Why is the russian state so inept when it comes to internal security? 3000 wagner fighters made monke flee Moscow and insurgents regularly cross the border now. Shouldn't they have an iron grip on this shit?
Why is the russian state so inept when it comes to internal security?
They literally don't care. They are intentionally doing the bare minimum to handle the cross border raids since they know that the insurgents can't do shit or hold territory. The whole thing is a bait trying to get Russia to shift men to counter it and the Russians are NOT taking the bait. As such, in this situation, the Russians are making the right move.
It makes sense if you realize they don't care about the lives of their citizens or soldiers. They lose 500+ a day at the front, what's 20 more inside Russia?
As such, Ukraine should call Russia's bluff and just invade and occupy these aresa.
Considering the FORL has something like 4 battalions now and the RDK is constantly getting a stream of recruits they may be able to hold territory eventually
>As such, Ukraine should call Russia's bluff and just invade and occupy these aresa.
Zelensky suggested this but got told no
>Zelensky suggested this but got told no
Yes, and this is the ugly compromize: only use Russian forces to do it, which severley limits what you can do. The raids seem utterly pointless and actually a waste of resources.
How many russian insurgents would it take to actually hold significant parts of belgorod or some of the other western russian oblasts
50,000
Why not just drive 500m in until you're past a couple houses and start digging? This
should be capable of holding some small line in perpetuity
How in any reality would you need 50,000 people when russia has commited everything to ukraine?
they have plenty of security troops like Rosgvardia left in the country to protect Putin and his friends from the Russian civilians on the off chance that they actually tried to revolt (they won't as they have no drive, but Putin is paranoid)
>50,000
How many soldiers are on a Russian airbase?
What would it take for the FORL to drive up to Pskov and take it over long enough to destroy all the aircraft and then evacuate to Estonia or something?
>They lose 500+ a day at the front, what's 20 more inside Russia?
Half dozen planes in airbase cost quite a bit of money. Replacing it might mean delaying getting new yacht for defense minister.
>Replacing it might mean delaying getting new yacht for defense minister.
Or worse, less rare exotic wood.
anon, those areas have russians in them, conquering them puts you at a loss.
Why? Doesnt Ukraine have cube tech?
>As such, Ukraine should call Russia's bluff and just invade and occupy these aresa.
they might sabotage their international support especially given how many retarded boomers buy into the r*ssian propaganda, if they do this they gotta push the whole insurgent/rebel angle and get troops hidden among them
>As such, Ukraine should call Russia's bluff and just invade and occupy these aresa.
And then what?
They need to take quite a huge chunk of Russia if they want to trade it in a peace deal and at the same time they got a lot riding on the image of being "the good guy that just defend themselves". I'm not sure all people in the west will be happy to see Ukraine properly invade Russia, even if in any other context it would be perfectly justified.
Here's a dirty secret of the war. You know Russia's logic of "we need to demiliteralize Ukraine in order to feel safe?" Yeah it goes both ways. Until you hit the caususes or urals it's all just a straight flat plain. Realistically the whole country should have been North to South, with the Urals as the hard geographic border.
So for Ukraine to feel safe longterm they need to de-militerize the Russian border regions. Russia will not do that willingly.
We may be ending up on "people's republic" separtist movement pushed by the Russian crazies.
>HOMO - basically a group of glorified meat-headed thugs in riot gear whose sole job is to beat the shit out of protesters
>Rosgvardia - commanded by Putin's fetal-alcohol-syndrome-afflicted sparring partner
>FSB - so intertwined with the Russian Mafia at this point that it's hard to tell who's on top and who's on the bottom
>As such, Ukraine should call Russia's bluff and just invade and occupy these aresa.
If this weren't a post-1945 world, you might have a point, but having Ukrainian troops invade and occupy their territory would be the one instance where Russia could deploy nuclear weapons and be allowed to get away with it on the basis of acting in self-defense.
>millions of brown people cross the southern border unopposed every year
Jurisdictional issues, lack of political will to take drastic action (i.e. militarizing the border), and the US-Mexico border is simply too long to effectively police.
>dozens of mass shooting happen every year
Mass shooters, at least the somewhat intelligent ones, are generally shut-ins who avoid human contact so they're usually "under the radar" (i.e. they have not said or done anything to attract the attention of law enforcement). Untreated mental illness is also a substantial factor.
>a few arabs managed to fly several planes into the most powerful city on earth and collapse 2 skyscrapers
CIA, Mossad, Illuminati, Trilateral Commission, Saudis, Bush family did it obviously 😛
This is one of those ideas that seem genius at first, but after it backfires massively everyone will say "that wa so stupid!"
Invading russia would be geopolitical mistake. It would play into cards of kremlin, and weaken wester support.
In turn, you don't get much. It's not like putin will hand back crimea for some fields in Belgorod or whatever is that shithole named.
It's designed to clamp down on problematic unarmed citizens not armoured columns
because the coup was fake
“I have no way to defend my borders but to extend them.”
