this is also exacerbated by the fact that the BTG is somewhat undersized for larger operations, but rather big and unwieldy for smaller actions. Coordinating between BTGs is messy, but they don't operate as effectively as the fundental combat unit of a major military should.

    Basically officers are set up to fail in this system, and the corrupt and thuggish nature of the wider organization is the cherry on top of the shit Sunday.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Born 26 July 1965 (age 57)
    >Novinki, Vladimir Oblast, Soviet Union (now Russia)
    >Syrskyi graduated from the Moscow Higher Military Command School, the Soviet Union’s leading higher military educational institution.

    So let me get this straight. It wasn't enough that every major factory, dam, power station, every fucking railway track, anything even remotely worth a shit in your "country" was built by the Russians. It wasn't enough that every major city east of Dnepr has been founded and built by the Russians to begin with. It wasn't enough that half of your army have Russian last names. You're telling me that even your high command are basically just Russian renegades?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I guess not even the Russians want to be a part of Russia anymore

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Russian foundational Myth is actually ukrainian history. Ukrainians come from vikings. The Russian nation evolved from mongol tax collection.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the RUS
        I'm pretty confident this statement is wrong

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine is where Russians go if they want to be free.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mark Hertling talks about how the Ukrainians found their way in this article:
    https://www.thebulwark.com/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-heres-what-i-saw-in-the-russian-and-ukrainian-armies/
    it's worth a read.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia doesn't have officers in the modern sense. they're just glorified messengers and whips from higher up.
    an army with a sense of autonomy is an army that can rebel. and Russia's mafia state can't have that.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >bait thread
    >one pro-russia shit take with a lot of counter shit takes
    >one pro-ukraine shit take with a lit of counter shit takes
    >tv told me this “war” would be over by september…
    2023

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because ukraina = white
    pussya = gypsy

    simple as

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you have any idea, how insulting that was?? To the gypsys that is.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    you have to be posting something so memeulous ironically, no way you are an actual vatnik shill

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Sure feels great to be white.
    Unlike you, shitskin.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >another shitty ukraine dicksucking thread
    PrepHole is unusable at this point.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cry more shitskin

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Still long way to go to reach the "russian level" of being despised. I can't imagine, what would Poland have to pull off to reach that.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is the Ukrainian officer corps better than their Russian counterparts?
    Because they were trained in the russian military schools/academies first, then got western training later between 2014 and 2022. They've literally got the enemy playbook and know the counters and the counters to the counters.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukrainian cadets got the ' best foreign cadet' award at Sandhurst for 2-3 years in a row immediately before the war. A Lt Colonel in a Ukie SF battalion interviewed was also apparently a west point graduate.

      What I am saying is that many junior to mid officers have minimal exposure to the old Soviet model.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    This is the wildest tree I've ever seen and I love it. Lemurs somehow evolved from Vietnamese and then re evolved into other orientals. Native Americans aren't even descendent from primates, they're tree shrews. Women, an entirely different subsection of humanity are evolved from stand Arabs. It's just such a deranged clusterfuck.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    And yet everytime russia went 1vs1 with Poland they got bonked. Seems the mix of said traits is better than serfs getting raped by muslims they "conquered" not so long ago. True pottery.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    obligatory

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man Stalin was a real clown wasn't he.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Beating up post-war Russia after Germany tossed its salad.
      Not even a Vatnik, but this isn't an accomplishment.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Serious answer? Because they have less to do, and can focus on what officers are supposed to instead of micromanaging their units.

    As always, the Prussian model obliterates the totalitarian hypercentralized system.

    t. USN NCO

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The fuck? I didn't put in that plebbit spacing...

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Home field advantage + Russia had to have military play many roles while Ukrainian military solely exists to defend against Russian invasion.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I seem to be constantly late to a thread. it all starts with (mostly) bits of information being exchanged but by the time I notice the thread it usually deteriorates into 4chan-style shitshow. sad.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Only with the help of the Kraut's. And collective decisions of the "West". Along with Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary and more. And yet again in the 70's they prolly averted WWIII , through the work of a man by the name Kukliński. He defected to the West with full invasion plan on Europe from the WP. From a historic point of view, the beginning of the end of the USSR. They put a lot of effort in USSR's downfall. After 2021, when Putin pushed Arabs through polish borders, he hoped for the same reaction on UA refugees, and further destabilizing UA with refugees from warzones. Peak number was about 3.5 milion. Now it's around 2. No wonder you people hatw them. Once again they helped made russia look stupid.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    posted without comment

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What makes you think it's the brass and not the individual soldiers?

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was getting Soledar operationally encircled (which will in turn provoke the encirclement of Bakhmut from the north) part of his master plan?

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