>invades neighbors to extend borders
>have a shitload more pissed off people within new borders
>another insurgency happens
>surprised_Pikachevsky.jpg
Every single soldier or piece of hardware kept in Russia is one not holding the line in Ukraine, and they're stretched thin enough on the front as it is; they're not reinforcing the border because that's exactly what Ukraine is trying to bait them into doing.
>Russian state
>Competent
yeah
But really, all the Russian state is good at (for a given value of good) is repression. Used to be competent in terms of subversion, but they can barely convince their own nowadays. Even Russians see state television as entertainment rather than a source of news.
Where do you think they went? Putin has been pushing them out since 2006.
Miss this bro like you wouldn't believe
Why did they kill him again
>The investigation of the above-mentioned murder of a Tajik and a Dagestanian gradually led to Maxim Martsinkevich, who was at that time (2020) serving his fourth prison sentence. Partners in crime pointed at him, he was interrogated and probably tortured. He confessed of participating in a series of murders motivated by racist ideology. According to the investigation, the victims were several men of non-Slavic appearance (mostly Central Asian migrant workers) and a Russian prostitute. Martsinkevich testified against other participants of the murders and led the investigators to some of the victims' bodies.[23] Eventually, despite all the confessions made by Martsinkevich and others, the investigation against him was closed in the beginning of 2023 at his father's request, due to the death of the suspect.[24]
real fuckin winner.
A bunch of them are members of the Russian Volunteer Corps, Freedom of Russia Legion, and other pro-Ukrainian paramilitary groups now.
t. subscribed to their Telegram channels
why don't these guys just go take over transnistria and kalinigrad?
plausible and it would piss of the russians massively.
>Be mobik-aged male
>Riotpolice frens got slaughtered in Kyiv
>Thought I cheated fate, safe from SMO here in Moscow
>Command just made me the speedbump for Wagner's tanks.
No idea, but those few hours of escalating panic and despair (especially from slavs, who didn't know they had any left) before the mercs pussied out? Delicious.
>No idea, but those few hours of escalating panic and despair (especially from slavs, who didn't know they had any left) before the mercs pussied out? Delicious.
ziggers here & russians at home were cheering wagner on lol there was no despair. despair was prigo being swatted out of the sky and the 4 hours of cope "well maybe he was in the other plane"
You're correct, I meant the despair from the state security apparatus and assorted bootlickers and MoD-ziggers and so on. The ones who knew Wagner's turnabout was their loss, not the lol-none-of-my-business bystanders and especially not those people who set aside the typical coat of apathy and cynicism to cheer.
>escalating panic and despair
These guys have serious balls to stand up to the Kremlin regime, a global nuclear superpower, which they are a part of moreso than Putin and his oligarch friends.
These rebel groups are absolutely justified in their duty as protectors of their people to fight against the forced mobilization and other crimes against the Russian people.
With Prigozhin dead, there is a vacuum for a leader of the armed opposition against Putin within Russia, and there is an abundance of separate rebel groups that can be united under a single leadership.
The insurgent groups are mostly empowered by two things: Arms and organization.
Their political and martial leverage depends on their pooled resources and numbers, so their success depends on successfully organizing into an increasingly powerful armed front against the state.
As various, mixed rebel groups that are far weaker. United as a single armed front, with strong leadership, they stand a chance to depose Putin and install a new government on behalf of the Russian people. Freedom through victorious revolution, in order words.
>These guys have serious balls to stand up to the Kremlin regime, a global nuclear superpower, which they are a part of moreso than Putin and his oligarch friends.
Foreign powers that threaten nuclear superpowers are threatened by a nuclear response, which is why we have these proxy wars.
However, when such a regime is threatened from within, by revolt, it cannot use the same means of conventional war that it uses to fight other nation states or even to suppress insurgencies in foreign countries.
>As various, mixed rebel groups they* are far weaker. United as a single armed front, with strong leadership, they stand a chance to depose Putin and install a new government on behalf of the Russian people. Freedom through victorious revolution, in other* words.
If it is the state military deposing the government, it is a coup. A coup is far less popular and can result in instability and authoritarian rule.
However, a popular revolt involves a large number of people, public support, and uniting anti-government groups under a single banner. An armed insurrection such as this can be described as a revolution.
I believe that retreating deep into the country and giving up huge chunks of land to the enemy is their go-to tactic, see Napoleonic wars, WWII, and their own civil war too. The "iron grip" is probably not a part of their defensive doctrine outside of propaganda.
why is the united states so inept when it comes to internal security?
>millions of brown people cross the southern border unopposed every year
>dozens of mass shooting happen every year
>a few arabs managed to fly several planes into the most powerful city on earth and collapse 2 skyscrapers
honestly its very confusing
>muh whataboutism
the typical slavmoron behavior of deflection and lying like a filthy garden gnome
But he is right. There are hundred thoushands of illegal people crossing into usa. Usa cant handle it
I don't know but I'm looking forward to their strategic bombers going completely extinct and the resulting shitstorm from losing a chunk of their nuclear trident.